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Copyright status: File:Baalbaki.jpg

Hello JuTa

Thank you for your message the file Baalbaki.jpg.

I'm aware of the problem, but 1. that's the first file I upload, so I'm clusmy... :-( 2. I download the file from this page http://www.emaratalyoum.com/life/culture/2012-09-26-1.514460 BUT (again...) 2.1. This pic is already on https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A3%D9%86%D8%A7_%D8%A3%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%A7 which is an Arabic page about the novel "I'm living" (I can read Arabic). 2.2. I've tried to upload the pic directly from the French page https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le%C3%AFla_Baalbaki, through the tool "insert media". But I couldn't find the pic, using different spelling of "Baalbaki", either in Latin or Arabic alphabet. 2.3. That's why I took the same path which is on the Arabic page, and which gives the address of emaratalyoum.com. But I knew it was not really satisfying.

So I'm very glad that you've got in touch with me, hoping that you can help me.

I've also thought I could print the pic and take a picture of it, since it's the cover of the book, and I guess that it's more or less ok to use my own picture of a cover of a book??

If there's no solution, I know that the picture will be deleted... One more thing: I've my own copy of the book in arabic, unfortunately, the cover is different and doesn't have a picture of the author (which is the case with the pic I've uploaded).

Best regards Dawamne — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawamne (talk • contribs) 19:27, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, everything in the internet is by default "all rights reserved" and not allowed to copy except otherwise stated. So: We cannot use that image on commons because its just a copyright violation. regards --JuTa 00:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

I did not notice this was up for deletion but don't know exactly what it was. Several Irish government logos or crests are {{PD-IrishGov}}, {{PD-textlogo}} or old enough, so if you can temporarily undelete it, I'll see if I can fix it. Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 09:46, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

It was uploaded by someone else with license {{Copyrighted free use}} and {{OTRS pending}} at 26.12.2017. It showed a (the?) irish harp with some gaelic and english text beside. The OTRS-period went over today, so I removed it. --JuTa 11:26, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks but that does not help me. If I can't see it then I can't possibly find a solution. I suspect that {{Copyrighted free use}} was not correct in the first place. Will you please temporarily undelete it, or if there was an online source, let me know what that is. Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 10:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ww2censor, I checked it now in more detail. The problem of the missing source was that the source link wasnt working because https: is not working with theyr webpage, but http: is. I corrected that now. I changed the license as well, because the harp seems to fit into {{PD-IrishGov}} and the rest is {{PD-textlogo}}. OTRS release is not required in that case. Pls. have a second look. regards --JuTa 18:51, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Brilliant. That pretty much what i would have done. The Harp has long been used an the symbol of the Irish government and the text is just that, plain text. Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 20:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

wikidata person

Hello JuTa! Do you know why the sorting is missing for example in Category:Josef Rainer? Is this a mistake of the wikidata element, or does one have to insert DEFAULTSORT manually? --GT1976 (talk) 06:40, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

I guess you have to add it manualy. If you have people with double/triple given/surname the template cannot decide which belongs to the given and which t the surname. --JuTa 07:18, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Tomasz Klenczar

Hi, wonder what was the reason you have deleted a picture taken by my grandfather (died 1938 -- 80 years ago), showing his friend mr. Klenczar and his wife. Fugiel (talk) 10:55, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Because you claimed {{Own}} on the file description page. You didn't created that image yourself. Where did you got it from? --JuTa 12:20, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
it was taken by my grandfather 85 years ago. He died 80 years ago. I own it because I am his grandson. Fugiel (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
OK, the file is back. I fixed the source, date and license. regards --JuTa 16:16, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Fugiel (talk) 01:49, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Alexander Alexeyevich Voznesensky.jpg.

Hallo Jutta,

Danke fuer die Meldung wegen des Bildes von Alexander Voznesensky das ich in Wikicommons aufgeladen habe.

Ich glaube dass dies das einzige Bild von A.A.Voznesensky ist, das immer noch existiert (sicherlich das einzige im Internet), weil seinen gesammten Nachlass, nach seiner Hinrichtung 1949 zerstoert wurde.

Das Bild stammt von der folgenden Webseite, die nur in der Russischen Sprache erscheint. http://www.russia.edu.ru/edu/description/history_edu/983/#rsf und erscheint allein unter folgendem URL: http://www.russia.edu.ru/images/material-images//ministr/image046.jpg

The following Copyright statement appears at the foot of the above page: (Google Chrome translation)

Any use of materials of this site must include the ACTIVE HYPERLINK All materials are protected by the law of the copyright HTML-code of the link: <a href=" http://www.russia.edu.ru/edu/description/history_edu/983/#rsf "> All the ministers of education in Russia </a>

Does this mean that I can insert a link to this picture directly from the Wikipedia page? or must a copy of every image in Wikipedia first be uploaded to Wiki Commons?

The owner does not seem to forbid re-use of the picture but requires users to:

  • Provide a hyperlink to the original file
  • Credit the copyright owner

The site does have pages in English and other languages which contain the following basic copyright statement: © 2006-2013 The Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation

The Russian language pages, however, (when translated by Google Chrome) contain an additional statement: © 2006-2013 The Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation When using the site's materials, a reference to "Russian education for foreign citizens" and notification of an administrator are required. What would you advise in this case?

Regards, John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurlzzz (talk • contribs) 19:25, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Hallo Hurlzzz. Ja, aber der Fotograf hat immer noch das Urheberrecht an diesem Bild, auch wenn er auf der Webseite nicht genannt ist. Du hattest das Bild völlig ohne Lizenzbaustein hochgeladen. So wie ich Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory#Russia_and_former_Soviet_Union interpretiere gibt es für dieses Foto auch keine legale Lizenz ohne Zustimmung des Urhebers. Es wurde, ncacj Deinen Angaben 1947 aufgenommen. Damit ist es mehr als wahrscheinlich, dass der Fotograf 1948 (heute minus 70 Jahre) noch lebte und somit seine Erben weiterhin das Recht an diesem Bild besitzen. Gruß --JuTa 19:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Photo Deletion

I received a notification that a photo would be deleted if proper permissions weren’t provided. The owner of the photos submitted written permission, tying their works to the specific page, and acknowledging that they photo would be open for use on any format or website. The letter also contained the authors contact info and websites. The letter was submitted because that’s what Ibwas told was required, but yet the photo was still deleted. The photo was on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_By_Brick_(band) and the photo name was BxB_Sound_Of_Revolution.jpg. What do I have to do further in order to restore it? Thanks in advance. Andianajones (talk) 02:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Andianajones, the copyright holder has to send an email to the commons support team as documented on Commons:OTRS. They can do it now even it has been deleted. If everything checks out OK, it will be undeleted. regards. --JuTa 08:22, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

A letter was sent before the photo was deleted. Do you know roughly how long it may be before the photo is restored? I don’t mean to be a bother, but I’m somewhat new to this. Andianajones (talk) 01:23, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The current backlog is 7 days. --JuTa 01:40, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Please undelete

Thanks! Evrik (talk) 17:47, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done --JuTa 17:49, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Deletion tag - Boissonnas, Un Vaincu

Hello. I have put a tag yesterday that a mail from the copyright holder has been sent to OTRS. Cannot you just wait for the OTRS bureaucrats to process this before putting deletion tags? Thanks for explaining why this can not wait to get deleted. There are days of files in the OTRS queue. Hektor (talk) 14:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hektor. You forgot to add a license template - see Commons:Licensing and Commons:Copyright tags. Under which license does the copyright holder likes to publish this work? If you don't know, please ask him and add the corresponding license template. Otherwise the file will get deleted after about one week. Any file on commons, even with an {{OTRS pending}} tag, needs a valid license template, or will lead to deletion. regards. --JuTa 14:27, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Well you can put a licence template but since it has not been validated by the OTRS bureaucrats it is quite worthless. I added a licence template which corresponds to the email from the copyright holder (he wrote Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International). That being said I think that the licence plate should be put by the OTRS bureaucrats and not by me and that the OTRS template should freeze deletion until decision by them. That would be a cleaner process. Hektor (talk) 14:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Jurgen (or Jürgen? :), Guten Morgen. Nikita Al is not a given name. Al stands for Alekseevich (please check spelling), which is a surname. Regards. --E4024 (talk) 08:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I moved Category:Nikita Al. Tatischev to Category:Nikita Alekseevich Tatischev now and fixed the given names cat. regards --JuTa 12:11, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi again

Hi again. Can you please move Category:Fethi Okyar to Category:Ali Fethi Okyar? As you may see in the page Ali Fethi Okyar and the relevant WP articles, the complete -and generally preferred- name is Ali Fethi Okyar. User:Takabeg must have used some personal preference to make the latter an RD for the former. Danke. --E4024 (talk) 13:44, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done. --JuTa 17:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

PeopleByName

Hello! I don't understand what's wrong with PeopleByName? (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Ali_Aref_Bourhan&type=revision&diff=292709530&oldid=292564756&diffmode=source) I find this macro very useful for people categories. vip (talk) 21:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, this template should be substed - see Template:People by name - which I did with my edit. --JuTa 10:21, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
OK thanks. I created a lot of categories without substitution. How do I find them easily to fix them? vip (talk) 14:50, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Look here. regards --JuTa 17:14, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! :) vip (talk) 21:51, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi JuTa, I'm using a lot but never substed it. I think that it is a good idea to add the template together with {{Wikidata person}} which take the info from Wikidata. It can include "People of ...(country) by name", Menqwomen of ...(country) by name. -- Geagea (talk) 12:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I think WikidatePerson does that allready. --JuTa 13:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
I award this to you for your diligence especially on deleting duplicate files and making redirects from deleted titles afterward. Accept it, please.  samee  .com  16:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Thx :) --JuTa 17:39, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Muchas gracias a ti JuTa, por tu ayuda y paciencia. Quim Abella (talk) 18:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Thx again :) --JuTa 19:11, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi JuTa, I'm wondering how / why this happened. When I look at the history it is as if you have created a new file with a redirect on it. Is that what you meant to do? If there were duplicate images I need to re-categorise File:Classic 1920's PACKARD (10340581246).jpg which is a very bad name (same as a cat which can only have subcats) in any case and the old name you have re-direccted from is the right name. Very puzzled, Eddaido (talk) 00:47, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, normaly I keep the older File and duplicate the newer. Anyhow this was done the other way arround. I now switched it. regards --JuTa 07:21, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks, Kind regards, Eddaido (talk) 07:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

JuTa, one of the most hard-working (perhaps No 1) admins here; "Hoca" is not a given name. It is a title of respect for "artists", "academicians/educators", and "religious leaders". In the first case it is the equivalent of "Master". His given name is "Ali Rıza", a common composite name in Turkish (Atatürk's father was also an Ali Rıza Efendi). As the painter died before the surname law of 1934, he did not reach to have a surname. He was known as "Hoca" Ali Rıza Efendi. Viele Gruesse. --E4024 (talk) 08:15, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thx for the note. I think I fixed it now. --JuTa 09:00, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Turkish practice

Hi. As you're interested in names and surnames, just some extra info (maybe repeated but useful). In Turkey we passed the Surname Law in 1934; we can say that more or less people have surnames since 1935. Before that, men and unmarried women used their father's name for distinguishing themselves from other people with the same name. (Married women -generally- used the name of the husband, but some continued to use the father's name.) Look at a good example I just categorized: Category:Hakkı Said Tez. This gentleman was born as "Hakkı". He used his father's (Said Bey) name as a surname, being known as "Hakkı Said" until having a proper surname after 1934. Now his name is Hakkı Said TEZ. (Said, his father's name -which was used as if it were a surname before- now became a "second" name. :) Interesting, right? Look at some famous Turkish women of the late Ottoman - early Turkish Republic era. They all have a female (hers) and a male (father's) name, like: Keriman Halis or Feriha Tevfik. Only taking your time with unnecessary info; but in good faith. :) --E4024 (talk) 12:53, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, where can I see this file page? There was my or author description, I don't remember now. Maybe better could be redirection in opposite way (I have uploaded a set of same named photos) - but keeping all "File:Gdańsk czerwiec 2013 (4).JPG" categories, of course? However, why it's possible to upload the same file if Flickr2Commons calculate CRC or so and check Commons before upload? Grüße --Jasc PL (talk) 20:25, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, the only dofference was the description, which I now copied over and that the "kept" file had more categories. regards --JuTa 22:07, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks @JuTa, I'v seen all. __HIDDENCAT__ - great solution, I need that, but had no idea how to hide cats that should be hidden. Sorry, one more problem with redirection (File:Raspberry Pi 2 Model B 1G (16240037330).png): I understand that newer file must be redirection to older, but it's important - not only for me, to have most informative file names - "Raspberry Pi 2 Model B 1G" (G may be subversion sign or so) and all valuable information in the descriptions fields. --Jasc PL (talk) 23:56, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Herzlichen Dank

Liebe JuTa, herzlichen Dank für die Hilfe beim Anlegen der Kategorie Gabriele Evertz. Ich wusste nicht, dass ich dort Kategorien eintragen muss. Werde mir das notieren und hoffentlich diesen Fehler nicht mehr machen. Frohe Ostern, --Gyanda (talk) 10:20, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Aber immer gerne doch. :) --JuTa 10:21, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Are you kidding? I am not a painter, the author is obviously what staed in the filename and categories, i just took the picture. Upload wizard doesn't allow me to specify more in details, please ask for an update of it if you think it is a problem. thank you --Sailko (talk) 20:21, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

BTW the crop is from another picture of mine, it is bidimensional item, so there is no problem. --Sailko (talk) 20:23, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm not kidding, that not your work. You cannot license it as CC. I'll start a regular DR. regards. --JuTa 21:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

File:Hertha_Jugl-Jennewein_vor_der_Staffelei.jpg

Hallo JuTa. Was kann ich tun, wenn eine Freigabe eines Bildes vom OTRS-Team nicht abgearbeitet wird und es dann von dir gelöscht wird? Siehe: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Hertha_Jugl-Jennewein_vor_der_Staffelei.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1 Danke für deine Antwort. (Ich habe das Mail der Rechteinhaberin, das sie an die OTRS-Adresse gesendet hatte, bereits ein zweites Mal an die OTRS-Adresse geschickt.) --Hadi (talk) 07:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Hallo Hadi, frag auf Commons:OTRS noticeboard nach. Falls Du eine (automatische) Antwort bekommen hast, ist die Angabe der Ticket-Nummer(n) hilfreich. Gruß --JuTa 08:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Deleted photos on William Nathaniel Thomas Entry

Dear JuTa,

The photos that were deleted had been documented as public domain by virtue of their source of The United States Navy archives, a federal United States public domain source. Would you please restore the photographs in the next 48 hours, or we can re-insert them unless you need to release them so that we might do this. Thank you for your assistance. Richard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eaward24 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, we need a more detailed source than the plain text USNA Archives. Where did you got the images from. A Website? Then we need the URLs where they are depicted. A Book? We would need the title, author, ISBN, Page... regards --JuTa 21:45, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


Dear Ju Ta, I am the grandson of Chaplain Thomas and all of the original photographs are in my possession and were provided to my grandfather by the U.S. Navy photographic division in the 1940's. At the time these photos were taken he was a full time federal employee of the Chaplain Corps of the United States Navy. Thank you in advance for your assistance in reviewing these matters and look forward to your restoring the photographs unless we need to restore them ourselves. Richard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eaward24 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I dont like to decide this case alone. I copied it to Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests#Deleted photos on William Nathaniel Thomas Entry. Please add other comments there if you have some. regards --JuTa 19:18, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Dear JuTa, Hello again. Read Clindberg comments just now and we would like to restore the 4 photos that you questioned all of which are in the public domain. I didn't know if you had done it already, but it looks like it needs to be done. If you do it that is appreciated or if we have to do it at our end let us know. You might find Chaplain Thomas's history interesting. I have been working with the United States Naval Academy on his legacy here in Annapolis and they are aware of all that we are doing. Thanks again. Richard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eaward24 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Restoring category

Hi JuTa! Can you please restore Category:F-WTDH (aircraft)? Many thanks -- Meisam (talk) 11:18, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done --JuTa 11:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Vielen Dank, danke schön! -- Meisam (talk) 14:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

hey - when you redirect, incorporate the better metadata; also it was not a duplicate at upload, i.e. you should be redirecting the other way. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 02:14, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey, File:Gian Federico Madruzzo.jpg is the older original upload - so I kept that. But I now copied the other fileds and cats over. --JuTa 03:46, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Restore file

hy, administrator JuTa, I am writing to ask you if, by courtesy, you could restore these files which are the coats of arms of a noble and ancient Roman family

--82.50.35.254 19:12, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Please raise a Commons:Undeletion request. --JuTa 23:14, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, JuTa, I was wondering if you could restore the Category:César Valverde Vega, since there is an article on this artist, both in English and Spanish. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 13:11, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done. --JuTa 15:50, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Restoring of a new category

Hi, JuTa! Why you removed Category:People of Moscow Power Engineering Institute? I want to create this subcategory of Category:People of Moscow and use it for some categories of scientists working in this institute. --Diademodon (talk) 13:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Because it wasn't existing and Mr. Koreckii its only entry. Now you created it and we have much more entries, which is fine. --JuTa 15:43, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Von mir von Flickr übertragene Bilder mit dem Präfix Geranium

Hallo JuTa

Hast du eine Ahnung, was da schief gelaufen ist? Vielen Dank für deine Hilfe.

mfG Catfisheye (talk) 13:54, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Du hast sie irgendwie 2x übertragen. Ich arbeite Special:ListDuplicatedFiles ab, und dort sind/waren einige davon. Wie das passiert ist? Keine Ahnung. 2x frickr2commons angestoßen? --JuTa 13:57, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Hallo, zu lange und zu viele uploads mit Flickr2commons her, als das ich mich konkret an den Ablauf erinnere. Auf jeden Fall vielen Dank. ich hoffe, das kommt nicht mehr vor. Liebe Grüße Catfisheye (talk) 07:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Please restore this file. A newer permission can be found at Ticket:2018031310010336. Fidelecourt (talk) 15:17, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard or Commons:Undeletion requests. regards. --JuTa 15:19, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

File:Humanoid pylons for the high-voltage power lines, drawing Elena Paroucheva.jpg

Bonjour, je voudrais vous informer sur la réception de votre mail avec le tiquet: [Ticket#: 2018032610010973]. Puisque vous avez reçu mon autorisation, pourriez-vous enlever la demande de suppression et indiquer sur la page que cet image es libre à l'utilisation suite à l'autorisation de l'auteur? Merci de votre contribution! Elena Paroucheva — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paroucheva (talk • contribs) 00:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

As I have no access to those mails please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard for this case. Thx. --JuTa 00:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

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File restoration

Hi, File:Rajah Humabon (2017).jpg should be restored since it actually isn't/wasn't a duplicate. yours --Jotzet (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done --JuTa 16:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi

Remember this? The same IP is active again and vandalizing Commons:Deletion requests/File:Müslüm Aslan Helbest û Niviskarî.jpg. Viele Gruesse. --E4024 (talk) 08:38, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Actualy it was a logged in user. I warned him. --JuTa 08:47, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Fotos André Beyer

Hallo JuTa, die Fotos von André Beyer wurden von Dir gelöscht. Es liegt jedoch eine ausdrückliche schriftliche Genehmigung des Rechteinhabers André Beyer der Wikipedia vor. Schöne Grüße --NellsPort (talk) 05:51, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Nunja, Du hattest die Bilder als eigenes Werk hochgaladen. Und Du hast Sie nun mal nicht geschossen. Wenn Herr Beyer eine Freigabeerklärung an das Commons Support team verschickt hat, frag bitte auf Commons:OTRS noticeboard nach. Gruß --JuTa 07:35, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Du scheinst gerne Fotos zu löschen? Der Weg wäre beispielsweise, mal denjenigen zu fragen, der sie eingestellt hat? Wiederum ein Foto gelöscht: Christian Rottenegger. Vielleicht fragst Du da auch mal nach? Derjenige, der das Foto eingestellt hat, ist Christian Rottenegger selbst. Ich denke jetzt über eine VM nach. --NellsPort (talk) 06:17, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

File:MarcoCharpentier3R.jpg

Hello, Can you please elaborate about the reasons why you deleted File:MarcoCharpentier3R.jpg with the comment "no permission" although it actually had a permission and it was even successfully reviewed by FlickreviewR 2 ? Thanks. -- Asclepias (talk) 12:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I suspected flickrwashing, cause author and license were wrong too. Its back now. --JuTa 13:30, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Copyright law misunderstanding with Mongolia's photos

At this link probably you or someone else has entered the misunderstanding about copyright law of Mongolia: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Theaters_in_Mongolia ; Plus the COM:FOP#Mongolia link in the red frame says only expired version of the law plus the original law link is dead! But I have found the 2006 law version here that the whole warning thing is incorrect. In that 2006 version please do search function of "1948" and there is no any statute regarding 1948. Thank you. Orgio89 (talk) 11:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Orgio89, I would recommend to talk about this on Commons talk:Freedom of panorama. There is a wider audiance of competent users. --JuTa 16:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, JuTa. I repeated my post there thank you for letting me know that. And for my uploaded Drama posters I have sent the owners permission letter to the Commons 24 hours ago and the poster deletion notice is still on the images. I wondering why they are or you are not removing the deletion notice? like here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Drama_posters_of_Mongolia_5.jpg Thank you. Orgio89 (talk) 03:30, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Please indicate that the mails has been sent by adding {{subst:OP}} to the file decription pages. But I doubt that the museum is the copyright owner of the posters. Thats more likely the companies which produced the movies. regards --JuTa 04:18, 26 April 2018 (UTC)a

Chiesa di San Carlo Borromeo (Rovereto)

Chiedo scusa se scrivo in italiano, ma in altre lingue sarei impreciso e ridicolo. Ho creato questa voce su it.wiki e poi ho fatto confusione tra Galleria e Categoria, così il collegamento su commons dalla voce non funzionava ed ho tentato di sistemarlo. Ancora non so gestire Galleria e Categoria, e mi spiace se ho creato distubo o se ho fatto danni. Non era mia intenzione. Grazie del tuo intervento. Buon lavoro.--Lungoleno (talk) 13:36, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

You are very welcome. --JuTa 15:07, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

MGs

Something seems to be going wrong here. If you want to delete a category I created can you let me know? I expect that some party has re-categorised images to leave vacant the cat you want to remove. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 07:44, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, the images you added now to the cat were never in before. I'm working on User:Achim55/Unused categories and there are a lot of ever or for a long time empty categories which should get deleted. --JuTa 07:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I expect it is because the images that were there have been deleted or something. You have just deleted something else after I have specifically asked if you would tell me before you do it. I now have NO Clues as to why it was created. I Do Not create blank categories. If I know before you do it I can view the history. Does That Translate? OK? Eddaido (talk) 10:03, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
I delete dozends or even hundreds of empty cats every day, and I don't plan to ask the uploaders before, sorry. --JuTa 11:02, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Aleksandr Sotnik

Guten Tag! Sie haben die Bilddateien von Aleksandr Sotnik am 25. April gelöscht. Ich habe die Erlaubnis von Alexander Sotnik, seine Bilder und seinen Fernsehkanal-Logo auf wikicommons hochzuladen. Vielleicht können Sie die Dateien wiederherstellen. Vielen Dank und viel Erfolg! Marrx Marrx Sasha Sotnik <sashasotnik@gmail.com> Здравствуйте, Маргус. Вы можете взять любую из фотографий, опубликованных на моей странице в Фейсбук. https://www.facebook.com/sasha.sotnik Спасибо за Ваш интерес к моей скромной персоне. С уважением. Александр Сотник. Marrx

Please ask him to send a releasing mail to the commons support team as documented at Commons:OTRS. --JuTa 19:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Deletion requests

Hi JuTa. Please delete these files:

File:Eldar Əzizov, Hacı Salayev, Musa Qasımlı Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG
File:Eldar Əzizov Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG
File:Hacı Salayev Sumqayıtın Tarixi Muzeyində.JPG

I am the author of the picture. I want to be deleted. Best regards, --►Cekli829 06:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

The requests will be closed likely one week after the 22. April by which ever admin. regards --JuTa 07:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
22 or 19? --►Cekli829 07:39, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
22 because your request was incomplete, which I completed by i.e listing it on a dayly deletion request page Commons:Deletion requests/2018/04/22. PS: I would keep them, because the given licenses are not revokeable. But I will not decide them. --JuTa 07:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
I take licenses. Delete it. Best regards, --►Cekli829 11:06, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi JuTa. A week ago. Please delete these files.--►Cekli829 10:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I dont think you wanna be me to decide the deletion requests, because I would keep the file. Lets wait for anothe admin. --JuTa 12:02, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Food

Curd Rice
Curd Rice

Hello! After the successful pilot program by Wikimedia India in 2015, Wiki Loves Food (WLF) is happening again in 2018 and this year, we are going International. To make this event a grand success, your direction is key. Please sign up as a volunteer or sign up on behalf of your affiliate here.--Abhinav619 (talk) 05:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, no interest. --JuTa 07:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Bitte um Bilderlöschen

Hallo JuTa, kannst du bitte folgende von mir hochgeladene Bilder löschen

Es sind alles Duplikate, die durch die App mehrfach hochgeladen wurden. Danke und Gruß --Z thomas 13:11, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


✓ Done. PS: Kennst Du die Vorlage {{Duplicate}} schon? --JuTa 13:57, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Danke. Nein die Vorlage war mir tatsächlich noch nicht bekannt. Viele Grüße--Z thomas 06:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Joachim Karl Martin Fait (cropped).jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Joachim_Karl_Martin_Fait_(cropped).jpg

Hi, you deleted the file. Maybe because I did something wrong with the license. The point is, that the portrait of my gradfather is a self-portrait. My grandfather died 15 years ago, but my grandmother (99 years old) is still alive. She permitted the use of the photo for Wikipedia. So maybe you could help me to find the right desicription in order to prevent deleting. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daclemmts (talk • contribs) 13:40, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Well then your grandmother should send a releasing mail to the commons support team as documented in Commons:OTRS. I hope it will be accepted by OTRS-stuff if she signes a letter with the required text and you scan this and forward it to OTRS. (In case she is not able or willing to send an email herself). --JuTa 13:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Mmexport1524139978980.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mmexport1524139978980.jpg Hi, you deleted the file. I was sorry about doing something wrong with the license. But I have sent the email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org at 20th, April. The ticket was [Ticket#2018042010005087]. Ten days passed, no reply. I am very puzzled if there was something wrong in the email? Please help me, thank you. —Cyclohexane233 (talk) 14:49, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I restsored the image and added {{OTRS pending}} to its description page. The OTRS process can last about 2 months because lack off volounters. If it takes too long please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard for your case. regards --JuTa 15:11, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Request to restore

Hi - I provided the necessary perms for this photo, which was entirely my creation: "File:Kellie Gerardi in FFD spacesuit.png" and submitted a link to show the CC attribution (https://kelliegerardi.com/photos/). Can you please restore those photos? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freespace23 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi User:Freespace23, that still looks a bit strange to me. The images on her webpage are released cc-by-sa-4.0, true, but they a not looking as selfies. So: She is normaly not copyright owner of them and cannot release them by any license. Only the real photographer can. If they are official NASA photos, {{PD-NASA}} might apply. Btw. you claimed own work for those images, which isn't true. I dont like to decide this case by my own, please raise a Commons:Undeletion request. PPS: You uploaded File:Kellie Gerardi, space suit, project possum.jpg and not File:Kellie Gerardi in FFD spacesuit.png, which shows the same image but was uploaded by User:Edit0r77 and also claimed as Edit0r77's own work. regards --JuTa 22:43, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi -- thanks for the response. Brand new to wiki so forgive the rookie work. Sorry for the confusion- I am Kellie Gerardi, and that was my website that I linked to. I created the images and retained full copyright. Both accounts were mine (I forgot the PW to Edit0r77 and ended up making a new account and trying to upload the file again once I realized there was no longer a photo on my page. Would appreciate any advice on how to resolve. The copyright was mine, combination of remote triggers and pulled video stills from my work -- solely my own. Thanks, Kellie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freespace23 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Freespace23. As I said: Please start a Commons:Undeletion request. You are not realy able to convince me (that you shot the images yourself) but perhaps another admin, who will then restore the image(s). regards --JuTa 07:10, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Category discussion warning

Twin people from the United States has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category.

In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!


- Alexis Jazz 01:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

臺鐵三姓橋車站啟用典禮.jpg

File:臺鐵三姓橋車站啟用典禮.jpg is the photo which is took by myself, not Hsinchu City Government's or Taiwan Railways Administration's official photo. So can I know why you deleted it? Thanks!克勞棣 (talk) 02:53, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Because it depicted a poster or similar, which is still in copyright - see Commons:Derivative works. regards. --JuTa 06:56, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi JuTa, about the "only admin" protection you made to Template:PD-USGov-NASA/pt can you change it to auto-confirmed users, please? Thanks, Hamilton Abreu (talk) 13:24, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

OK. --JuTa 13:56, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

This DR

Dear JuTa,

This DR was missed, I think. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:26, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Like a lot of others. Please be patient. --JuTa 02:16, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello JuTa, I don't understand the problem with license of the photo. It belongs to Ajuntament de Les Franqueses del Vallès and according to the Flickr details, it is in public domain. What license template should I use? Or should I use a license atributtion like {{Attribution-Caldes de Montbui}}?

Best regards! --Docosong (talk) 17:45, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, the public domain mark 1.0 is not accepted on Commons, because people can revoke it at any time of their wish. Commons only accepts non-revokeable licenses lasting "forever". regards --JuTa 17:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the information! --Docosong (talk) 18:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Bilder Mommer

Hallo JuTa,

sorry, dass ich mich jetzt erst melde, ich habe halt heute erst bemerkt, dass du einige Bilder aus dem Artikel Willy Mommer gelöscht hast, da angeblich keine Freigabe vorhanden war. Ich als derjenige, der diese Bilder hochgeladen hat, bin diesbezüglich auch nicht informiert worden.

Fakt ist jedoch, dass ich vor längerer Zeit mich an die Ausarbeitung des Artikels Willy Mommer beteiligte. Über Benutzer:Dolores18, die mir bekannt ist, bin ich an einigen Bildern gekommen, die aus ihrem Archivbestand sind. Diese habe ich für sie am 6. Februar (!) hochgeladen und ihr zugleich die Freigabeerklärung geschickt, die sie wiederum ein Tag später ordnungsgemäß an das OTRS-Team weitergeleitet hat! Eine Kopie ihres Mails an das support-Team liegt mir vor.

Da bis zum 7. April auf diesen Bildern noch keine Freigabe vermerkt wurde, schrieb ich AKA an und dieser versicherte mir, dass er die Priorität von "Normal" auf "Höher" gesetzt hat. Trotzdem sind die Bilder offensichtlich nicht freigegeben worden, obwohl alles rechtens gelaufen ist!

Deshalb verstehe ich die Verzögerung beim OTRS-Team insgesamt und letztendlich auch Deine Löschung nicht und bitte Dich freundlichst um Klarstellung dieses Problems.

Es handelt sich um diese Bilder: File:Männerquartett Eupen 1959.jpg, File:Männerquartett Eupen 1959 (2).jpg, File:Plattenhülle Männerquartett Eupen DNB 30.005.jpg, File:Willy Mommer, jun..jpg, File:Willy Mommer, jun. (2).jpg.

Beste Grüße, ArthurMcGill (talk) 16:50, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Hallo ArthurMcGill, frag doch bitte auf Commons:OTRS noticeboard - gerne auch auf deutsch - nach diesem Fall. Kann sein, dass die Abarbeitung "vergessen" wurde, kann sein dass die Freigabe nicht ausreichend waren, oder Rückfragen nicht beantwortet wurden. Ich kann diese Mails nicht einsehen, da ich kein Miglied des OTRS teams bin, hier als Admin nur ab zu zu einige "Rückstände" abarbeite. Gruß --JuTa 16:56, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Lippi

Hi JuTa, Back in November it looks like you deleted an image from the Gary Russell Libby - Wikipedia page because of No OTRS permission. Two releases were needed, one for the work depicted in the media and one for the media itself. A "Work Depicted in the Media Copyright Release" from Mr. Libby was emailed to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org on August 19, 2017, for the painting in the photograph. However, a copyright release for the media was never emailed to Wikimedia by Stetson University, the owner of the photograph. The required copyright release has been obtained from Stetson. I need to know where the release should be emailed or uploaded and how to get the image added back to his page. Can you please provide guidance for this. Thanx bunches in advance. Happy Monday from Florida! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Workwithmenow (talk • contribs) 17:22, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Workwithmenow, please see Commons:OTRS for the details. In fact there are two copyright holders in this case. 1. The painter of the depicted painting. 2. The person who took the photo. Both should send a releasing mail to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. regards. --JuTa 18:05, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

File:Autocesta A1.svg vs File:A1-SRB.svg

Hi JuTa,

I would like to warn you about incorrect (and unfair) edit when you redirected File:Autocesta A1.svg to File:A1-SRB.svg. Originally, File:Autocesta A1.svg referred to Croatian A1, while File:A1-SRB.svg referred to Serbian A1. As you can see, on 25 April 2018 user Ђидо uploaded new version of File:A1-SRB.svg. That new version is actually downloaded from File:Autocesta A1.svg which was uploaded long ago. Now we have following situation: A1-SRB.svg stands everywhere, even on articles about Croatian A1 and articles and templates about Croatian highways. Please, undo edits and return File:Autocesta A1.svg as specific file. Thanks! --IvanOS (talk) 12:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I revered the upload of the first file, restored the second one and undid the commonsDelinker edits. I hope I didnt missing something. regards. --JuTa 13:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi JuTa, why you are keep reverting my version of A1-SRB.svg? -- yes, I used copy of Croatian A1 sign, because they are identical in appearance, but, conceptually, they are different signs, prescribed by two different jurisdictions -- take, for example, Latin script "A" letter and Cyrillic "А" letter. Although they appear same on the screen, they are two different code points in Unicode because semantic of usage is different. So, sign for A1 motorway in Croatia, and A1 motorway in Serbia (and in Macedonia, which uses same-looking graphic) are semantically different. They are not same symbol. Moreover, version you keep reverting to is not official sign of A1 motorway anywhere, and definitely not in Serbia, so it is wrong to use, as it would be equally wrong to use Croatian traffic sign for Serbian motorway. Ђидо (talk) 05:50, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi JuTa, since you again merged File:Autocesta A1.svg and File:A1-SRB.svg, I have to warn you again about some illogical and unfair issue. This time, name of "common" file is not bad, File:Motorway-A1-Hex-Green.svg. But, way of merging is still not fair. See, current version was made and uploaded by Tomobe03 in 2010 as File:Autocesta A1.svg, while version which is not used anymore was firstly uploaded in 2011 by Daniel749 as File:A1-SRB.svg. But, if you check File history of File:Motorway-A1-Hex-Green.svg, you will see there is no evidence that version of file, which is currently used, was actually uploaded by Tomobe03 in 2010. That's not fair to Tomobe03! I suggest restoring of Tomobe03's File:Autocesta A1.svg. It can be used also for other countries, not only Croatia, considering Autocesta A1 is also neutral name. Also, restore Daniel749's File:A1-SRB.svg, but with Fredddie's version from 10 September 2017, and rename it to neutral name, for example File:Motorway-A1-Rect-Green.svg, where Rect refers to rectangle shape. Then both files can be used, depending on country. Thanks! --IvanOS (talk) 18:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Same for Autocesta A2.svg, Autocesta A3.svg, Autocesta A4.svg, Autocesta A5.svg, Autocesta A6.svg, Autocesta A7.svg, Autocesta A8.svg, Autocesta A9.svg, Autocesta A10.svg, Autocesta A11.svg. --IvanOS (talk) 18:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, the files are public domain anyhow. There is in fact no need to name any author. I named him nontheless. The kept one is the one with much more (different) versions uploaded, thats the reason I kept that one and not the other. regards. --JuTa 20:34, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Both signs (file versions) may be used, depends on country. That's why I suggest you to restore Tomobe03's Autocesta A1.svg with its version (which is currently used in "common" file) and restoration of Daniel749's A1-SRB.svg under neutral name and with version from 10 September 2017. Review on current situation: Tomobe03's file was uploaded in May 2010 while Daniel749 uploaded his file in September 2011. Now, when files are equalized, wouldn't be more logic to move copy (A1-SRB.svg, now Motorway-A1-Hex-Green.svg) to original (Autocesta A1.svg) instead of this way (original->copy)? It wasn't okay to talk only with Ђидо about moving and renaming of someone's file without opinion and consent of other side. Whatever, please, consider my suggestion: it would be more fair and effective. Thanks! --IvanOS (talk) 21:25, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Sorry but my answer is no. He is named as author, even if the file history doesnt refect this. The only thing I see would be a history merge, which is a lot of work not realy woth of it. It means 1) restore the autostada files. 2) remove the current versions of the merged file 3) rename the autostrada file 4) restore the now deleted version os the merged file. This would result a mixed up page history which could be confusing as well. You could try to raise a Commons:Undeletion request. Maybe you are able to convince another admin to do this. regards --JuTa 21:32, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Deleting files of the Art+Feminism event in Geneva

Hi JuTA, I just see now updating our work for our whole project last year with the dash board that this file File:Buste d'homme, sculpture de Marie-Josèphe Cêtre.jpg was deleted by you. We do not need OTRS ticket for this file as the photographer is Mampoge. Other files that you deleted in may 2017 have the same problematic:

These photos are the only trace of a prominent personnality of the women's lib movement and LGBTIQ community in Geneva. She used to sell these potteries to make a living, which is why we photographed the last existing ones. @Yann, Mapomge, and Kvardek du: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nattes à chat (talk • contribs) 2018-05-09T14:42:24‎ (UTC)

Hi Nattes à chat, please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard for this case, as Im no member of the OTRS team and cannot read the mails. But note: We need permission not only by the photopgrapher but also by the artist of the depicted sculptures. regards. --JuTa 15:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Undelete/Restore requests

Hi JuTa. I do not know why you deleted

    Sort_Kanal_Redaksjonen.jpg

used in https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sort_kanal.

The artist is Tor Lier - AKA Waldemar Hepstein (https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldemar_Hepstein - waldemar.hepstein@gmail.com). I have sent 3 mails (the last one on April 20th) to you (permissions-commons@wikimedia.org) confirming that we have written permission from the artist under the Creative Commons License, but I receive no answers.

Here is a copy of the email from Tor/Waldemar:

" I - Tor Lier - under the artistic pseudonym of Waldemar Hepstein - hereby confirm that my two images below are free for all to use under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en) license

   1:   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sort_Kanal_Redaksjonen.jpg    
   2:   https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Sort_Kanal_Residents.jpg

With regards from Tor Lier, aka waldemar.hepstein@gmail.com " Could you please restore? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikaabe (talk • contribs) 14:40, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

With regards from Erik Aaberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikaabe (talk • contribs) 14:36, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Erikaabe, I restored the file and added {{OTRS pending}} to its description page. Next time please do this yourself, because thats the only way an admin can see that such an email was sent to the commons support team. regards --JuTa 15:37, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Ju. I was not aware of the "OTRS pending" feature. I thought a reference to the ticket number in an email was sufficient. With regards from Erikaabe.

File name

Can you move this file, according to this, please?--MaGa 13:03, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much.--MaGa 13:19, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I revered the upload of the first file, restored the second one and undid the commonsDelinker edits. I hope I didnt missing something. regards. --JuTa 13:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm interested for Autocesta A1.svg file, the other one is irrelevant for me. Thanks again.--MaGa 16:24, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

After your recent actions about this, I'm a little bit disappointed. I think that older file should be kept with his history, and that is Tomobe03's file, not another one.--MaGa 05:32, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Please see my reason in the section above. --JuTa 05:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
In my opinion, merging is not necessary. While I was admin at hr.wp, any newer duplicated file (or article) was deleted, without any question. The name of file in this case is (in my opinion) irrelevant.--MaGa 08:31, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Its not about the name. Its about the different versions which who ever could pick up and use as well, because they are free too. --JuTa 10:17, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Bild gelöscht

Hallo JuTa, du hast gestern das Bild: „File:GfK Kaufkraft Deutschland 2018.jpg“ gelöscht, da angeblich keine OTRS-Genehmigung vorliegt. Ich verstehe das nicht, denn am 01.03.2018 hat die Rechteinhaberin eine Bildfreigabe an die Adresse permissions-commons-de@wikimedia.org gesendet. Eine Kopie dieser E-Mail liegt mir vor. Viele Grüße --JoeHard (talk) 13:11, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

hi JoeHard, wenn sich nichts an der Bildbeschreibung ändert - sprich ein OTRS Mitarbeiter die Freigabe bestätigt - fallen die Bilder nach gut 2 Monaten automatisch in eine "bitte löschen" Kategorie. Bitte wende Dich - gerne auch auf deutsch - an Commons:OTRS noticeboard. Kann sein dass der Fall schlicht vergessen wurde, kann sein dass die Freigabe nicht OK war oder Rückfragen nicht beantwortet wurden, oder, oder, oder. Gruß --JuTa 16:52, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Danke für die Info. JoeHard (talk) 18:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)