User talk:R'n'B/Archive 1

Good job

Hi, your bot is doing a pretty neat job. I appreciate it's nice reporting. A couple of questions:

1. Would it be possible to run the category redirect checking/repairing once a day ?
2. Would it be possible to run the image move over redirecy a couple of times per day ?
3. Do you have an idea why the empty redirects don't disappear from the not-empty category list, while they used to disappear in the past ?

Note that we have a lot of occasional and non-regular users on commons and the sooner we can detect/correct mistakes, the better it is. Best regards. --Foroa (talk) 15:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed that the bot only runs only every two days. I noticed that the bot does not check for categories that exist several times in the same object. See Image:Basilica di San Clemente - Abside.jpg. With the thousands of redirects here, such filtering would be useful. --Foroa (talk) 06:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Mistakes!

Hi R'n'B!

You are doing something wrong here! You put the wrong category on some images. Here [1]

87.179.160.72 17:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

That's highly unlikely, since I haven't put any categories on any images. How about providing links to diffs? --R'n'B (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Having investigated further, I see that whoever uploaded the dinosaur image put it in Category:Hall, which makes no sense to begin with. My bot simply followed the category redirect (which also probably shouldn't have been there to begin with). The error was the uploader's. --R'n'B (talk) 15:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Bot hang today ?

I am under the impression that RussBot did not complete its job this morning. Otherwise great, but logs need not pile up in the file. A reset from time to time to avoid that the file becomes too long ? --Foroa (talk) 07:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• The bot did run on October 31, it just failed to update the log page. That's because I changed the logging code, but it had a bug in it, which I've now fixed. --R'n'B (talk) 10:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
• BTW, the bot will fail to run sometimes. If the machine it runs on suffers a power failure or Internet outage, especially over the weekend, there's nothing I can do about it until the situation is resolved. --R'n'B (talk) 10:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Great now. It would be great too if the bot could replace the {{Seecat}}, {{See cat}} and {{Catredirect}} templates in {{Category redirect}} as the automated recategorisation bot has troubles with them. --Foroa (talk) 17:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Russbot blocked again ? --Foroa (talk) 09:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Russbot on strike for two days ? --Foroa (talk) 15:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Additional Russbot functionality request

Hi. Would it be possible to add the following functionality to RussBot:

• Remove all included categories in redirected categories
• Change all galleries that redirect to a category so that they are no longer cyclic, for example changing #REDIRECT [[Category:Crucifixes]] into #REDIRECT [[:Category:Crucifixes]]
• Integrate in the edit summary of moved categories the source and destination category.

Thank you. --Foroa (talk) 06:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Let me see. Some of these are more difficult than others. The third one, in particular, is something I've been meaning to work on for a while. --R'n'B (talk) 19:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Bot seems asleep since two days. --Foroa (talk) 06:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

User:RussBot/category redirect log no longer updated ? --Foroa (talk) 06:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Great bot job for recategorisation of the coats of arms. Well done indeed. --Foroa (talk) 07:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Troubles ?

Something going very wrong here --Foroa (talk) 05:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Leeds 2000s categories

With regards to the redirect format, while usually I would suggest the standard format would be a better option, it inhibits the redirect to function properly, which is why I created the redirect in the first place (so the timeline at the top of the annual pages would work). Is there anyway to stop the bot doing this? Mtaylor848 (talk) 15:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Loops

Hi R'n'B. Recently we had some problems with redirect loops, e.g. with Category:Trotsky and the ones detected at User:RussBot/category_redirect_log#2009-12-30T13:47:17Z. It's a problem that can appear with the python library (used, e.g. by SieBot). Could you make sure that RussBot doesn't move any pages if it detects a loop and possibly resets that cooldown date for both categories? Thanks. -- User:Docu at 13:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Bot purge of Category:Non-empty category redirects

Hi, any idea why Russbot no longer purges empty categories in Category:Non-empty category redirects ? Thank you. --Foroa (talk) 13:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure the bot ever did do that. The empty category page needs to be touched to update its links (or an admin can do a null edit of Template:Category redirect and wait for the links to be updated by job queue), and there's no reason for the bot to make an edit to a category that's empty. --R'n'B (talk) 15:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

It have been purged again. No idea who does it and how it is done (touching the template don't always work with that mysterious template). One day, we might know ... --Foroa (talk) 16:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I recently updated the bot so that it does a null edit of every category page it loads (which are only the ones with {{Category redirect}} that aren't empty), after it has tried to move the contents, so this should make the category of Non-empty category redirects much more up-to-date. --R'n'B (talk) 09:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Great. Thank you. --Foroa (talk) 10:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Hard redirects of category names

Hi! Is it possible for a bot to help in cases like this? Thank you.--Unai Fdz. de Betoño (talk) 14:31, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

We are talking about it here.--Unai Fdz. de Betoño (talk) 14:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it is a technical issue so much as a problem of developing a community consensus. If there were a consensus to use hard redirects, the bot could handle that (with some work to adapt it). --R'n'B (talk) 21:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

(unindent). See section farther down also: #May need bot to empty hard redirects too. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:05, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

log

Hi R'n'B. The log for category redirects lists the details of new redirects. I think it would interesting to add the destination for moved files and redirects that are in "cooldown". Would be nice to have that. -- User:Docu at 07:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

May Day an 1st of May

en:May Day is a traditional holiday in many cultures, but not the same as en:Labour Day. Why did you join these categories? Now images like File:Seattle May Day March 2008, 4th Avenue.jpg join images with a totally different meaning (like f.i. File:MayQueen1887.jpg) in one category. Has this been discussed, and has consensus been reached? Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 10:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jan, you might want to contact Evrik who redirect 1st_of_May. R'n'B's bot just moves them after a one-week cooldown period. -- User:Docu at 10:52, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

• I think I may have misunderstood. In the US, the Labor Day is in September. I recognize that there is both the traditional holiday celebrated on May 1, and the celebration of labor. They were mixed up, so I just moved to combine them. Go ahead and sort it out as you see fit. Sorry about that. Evrik (talk) 12:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Basic fixes

Hi R'n'B, you might want to add Commons:Tools/pywiki file description cleanup to RussBot. If you add it, I would monitor it initially and deal with user queries. -- User:Docu at 08:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Category:Post boxes by country

I would like to draw your attention to this discussion - Post boxes & mailboxes, which is based on the earlier discussion, Commons:Categories for discussion/2010/03/Category:Post boxes by country. Your recent edits ([2], [3], [4]) do not comply with the categorization principles for post boxes, letter boxes and mailboxes. I revert your edits. --Michael Romanov (talk) 15:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The bot executes only the redirects: it simply does its duty. --Foroa (talk) 16:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Achillea moschata

Dear

I agree with transferring Achillea moschata to Achillea erba-rotta subsp. moschata. However, there are currently no pictures of Achillea erba-rotta subsp. erba-rotta. The picture, which was reported as subsp. erba-rotta is clearly of subsp. moschata.

• Subsp. erba-rotta, a scarce plant of the southwestern Alps (Savoie, Dauphiné and Piedmont), has only thooted leaves.
• Subsp. moschata, which is widespread in the central Alps, has strongly pinnated leaves.

Best botanic regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Dear

This is a bot that just moves files from one category to another based on the redirects that users have established. It does not look at the contents of any of the files. --R'n'B (talk) 23:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Now twice "People by name"

I have seen that your bot is active to [change] [[Category:Living people]] into [[Category:People by name]]. The problem is that the category "People by name" is now twice mentioned. Will your bot also solve that problem? Wouter (talk) 16:53, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Your bot continues with this work, can you solve it ASAP??? --Gumruch (talk) 23:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Bot halted. ZooFari 00:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Bot released as category is moved anyway. --Foroa (talk) 22:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry. MediaWiki will display the category just once anyways.  Docu  at 11:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

• Now fixed. If either User:Wouterhagens or User:Gumruch or User:ZooFari had read the note at the top of this talk page, and contacted me on Wikipedia, it could have been fixed much sooner. --R'n'B (talk) 22:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Special characters

Hi, RussBot seems to have problems with the images in Category:Images from US Navy, location Ash-Shu’aibah, Kuwait, probably because of the special symbols in the cat names. Thank you for the great daily work. --Foroa (talk) 08:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Subcategories of Category:Or (heraldry)

Category discussion notification

Many subcategories of Category:Or (heraldry) have been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which they should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created some of those categories, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

--ŠJů (talk) 19:17, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Category:Pescara train station vers Pescara Centrale train station

Moin lieber R'n'B, es gibt mehrere Stationen in Pescara, Central, Porta Nova, usw. Daher sehe ich das nicht als glücklich an, hier nur Pescara Train Station zu schreiben. Tschüß -- Ra Boe watt?? 17:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Moin dear R' n' B, it gives several stations in Pescara, Pescara Centrale, Porta Mova, etc. from there regards I that not as happy to write here only Pescara Train station. Tschüß -- Ra Boe watt?? 17:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

It looks like you are talking about a redirected category. You need to talk to the editor who decided to redirect the category (looks like it was User:Friedrichstrasse, here). --R'n'B (talk) 17:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Moin R'n'B Danke für den Tipp, Tschüß -- Ra Boe watt?? 09:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Commons shake up

Due to new wikipedia software versions, several data structures seem to be reset. In am under the impression that the category redirects and their "cool down" time tags have been (partly ?) reset. So it might need some weeks before all redirects are flagged again (now flagged as new redirects) and all cool down dates are properly initialised and expired. Would be great if you could accelerate that process. --Foroa (talk) 10:09, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

So far, it appears that even though many redirects are being incorrectly identified as "new" (and I'm not entirely sure why that is happening), the cooldown periods have not been affected. I will continue to monitor this. --R'n'B (talk) 12:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Redirects are impacted, example is Category:Folklore in Wallonia. --Foroa (talk) 13:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

For example ":ウラジオストク -> Category:Vladivostok" is listed on 4 days as new redirect. --Foroa (talk) 10:36, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I think I have found the problem and am running the script again now; we'll see if it works. --R'n'B (talk) 11:20, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Problems ? --Foroa (talk) 07:57, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, recurring API errors. I've been away the past week, will try to debug it today. --R'n'B (talk) 10:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Attention please! Emilia-Romagna, not Emilia Romagna

I think your bot working for move Emilia-Romagna categories into right name but you must remember that the official designation of this region of Italy is Emilia-Romagna with dash not without.--Threecharlie (talk) 09:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

The bot does not choose titles for categories; it merely follows redirects created by other users. As a matter of fact, Category:Emilia Romagna is a redirect to Category:Emilia-Romagna, not the other way around, so I am not sure what you are concerned about. However, if there is a particular category redirect you disagree with, take it up with other editors; the bot will implement whatever consensus is reached. --R'n'B (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:Substituídas

Hi, Category:Substituídas‎ is meant to be the equivalent of Category:Superseded, and to redirect to it, but it was not my intention for pages in this category to be moved to the English category, because those pages are not in English. Am I going about this the wrong way? Hamilton Abreu (talk) 17:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you should inquire on Commons talk:Categories. My bot does not decide policy, it just carries out redirects. Categories cannot be hard-redirected, the way you tried to do, due to limitations in the MediaWiki software. --R'n'B (talk) 13:32, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation versus General phonetics

Hi, I found: (Robot: change redirected category Phonetic recordings to General phonetics) to be rather irritating. Category:General phonetics collects only single phones and is language agnostic. The recording moved, File:Fra-chapelle.ogg, is a Frech name or expression, however. It should go to the appropriate subcat of Category:Pronunciation, or to Category:Pronunciation itself as an interim for further manual processing. Only my opinion, of course. Greetings --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 10:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

The bot does not choose category redirects; it merely follows the redirect instructions created by human users. If you think the redirect of category:Phonetic recordings is incorrect, you can change it or start a discussion on its talk page. --R'n'B (talk) 12:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Non-empty category redirects

Hello Jarekt,
First of all: thanks a lot for your excellent RussBot.
I wanted to warn you that I did some change that could bother your bot:

• I added a new parameter |reason= to {{Category redirect}}
• I created 3 templates including {{Category redirect}}:
  • {{Synonym taxon category redirect}}
  • {{Invalid taxon category redirect}}
  • {{Monotypic taxon category redirect}}

With Foroa, we are trying to test (see here) the bot actions on Category:Non-empty category redirects .
Do you have any idea what problem my 4 modifications could cause ?
Best regards Liné1 (talk) 11:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Bot is deployed on hundreds of wikis, might need a kick on en:User talk:R'n'B. --Foroa (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Liné1. I am updating the bot to recognize your three new templates. Thank you for alerting me to this change.

As for the "reason=" parameter, it should not cause any problems. The bot code does expect that the target category of the redirect will be the first unnamed (positional) parameter of the template. Your templates appear to conform to this convention, so I do not think they will cause any problems. --R'n'B (talk) 10:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Failed Russbot moves

Hi, there are various redirected categories where the RussBot moves fails without an apparent reason, especially the ones concerning Musée Guimet. Could you have a look ? Thank you. --Foroa (talk) 11:31, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

This was hard to track down! Apparently, whoever entered these categories on the description pages did not just insert [[Category:Korean art in Musée Guimet]] as one would expect; instead, they added two invisible Unicode characters at the end of the name: [[Category:Korean art in Musée Guimet(U+200E)(U+200E)]]. That character is the Unicode "left-to-right" marker; there is no apparent reason for it to be used on these pages even once, much less twice, so it probably was a technical error that the editor who did it may not even have been aware of. But with these invisible characters in the link, the bot does not recognize the category link as matching.

It looks to me like all these pages are already present in the target category as well, so the simple solution may be to use HotCat to remove the incorrect category links manually. --R'n'B (talk) 16:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. By the way, now the cat is twice in the image so the destination cat might have the same problem. There are still 150 or so such Musée Guimet images, and Cat-a-lot doesn't work on it neither. It could be a good exercise for cat-a-lot, so I'll ask there too.

Would you care to have a look at Category:Squaeres in Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship too. I found nothing abnormal except that the cats are in the middle of the info template. In Category:Maps of Fatimid Caliphate, I could not find anything abnormal neither. --Foroa (talk) 18:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Those "squaeres" category links also have an invisible character inside the brackets. It's the mysterious U+200E again, but only one of it this time. --R'n'B (talk) 18:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you again. You destroyed my example problem cases for Cat-a-lot, but at least, this side of the problem is solved. I guess that Category:Greco-Buddhist art in Musée Guimet will be moved the next time round as RussBot is getting smarter. --Foroa (talk) 18:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I tried Cat-a-lot, and it didn't work; it probably uses the same method as Pywikipediabot to recognize category links. --R'n'B (talk) 10:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Bot stalled ? --Foroa (talk) 04:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Convert all interlaced JPGs

Hello, can you by any chance give a look at this bot work request? Thanks, Nemo 10:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

You cleaned up my redirect, very nicely. Thanks!  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 18:52, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

What about a nice little bot ?

Hi, we have many understandable complaints of our clients (wikipedias, wikisources, ...) that complain about broken links after category moves. When moving using the delinker bot, we leave a click-able deletion edit summary, but many categories are moved by hand without any indication where it is moved to. On the other hand, I noticed that on many wikipedias, many references to Commons are even wrong to start with and are anyway not maintained for many years.

I am wondering if you could make a bot that runs on the various wikipedias that create a list of invalid references to Commons. In a second step, it could correct the redirected ones, maybe the moved ones with a clear edit summary and potentially remove simply the invalid ones. What do you think ? --Foroa (talk) 07:57, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I guess my first question is, what exactly is an "invalid reference to Commons"? It looks like a wiki can refer to Commons in at least three different ways. (1) By including a "File:" link to a file that does not exist on the host wiki, but does exist on Commons. (2) By including an interwiki-style link, such as [[commons:User:R'n'B]]. (3) By including an external link, such as [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:R%27n%27nB]. I'm guessing you don't mean type (1), since if the file doesn't exist on Commons then the users of the wiki will just see an ordinary red link. Type (2) links are in the interwiki links table [this is relatively new, but it ought to be supported on all WMF wikis], and type (3) links are in the external links table, so in principle it should be possible to check both of them and see if the target page exists or not. Is that what you had in mind? --R'n'B (talk) 14:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Right. All types could be interesting but type 2 are the ones that cause most troubles; mainly in the form {{Commons|Gallery}} and {{Commonscat|Commons category}} seems the standard way of referencing Commons used in 3600000 and 316000 cases. But I guess that all templates in en:Category:Wikimedia Commons templates are an intermediate to that interwiki link table (Tbc). Deleted file links should not occur with the delinker, but anyway the image will not be displayed, so that is visible. I wouldn't worry too much about type 3, it can be managed as any other link. Attention: some Commons references are transformed in a Commons search, so those are always valid. The idea is to have that bot running on all wikipedias. --Foroa (talk) 15:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thinking about this, it seems to me that identifying broken links should be relatively easy, and it could be done by an off-line program that scans the WMF dump files, without needing to run a bot on any wiki. The next step is trying to identify corrections, and I'm not sure how that would work. Can you give me an example of a specific broken link and how it would be corrected? --R'n'B (talk) 19:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, a two step process might be better. Examples: en:Category:Red Ensigns en:Category:People from Fujian, cs:Lina. Sorry, I am a bit short on time and could not find yet examples that lead to a disambiguation or category redirect. If you need such examples, let me know. --Foroa (talk) 12:18, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

And an example of a link that launches a search en:Gaza; those might be put in a separate list, but not sure; curious what you will find in your tables for such cases. --Foroa (talk) 14:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I already know how to find the broken links, as in en:Category:Red Ensigns which links to the non-existing commons:Category:Red Ensigns. My question was how to find the current correct target of the broken link. Anyway, even the first step will take some time to get the kinks out, but I'm working on it. --R'n'B (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Not commons:Category:Red Ensigns, but Category:Red Ensigns has a deletion edit summary: "(Category:Red Ensigns moved to Category:Red ensigns en:Red Ensign means something else) ". If there is no clear edit summary, you could try to find a category that has an interlanguage link to en:Category:Red Ensigns. Links to redirected categories should be easier while links from non disambiguation to disambiguation categories, could be attempted (or suggested in the report) as the first case. --Foroa (talk) 13:18, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

So, as a proof of concept, I produced the following report of broken links on the Simple English Wikipedia: User:RussBot/Broken Commons links/simplewiki. I thought I would start there because the size is manageable; this report only took a few minutes to generate, but I suspect doing it for English Wikipedia would take a couple of hours. In principle, this script could be modified to run on any wiki regardless of language. Any thoughts? --R'n'B (talk) 20:11, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Great. I don't have the time right now to look to into it deeply, but already some remarks:

• could the links of the edit summaries (containing duplicate or moved to) be made click-able
• when a cat exist but not the article/gallery: a gallery that redirects to the category could be automatically created
• On most lines, it would be nice to have a click-able search field, especially for the gallery level; in categories, we have the "search not in category" tab. --Foroa (talk) 04:23, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

1. I'm not sure what you mean by "the 'search not in category' tab" -- is that a gadget? But I think I could add a search link reasonably easily. --R'n'B (talk) 17:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, that is an option in preferences/gadgets/Tools for categories Add a link to category pages to search for the category name with the option "-incategory". It can facilitate the search for categories with similar names, but in this case, the files should probably better excluded form the search so you might come up with a better search command. --Foroa (talk) 07:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

2. Creating gallery redirects automatically might not be the best solution in some cases; for example, it would create Chow Chows as a redirect to Category:Chow Chows, when the gallery Chow Chow would be a better choice. This perhaps should be left to human decision. --R'n'B (talk) 18:18, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

You are right for such items, but I guess for species and city categories, it could be done like that, but that is getting a bit difficult for a bot. It could be left potentially as a suggested click-able gallery create command (that fills in the proper redirect, but leaves the choice to the operator to save it or not), but I guess that is pushing the system too much. --Foroa (talk) 07:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)--Foroa (talk) 07:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Great, I guess that is the maximum we can display. The search would probably be more effective when it includes only galleries and categories and excludes files to make it in fact independent from the user settings. --Foroa (talk) 11:40, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Please see Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Category_moves:_A_friendly_request. Might help. Any news ? --Foroa (talk) 16:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't had much time to work on this lately, and probably won't for at least another week. --R'n'B (talk) 12:42, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Stalled ? --Foroa (talk) 15:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

More like side-tracked. I have to go back and remember what it was that I was trying to fix. I think I can generate the reports easily enough, but modifying them to allow auto-correction of any problem is much more complex. --R'n'B (talk) 15:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

In the light of a discussion of the pros/contras of category redirects, I would pretty much like to see such a list of a couple of major wikipedias.

Would auto-correction of redirected or moved categories be a problem (from data link in the deletion summary) ?

Any idea how wikidata will fit in all that; after all, wikidata could/should contain pointers to Commons. --Foroa (talk) 16:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I've started running reports, starting with the smallest Wikipedias and working up to the bigger ones, see Special:Contributions/RussBot.

Auto-correction needs to have very specific parameters for how to determine the new category and how to make the correction. And even then I need to give it some further thought.

As for Wikidata, I have no idea. --R'n'B (talk) 21:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. RussBot seems to have been locked up, but what I can see already, is that 50 % to the large majority are references that never worked before. It would be a shame not to exploit or communicate that information.

An idea might be to do the simple corrections by bot and for the more complex ones, post a message on the talk page of the related item (could be tested with a smaller batch). Another idea for some cases might be the simple creation of a gallery page that redirects to the related category: even when not 100 % accurate; it is better than a red link. Very interesting indeed. --Foroa (talk) 07:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The lists are building up nicely, only the 9 largest wikipedias left. It would be nice if the list would be concluded by the number of total Commons references checked and reported. --Foroa (talk) 06:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

May need bot to empty hard redirects too

Note: See section higher up also: #Hard redirects of category names

Please see:

• Template talk:Category redirect#This template is no longer necessary
• Bugzilla:5346 - "make category redirects appear as italics or different colored links". This is for hard redirects: #REDIRECT. See implementation info at bottom of comment thread.
• Gerrit change #40781.

For more discussion see the redirect discussions currently at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard, or search for "redirects" in the archives once the discussions are moved there. --Timeshifter (talk) 14:01, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Template {{Category redirect}} can only be removed when hard redirects are extensively tested with all tools, especially with items "hanging" in redirected categories. A special non empty category redirects for such cases will be needed. --Foroa (talk) 18:07, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

See redirect discussions at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard. --Timeshifter (talk) 01:24, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Commons discussions have been moved here:

Commons:Requests for comment/Hard category redirects REDIRECT --Timeshifter (talk) 12:44, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Retaining old maintenance pages ...

I am wondering whether there is value in retaining old maintenance pages like User:RussBot/Broken Commons links/nowiki/001. Such a page is now causing misleading matters due to the number of red links. Are we able to blank such pages after a period of time?  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:42, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, they were all red links when the page was generated; that was the whole point. But I see what you mean. Would it be more useful to delete the report, or to update it? --R'n'B (talk) 02:33, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Tip: PD-Art tags

Ok. Thanks for the tip. --YukioSanjo (talk) 11:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Self-referential categories

When updating categories, the bot should ensure that the new category is not the same as the current category, otherwise it creates an infinite self-referential category tree. An example is this edit, in which the category Purple stamps was updated to change category membership from Violet stamps to Purple stamps. The bot should simply delete the category in such circumstances. Mindmatrix 13:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for editing and placing the images in the right category :) --Orientalist1979 (talk) 18:03, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Ukrainians say - Kyiv, the occupiers - Kiev

--Ejensyd (talk) 18:15, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• Please read this before posting about User:RussBot: If the bot moved pages out of one category into another one, it did so because the first category contains a {{Category redirect}} template. The bot did not put that template there; a Commons user did. The bot does not create any category redirects, nor does it have any way of determining whether they are correct or not; that has to be done by humans. If you think the first page should not be a redirect, or should be redirected to some other target, you can either change it yourself, or discuss it with the user who put the template there in the first place. R'n'B (talk) 10:46, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Category:Images

Some of the edits, e.g. this one are putting images in Category:Images which probably should contain no files at all. Alan Liefting (talk) 08:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

The file was previously in Category:Pictures and images, which is a redirect to Category:Images. Either the redirect is an error, or the file was incorrectly categorized to start with. The bot just follows existing redirects; it doesn't make categorization decisions. --R'n'B (talk) 11:15, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know all that. Category:Pictures and images and Category:Images should not have any files in them and the bot is shuffling them from one to another. Any files placed in Category:Pictures and images would need an actual human to recategorise them. Can you remove the rule that the bot used in transferring files from Category:Pictures and images to Category:Images? Alan Liefting (talk) 17:52, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Not exactly. The "rule" is that if the page is in a category that contains a {{Category redirect}} template, it gets moved to the redirect target. You're basically asking me to hard-code a special exception for this one category. I'm not sure what that accomplishes. Why is it any harder for a human editor to review files that are in Category:Images than it is for the same editor to review files that are in Category:Pictures and images? --R'n'B (talk) 20:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Non-empty category redirects

Hi, coul our bot please could null-edit or (force?) purge all entries in this category. Currently there are more then 1000 entries, maily because I went manually through Category:Category redirects an null-edited all cats with any entry since some days. Other users (mainly ‎Wieralee) used cat-a-lot to move the entries across. Today I nociced that your bot was working on non-empty cat-redirects again. So I will stop my manual check for now. In generall it woul be nice if the bot could "poke" the category-redirect after it got emtied, that would force to throw them out of Category:Non-empty category redirects. Thx a lot. --JuTa 19:22, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Done. There was a huge backlog because the bot had been malfunctioning for two months. --R'n'B (talk) 21:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

many thanks. --JuTa 22:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

blanking of File:Շմավոն Շմավոնյան.jpg by user:RussBot

What happen with this edit?--Jarekt (talk) 13:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I found a handful of others like it, and reverted them all. But I'll have to investigate further to find the cause. --R'n'B (talk) 12:39, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Miniature painting

I'm confused by your reversion of this category redirect; the target Category:Miniatures is not a disambiguation page, but instead a well-populated parent category (the subcategories of which also follow the naming of the parent, such as Category:Miniatures by century, Category:Miniatures by museum‎, etc.). On the other hand, miniature painting, the "main article" listed for Category:miniature painting, is a disambiguation page at en.wiki. Postdlf (talk) 23:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

It looks like I made a mistake. Sorry, I've reverted my own edit. --R'n'B (talk) 13:57, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Category:People by name

I fully understand the comment at the top of this page -- the bot simply moves files from category redirects to the redirected category. That's a good service for Commons.

The bot might fairly easily add to its service to Commons by doing some discrimination. In particular, several new images in Cat:People by name were put there by the bot. It seems to me that it would be relatively easy to give the bot as short list of categories which should never be added. Better, but harder, would be to have the bot look at the new cat, and, if it sees the {{Metacat}} tag, simply remove the old cat and not add the new one. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 23:05, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kufic_Mond_nach_Fabris.jpg

Dear RussBot alias R'n'B

It's a pity, two Administators Jochen Burghardt and RussBot reciprocal to revise.

Every Day tausend new files uploades to wiki. Better the resouses to spread.

Dear Jochen Burghardt Wiki Commons invite the contributors for many search words. Please, is it to simple cancel all. Administrator RussBoot for exampel, change wrong to better search words! I reset to version from RussBot. Thank you Sergio Fabris

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kufic_Mond_nach_Fabris.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kufic_Palindrom_emerit_Sator_nach_fabris.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kufic_Palindrom_Erato_Rapid_Sator_nach_fabris.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kufic_Sator_nach_Fabris.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kufic_Sonne_Sun_nach_Fabris.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kufic_Luna_nach_Fabris.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kufic_Gewalt_Tempest_nach_Fabris.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Palindrom_Erutos_Sator_nach_fabris.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Palindrom_Medico_Sator_nach_fabris.jpg

Calligraphy intend Aesthetic, Geometry, Symmetry, Culture, History, Graphic Art, edugation, abstraction, redux to max, Philosophy, Meditation

Please R'n'B reset to your's version.

Thanks a lot

sorry for my english

Sergio Fabris

• Sorry, I don't see any inconsistency between the bot's edits and those by Jochen Burghardt (talk · contribs). If you disagree with that user's edits, you should discuss it with them. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:09, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Gabriel Van Dievoet, not Gabriel van Dievoet

L'orthographe correcte du nom est fr:Gabriel Van Dievoet, nl:Gabriel Van Dievoet, avec une majuscule à Van, comme l'indique ce document [5], et spécialement sa propre publicité en deuxième page du document pdf. Merci de corriger cette erreur. --H₂O^(talk) 19:03, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:Строения

There's a problem with this category. It gets into Category:Non-empty category redirects, but it is empty. The same is with some another categories, all from your "Russ-Bot" list. It starts on 8th Oct. Maybe you will be able to find a solution...
Have a nice day :-) Wieralee (talk) 22:43, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

You are right, it is empty. But if you look at Category:Non-empty category redirects, it shows as containing 2 files, even though it does not. This is evidently a problem with the Wikipedia software (or database), not with the bot. --R'n'B (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Trentino vs Province of Trento

Hi, your RussBot change all the categories by Province of Trento to Trentino. This transfer was not agreed upon with the Italian language community in Wikimedia Commons and was (and is) a POV. See please the articles in it.wiki it:Trentino (historical region) and it:Provincia di Trento, the istitutional name of italian province by italian leglslation. Can change it, please?--Threecharlie (talk) 12:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

PS: the same problem can be related to othes historic and geographics regions, for example it:Carnia, but isn't related with national territorial subdivision. @Horcrux92: @Steinsplitter: @DenghiùComm: @Blackcat: , all users can confirm this, thanks. :-)--Threecharlie (talk) 12:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

@Threecharlie: Actually there's a precedent: Category:Province of Bolzano redirects to Category:Province of South Tyrol that redirects to Category:South Tyrol (Alto Adige). How do we do? --Horcrux92 (talk) 13:29, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Because Province of South Tyrol not exist, a province of Italy have a name, Provincia di Bolzano, or more correctly "provincia autonoma di Bolzano – Alto Adige in Italian (Autonome Provinz Bozen — Südtirol in German; provinzia Autonoma de Balsan/Bulsan — Südtirol in ladino). The problem is only POV of @Gryffindor: .--Threecharlie (talk) 13:43, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Hispaniola versus Saint-Domingue

Bonjour,

Fichier concerné : c:File:Code noir, ou Édit du Roi, servant de règlement pour le gouvernement et l'administration de la justice, police, discipline et le commerce des esclaves nègres dans la province et colonie de la Loüisianne, 1724.djvu

@Jfniort: User:R'n'B, Vous avez modifié la c:Category:Saint-Domingue en c:Category:Hispaniola. Il me semble que ce n'est pas opportun car le Royaume de France n'a pas promulgué un Code Noir pour Hispaniola qui est avant tout le nom d'une colonie espagnole. Vous pouvez constater la transition ici. [[user:Jfniort nous donnera son avis avant de procéder à une modification en faveur de c:Category:Saint-Domingue. Catégorie qu'il faudrait recréer car la fusion des deux catégories en une seule est source de confusions et d'inexactitudes historiques. --Bel Bonjour, Ambre Troizat (talk) 15:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello. It appears that Category:Saint-Domingue has been a redirect to Category:Hispaniola at least since 2009. My bot did not do this; Commons users did. The bot simply applies the redirect to any pages placed in the former category. I think that the category you wanted is Category:Saint-Domingue (colony). --R'n'B (talk) 21:25, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

en:Category:Living people is Category:People by name on commons

... and NOT Category:People as you did it around 100 times. 2003:45:5C35:C201:38:ED23:B627:A4B0 11:33, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Um, maybe, but Category:Living people on Commons is a redirect to Category:People. So if the bot (I assume you mean the bot, since I didn't change 100 categories using this account) finds a page with the former category link on it, it will change it to the latter. The way to change that, if you don't like it, is to gain consensus to change the target of the redirect. --R'n'B (talk) 19:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

RussBot and BEIC

Hello, for a BEIC batch upload we're going to do a lot of category mapping (see also Commons:BEIC/popular categories) hence Category:Non-empty category redirects will fill a bit. The sooner your bot runs on those categories, the less work is left for humans. Thanks a lot for running this useful bot and let Marco Chemello know how the bot's work can be made easier. Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 08:01, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Wrong Categorization

RussBot keeps changing the category of this image. This is wrong. "Hekkingen" is both the name of a ship and the name of an island, and this is a picture of part of the island. The correct categorization should therefore be "Hekkingen" or "Hekkinga", not "Hekkingen (ship, 1974)". Please ensure that the bot learns of this. --Peulle (talk) 10:51, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Please read the message at the very top of this page. --R'n'B (talk) 11:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I did but was unsure as to whether I had permission to remove a redirect instruction. I take it, then, that I do. Redirect removed. --Peulle (talk) 18:05, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Mistake

see Krapfen is not an ingedent! --Drclausoberloher (talk) 09:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea what this message is about. --R'n'B (talk) 11:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

it about categorization, the bot keeps on changing the category to "ingredients" while Krapfen is a product -> see link above. Check your bot please, maybe it has malfunction or the programming went wrong. Best regards! --Drclausoberloher (talk) 09:16, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Please read the message at the very top of this page. --R'n'B (talk) 10:08, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Change redirected category Unidentified coats of arms to Coats of arms to be classified)

Second time your bot is placing this cat under a IDENTIFIED and CLASSIFIED coat of arms File:NN wapen II - zonder bijschrift.svg. The name SHOULD stay for historic reasons NN. Check it ok? Regards Arch (talk) 12:50, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Please read the message at the very top of this page. --R'n'B (talk) 13:09, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps you should place your message under your talkpage too instead above, or better, errase/move some old messages to an archive. Your message will be better seen, I'm sure. Maybe add some extra languages? I can made you a translation in Dutch if you like, others can do the same in German, French and Spanish. Dont forget that most people are not native English speaking persons (as response to your "can nobody read?" question, almost the same as shouting "Can you see?" among blind people) I only saw your bot doing something twice. I didn't see that someone changed that cat into redirects, If I did, or did read your message why bother you? Arch (talk) 15:02, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Archiving is a good suggestion. As for the visibility of the message, I have exactly the same text in my "edit notice," so anyone who posts on this page should see it at the top of their edit screen. --R'n'B (talk) 15:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, but I (and perhaps many more) scroll immediately. Its a lot of txt, to read very quick. Hearing or reading strange languages is a littlebit like dyslexia, you can close fully for it. Only when you're focus than words are starting to be understandable. The same (I guess) with text, my brains must switch to another language first. I hope that it will made a difference with less messages on your talkpage. Good luck, and have a nice day Arch (talk) 15:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Help requested (bot)

Hi R'n'B, we need your kind help with this request. The interested cluster of images is the most important donation from a famous photographer. Thank you! --Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 10:01, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Incompetent

Traian Square is also in Timișoara. Your moved in Brâila, at the other end of the country. Now I have to waste my time to correct by hand what you made wrong. I put your bot in my blacklist. --Turbojet (talk) 09:52, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Read the message at the top of the page.... And thanks for assuming good faith (not). --R'n'B (talk) 10:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and you didn't even fix it after all that, so I did it for you. --R'n'B (talk) 10:48, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Category redirect

Este asunto ya fue contestado a LINE1. Al crear las páginas de sinónimos se evitan producir ediciones erróneas y evitar pérdidas de tiempo buscando especies que al final solo son sinónimos. Por otra parte, está normalizado como hacerlo y creo que no infringe ninguna regla de commons. ¿Si lo que desea es que no edite sinónimos, podría explicarme los motivos? Saludos.--MILEPRI (talk) 12:28, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, Gracias.--MILEPRI (talk) 15:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Astracantha caucasica

• Astracantha caucasica, está aceptaddo por ILDIS y por The Plant List. Saludos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MILEPRI (talk • contribs) 02:31, 12 May 2015‎ (UTC)

Creating empty category by bot

Hi, your bot recreated the empty category Category:Šafářikova (Litovel), which was probably a mistake. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:24, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. It was a mistake. This has occurred on rare occasions when a category redirect page was deleted while the bot was running. However, the last time it occurred I thought I had found and corrected the problem. I guess I now need to dive back into the code again! --R'n'B (talk) 10:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Your undo for my changes in categories about "Ford Fiesta WRC"

wHY YOU REDIRECT MY CHANGES???? I spent hour for correct other people errors!!! These cars are Ford Fiesta RS WRC not Ford Fiesta WRC!!!! Please undo your moves, or explain why you delete my changes!!!!--Louis.attene (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

• I have no idea what you are talking about. Did you read the message at the top of the page before posting? --R'n'B (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
  • You have no idea? Check your bot first! (before posting) and stop it please!--Louis.attene (talk) 22:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
    • I will ask you a second time -- did you read the notice at the top of this page? --R'n'B (talk) 00:05, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
      • I did! (Did you need i tell you another time?) Your bot is dangerous, and it's not the law!!! stop it! I spent a lot of time because of it!! --Louis.attene (talk) 20:00, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
        • If you had approached me in a polite and collaborative way, I would be inclined to explain things to you in more detail and help work through your issue. But since you prefer to be rude, hostile, and accusatory, I prefer not to engage with you any more. Also, for your future information, my willingness to cooperate with you is inversely proportionate to the number of exclamation points in your messages. Have a good life. --R'n'B (talk) 02:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
          • Turn off the bot, for the love of God...--Louis.attene (talk) 19:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Bot owner?

Hi there. Your bot is doing wrong things, and quite many... --E4024 (talk) 12:10, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I do not see anything wrong in the one diff you gave me. That edit was made in August 2016 (!), and at that time Category:صورة شخصية was a redirect to Category:People of Turkey. The redirect target has since been changed. As for the "quite many," I cannot guess which ones you mean. --R'n'B (talk) 13:19, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Janice & Brianne Image deletion problem

R'n'B, I need your help to back me up on this 2 situations that I've gotten myself into, & it's this. Janice & Brianne's Photos are going to be deleted from the article, so please give them your statement on keeping these images on the Wikipedia common, here are the links to the reportable debates:

• [6]
• [7]

Hope that you can back up on this, cause your voice matters. :( --Norozco1 (talk) 22:18, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry. Copyright is not subject to a vote. --R'n'B (talk) 22:26, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I see, well I just you would be the one who could help me out with this, but I guess I was wrong. :( --Norozco1 (talk) 11:51, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

People of Israel in 19../People of the British Mandate of Palestine in 19..

Hello R'n'B,

People of Israel by year categories for the years before the declaration of the state of Israel are Not anachronism. They are people of Israel that born before the declaration of the state of Israel. Not necessarily people of the British Mandate. However I did not deleted the categories of People of the British Mandate of Palestine in ... in case you want to handle it. -- Geagea (talk) 00:07, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Also, we do have Category:People of HaYishuv that may fit to the definition of people of the British Mandate but they are not people of Israel as they have died before the creation of Israel. -- Geagea (talk) 00:11, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

The parent categories, such as Category:1940 in Israel, are redirected to, e.g., Category:1940 in the British Mandate of Palestine, and have been that way for over 5 years. The category tree should be internally consistent. --R'n'B (talk) 01:12, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

You are correct about that. I'll fix it tommorow. -- Geagea (talk) 01:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

File:Heidelberg - Plöck 66 Gedenktafel Karl Jaspers-001.JPG und anderne

Warum deine Bot kategorie wechseln? Heidelberg-Altstadt ist in Ordnung. Das ist Stadtteile, wie Heidelberg-Bergheim und Heidelberg-Rochrbach. Zwiadowca ²¹ 00:33, 4 December 2017 (UTC)