User talk:Arflhn

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categories

Hi, please do not create redundant category structures (like Category:BLT rolling Stock or Category:Alstom RegioCitadis Kassel) or move categories to non-descriptive names (like Category:T3000/T4000 (Brussels)). Fore more information on the underlying principles of categorisation on Commons, please consult COM:CAT.    FDMS  4    16:17, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I try as much as I can renaming those folder to the most commonly used category standard structures, yet, I wasn't able to rename some folders and I had to manually move each pic.

Yet I use the mostly used category structures

For compagnies Comapany rolling stock/tram or bus model

And for builders Compagny/model name/specialized model ex. Alstom Citadis 301/technical or city name like SNCFU53600 or Citadis 301 (Dublin)

Yet I use the ""model (city name)"" since it's the most widespread structure For exemple for the RegioCitadis Folder this would be

Alstom RegioCitadis (interior) Alstom RegioCitadis (The Hague) Alstom RegioCitadis (Kassel)

Or when a technical name is possible Category:Bombardier Flexity Swift Outlook // Category: T3000/T4000 (Brussels) Category:Alstom Citadis Dualis // Catgeory:SNCF Class U 52500‎ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Bombardier_Flexity_Swift — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dldwg (talk • contribs) 16:46, 07 October 2016 (UTC)

I also intend to put the most precise category

Sorry for my bad English — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dldwg (talk • contribs) 16:49, 07 October 2016 (UTC)

--Dldwg (talk) 16:45, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

First of all, I agree that categories should have names like Alstom RegioCitadis rather than RegioCitadis; thanks for correcting that.

As for categories for specific cities, there are AFAIK two common naming schemes, [model] in [location] (sometimes alternatively [model] trams in [location]) and [model] ([location]). Categories of specific models may use the local model designation instead (like T4000 (Brussels), though due to the lack of descriptiveness this example isn't ideal); however, categories for groups of models should avoid listing each model designation in their name if possible (therefore no T3000/T4000 (Brussels)).

The bottom line is that while Alstom RegioCitadis Kassel is not a category name that is wrong per se, it should not be used without establishing consensus first if the respective category already exists under a different name.

Three more things:

• Unlike on the English Wikipedia, on Commons, using of instead of appending the specification to the title is generally preferred (like Rail vehicles of SBB-CFF-FFS, though the abbreviations should only be used when they're also the name of the respective organisation's main category).
• Please use interiors instead of interior and rail vehicles instead of rolling stock.
• Don't nominate no-longer-in-use category pages for deletion (this potentially breaks many links) – instead, please use {{Catredirect}}.

   FDMS  4    22:51, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi,

I agree with the "Flexity (Brussels)" which is more descriptive and allows sub-categories for each T3000 and T4000 specific models.

"Interiors of Alstom Citadis 301 (Montpellier)" or "Interiors of SNCF U 53650" noted :D and Rails Vehicle as an exemple I made a mistake, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SFM_rolling_stock I can't rename it I'll put a rename tag "SFM rail vehicles" do you agree ?

Thanks for all the advices.

Do you agree with slowly renaming the Citadis familly with a "Alstom Citadis +model" complete name ? I'll use the renaming tag, what do you think ? Dldwg (talk) 03:12, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. I have renamed the SFM category to Rail vehicles of SFM for now, even though it should strictly speaking use the full name instead of the abbreviation (I'm leaning towards favouring using SFM for the main category as well, but that's for another time). I do agree; if you list the categories you would like to see renamed here I can carry out the renames for you. P.S.: While both are common on Commons and therefore acceptable, personally, I prefer [model] in Brussels over [model] (Brussels).    FDMS  4    18:31, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I've seen the "category to move" template you set at the Mercedes O 405 bus. General question how does the official way of spelling by Mercedes look like? I've checked through the subcategories and below. What I noticed there is that we have a tie between both spellings. If we'd moved the parent category I'd think we'd have to move the ones below too to get coherance. No question that it wouldn't be doable but there needs to be a consensus of the community at first before we can take action. --Steinfeld-feld (talk) 19:55, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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BN factory

I reverted your mutation on File:Belgium rail dec 1982 07.jpg because I want to link the BN manufacturing plant to the compagny not the vehicle.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:48, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Not buses

Please dont go on automatic pilot. I have two cases where I had to reverse the mutation, because the picture didnt contain any buses to justify moving to buscategories: File:Gent Dampoort trolley jan 1986.jpg, File:Utrecht eindhalte Nieuwegein tram.jpg.Smiley.toerist (talk) 20:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

My mistake, I apologize. Yet do you agree with the U-OV buses categories ? --Dldwg (talk) 12:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Van Hool AG300 CNG

Hi! Budapest doesn't have Van Hool AG300 CNG buses. Kemenymate (talk) 19:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC) Hi,

Indeed, I asked for help on sorting out the New and classic Van Hool articulated buses yet I made a mitsake as there are only a few CNG Van Hool buses in service.

Thx for correcting me.

Dldwg (talk) 20:04, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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And also:

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Stac

Salut,
Je vois que tu as ré-abandonné la classification des véhicules par réseau. Est-ce que tu pourrais du coup envisager de remettre les photos dans les anciennes catégories?
Merci par avance. Bonne soirée, à+ --Lev. Anthony (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Lev. Anthony: , corrigé. Dldwg (talk) 21:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup.
Bonne journée et bonne continuation. --Lev. Anthony (talk) 02:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Stop

Stop nominating smaller images for deletion, use Template:Duplicate instead.--BevinKacon (talk) 20:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

No you doing it wrong, it's {{Duplicate|File:smaller_image.jpg}}.--BevinKacon (talk) 21:15, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

@BevinKacony: I use the template Duplicate on the files that need to be deleted as explained on the template description page...
Strangely the French template description ask not to use the "File:" prefix.
Is this version fine ?
{{Duplicate|File:the_correct_one.jpg|reason}}
Dldwg (talk) 21:24, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

You edit the bad small image you want to delete, and link to the big image as proof it can be deleted. No need to provide reason.--BevinKacon (talk) 21:25, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, noticed, thanks for the help.

Dldwg (talk) 21:26, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

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"Premetro"

Stop adding premetro categories to system that are not premetro. Legacy streetcar tunnels in the US, like Boston and Philadelphia, were built solely to get trams off surface streets and were never intended for metro conversion. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi,

Why is the article referring to those networks is the Premetro one ?

I totally agree whith you as those tunnels where not meant for metro conversion however is there any other word which English speakers use for this kind of tram tunnel which was not light rail at the time and not premetro ? I often find US or UK people talking about premetro referring to those networks (while they're not I Know)...

Germans are more precise as they use U-Strassenbahn for those kind of networks.

Dldwg (talk) 13:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

The premetro article has long contained unsubstantiated original research that claimed almost any streetcar tunnel to be "premetro". I have updated the article with a source that explicitly notes Boston as not being a premetro. And "streetcar tunnel" or "tram tunnel" would be the common usage in English. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Ligne B à Douai en projet

Je viens de tomber sur cet article de La Voix du Nord qui présente le projet de seconde ligne, et il y a une carte. Bon, ça serait mieux un tram, c'est ce que je viens d'expliquer à une élue. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 18:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Salut à toi,

Ça fait des années qu'ils en parlent et d'ailleurs le discours n'a pas changé, ils parlaient déjà à l'époque d'une ligne non-BHNS avec juste quelques priorités aux feux.

Ldgdps (talk) 18:13, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

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Region of Flanders renaming

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If you do wish to separate these two entities, the flag is specifically the flag of the Flemish Community (see the official website and the decree) and not the Flemish Region. Tom-L (talk) 20:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Flanders is not only a Belgian Region or Community so as to avoid confusion with the County of Flanders, the French Flanders and other use of this word it is better if we use Flemish Region or any other term like Flemish Government or Flanders (Belgium), Flemish Government or Flanders (Belgium) seem the most appropriate.

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Renaming File:Bastion et porte Cardon (1).jpg and File:Bastion et porte Cardon (2).jpg

Hi, the parameters were incorrect, so I had to change them, otherwise I had to decline the renaming. So I hope you can restore it yourself, if neccessary. Thanks, - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 10:22, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Rename are perfect, sorry if I have mistaken.

However for the source and permission, please leave the templates as they were, that's the condition I was granted to use those files, and I'm not the author of those photographs.

Greetings,

Ldgdps (talk) 10:28, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Then I had to decline them, because of all the errors, so that's what I mean with "I hope you can restore it yourself, if (when) neccessary". - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 21:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Categories for singular objects are not renamed in english

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New Marmon-Herrington category

How is your creation of Category:Marmon-Herrington TC – as a subcategory of Category:Marmon-Herrington trolleybuses – helpful, given that all Marmon-Herrington trolleybuses were TC-prefixed models? Your new subcats for TC48, TC49, etc. can just be listed within the previously existing Category:Marmon-Herrington trolleybuses, without any need for a general "TC" subcat (which adds an extra step for many users). Steve Morgan (talk) 09:57, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

The category is linked to the article on fr.Wikipedia and is the proper name for the vehicle. Instead removing Marmon-Herrington trolleybuses* seems more logical to me as Marmon-Herrington only produced one trolleybus model.

• And putting the Marmon-Herrington TC cat in the Marmon-Herrington vehicles cat.

--Ldgdps (talk) 12:17, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

"Marmon-Herrington trolleybuses" is a descriptive category name, and descriptive category names are always more important than category names that use proper names, in order to make Commons usable to people who are unfamiliar with the subject and whose English is limited. That's why Category:Trolleybuses by brand has more than 100 categories with names formatted as "[manufacturer name] trolleybuses". We cannot, and should not, assume that anyone looking for images in a given Commons category is already well familiar with the subject. Category names that use proper names are certainly OK on Commons, but are always a subcategory of a cat name that uses a basic descriptive term (in this case "trolleybuses"). Also, I believe your statement that "TC" is the proper name for Marmon-Herrington trolleybuses is mistaken. As far as I have seen, TC is simply part of the model number designations Marmon used. I have never seen "TC", by itself, used as a formal reference to Marmon-Herrington trolleybuses in any books, magazine articles, or even in advertisements published by the company itself. Just the fact that someone on French Wikipedia used it does not make it correct. Steve Morgan (talk) 10:15, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Steve is entirely correct here. There's no evidence that "TC" was a specific brand (compare, for example, Category:New Flyer Xcelsior), rather than simply the prefix of the model number. I have deleted the superfluous category. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

That's fine then,

Ldgdps (talk) 22:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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Double categories

There are now two very similar categories:

• Category:Indicateur officiel été 1933/Officiële reisgids zomer 1933 SNCB/NMBS

• Category:Chemins de fer belges, Indicateur officiel 1933

Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:51, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Erreur de ma part, je corrige de suite, je garde le second qui est bilingue fr nl.

Ldgdps (talk) 23:53, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Renommage de catégorie

Bonjour,

Puis je savoir ce qui a justifié le renommage suivant : Category:Rue_Casimir_Lambert_(Charleroi) vers Category:Rue Lambert (Charleroi).

La rue près du parc Lambert à Charleroi (6000) est bien la rue Casimir Lambert. Il y a aussi une rue Louis Lambert, Max Lambert et Paul Lambert dans d'autres section de la commmune.

Bien à vous.

--H₂O^(talk) 14:22, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Pardon, par habitude pour toujours entendre rue Lambert et non Casimir Lambert probablement du fait que le parc est appelé aussi Lambert et non rue Lambert. Mais on peut remettre Casimir Lambert tant que les rues sont classées par nom de famille pour plus de clarté ça me va.

Pour les homonymes, l'habitude est d'utiliser le nom de la section et non le nom de la commune sous laquelle la section a été fusionnée.

Amicalement,

Arflhn (talk) 14:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

PS : je n'avais pas vu ton dernier message sur #Catégorie streets and squares, n'hésites pas si tu veux de l'aider pour classer les photos.

Arflhn (talk) 14:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Merci pour l'explication. Comme tu peux le voir ici, les rues sont bien classées selon l'ordre alphabétique du nom de famille. Comme c'est l'habitude en Belgique. Contrairement à la France où la rue aurait comme nom rue Casimir-Lambert, classé à la lettre C.

Es-tu de Charleroi ?

Bonne continuation.

--H₂O^(talk) 14:46, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

PS : j'ai tendance à classer les photos au fur et à mesure des téléversements. Et concernant Charleroi, j'ai un bon suivi mis à jour par bot pour les nouvelles entrées (User:Jmh2o/recent_uploads/Charleroi). --H₂O^(talk) 14:52, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Catégories bus Belges

Le movement vers 'TEC contractors' et 'De Lijn contractors', je comprens, mais la disparition de l'information sur le type de bus n'est pas acceptable.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Je suis d'accord, mais je devais d'abord terminer un autre boulot et ajouter 1 fichier ou deux.

Arflhn (talk) 11:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

J'ajoute aussi les catégories: Buses in Belgium photographed in xxxx.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Add locations to station categories

I have added the deleted location categories mentioned in the files to the categories: 'Champlon station', 'Meersel-Dreef station' and 'Meeffe station'. When creating station categories can you check if there is a specific location category? (more than the railway line category)Smiley.toerist (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I usually copy-paste those categories, yet sorry for those, if you upload new pics of NMVB stations or depots don't hesitate to ask me for help when sorting those, I try to sort all files in SNCV/NMVB depots, but this is time consumming.

You can also check here for a list of stations.

Greetings,

Arflhn (talk) 20:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist:  : pour info c'est toi qui tiens ce site ?

Please give images better names

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West-Vlaanderen en Antwerpen NMVB

Category:Former vicinal railway lines in the Antwerp Province en Category:Former vicinal railway lines in West Flanders Province zijn nu aangevuld met verplaatste beelden uit de hoofdcategorie. Misschien nieuwe buurtspoorlijnen definiëren? Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Salut,

Si je comprends bien tu veux créer de nouvelles catégories ?

Arflhn (talk) 15:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Comme vous avez recament réorganisé les catégories vicinal dans le Commons, je vous laisse faire, si ca vous parrait utile. Je n'ai pas le besoin de créerer de catégories plus specifique.Smiley.toerist (talk) 17:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, j'essai à chaque fois de relier une photo à sa ligne d'origine en reprenant le format que tu utilisais "Remains of .... tram line" et je la relie à sa ligne ex. avec Category:Remains of Antwerp - Hamme tram line qui est dans Category:Tram line Antwerp - Hamme. Mais je fais ça au fur et à mesure que j'avance dans la classification des lignes. Si tu prends des photos tu n'as qu'à les mettre dans la province et je m'occuperais de les trier si tu veux te faciliter la tâche ?

Arflhn (talk) 18:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Ligne N (Gent-Nevele-Ruiselede)

Sur un autre sujet, j'ai relié la plupart des articles fr/nl à un Wikidata. Ceci à l'exception de ces trois articles : nl:Buurtspoorlijn Gent-Nevele-Ruiselede, nl:Tramlijn 377 (NMVB)/Oost-Vlaanderen et nl:Tramlijn N (NMVB)/Oost-Vlaanderen, qu'est-ce que tu penserais de les fusionner car ils traitent de la même ligne Gent - Ruiselede, la partie Gand - Nevele a été électrifiée sous l'indice N et l'autorail donnait correspondance à l'électrique à Nevele Dépôt, il ne s'agissait donc pas de deux lignes mais bien d'une partie restée en traction autonome qui donnait correspondance à l'électrique et de plus ils gardaient le même tableau 377.

Je viens de mettre tout dans 'Buurtspoorlijn Gent-Nevele-Ruiselede' avec des 'redirect'. Une complication est que en expliotation la ligne 377 continuet jusqua Tielt (ligne kapital 6) jusque on 1953. Sur la carte Ruiselede - Tielt doit etre marqué '377' au lieu de '344'.Smiley.toerist (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hello Arfln, thanks for uploading postcards. Maybe you are interessted in COM:WPPC. I see you create many new categories like Category:EDL (publisher) and Category:A. Bougault (publisher). But we have on Commons allready categories for this publishers: See Category:E. Le Deley and Category:Alexandre Bougault. I think you missunderstanding the english word "Postal cards". For me a "Postal card" has a stamp printed on it and they are sold by postal authorities. So you create this new Category:Postal cards by publisher. But this all private publishers! All private publisher make "normal" postcards (See in Category:Postcards by publisher). Do you understand? @Cquoi, William Ellison, and Rc1959: Maybe you can help User:Arflhn by this problem in french language. Thanks. -- sk (talk) 12:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Arflhn, @Cquoi, William Ellison, and Stefan Kühn: . Yes, Alexandre Bougault is a beautiful photograph but not a postcard, as far as I can tell. Kind regards. Rc1959 (talk) 12:23, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Arflhn, @William Ellison, Stefan Kühn, and Rc1959: , Bravo pour ton travail, mais je me permets de répondre à la demande de Rc1959 afin de t'aider à faire la différence entre postal card et postcard. Le terme postal card correspond à un entier postal pré-timbré vendu par la Poste : ne pas confondre avec postcard, carte postale vierge sur laquelle on colle un timbre. Souhaites-tu que nous déplacions pour toi les cartes dans les bonnes catégories ? Si tu as des problèmes avec l'anglais, n'hésite pas à me demander. Cordialement Cquoi (talk) 13:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Stefan Kühn, Rc1959, and Cquoi: I will correct my mistake now,

However for some categories, there should be a propper name, Postcards published by E. Le Deley should be Postcards published by Ernest Le Deley and E. Le Deley should be Ernest Le Deley (publisher/publishing).

Arflhn (talk) 14:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Arflhn, at the begin in March 2020 there was no good structure in the Category:Postcard. So we clean the structure and we start to build new categories like "Postcards published by ...", but we can also improve this. Be free and improve the structure in this category. If you have questions, then ask us at Commons talk:WikiProject Postcards. Thanks for your correctings. Best regards from Dresden, Germany. -- sk (talk) 14:35, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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Tabellen 348

Ik heb de files: File:SNCB NMBS official timetable summer 1933 348 1.jpg File:SNCB NMBS official timetable summer 1933 348 2.jpg File:SNCB NMBS official timetable summer 1933 348 3.jpg opgeladen. Je kan ze opknippen en aparte files van maken. Tabel 348 is een beetje een vergaarbak van alle kustbuurtspoorwegen rondom Veurne.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:22, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Ik ga 'File:SNCB NMBS official timetable summer 1933 348 7.jpg' hernoemen naar 'File:SNCB NMBS official timetable summer 1933 349 1.jpg'. Verder ga ik de tabellen in spoorboek volgorde scannen.Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC) @Smiley.toerist: , Kunnen we ze vanaf het begin op pagina sorteren om het probleem te voorkomen als u dat wilt? (dit is gedeeltelijk google trad, excuseer me als er fouten zijn), ex. SNCB NMBS official timetable summer 1933 348 p61 (1) ; SNCB NMBS official timetable summer 1933 348 p61 (2) ; SNCB NMBS official timetable summer 1933 348 p62 (...)

Wat betreft scannen, als u het uzelf gemakkelijker wilt maken, kunt u alle bestanden in een tijdelijke map plaatsen, zonder zelfs maar een beschrijving te plaatsen, dat alles en ik kan ervoor zorgen dat ze worden geknipt, gesorteerd en de beschrijving en de bron worden toegevoegd date als je wilt?

Arflhn (talk) 10:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Tabellen 349 t/m 355

Zijn toegevoegd.Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:04, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hernoemen van categorieen

Ik merk dat je veel categorienamen hernoemd hebbt en nu beperkt is tot het tabelnummer. Wel handig als je dan de oude omschrijving overneemt in het omschrijvingveld van de categorie. Voorbeeld die ik nu heb aangepast: Category:Tram line 296 timetables (Brussels). Verder moet het voor de leek gemakkelijk gemaakt worden om het tabelnummer te vinden. Een kaart van de provincie met de lijnnummer in thumb formaat bij de categorie (bij de omschrijvingsdeel). Mensen die met Google zoeken komen dan eerder met een resultaat.

Ik zal zodra ik tijd heb nog andere 1933 dienstregelingen scannen. Eerst de kuststreek afronden en dan kunnen wij aan Luik beginnen.Smiley.toerist (talk) 17:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Een voorbeeld van een aanpassing: mod Category:SNCV/NMVB Brabant tram lines. Daarbij heb ik de Engelse label in Wikidata aangepast zodat het Franse en Nederlands artikel gevonden wordt.Smiley.toerist (talk) 08:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist:

[Google Trad]Dag,

Ja, om de naam van Wikipedia-artikelen, of ze nu Frans of Nederlands zijn, en de Commons categorieën te harmoniseren, nam ik de vorm aan die voor artikelen in het Nederlands werd gebruikt, wat mij het eenvoudigst leek.

Ok om de kaart in de categorie te plaatsen, ik doe dit meteen ;-)

Aan de andere kant verlaat ik wat betreft de beschrijving liever de categorieën schema's ex. Tramlijn H dienstregelingen (Oost-Vlaanderen) leeg en eerder in de hoofdcategorie ex. Tramlijn H (Oost-Vlaanderen) vervolledigt Wikidata om de eenvoudige naam ex. Tramlijn H (Oost-Vlaanderen) en hebben de naam volledig in de beschrijving van de Wikidata ex. H tramlijn Antwerpen - Hamme, je kunt hier een voorbeeld zien https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tram_line_467A_(Li%C3%A8ge) die zoekopdrachten op dezelfde manier vergemakkelijkt (en wetende dat er altijd omleidingen zijn met volledige naam)

Arflhn (talk) 12:34, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

EDIT : pour les Wikidata j'utilise toujours la même forme :

Nom : identique au nom Commons ;

Description : ligne de tramway X terminus1 - terminus2

J'essai au maximum de compléter en français anglais et néerlandais mais n'hésites à me corriger ou à compléter pour le néerlandais

Brugse tramlijnen

Ik heb twee bestanden toegevoegd:

• File:Dienstregeling zomer 1933 tabel 331 en 333.jpg
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Ik heb de bladzijden met de lijnen 338, 342, 344 en 345 opnieuw gescand zonder te weten dat die al opladen zijn. Wel zijn die nu zwart-wit gescand en met 300 bpi. Als je het nodig vind kan ik ze ook opladen in de Commons.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:56, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

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PCC 10409

Goedendag Arflhn, dank voor het plaatsen van foto's van het interieur van PCC 10409 op Commons. Ik zie dat uw Nederlands beter is dan mijn Frans. Ik heb een vraag. De PCC's 10395-10418 hebben plooideuren en een iets smallere deuropening dan andere PCC's van het Amerikaanse model (bijvoorbeeld die in Den Haag). Daardoor zijn de voorruiten symmetrisch in plaats van de afgeschuinde rechter voorruit in Den Haag, maar ook blijft tussen deurpost en voorruit een blinde strook over van 30 à 40 cm in het uitzicht van de bestuurder naar rechts. Nochtans zijn deze trams tussen 1950 en nu nooit van een extra buitenspiegel voorzien. Is dit door trambestuurders (bijvoorbeeld bij de Asvi) ooit als een probleem erkend, of zie ik spoken en is er geen probleem? Dank en groet, Hartenhof (talk) 09:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

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@Ytoyoda:

Same threat as below, do you want to do your job? Go ask him, I don't have to prove to you that I'm neither a liar nor a thief. I received his permission to use any of his photos to illustrate Wikipedia articles.

None of your threats seem to be based on the Commons: Licensing which is an official policy, which has always been my bible and will remain so.

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Is Commons:Volunteer Response Team an official policy ? No it's not.

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@Ytoyoda: Je suis le propriétaire du document, je l'ai uploadé sur Commons, l'auteur est inconnu malgré des recherches.

- Sur quelle règle s'appuie ta menace de suppression ? Aucune n'est citée dans ton message de menace.

- Par ailleurs avant de foncer tête baissée façon robot, prend le temps de lire "Auteur inconnu" et de réfléchir à ta menace "mais il n'existe aucune preuve que l'auteur a bien donné son accord pour placer son image sous la licence en question"... Veux-tu que je te trouve l'existence ou la non-existence de Dieu pendant qu'on y est ?

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@Arflhn: If the author is "unknown", how do you know the license? And how is a photograph published in 1955 have a Creative Commons license? Ytoyoda (talk) 15:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

I own the photograph but I'm not the photographer, it looks pretty simple to me...

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I am awaiting for your response. — Tulsi Bhagat ^{[ contribs | talk ]} 03:10, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@Tulsi Bhagat: , I have work to finish this week but I'll adress this problem this week-end.

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Tramway de Lille

Bonjour. Avez-vous fait une faute? Je vois que vous avez mis "en service" sur "retrait" dans l'infobox. Le retrait de ces rames c'est en fait 2024 ou 2026. Cordialement : Météor de Niort (talk) 12:12, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Ligne Cognac/St Jean d'Angély

Salut,

Pour réaliser la carte (dont le tracé a été légèrement simplifié par endroits poir la rendre plus lisible) je me suis appuyé du site Archélogie ferroviaire (http://archeoferroviaire.free.fr/v31/spip.php?article90) qui a fait un travail remarquable quand au tracé exact de l'ensemble des lignes de chemin de fer en France. Une carte générale couvrant toute la France métropolitaine est également disponible. Concernant l'emplacement des stations, je me suis servi de géoportail pour leur localisation.

Respectueusement, Rail Projet Rail Projet (talk) 16:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Bus categories

Dear Arflhn

Could you please take a break from the moving of all the Movia and Copenhagen bus categories? My watchlist is drowning at the moment because you are moving several hundreds of my pictures. And is it really necessarry to have complicated category names like Category:Keolis Danmark VDL Citea SLE-120 8430-8438 on bus line 14 (Copenhagen) ? --Dannebrog Spy (talk) 19:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Dannebrog Spy: you ask me if these categories by line and by type of rolling stock are useful and yet it is you who created a good part of them. I have never seen any other network with this type of categories, a category for the line and another for the rolling stock is quite enough from my point of view.

To go further, are the categories "Keolis buses in Copenhagen" or "Arriva buses in Copenhagen" useful? These are nationwide businesses, why not just sort by type of rolling stock like the majority of other networks do. Arflhn (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

For lines with many pictures it can be useful to have subcategories for the separate types of buses. It helps to keep the overview, particular when a line get a new type of buses. But I would usually not create a subcategory just for one or two pictures.

As for Category:Keolis buses in Copenhagen and Category:Arriva buses in Copenhagen it could probaby be done in another way. --Dannebrog Spy (talk) 20:41, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Dannebrog Spy: for those who don't known about the bus types it's of any use, furthermore it is less convenient, for example unless you know the VDL Citea CLE-137 is older than the XLE-137, you must click on each sub-category then check the date to know which bus type is the older one.

One alternative would be to use the date as a sorting key [[Category:Bus line 230R|YYYY-MM-DD]], example here, it does require much time to do but you get one sorted folder and avoid sub-categories.

I'm fine with either one or another.

Regarding the Arriva and Keolis categories I'm not sure they are of any use, those are natiowide businesses, the buses are the property of those companies and they have their own rolling stock categories. Another way to do it could be to add a category for the operator on the bus line category, on the Category:Bus line 230R page we could add a [[Category:Movia bus line operated by Keolis/Arriva/De Blaa...]] and add this category to the matching operator category (example here).

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Move from Tram routes numbered xxxx to Tram routes designated xxxx

After de move from Trams on route xxxx to Tram routes numbered xxxx, on wich I have my doubts if its was necessary, the move to designated is step to far. Localy the tram operators use a nummering system for all lines, so the verb numbered is much more appropiate. Futhermore only the files where moved not the local categories under wich most files are moved. Could you reverse the latest move?Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Example of subcategories not moving along: Category:Tram routes numbered 20. I notice you already have done a lot of work on designated. It is better to consult before starting a big reordening operation.Smiley.toerist (talk) 09:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Smiley.toerist:

I already moved categories from "Trams on route XXX" to harmonize the name of the categories between the various modes of transport. I also took the opportunity to add as far as possible a sorting by country (ex) and a parent category "Public transport route by designation"(ex).

I chose "designated" to have a standard category name for numbers, which are indeed the most common, but also letters and those using both letters and numbers. This poses no problem for users who can still put the old formats "Buses/Trams on route XXX" or "Bus/Tram routes numbered XXX" which will automatically redirect them to this standardized category.

As for files and categories, a bot automatically removes redirects, it can take a few days or weeks in general.

Ok to open the discussions, even if it means going back to "designated". What is the place for this? I imagine that the public transport projects of the nl/fr Wiki cannot be suitable?

Arflhn (talk) 10:42, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

EDIT : an alternative method could be to use designated for letters and letters and numbers and numbered for numbers, this can be done by modifying the model used to categorize. The parent categories (Bus/Tram/Public transport routes by) should however use designated as they combine these two types of categories.

(talk page stalker)

@Smiley.toerist: I for one (and you know I’m often vehement against changes in tram-related categorization!) can see the idea behind "designated" instead of "numbered" and I agree with it. Even though most routes are labelled with numerical designations, often there's also letters (most often trailing, some leading). Not to mention things like slashed numerals or routes named for colors (a recent trend, but not something fully new — e.g. the Lisbon horse trams of the 1870s, with a dozen routes identified by colors). So, I kinda like this change.

(Although I am sure that futurely we will need to recreate all those Category:Trams on route XX, as subcats of these new ones, to separate images of trams from generic media about each route, like photos of halt shelters, timetables, maps etc.)

On the other hand, I must ask @Arflhn: to pelase, oh please, do not jsut move categories to new names, but also move their contents from the old to the new ones: It’s very easy to do with HotCat. Awaiting a bot to get it done takes a few days and means other editors will be meanwhile mistified when using Cat-a-lot etc.

-- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 19:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

And another request, @Arflhn: Stop removing the example image like you did in this edit: If you cannot implement example images in your newly designed template, with all its reduced functionalities, maybe ask for help. I will now reinstate the lost functions; other users in my stead would be dropping your name at AN/U. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 09:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Tuvalkin

Are the pictures helpful in these categories ?

Thanks for the update of the Route by designation template.

As for Catalot, for renaming, a gadget like the Wikipédia:fr CatRename would be usefull on commons. Do you think we could get this gadget to work on Commons ? Arflhn (talk) 00:57, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

• About images: Yes, I think so, although I agree that they are not very important. However, that doesn’t excuse its undiscussed removal. I am glad that the matter is solved.
• (Not really )about Cat-a-lot: The gadget you mention (fr:MediaWiki:Gadget-CatRename.js) seems to do everything that can be made in Commons with HotCat and the "move" command.

-- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 06:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: Hi,

What do you call the "move" command ? Arflhn (talk) 11:46, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

This. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 12:19, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin:

Thanks ! Arflhn (talk) 12:25, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

File:APDCL06165.jpg

Bonjour,

Attention, si l'auteur est décédé en 1953, l'image sera dans le domaine public au 1 janvier 2024, 70 ans révolu après le morte de l'auteur.

Cordialement. H₂O^(talk) 08:42, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Salut @Jmh2o:

Effectivement je viens de regarder, il est mort le 5 décembre 1953. Au vu du nombre de fichiers, je propose de les laisser là pour quelques mois, ça ne vaut pas la peine d'aller tout supprimer pour les ré-uploader dans neuf mois.

Arflhn (talk) 11:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Category:Tram line 63 (Charleroi)

This movement is senseless. Can you fix it? Wieralee (talk) 19:19, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Wieralee Hi,

Fixed, thanks for telling. Arflhn (talk) 21:05, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Nom de catégorie

Quand je vois ceci [1], je trouve que tu complique un peu les choses, non ;) H₂O^(talk) 14:30, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Salut @Jmh2o

On peut toujours ajouté une redirect pour cela. Le but était d'avoir une catégorie plus parlante que "BN LRX XXXX ex.XXXX" souvent dupliqués en "Vehicle XXXX of the Charleroi metro‎", nom qui est incorrect, il n'y a pas de métro à Charleroi, un métro léger, light rail en anglais.

Amicalement Arflhn (talk) 12:55, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

tram-cats

Hi Arflhn, I hesitated to perform you nearly 100 speedies of tram-cats, as you were previously reverted by my colleague Mdaniels5757. Could you eventually explain at User talk:Mdaniels5757#tram-cats why you want them deleted. --Túrelio (talk) 21:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Old Qliner bus lines

This bus line may now have become line 400 but, historicaly it was a qliner bus 365. History has to be respected in categories.

. Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist: Hi,

I've added a 365 (Qliner) redirect and the old designation in the description. As for history the best way to do this is either to use Defautsort with the date as param or as a |param in the category tag (ex).

This is not related but I was going to send a message, do you have any information on the Zutendaal - Lanaken tram route ? I don't see it on route 581 timetable, the tracks did exist but I can't find any service using them. Arflhn (talk) 10:59, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Bus route 58 (De Lijn East Flanders)

Why is this renamed? De buses show clearly the line number 58. Has De Lijn renamed the bus route? What happens to the old bus route 50 (if it exists).Smiley.toerist (talk) 16:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist:

Hi,

Yes since 2024-01-06 route 58 has become 50 and has a new route between Waarschoot and Gent. Bus route 58 is kept as a redirect. Arflhn (talk) 16:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

There was no route 50 in East Flanders. Arflhn (talk) 16:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Speaking of Ghent, a contributor created new Wikidata elements for the Ghent trams and moved the wiki:links to these new wikkidata items considering that the lines are completely new and that there is reason to consider that the old lines are deleted, what do you think? Arflhn (talk) 16:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I am not a Wikidata specialist, but it seems to me that tram lines have a starting date, and there must be a link to the past tram lines under the same number. Minor changes should not lead to new Wikidata item.Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:24, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Categories

Please be more careful with categorizing files. I have reverted a number of your recent edits for several reasons:

• You miscategorized a large number of trams as multiple units. The vast majority of historic trams were not multiple units - they were only equipped for single unit operation. Do not add multiple unit categories unless if was clear that the vehicles were engineered for multiple unit usage.
• You appear to be inventing acronyms that were not widely used (or, in some cases, used at all). Unless an acronym was widely used, such as MBTA or SEPTA, it should not be used in category titles.
• It is not useful to create multiple categories just to house one or few files. In several cases, you created a stack of four new categories for a single file. That's not useful to our users whatsoever.
• You created a number of category loops (where Category A is a subcategory of Category B, and Category B is a subcategory of category A). That should never be done - categories should always be hierarchical. For railroads, the predecessor railroads should be subcategories of their successors, and not vice versa.

Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Good morning @Pi.1415926535: ,

• No I didn't, "multiple units, motor coaches and railcars" is a name widely used for categorizing electric multiple units //comma// motor coaches //and// railcars in single category. It seems that you understood this title as electric multiple units which are also motor coaches which are also railcars and you confuse EMU and MU-capable.
• “Inventing” what is this statement based on?
  • North Carolina Public Service Company - NCPS it's on the streetcar.
  • Boston Elevated Railway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Elevated_Railway
  • Corpus Christi Street & Interurban Railway - CCR it's on the streetcar again.
  • St. Louis & Alton Railway - https://hickscarworks.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-alton-streetcar-story_29.html + Dale Jenkins, The Illinois Terminal Railroad, the road of personalized services, Hart, Missouri, White River Productions inc., 328 p.
  • If the issue is to use the full name rather than the acronym then a simple rename works.
• What is this statement based on?
  • Here is my source Commons:Categories and I don't see anything that supports your point. Maybe this? Commons:Category inclusion criteria, an essay that you present to me as a rule. "None of them [essays] are official policy or guidelines on Commons." Category:Commons essays (Without being sure the rule of 10 is a policy on Wikipedia not Commons.)
  • Here's why I categorize this way :
    • 2.1.2 "The page (file, category) should be put in the most specific category/categories that fit(s) the page (not directly to its parent categories)." as for Birneys, neither "Birney streetcars" or the company category is the most specific category that fits the page.
    • It is convenient : I'm looking for a photo of ITR 101, I don't want to search through the 300 photos on Category:Illinois Railway Museum to find two, that's why we created categories (2.1.2).
    • It's standardized: it uses a single categorization scheme repeated from company to company : rolling stock with subcat electric railcars / passenger cars / locomotives (...)
    • And you broke the hierarchy of Category:Multiple units, motor coaches and railcars of the United States by operator by deleting these categories.
• What is this statement based on? Here is my source Commons:Categories 4.3 "over-categorization is placing a file, category or other page in several levels of the same branch in the category tree." the question I ask myself is the following, does a loop consist of placing a category in two levels of the same branch ? I don't think so. It is a loop and not a hierarchical relationship like a type X locomotive which would be in Amtrack, Amtrack rolling stock and Amtrack electric locomotives. For a violation of the policy, you should rather look in 2.1.1 "There should be no cycles (i.e. a category should not contain itself, directly or indirectly)."... Can these loops be qualified "indirectly", I don't know, the rule is vague on this subject.

I can discuss using the acronym or full company name, it's on a case by case basis. We can discuss the last point of whether loops violate policies. However, I would like you to restore the categories of rolling stock, as there is no need for them to be deleted.

Arflhn (talk) 03:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

An addition to the first point regarding Category:Illinois Terminal Railroad electric multiple units

Classes 226, 404 and 450 are railcars/motor coaches while Streamliners are EMU that's why we use the widely used "electric multiple units, motor coaches and railcars" instead of emu or railcars.

Arflhn (talk) 03:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Addition 2 about the SL&AR Birney streetcars, those were bought by the AG&SL, taken over by the SL&AR in 1926 and again in 1930 by the ITR.

What was the motivation for your changes? None.

I therefore see it necessary to revert these modifications.

Arflhn (talk) 03:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Addition 3 regarding Category:Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railroad electric multiple units : the Electroliner is an EMU, all the others below are railcars/motor coaches so I'm switching to the widely used "electric multiple units, motor coaches and railcars" instead of emu or railcars. As for using the full name or accronym it's up to you.

Arflhn (talk) 03:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Category name: The category name of "multiple units, motor coaches and railcars" is not from American English (which most users of this category would be using), and has some issues:

• "Multiple units" (MUs) are any self-propelled rail vehicles that are configured for multiple unit working. This includes everything from mainline trains, interurbans, metro trains, and even some local trams (most of Boston's post-1900 trams, for example, were configured to operate in 2-3 car trains.)
• "Motor coaches" are buses.
• "Railcars" can mean several different things depending on context and speaker: self-propelled rail vehicles (typically including metro trains), or any passenger-carrying rail vehicle (including unpowered coaches), or specifically single-unit self-propelled mainline rail vehicles (aka doodlebugs). None of the definitions typically include trams.

Because of this, categories for vehicles of countries that use American English should have category names that reflect usage in the dialect. For companies that only operated local trams (such as the Boston Elevated Railway), "trams" is the correct category name; any individual classes that had multiple unit working can also be categorized appropriately. For mainline railroads, the best structure is probably "railcars" for all self-propelled vehicles, with a subcategory of "multiple units" for those specifically. (If the company's only self-propelled cars were MUs, then the intermediate "railcars" category is not needed.)

Interurbans are trickier - they tended to be intermediate between trams and mainline railroads, and it's not always well-documented which vehicles were built for multiple unit working. (Illinois Terminal Class 226, for example, was designed for MU use per the article that the image was sourced from.) It may be best to simply title the category "rolling stock" or "railcars".

Acronyms: Acronyms should only be used in category names for the rare cases where the acronym is as widely used and recognized as the full name - again, MBTA and SEPTA are good examples. The vast majority of railroads will not have acronyms this recognizable - just because it's used on the side of rolling stock (especially as a logo) doesn't mean it's recognizable for a category name. When in doubt, err on the side of using the full name.

I can't find any evidence that "CCR" was used as an acronym for the Corpus Christi system, just the logo. "CNS&M", rather than "CNSM", seems to be the acronym used for the North Shore Line; even then, I don't think it's common enough to use for category titles. It would probably be okay for a parenthetical disambiguator at the end of a category name though.

Multiple categories: By "most specific", that page means "the most specific category currently available", not "the most specific category possible". (For example, the intention is to indicate that File:Electric railway journal (1917) (14759702604).jpg would not go in Category:Trams when Category:Birney streetcars is available.) It doesn't mean that we have to create hyperspecific categories if they're not actually needed.

I don't object to multiple levels of subcategories when they are useful, such as sorting dozens of hundreds of files. However, for cases like Category:Corpus Christi Street & Interurban Railway, there is simply no need for four categories to house a single file, especially if those intermediate categories are only in intersection categories like Category:Rail vehicles of the United States by operator. It's just more categories for users to click through to get to the files they actually want. I would say a good rule of thumb is that a category shouldn't contain just one file or subcategory. If it does, it's probably not providing any benefit to our users. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Good morning @Pi.1415926535: ,

• Yes there are EMU/DMUs and MU-capable railcars or MU-capable EMU/DMU...
• motor coach;
• railcar.

If for the categories specific to trams you want to use trams why not, for the rest I use the English title most used in the world, the categories specific to the USA have existed since 2010, 2015 and 2016* and that has not caused any discussion to my knowledge. * renamed from "Diesel multiple units of the United States" to the current title in 2016 with the reason "according to parent category"... You want to change common usage, start a discussion explaining that in the United States you want to use specific terms, prove your point, until then I'm sticking to common usage.

• I agree.
• Again, what is this statement based on? That is your opinion which is very similar to the rule of 10 of this essay but is not a policy on Commons. I stick to policy 2.1.2 "The page (file, category) should be put in the most specific category/categories that fit(s) the page (not directly to its parent categories).".

Once again if you want to change the policy on the subject, open a discussion, discuss it, prove your point and we'll talk about it again.

Arflhn (talk) 08:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)