User talk:Marchjuly/Archives/2020/September

Why delete picture of Castro?

Good evening, Marchjuly. I don't understand the alert you sent me in reference to the Castro with hat picture. It was taken by a Castro family member and has been in my possession for several years. Also the Army Barracks picture was from a book published in 1911. The book has been in the Castro family possession and Castro has written on several of its pictures, as you can see by his writing on the Army Barracks picture in the draft. To whom do I write for permission? A final question: Wikipedia editors are improving my draft for which I am grateful, but where can I see a history of these changes? I appreciate your guidelines.Oscar Waldoosty (talk) 02:33, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Possessing a copy of a photo (even the original copy) doesn’t make you the copyright holder. Generally, it’s the person who takes a photo who owns the copyright over it; so, whoever took those original photos is going to be assumed to be the copyright holder unless they’ve transferred copyright ownership to someone else.

What you did was essentially COM:2D copying which means the copyright of the original photo is what matters. If you know who took the original photos (i.e. their en:provenance), then follow the instructions given at COM:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder. Even if you don’t know who took the photos, then you still can’t automatically assume they aren’t protected by copyright per COM:Anonymous. There might other reasons why these photos were never protected by copyright or are no longer protected by copyright as explained in COM:HIRTLE, but that can’t be determined without knowing more specific information about the photos. Can you find out more details about the original sources of the photos?

You can find out who has edited any Wikipedia or Commons page by looking at the page’s history.

Since you’ve stated above that you received the photos from Castro’s family, it sounds like you have an en:WP:APPARENTCOI. Do you have any person or professional connection to Castro or anyone representing him or his family? If you do, you should read through en:WP:COI and make sure you understand relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines related to COI editing.

Finally, Commons and Wikipedia are separate projects which have their own respective policies and guidelines. Commons is really only concerned with the way the files it host are licensed; it’s not really concerned with how the files are being used. Wikipedia, however, is concerned with both licensing and usage as well as many other things. Since you uploaded the files to Commons, you’re going to need to resolve your image licensing issues here on Commons; however, any problems you’re having with the draft is going to need to be resolved on Wikipedia. — Marchjuly (talk) 03:10, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the links in reference to the copyright of my father's photo. I know it did not come from a photographer's studio, as the first image I had did, but was taken by my brother heavens knows exactly when. It is a nice image because it shows him in typical Manabitan garb. (I mean the hat). Oscar Waldoosty (talk) 23:24, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, again. Now I know. And I can thank the reviewers personally. Great option the edit history offers! Oscar Waldoosty (talk) 23:24, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, he is my father. I will read through the Conflict of Interest links you give. I am surprised by this because the person, also a Wikipedian, who encouraged me to write an article on Wikipedia never mentioned this aspect although she knew of the relationship. My biggest concern was notability. I was flattered when reviewer Hoary used the word "fascinating," and in many respects his life was just that. Oscar Waldoosty (talk) 23:24, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, Marchjuly. I am following the discussion on the copyright issues of El Iris jpg at the Village Pump. I am grateful for the input the various editors have given. Oscar Waldoosty (talk) 23:24, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying where the file came from Oscar Waldoosty. If your brother took the photo, then technically he, not you, is going to be considered the copyright holder, and thus only he can release it under a free license. If your brother is still living, he can resolve things by sending his COM:CONSENT to Wikimedia OTRS as explained in COM:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder; if your brother has died, then the copyright of the photo probably passed along to his heirs. In such cases, a photo can sometimes be licensed as {{PD-heirs}}. Whether that is applicable in such a case is probably a good question for you to ask at COM:VPC.

Since this sounds like a personal photo, the copyright holder needs to understand that once you upload a photo to Commons under a free license, there's no way to take things back per COM:LRV. One important thing to understand about Commons is that even though the copyright holder isn't transferring their copyright ownership to anyone else, they are making readily available a freely licensed version of their work for others to use for any purpose (including commerical purposes) and there's not a lot the copyright holder can do to stop others from downloading their work from Commons and using it. As long as the person re-using the file does so in accordance with the terms of the fle's license, the copyright holder can't really stop them from reusing their work. So, bascially the copyright holder is giving everyone in the world advance permission to download their work and re-use for any purpose. If that's sound like something that the copyright holder is unwilling to do, they shouldn't upload their work to Commons.

Finally, please don't insert your replies into the posts of others "point-by-point" like you did here; Wikipedia and Commons talk pages are set up slightly differently than most online forums and inserting comments in such a way just creates more problems than it's worth. There are ways to do so but they involve using templates than are tricky to use. In the worst case scenario, inserting comments like you did might accidentally change the post of another editor or change its meaning is some way. The best thing to do is simply add you response to a post below the other persons as explained in en:Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanations, Marchjuly (talk), as well as the useful links and advice. Little by little I'm going through these issues. Sorry for the point-by-point. I didn't know. Oscar Waldoosty (talk) 01:57, 16 September 2020 (UTC)