User talk:Auntof6/Archives/2019

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Disambiguation

Check out: Commons:Village_pump#Disambiguation. Thanks. Evrik (talk) 03:42, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

email

The email server for my email had been down for about 12 hours; no estimated time for a fix yet. So I saw a notification that you sent me an email, but I have no way to see the email. - Jmabel ! talk 00:03, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@Jmabel: I just replied to the email you sent me last week. The answer to your question is that I don't understand it, either. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:08, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not astounded. - Jmabel ! talk 00:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

metacat

He visto en tu página de usuario que entiendes el castellano y yo no hablo inglés. Quería preguntarte en qué casos se usa {{Metacat}} y en cuales {{Catcat}}. Gracias y un saludo. --JT Curses (talk) 03:03, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

@Jtcurses: Saludos. Sí entiendo este idioma, y espero que lo escribo suficientemente bien.
Se usa {{Metacat}} cuando las subcategorías contienen cosas multiples que tienen algo en común. Unos ejemplos:
Se usa {{Catcat}} cuando una categorías debe contener solamente otras categorías, pero los subcategorías pueden ser organizadas de cualquiera manera. Unos ejemplos:
Probablemente has notado que ambos listas tienen una categoría con "by name" ("por nombre"). Eso confunde a muchas personas. Ese uso depende en la organización de la categoría. Se usa {{Metacat}} si cada subcategoría contiene información sobre multiples cosas o personas con el mismo nombre. Si eso no es el caso, se usa {{Catcat}}.
Espero que he explicado bien. Si no, ¿cómo puedo ayudar más? --Auntof6 (talk) 06:36, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Gracias y un saludo.--JT Curses (talk) 23:09, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Category:Chaplains of the Netherlands ---> should be Category:Almoners of the Netherlands ?

@Auntof6: I noticed you took a closer look the that category. I guess this has to do with the language barrier, but een Aalmoezenier is not the same as a Chaplain. But how to categorize, I wonder myself. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 10:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't really know. It was in Category:Chaplains before, so I put it in Category:Chaplains by country. I don't object to it being changed. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:10, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks :-) Taking a closer look at The portrait of the almoner or The breviary (1886) by Jules-Alexis Muenier. it is categorized under Category:Chaplains, though, if following the locgic, it should be in a Category:Almoners in art. Difficult stuff I guess. Lotje (talk) 10:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Question

Hi Auntof, I see that you have re-directed Category:2011 photographs of Turkey to Category:2011 in Turkey. Now I see that many countries have "2011 photographs of ..." cats and we have several other "2000s photographs of Turkey" cats. Therefore I have a difficulty in understanding why 2011/Turkey is singled out. If it was a mistake, can you kindly revert it? Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 13:00, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@E4024: It was not accidental. Categories with the word "photographs" in their names are normally used to hold subcategories that group photographs by various characteristics (black and white photographs, for example: you can see others in the subcategories of Category:Photographs of Turkey). The vast majority of files on Commons are photographs, making "photographs" a de facto default, so it's not considered necessary to specify "photographs" the way this category does. If you aren't grouping photographs by characteristics, there's no functional difference between Category:2011 photographs of Turkey and Category:2011 in Turkey.
This category apparently didn't have any subcategories grouped by characteristics, so I redirected it. I actually did redirect some other categories at the same time, and intended to get to all of them. If I didn't get all of the ones for Turkey, it was because either I got sidetracked with something at the time or someone objected to the change and I didn't have time to argue it at the time. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:03, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm not far away to your thinking, but at the moment both Turkey and other countries have "some" of these cats, the ones that you did not re-direct. :) This is sort of an anomaly. You have to contribute to find a solution. (I used similar cats only because I saw them existing, not that I wanted to create them.) Best. --E4024 (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

ordre de Saint-Jean de Jérusalem et ordre souverain de Malte

Bonjour Auntof6,

C'est parfait de me reverter mais que fait-on maintenant ? La discussion date de pratiquement de 2 ans et elle s'est terminée par un consensus pour les deux catégories sauf toi apparemment qui est en contradiction avec Wikidata qui lui aussi à deux catégories.

Cordialement --- Alaspada (Talk) 00:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

metacat

thanks for the note regarding metacat. I will add the sort parameter. I see what it is for. Hmains (talk) 04:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

How to delete file?

I created a non-free image File:The Myth of the Negro Past.jpg on Commons. How do I delete it? I want to create the same file, but on Wikipedia. Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 10:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Mitchumch: On the file page, you should see a "Nominate for deletion" link under tools on the left side of the page. Click that and follow whatever prompts come up. --Auntof6 (talk) 14:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

How to delete a category

In the course of my work, I sometimes create categories that are wrong in some way (such as wrong spelling) and a little while later want to delete them. How to do? Hmains (talk) 18:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Hmains: There are templates for this that you put at the top of the category. The main one is {{Speedydelete}}. The syntax and options for that are documented at Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion. There are also some other templates that can be used for specific reasons. The ones I find most useful are:
Some of those are not just for categories, and one is a redirect. Hope that helps. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Geçmiş olsun!

"Tavuk suyu çorba", sometimes heals better than a doc and nurse together. :-)

Heeey, did you have a health problem? Very sorry to hear that. I hope you are perfectly well by now. The title is the Turkish saying equivalent to "get well soon". Best wishes. --E4024 (talk) 00:09, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@E4024: Yes, I developed appendicitis, which was caught early, and had an appendectomy. They did the surgery as an outpatient procedure, laparascopically, so I was never even actually admitted to the hospital. Everything happened very fast and was successful. I'm mostly OK now, just a little irritation at the places where the three incisions were made. Thanks for asking. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 00:30, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Good to hear you're alright. I had one operation in my life, also with laparotomy, but with the gall bladder; consequence of loving to eat... --E4024 (talk) 00:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Category:Tamil-language films

The reason I made that edit was, the category is getting overpopulated and all the files listed in it should belong in sub-categories. If adding {{container cat}} is not the way, what is? Adding {{cat diffuse}}? Please ping me since I am not as active in Commons as English Wiki. --Kailash29792 (talk) 05:26, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: First, I don't see that they all need to be in subcategories, because we don't need to create categories for films that have only one file. However, if you want to encourage diffusing the category, there are a couple of ways to do that. You could use either {{Cat diffuse}}, as you suggest, or you could use {{Categorise}}. I think it's OK to have a lot of files in the category, though, especially if there aren't multiple files for one film. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Why?!

Why have you done such re-categorization?! That subcat is supposed to discriminate photos from other files with the same subject (ie paintings). --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 19:00, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Categories with names like "Photographs of <foo>" are generally reserved for subcategories that group photos by some characteristic. Examples of such characteristics are black and white photos, portrait photos, and close-up photos, but there can be others. Photographs in general, especially color photographs, are the overwhelming majority of the images on Commons, so that's a de facto default and they don't need a separate category, except to group them as mentioned above. If an individual photo isn't in a more specific category based on what's in the image, it can go in the main category, which in this case is Category:Topless standing women. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Another common type of Photographs cat is for subjects that are usually (or very often) depicted in non-photographic images: flags, insignia, &c. But for subjects that are most often photographed, it’s the other media that are normally split off: Foo in art, Drawings of Bar, and so on.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:50, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Category:Luiz Carlos

You know something about Portuguese onomastics that I don’t? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 10:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: First, note that you omitted the "(given name)" qualifier from the category name in the heading of this section. The category is actually Category:Luiz Carlos (given name). Pages named "Foo1 Foo2 (given name)" are for people who have the indicated names as given names. Such pages are not disambiguation pages. See Category:John Paul (given name) and Category:Peter Edward (given name) for other examples.
If the page I changed is not for that, then it shouldn't have the "(given name)" qualifier. Are you thinking that Carlos is actually a surname? --Auntof6 (talk) 10:51, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Carlos and Luís are two independent given names and there’s no multiple given names in Portuguese onomastics (to make a long story short). Your shocking lack of interest and your uncollegial smugness are noted. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 11:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
@Tuvalkin: Please assume good faith and don't read any particular attitude into my reply. My terseness is sometimes interpreted as brusqueness, but it isn't intended in any negative way.
I don't like these two-word given name pages, either, for any language, but we have a lot of them. People apparently wanted to see all the given name combinations. I don't think the page is meant to be specific to any particular language, though, even if everyone currently in it is from a Portuguese-speaking country. There is an open CFD on this issue at Commons:Categories for discussion/2016/08/Category:Robert Falcon (given name). --Auntof6 (talk) 11:54, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Auntof6, you got that right about brusqueness. I have no ill will against you, quite the opposite, as you are up there in my rarified list of Commons users whose work I truely admire. However, you know how aggressive the use of the undo button can be felt, and this case, with you being unredeemingly wrong, I was dumbstruck and bitterly appalled. That category being not empty (till just now — it takes a while to synch from WD, which is one more reason we should minimize transclusions from it) got you formally correct, though.
You may have not noticed, but I had been filing for deletion those coumpound given names cats (surnames too), as they make no sense in Portuguese onomastics. I thought it would be friendlier if they are turned into disambiguation pages, so that people can be steered into categorizing person cats correctly in both listed given name cats instead. (Again, the way WD is wrecking out cat data, though, limits the usefulness of this option.)
Double given names are a feature of Portuguese onomastics (which includes Brazil, as you may know) and it is indeed rare for someone to have only one given name. As far as I can tell this is not productively comparable to the French custom of relatively unusual pairs of given names, hyphenated and used along with single-word given names — it is more akin to the U.S. custom of a “middle name”, in that there is no specific bound between the two name words, and that is what makes these double cats more of a hindrance than a useful categorization tool.
-- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 14:39, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: I still don't think it works as a disambiguation page. The entries on a disambiguation page are meant be things that can be called by the name on that page. Someone with a first or second given name of either Luiz or Carlos isn't presumed to be a "Luiz Carlos". Why don't we just delete that page?

I had not noticed that anyone was trying to get the compound/double given name categories deleted, but I'm glad to hear it. --Auntof6 (talk) 16:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

continents

By the way, thanks for your comments Hmains (talk) 02:13, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

@Hmains: You're welcome, but which comments are you referring to?
By the way, I'm sorry for accidentally rolling back your edit here. That's what happens when I don't tap the right spot on my tablet. I have now enabled the option that asks for confirmation when I select a rollback link, so that shouldn't happen again. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:00, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
All is fine. Last week or so on my talk page, section "Oceania is a region". Thanks Hmains (talk) 04:02, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Petscan...

Hi Auntof6, to continue from User_talk:Jarekt#CatScan2-Gadget - here's a link to the Petscan Issue tracker: Petscan Issue tracker. I recommend to describe the problem as exact as possible - what did you do / enter, what's the expected behaviour, and what's happening instead. Hope this helps and good luck! --Fl.schmitt (talk) 16:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Feel better

…soon! -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 08:28, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: Thanks! I'm able to do a little bit now. I'll leave the notice up until I feel back up to speed. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:47, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks re: Category:Churches in Munich

I went in to knock out some more of these this morning and found you had gone and finished the remaining to be done. Thank you very much for the help! Josh (talk) 16:27, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Joshbaumgartner: You're welcome. I hope I got everything, including all the subcats. I wonder if there are any other categories that need to be changed from München to Munich. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:31, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

ONUC/UNOC

The United Nations Operation in the Congo is generally abbreviated as ONUC. See for instance [1], [2], [3] or en:United Nations Operation in the Congo. I propose to rename back c:Category:Swedish Army in UNOC to c:Category:Swedish Army in ONUC (and all the similar categories), and to rename c:Category:UNOC into c:Category:ONUC. Is that ok for you?--Le Petit Chat (talk) 20:18, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Le Petit Chat: If you want to do that, I recommend opening a CFD first because you'd be reversing the outcome of another CFD. This CFD is the reason I renamed those two: all the other categories used UNOC. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:17, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Ok. I don't know how to create a CFD so I will give up. UNOC remains an acceptable "alternative" name for ONUC.--Le Petit Chat (talk) 21:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Category:Western Australia

No worries. I put the categorize template on three weeks ago after I cleared almost 800 images out of Category:Western Australia and placed them in more precise WA categories. I changed it to the other template a few hours, wondering whether it might be the better choice, ago and you changed it back. I'm perfectly fine with either as long as the category doesn't get flooded again with images that really could go somewhere else. Re-categorising a few at a time as they come in is easy enough, clearing 800 out is a bit harder! Thanks for letting me know, Calistemon (talk) 08:02, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

@Calistemon: Having the catcat template wouldn't stop people from adding files anyway. If it's a category you want to keep an eye on, you could watch it and use the "category changes" filter in your watchlist. That way you'd see anything added or removed. That's actually how I noticed this: I watch Category:Categories requiring permanent diffusion to zero, so I saw this category show up there. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:12, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm keeping a regular eye on the category. I'm happy for new images to go in there and to re categorise them from there. Thanks for the advise, I will look into it. Calistemon (talk) 08:18, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Amazing: 12 years on Wikipedia and I never new the "category changes filter" tool existed! Thank you very much for that hint! Calistemon (talk) 00:13, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
@Calistemon: Don't feel bad -- it's pretty new. There used to be a few filters you could activate via checkboxes, but the new system has more options. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:58, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Вікі любить пам'ятки 2019 в Україні

Привіт!

1 вересня вже традиційно стартує українська частина міжнародного фотоконкурсу «Вікі любить пам'ятки»! До кінця вересня Ви можете подавати власні фото пам'яток історико-культурної спадщини України — і змагатися за призи. Більше про те, як взяти участь, можна прочитати за посиланням.

Із детальними правилами можна ознайомитися тут. Для тих, хто раніше уже брав участь у конкурсі — зауважте, що цього року є певні зміни:

  • у номінації «Найкраще фото» — файли повинні мати не менше 4 МПкс;
  • у номінації «За найбільшу кількість сфотографованих пам’яток» — оцінка фотографії пам'ятки складається із суми базового та додаткових балів (в останній враховується чи ця пам'ятка вже фотографувалася іншими авторами та скільки фотографій пам'яток уже є з цього населеного пункту);

Нагадаємо, що фотографії автоматично беруть участь у номінації «За найбільшу кількість сфотографованих пам’яток»; однак для того, щоб фото позмагалося у номінації «Найкраще фото», потрібно підтвердити це при завантаженні.

Також цього року маємо спецномінації «Єврейська спадщина» та «Млини». Також окремо відзначатимуться найкращі відео із пам'ятками.

Приєднуйтеся!

Зі списками пам'яток можна ознайомитися тут. Більше інформації про конкурс дивіться у блозі конкурсу. Щоб отримувати інформацію про новинки у конкурсі — підпишіться на наші блог та сторінку у фейсбук.

Якщо у Вас є запитання, можете звертатися wlm@wikimedia.org.ua чи у фейсбук – З повагою, Оргкомітет «Вікі любить пам'ятки». 19:04, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Ви отримали це повідомлення, оскільки Ви брали участь в одному із фотоконкурсів «Вікімедіа Україна».

Orinda station

Why'd you decide to move the category? There isn't any other Orinda station to disambiguate it from; the enwiki article is at en:Orinda station. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 08:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535: I thought I was seeing that all the BART stations had that qualifier, but now that I look again I see others that don't have it. Sorry about that. It's not letting me do the move back because the redirect now exists, so would you mind doing the move back? Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Will do! Station naming can be confusing, especially with systems like BART that share many station names with other systems. I tend to follow en:WP:USSTATION when naming Commons categories - it has certainly simplified naming on enwiki, but it isn't always easy to figure out whether a parenthetical disambiguation is needed. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 09:57, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Wine shops by region

Bonjour, Marianne. I noticed that you created categories for wine shops in the regions of France, and marked them as metacategories. Category:Wine shops in France by region is a metacat, because the category name indicates a sort criterion (region) to show that each subcategory is for an individual region. However, Category:Wine shops in Hauts-de-France is not a metacategory because the name doesn't specify a sort criterion. I have removed the metacat template from several of those categories, and I'm letting you know so that you can stop adding it. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 08:43, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Marianne Casamance (talk) 09:36, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Metacat

I believe the template I should have used was {{CatCat}}? Correct? ~riley (talk) 04:09, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@~riley: If you mean in Category:Gliders, I would use {{Categorise}}, because I see no reason to forbid files in the category. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Czechia

Actually I wondered whether we can leave "Czechia" for categories like art, culture, music and literature, but I wanted to hear other opinions. Clearly "Czechia" cannot be the main category, there's no consensus. -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 08:49, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

@Blackcat: I think they should all be the same. Also, CFD tags are now left on multiple pages for this closed CFD. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:41, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
For me no problem, Auntof6. -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 12:10, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Important message for file movers

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Cat for Template:NRHP

Hi! Thanks for the correction on Template:NRHP; regarding the category, the term "monuments" is in the context of Wiki Loves Monuments, and all NRHP sites are considered monuments for the sake for WLM. A bit of confusion caused by varying international definition, I think. Would it be fine for me to restore this category on the doc page? Perhaps the category can be renamed to Category:United States historical site templates as that's more accurate. The ultimate goal of this category it to group together national + state historic site templates. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 04:48, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I would prefer the alternate name you suggest, and yes it should go on the doc page. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Mythological paintings

Hi Auntof6. Why do you not think that mythological paintings are a genre of paintings? You have removed the genre connection, but mythological paintings are indeed listed as a separate genre (see top bar in the listing). Am I missing something here? Cheers --Rsteen (talk) 19:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

@Rsteen: I hadn't noticed that top bar, but it seemed to me that mythology (as well as several of the other things listed in the top bar, now that I look at it) are topics or subjects rather than genres. Paintings of animals are included in that top bar, but are not categorized as a genre either in Commons or in English Wikipedia. The same is true for paintings of battles/war. In my opinion, that top bar template should be redone. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:43, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Well, the genre definitions are probably there by consensus, so they should not be easily dismissed. A lot of art is categorized along genre lines, so alterations to this system should be carefully thought through. The subject division is ok as a further specification, but please do not break up the genre system, and please reinstate the category that you deleted. Cheers --Rsteen (talk) 06:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!

Hello,

Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at Wikimedia Commons.

I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at the contest page and send us your Google account address to google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org, so we can invite you in!

From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community.

If you have any questions, please let us know at google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org.

Thank you!

--User:Martin Urbanec (talk) 22:04, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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