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See also: Category:Flags, Category:SVG flags

Other requests[edit]

Former countries, international organizations, etc... -- ChongDae 14:32, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I second those requests. ;) Nightstallion 15:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
See also en:List of flags. -- ChongDae 03:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also subnational entities: Category:US state flags, etc. See Category:State and province flags. User:dbenbenn 16:16, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

These might need cleanup: Image:Flag of Connecticut.svg, Image:Flag of Delaware.svg, Image:Flag of Georgia (U.S. state).svg (depending on where w:Flag of Georgia (U.S. state) ends up), Image:Flag of Idaho.svg, Image:Flag of Illinois.svg, Image:Flag of Iowa.svg, Image:Flag of Kansas.svg, Image:Flag of Kentucky.svg, Image:Flag of Louisiana.svg, Image:Flag of Maine.svg, Image:Flag of Massachusetts.svg, Image:Flag of Michigan.svg, Image:Flag of Minnesota.svg, Image:Flag of Missouri.svg, Image:Flag of Montana.svg, Image:Flag of Nebraska.svg, Image:Flag of New Hampshire.svg, Image:Flag of New York.svg, Image:Flag of North Dakota.svg, Image:Flag of Oklahoma.svg, Image:Flag of Oregon.svg, Image:Flag of Pennsylvania.svg, Image:Flag of Rhode Island.svg, Image:Flag of South Dakota.svg, Image:Flag of Utah.svg, Image:Flag of Vermont.svg, Image:Flag of West Virginia.svg, Image:Flag of Wisconsin.svg
A few need cleanup: Image:Flag of Indiana.svg (the letter alignment), Image:Flag of Mississippi.svg (stars and the blue rectangle), Image:Flag of North Carolina.svg (doesn't work), Image:Flag of Ohio.svg (lines seem strange - is it even symmetrical? plus, it has a transparent border), Image:Flag of Washington.svg (really ugly portrait)
All fixed. Denelson83 09:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to find them. ナイトスタリオン ✉ 10:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Flag of Washington.svg is also pretty ugly, compared to Image:Washington state flag.png. User:dbenbenn 16:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it is. ナイトスタリオン ✉ 19:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Denelson83 09:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Non-sovereign nations: w:Flags of non-sovereign nations. User:dbenbenn 22:37, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fulfilled requests:

  1. Image:Chinese Taipei Olympic Flag.svg (Taiwan's/the Republic of China's Olympic flag) – w:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China#Uses
  2. Image:Flag of Abkhazia.svg – w:Flag of Abkhazia
  3. Image:Flag of Montenegro.svg – w:Flag of Montenegro
  4. Image:Flag of Nagorno-Karabakh.svg
  5. Image:Flag of North Yemen.svg – w:Flag_of_Yemen#Historical_Flags
  6. Image:Flag of Northern Ireland.svg
  7. Image:Flag of Somaliland.svg – w:Flag of Somaliland
  8. Image:Flag of South Ossetia.svg
  9. Image:Flag of Transnistria.svg – w:Flag of Transnistria
    1. The state flag of the Transnistria region is already done in SVG. Zscout370 07:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Image:Flag of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.svg
  11. Image:Olympic flag.svg (Olympic flag) – w:Olympic flag
  12. Image:Flag of South Yemen.svg – w:Flag_of_Yemen#Historical_Flags
  13. Image:Flag of CARICOM.svg – w:Caribbean Community
  14. Image:Flag of Bolivia (state).svg – [1]
  15. Image:Flag of the Midway Islands (local).svg – [2]
  16. Image:Flag of Monaco (state).svg – [3]
  17. Image:Flag of Sint Eustatius.svg – w:Image:Flag of Sint Eustatius.png
  18. Image:Flag of ASEAN.svg – w:ASEAN flag
  19. Image:Flag of SADC.svg – w:Southern African Development Community
  20. Image:Flag of the CIS.svg – w:Commonwealth_of_Independent_States
  21. Image:Flag of EAC.svg – w:East_African_Community
  22. Image:Flag of Tristan da Cunha.svg – FOTW5
  23. Image:Flag of the African Union.svg – w:African Union

Yet even more requests[edit]

There should be an SVG-ization of Category:Flags of ethnic groups as well, especially Image:Flag of Kurdistan.png. —Gabbe 00:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see a problem with that, but we are trying to do nation-states now, then we will focus of the flags of the various ethnic groups. Zscout370 01:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]










Naming conventions II[edit]

Do we have a naming convention for special flags like ensigns, war flags etc? --Kookaburra 13:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet; when we do, we'll have to take care of these images here to standardize 'em. Any proposals? Nightstallion ✉ 14:24, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we could do "Naval Jack of Foobaristan" and "Naval Ensign of Foobaristan," though there are some flags that have a special name, like Image:Andreyevsky Ensign.svg. Zach (Smack Back) 01:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Lowercase, please. "Naval jack of FOO", "Naval ensign of FOO", unless there's some secret reason to capitalize Jack. User:dbenbenn 01:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thats fine. Zach (Smack Back) 03:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
what about Flag of_Nation_Use_Period? e.g.
  • Flag of Afghanistan 2002-2004
  • Flag of Australia_red ensign
--Kookaburra 14:03, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
For Historical flags, what I do is "Afghanistan flag (year of adoption), but I am happy to use "Flag of Afghanistan 2002) if that makes you happy, Kookaburra. Zach (Smack Back) 19:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm with Kookaburra, but I know of some flags that have the use put into parentheses (e.g., Image:Flag of Switzerland (ensign).svg). Should we abandon the parentheses or keep? Just offhand I'd say parenthesesless is simpler. ¦ Reisio 13:18, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, lets ditch the parentheses. Zach (Smack Back) 20:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. —Nightstallion (?) 14:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So Image:Flag of Switzerland, ensign.svg? I think that's fine. I don't like Image:Flag of Switzerland ensign.svg. User:dbenbenn 18:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not crazy about commas, but it wouldn't bother me. ¦ Reisio 04:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it as "Civil Ensign of Switzerland," because that's the established naming convention. -- Denelson83 07:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
FYI en is doing 'Coat of arms...' instead of 'Coat of Arms...' article titles now. I'm going to go ahead and stick to that for files I upload. ¦ Reisio 02:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]




World Flag Database[edit]

Do you think we could get SVG versions of as many flag images as we can from the World Flag Database? -- Denelson83 04:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will see what I can do. Zach (Smack Back) 08:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The World Flag Database appears to be nonfree. They write "©2005 The World Flag Database & Graham Bartram Flag Drawings © Graham Bartram, portions © The Flag Institute & Mario Fabretto". And do they even offer SVG images? User:dbenbenn 18:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It varies - some of their images are free - like the Portuguese flag one, which is clearly just an export from the SVG the government provided. ¦ Reisio 19:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say we should swipe their SVG images directly. What I meant is that we should make our own SVG reconstructions of every flag image available on that site. Denelson83 00:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We can. Pretty much, many UK flags go by a similar template. All we need is the arms image and we should be good to go on many flags. Zach (Smack Back) 00:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So were are we going to get the arms images from, eh? Denelson83 04:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Image:Flag of Costa Rica state.svg[edit]

I tried to create the state flag of Costa Rica, by copying a bitmap (Image:Costa rica coa.png) into the SVG template (Image:Flag of Costa Rica.svg). Obviously it doesn't work - I don't know why. Can someone fix this problem? --Kookaburra 22:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. The PNG image was laced into the image, which made the SVG image broken. I removed it, traced the arms, and it should be fixed now. Zach (Smack Back) 04:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hrmmm...shouldn't that be moved to Image:Flag of Costa Rica.svg and the current Flag of Costa Rica.svg moved to Image:Flag of Costa Rica ensign.svg or something? ¦ Reisio 05:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
While this is the state flag, do we normally use the state flag for the Flag of Foo images? Zach (Smack Back) 06:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. So, it's not possible to embed a png-picture just by copy & paste? --Kookaburra 07:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is, but there's not much point when Zscout's just traced it so nicely for you (granted, it could use some improvement, but the basic image is correct). ¦ Reisio 21:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but how? Using paste & copy, the picture is just a link to a file on my hard disk...
I already tried to trace the picture (In the german Inkscape version, it might be "Bitmap vektorisieren"), but the result was really bad. --Kookaburra 08:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think "Flag of Foo" should be the flag, which may be shown by everyone ("national flag"), not only by the state. From this point of view, it's OK. --Kookaburra 07:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well if you lookup the "flag of Costa Rica", you'll find mostly the flag with the CoA. I was also thinking about how lots of countries have official flags and then civil ensigns...we've always used the nonensign IIRC (like with Switzerland). As I understand it we're trying to represent the country with its official flag, not necessarily the flag people get to use. :p ¦ Reisio 21:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, lets make the move. Zach (Smack Back) 00:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. Even Smith use the flag with the CoA as a "main" flag. But, please post such chances here, that I can correct some corresponding flag articles. --Kookaburra 08:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
/me executes move. Nevermind, too tired atm and I need to refamiliarize myself with at least en's flag template system. So many horrible lists of flags on that one. ¦ Reisio 16:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"As I understand it we're trying to represent the country with its official flag, not necessarily the flag people get to use. :p" — We'll eventually have to go through all flags and check whether we have the correct flag at the correct place, then, though. Perhaps you should make a column in your table, Reisio, for state/civil flag? —Nightstallion (?) 07:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I need to add stuff for obverse/reverse for flags that differ, too - and for hoist side. ¦ Reisio 16:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Other than Paraguay's flag, which has a different reverse than the obverse, everything should be fine. Zach (Smack Back) 00:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Image:Flag of Bolivia (state).svg[edit]

This should probably be deleted after being uploaded to Image:Flag of Bolivia.svg, then the old file at Image:Flag of Bolivia.svg should be moved to Image:Flag of Bolivia ensign.svg or something. Similar to what should be done with Costa Rica (above).

Have to be careful, though - basically all articles using the images need to be checked before the move, to make sure they're not expecting one to be an ensign or one the state flag. ¦ Reisio 07:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will also try and changing the colors, since the green looks very light, and it is not supposed to be that way. Zach (Smack Back) 07:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I bet you're going to do the same with Image:Flag of Peru (state).svg, right? Denelson83 08:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Meh, gonna have to look through all the plain stripey ones now. :p ¦ Reisio 08:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Reisio/SVG/flags[edit]

It seems a few have shown interest in this off and on - if there's enough interest, it'd probably make the most sense if it were a subpage of WikProject Flags. My only caveat is that with something as big and clunky as this (and it's smallish atm), any major changes/additions/etc. to any tables really will need to be discussed and agreed upon beforehand or we'll surely all go mad (or give up on it). We should also (obviously) try and wrap up #Naming conventions II.

So, if you're interested in playing with it or just having it in the 'Project's space instead of mine or not, give a little nod...and maybe name suggestions. I s'pose simplest is best, so maybe just /flags? We could split things up into like /flags/national, /flags/subnational, /flags/cities, /arms/national, /arms/subnational, /arms/cities, etc. so browsers don't explode.

Don't be afraid to say it's stupid if that's what you think. :) ¦ Reisio 00:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see your fancy flag tracking table in the project namespace. Denelson83 01:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. we could use /flags. If it becomes the large by and by, we could split it then. --Kookaburra 08:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved it to /flags. ¦ Reisio 16:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Civils that should be state[edit]

Assuming we're continuing with this (don't see why not), time for a list. :p Civil flags that should be state flags:

The civil flags should be moved to Image:Flag of State ensign.svg, or Image:Flag of State civil.svg, or whatever is most appropriate, I guess.

If you decide to undertake moving these to their proper locations, do be very careful. Use http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiPlay/CheckUsage.php and check that all articles are referring to each file correctly.

Probably more to be listed. ¦ Reisio 01:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really clear on the difference between "State" and "Civil" flags. If you lived in Austria, for example, and wanted to fly a flag outside your house, would you use the Civil version? When would you use the State version?
Private persons may only use the civil version. Officials will use the state flag. —Nightstallion (?) 06:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The name "Flag of Austria.svg" is supposed to be the "default" flag, whatever that means. I.e. if some random Wikipedia article about the olympics wants a flag next to an Austrian athlete, they should get the right flag with "Flag of Austria.svg". Does that mean State or Civil is more appropriate? User:dbenbenn 03:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would use the state flag, since that is used by the governments, and we see those a lot at the UN, EU and other government buildings. Zach (Smack Back) 05:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I concur, yes. —Nightstallion (?) 06:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The more I think about it, the more doubts I have. For example Austria: I'm rather sure that they don't use the state flag at the UN, EU (see [4]) buildings (unfortunately I cannot clearly see the Flag of Austria here). According to the austrian Wappengesetz the state has (of course) the right to fly the Flag with CoA, but this doesn't mean that they have to! --Kookaburra 09:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC) PS: here a photo of the EU parliament - the flag of austria shows clearly no CoA --Kookaburra 10:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Damn it. I think you're right on that. So, what do we do now? —Nightstallion (?) 13:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My take on this: If there's a single flag for civil and state, we name it "Flag of FOO.svg". If there are different versions, we should name the one "Flag of FOO (civil).svg" and the other either "Flag of FOO.svg" or "Flag of FOO (state).svg" (no, on second thought the official one must be the one at the primary location); "ensign" AFAIK means "used on the sea", which may be true as well, but need not necessarily. —Nightstallion (?) 06:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC) [reply]

We should finally discuss our naming standards, BTW. I think things like years in which a historic flag was used and similar things belong in parentheses, i.e. "Flag of Austria (civil).svg", not "Flag of Austria civil.svg", and "Flag of Afghanistan (199x - 2004).svg", not "Flag of Afghanistan 199x - 2004.svg". What do you say? I realize that this may mean we'll have to reupload a number of images, and I sincerely hope one of us knows someone with a replacement bot usable on the major wikipedias for that... We've also encountered a number of incorrectly named ensigns that still need to be renamed, somewhere closer to the top of this page. —Nightstallion (?) 06:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be happy with either (parentheses), as in Image:Flag of Germany (2-3).svg, or a comma, as in Image:Flag of Iraq, 1991-2004.svg. Honestly, it might make more sense to wait until image redirects are implemented (and encourage that to happen) than to spend a lot of effort updating links ... User:dbenbenn 21:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If we can't agree that state flags are more official and should be the default, then I guess we'll have to sort it all out on a case-by-case basis - investigating usage before we decide. ¦ Reisio 21:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina[edit]

There are a lot of images in Category:Flags of Argentina (as well as many not listed there) that could benefit from the new Image:Flag of Argentina.svg. Lots of redundants in there, as well. Just FYI in case some bored person wants to start hacking into this before I do (if I do :p) - maybe I'll tag a bunch of them {{Ifc}} & {{Redundant}} later tonight. Be careful if you do get into it, though, as I'm not positive Image:Flag of Argentina.svg should have its current ratio of 15:24 or a ratio of 9:14. ¦ Reisio 00:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hrmmm...could cut down the filesize substantially by making the sun perfectly round and cloning a lot. Now I have to find out which is more correct - a perfectly round sun or a slightly squished one. ¦ Reisio 04:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
According to the World Flag Database, the proportion of Argentina's flag is supposed to be 1:2.
Also, "images that could benefit..." I don't know what you mean by that. Denelson83 08:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think WFD even gets the sun right. I'm pretty certain the only contenders for ratio right now are those I mentioned before.
Benefit, like, the more officialish colors can be taken from the new Image:Flag of Argentina.svg and applied to all the other images in that category that are supposed to be using them. The images with lower-quality suns can use the new sun. Stuff like that. ¦ Reisio 19:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vector-images.com[edit]

There are some images on vector-images.com that I need for some of the variant flags yet to upload; unfortunately, you have to pay to get their vector versions, which are exactly what I need. Unfortunately, I can't send any money over the Web, so I am asking someone here for help obtaining these images. -- Denelson83 22:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So, is anyone wishing to help? Denelson83 23:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure, I am broke now. Zach (Smack Back) 00:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bah... I didn't tell the whole truth. I should have said "I can't send any money over the Web without parental permission" (long story). So, I showed my mother what I was doing, and asked for permission to put some money into her "Web purchase system", and she said yes. Now, I have those images I was looking for, and will shortly add them to the Commons. Denelson83 03:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Are images from Vector-images.com "free"? I see you tagged Image:Flag of Tristan da Cunha.svg as a copyvio ... Does your new version of Image:Flag of Moldova.svg use a coat of arms from v-i.com? User:dbenbenn 20:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I received an e-mail from the author of xrmap telling me that vector-images.com does not allow its vector files to be redistributed. However, I obtained the coat of arms of Moldova from a different source, webchantier.com. Denelson83 21:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please include your source information at Image:Flag of Moldova.svg! w:WP:CITE. User:dbenbenn 02:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I did. :( Denelson83 03:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]




webchantier.com[edit]

Are all the flags and coats of arms at webchantier.com free to use? There are several PD images at Commmons which use those • Madden 11:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will probably say no, since I see a lot of "payment" for services that this website provides, but that is not definite yet. Most of the website is in FR and I am FR-0. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 18:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hum, all the texts are in English, too, aren't they? • Madden 19:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They are, but reading more, they are allowing people to use their type fonts and company logos for free, but nothing about the flags. In any case, just cite the above website as an image source and we could debate this later. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 20:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Investigating this site further, I found that users can submit vector images to this site, and they would presumably be made available for free download. Denelson83 23:55, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Crisis[edit]

One of the vector flag images from webchantier.com, Image:Flag of the African Union.svg, has been put under copyright inquiry--in this case, for the second time. If this image is found to be non-free, it could set a dangerous precedent. -- Denelson83 05:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's annoying, but I don't see it as particularly dangerous. ¦ Reisio 16:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I uploaded quite a few vector flag images from webchantier.com, which means if this particular image is non-free, they'll all be gone from the Commons. -- Denelson83 20:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. What can we do? —Nightstallion (?) 10:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Policy proposal:No deletion of improved versions of images[edit]

Hi folks. Please feel free to comment on this: Commons:Village pump/Policy proposal:No deletion of improved versions of images. pfctdayelise (translate?) 00:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To have some internal discussion on this first: What purpose does this serve? If we're trying to standardize flags to be as correct as possible in SVG format, why should we duplicate our work and create PNG versions as well? If this proposal happens to have support, I strongly suggest an exemption for certain areas, among them coats of arms and flags, where standardization and correctness is difficult enough to achieve without this proposal in our way. —Nightstallion (?) 06:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Mexican PNG flag is a perfect example, but we should not have to create a special policy to say "hey, don't delete this." Flags with COA, such as Spain and Argentina, might have to have a PNG version in order for things to work out well, but I still think it should be on a case by case basis. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 06:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that this policy proposal doesn't affect WikiProject Flags at all. Our goal is to create a complete collection of high-quality flags. If the Commons chooses to also host lower-quality flags, that doesn't affect us. There's no need for us to "duplicate our work and create PNG versions as well". User:dbenbenn 10:03, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Consistent naming convention[edit]

I've noticed a few SVG variant flags following different naming systems, such as the civil ensign of Australia being named Image:Australian-Merchant-Ensign.svg when it should be named Image:Civil Ensign of Australia.svg, for example.

I'd like to see all SVG variant flags follow the naming convention of Image:Flag of FOO.svg, Image:Flag of BAR (state).svg, Image:Civil Ensign of BAZ.svg, Image:Naval Ensign of BOO.svg, etc.

Possible flag types are Flag, Civil Ensign, Civil Jack, Civil Air Ensign, Government Ensign, Government Jack, Naval Ensign and Naval Jack. -- Denelson83 23:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I concur absolutely, and have noted this some time at the beginning of our project (they were uploaded by David Newton before our NC were in place, I think). —Nightstallion (?) 06:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Are the capitals necessary? Why not Image:Civil ensign of Foo.svg?
It also doesn't make sense to me to have Civil ensign of but use Flag of Foo (state) instead of State flag of Foo.
We also need to commit to what plain Flag of Foo is - we've had some discussions before about whether it should be the state (government's flag) if there's a difference, but I don't think we really decided. ¦ Reisio 07:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guilty of flouting the naming rules, but now I make an effort to comply. Re. caps, I think sentence case ("Civil air ensign of ...", "Naval ensign of ...") is the best way to go since we are describing the flag. It is unlikely that the phrase will be a proper noun. My choice for the actual format of the name is "Flag of Foo (State/Civil/etc)".
A second alternative is to code "Flag of Foo (Bar)", where Bar is the number that appears on the FIAV_xx.png icons. Of course a lot of flags don't fit that spec so it probably won't work but imo its probably the most logical. Greentubing (en:WP talk) 07:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I've already entrenched the existing case convention of the flag filenames, so I think we shouldn't fix what isn't broken and continue using it.
I've already put the concerned flag images into Category:Images requiring renaming. Denelson83 08:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Macau[edit]

This is the actual flag being used in Macau. However, the older versions-, which is never being used, is widely used in wikipedia.--Macanese馬交人 05:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I compared the two images and the differences seem to be the stars and the positioning and curvature of the logo. However I can't read Portugese. Can you supply a construction sheet or some flag specification in English for the Macanese flag? Greentubing (en:WP talk) 07:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I wish to echo the above comment; please give us a construction sheet and we will correct the flag as soon as possible. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 07:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone please to explain me what a construction sheet is?--140.122.230.20 10:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry that I've forgot to log in.--Macanese馬交人 10:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's like a "blueprint". It shows you how to properly draw a flag. Denelson83 10:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flag template and flag finder[edit]

Recently on de.wikipedia User:Gunter came up with the idea of implementing a flag finder, so users would be able to find a flag or information on a flag, even when they only know some characteristics of the flag ("it was striped and had three colors. And there were a coat of arms in the center. What flag could it have been?"). I then made the proposal, that the best method would be to create a template similar to de:Wikipedia:Personendaten (german, lesser developed english version). The Personendaten-Projekt tags biography articles with information about the people (date and place of birth and death, other names, profession...) so this data can be read out by a script. The page [5] (german) gives an overview over the data. You can look, which people were born at a specific day, for example. Because all the flags are saved on Commons a similar template for flags should be used on Commons image description pages. I made a template idea to formalize the collected data about the flags (it should be so formalized that automatic conversion in other languages is no problem). You can see this proposal at Commons:WikiProject Flags/template. I am a layman in flags, so corrections and ideas for improvement are welcome. What do you think about it? --::Slomox:: >< 14:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean actually embed such information as metadata within each SVG file? -- Denelson83 15:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, this is putting metadata in the image summary text. Persondata is invisible to humans unless you edit your style sheet. IMO the metadata is a Good Thing but I might disagree with some specifics as they come up. The template as it stands at the moment looks good. Greentubing (en:WP talk) 21:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
w:Gallery of flags by design is a reasonably complete flag finder already. User:dbenbenn 17:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fields: I suggest that we have a few more fields:
  • COUNTRY can be used in conjunction with the FIAV-no. so we can easily look up the Sea War Flag of Foo? COUNTRY is different from OF since not all flags are used by countries
  • TYPE can be used when FIAV doesn't work, e.g. with aircraft flags (since the FIAV codes don't define civil/state/war air flags).
  • OTHER NAME can be used for variant names. This would change the NAMES variable to NAME (for one name only). What goes in NAME is for debate.
  • DEFAULT is a True/False flag used with COUNTRY so someone looking for "Flag of Bar" without qualification will come to the flag for Country Bar with the default flag. Of course constraints such as years, etc will need to be sorted out.
I suggest that none of these variables should be mandatory. I can code this if you want.Greentubing (en:WP talk) 21:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
w:Gallery of flags by design is a very nice piece of work, but: There are tens of thousands flags in the world, one monolithic list can't handle these all. The templates makes it all more flexible. You need only an application to chart the template data.
@Greentubing: I agree to your proposed changes. They all seem to make sense. --::Slomox:: >< 23:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done. If DEFAULT has any value an asterisk will appear next to NAME. OTHERNAMES, FIAV, TYPE and COUNTRY are optional variables which will not appear if blank. Greentubing (en:WP talk) 00:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Slomox: Are there any uses for CSS table.metadata at Commons? If not we can make this appear as table.metadata as Persondata does. The only thing that's stopping us is whether or not other types of files at Commons need to use it. Greentubing (en:WP talk) 00:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flag Information Code: FIAV is a useful page for this; it has info on a FIAV-defined format for flag summary data. Vex symbols should also be considered. Also, probably of most importance, is the fact that FOTW is already working on a standards-based (afaik) online Vexillological Metadata Schema—we could probably implement this here. Greentubing (en:WP talk) 01:45, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So do you think this will work? Are the main protagonists on this WikiProject against it or will they support an effort to introduce such a template? Please speak up! ;-) --::Slomox:: >< 01:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, why not. —Nightstallion (?) 07:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Venezuelan flag snafu[edit]

User:Guillermo Romero seems to have a much different opinion than reality about which flag variant of Venezuela is used where. He believes a plain triband of yellow, blue and red should be most commonly used to represent Venezuela, whereas the version with the seven stars is the actual most-commonly-used flag of Venezuela. I need some third opinions on this matter. -- Denelson83 21:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The 7 Star flag (merchant flag) is mostly used, but we should have a copy of the de jure civil flag (at least as a mention). I suggest we should use the merchant flag in the WP projects to represent Venezuela. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, my opinion is that the "plain triband" flag without stars should exist, but under a very different filename so that it can be used in the specific cases where it is necessary, and not in any other case. It should not be used to represent Venezuela in the more than a dozen articles that are currently linking to the image (articles about stubs, sporting events, politicians, country lists,etc.).Kusaja 18:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If we use the de jure civil flag, then it looks very similar to the flag of Colombia, so that is a bad idea to use for articles, stubs, etc. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

to put it in a nutshell: according to REUTERS the venuzelan flag so far had seven stars, but as from march 12th it will have eight stars. hugo chavez decided (well, the parliament decided, but anyway..) to add an additional star, to fulfill a decree by simon bolivar from 1817. there are slo changes in the coats of arms: the whits horse, so far running from left to right, will run from right to left in the future. —the preceding unsigned comment is by 194.232.66.24 (talk • contribs)

The civil flag has been scrapped, and the merchant flag can now also be used by the people. So, there will only be two flags in Venezuela now. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 06:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the flags (eight stars) with Image:Flag of Venezuela (state).svg and without coa Image:Flag of Venezuela.svg Andreas1 16:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are at least three mistakes with the flags:
  1. The tones of yellow are different.
  2. The coat of arms is slightly wrong, per what Andreas1 said.
  3. The stars are not constructed in the same way; for instance, on the state flag the two centre stars are basically on a straight line, and only the other six stars are aligned on a curved line, while the stars on the civil flag are all aligned on a curved line.
Additionally, the size of the civil flag is not large enough. Could someone please correct that? Thanks! —Nightstallion (?) 19:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Getting there, but I am going to see what FOTW comes up with (in the terms of an arms image). The civil flag, I drew based on what the VE government has presented, but I will going to make some slight corrections on it. I am going on Spring Break now, so I will try to get my hands on Inkscape (depends on what is going on at my home). BTW, the civil flag colors are correct, they are the color shades used by the VE Government. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 21:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Protect/Lock flags ?[edit]

Should new .svg-flags not be protected if they have been verified for having accurate colours and proportions ? This helps to avoid vandlism attacks as well as editwars (as seen on the venezuelan flag recently). I think this is a must especially if all projects are changed to use our .svg-flags here instead of their local versions. --Denniss 07:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the face of it it is a sound idea, but this is a wiki after all. If there is to be a lock policy:
  • who do we give the power to 'judge' flags?
  • what standard colour schemes will we use (a pet question of mine)?
  • what happens when there is an offical change of flag design?
  • disputes with the lock version?
If there is to be a lock policy we'd have to tread carefully. Imo I think its fine as it is since there will be vigilance on our part and of others. Greentubing (en:WP talk) 08:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm opposed to preemptively protecting flag images, because that makes it impossible for others to contribute improvements. If a particular flag gets vandalized, it's easy enough to protect it temporarily. User:dbenbenn 15:37, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We can also always delete the vandal version, but most of the problems I see with vandal images is that they get uploaded at the project itself (like at EN). User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I strongly disagreed with the new star in the venezuelan flag but since it is in the law we should use the eight-star flag and not the seven- star flag. We should keep Wikipedia updated, of course we have to take care of the informations we show, they have to be true because many people look for information for theirs studies here, so the articles must be not only actual but true. If we should to protect/ lock flags well flags are part of the country's culture, it is necessary to lock them or at least look for a way to avoiding problems to our Wikipedia.User:Luïx

As somebody above said it this is a wiki so it is very easy to revert both images and edits to a previous version. Also, currently, the only way to protect an image would also stop the description page being modified by non-administrators. In my opinion I think it is best to leave images unprotected except when they are subject to a heavy vandalism attack. UberHalogen 19:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Move to Commons:CommonsProject Flags?[edit]

In analogy to other projects on the Commons, and to obey common sense, should we move our project? —Nightstallion (?) 11:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, I say leave it as it is. I mean, the Commons is a Wiki in and of itself. Denelson83 00:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Still, I think having parallel standards is a bad thingTM. I'd say we check what the other two ...Projects think about this, and if they insist on CommonsProject, let's move. 's that alright with you? I know, it's a minor issue, but I'm a sucker for standardization. ;) —Nightstallion (?) 14:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request[edit]

Hi, can someone convert this flag: File:Chinese Taipei Soccer Flag.png into SVG format please? - 81.131.70.202 21:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done: Image:Chinese Taipei Football Flag.svg, B1mbo 01:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I could be wrong, but I think by "convert" he meant "remake", not "run through a tracer and damn the details". ¦ Reisio 02:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed some details now, and I will take care of the other details later. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 05:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More things to do:

  1. Redraw Image:Flag of Navarre.svg, the current version has no applicable source. (Don't ask me, I only renamed the file from its original name to this one.)
  2. Check which one of Image:Flag of Kazakhstan.svg or Image:Flag of the Republic of Kazakhstan.svg is the correct one, delete the other, make sure the name is the first one's.
  3. Create a correct state flag SVG for the w:Flag of Transnistria.
  4. Look into why Image:Flag of Greece.svg and Image:Flag of Greece (1828-1978).svg don't show up correctly in w:Flag of Greece.

—Nightstallion (?) 12:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SVG image won't show[edit]

Hi there. I'm posting this here one advice fron Eugene Zelenko, as there apears to be a high level of SVG-related knowledge floating around. If I should be posting somewhere else, please tell me, and I'll go there.

I have been trying to do some mathematical diagrams as SVG, and I would like to as it is clearly better, but whenever I do this, some thumbnails don't show on the article page, on Wikibooks or Wikisource, which is the reason I upload them in the first place. They come up with a white and grey checquered background, and you can only actually see the SVG when you click on the link below the preview. For an example, see image:Slope_Field_1.svg. I'm using Adobe SVG viewer with Opera 8 (which also has some native SVG support).

If you can tell me what it is I'm doing wrong, then I will be more than willing to use SVG over PNG. In the meantime, I try to make the PNGs large to give extra information. Also, what is the best font to use for labelling SVG diagrams?

Thanks

Jjbeard 16:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I do have the same problem with my coats of arms. They are created as Adobe illustrator files and exported as SVG. But for some reason most of those Adobe SVGs don't show up as thumbnails in the wiki projects. But there's a trick for the problem, I just open the file with Inkskape to save the file again as 'Plain SVG'. Afterwards the file is readable by all wikis wihthout further problems.Perhaps this may help you to. Best regards. --David Liuzzo 23:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Image:Flag of South Africa 1928-1994.svg[edit]

This image has an error. The British flag on the left should be upside down compared to what it normally is, as if its hoist was at the left edge of the Orange Free State flag in the centre of the flag. See this page https://www.fotw.info/flags/za_old.html --83.245.26.100 00:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Flag of the United States (1912-1959).svg[edit]

Someone with knowledge should verify this flag, maybe it's wrong and Image:US flag 48 stars.svg is correct. If it's wrong please upload the correct flag over the correctly named and mark the other one as duplicate. --Denniss 16:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vector versions of the flags of Hong Kong and Macao[edit]

The vector (.svg) versions of the flags of Hong Kong and Macao, namely, image:flag of Hong Kong.svg and image:flag of Macau.svg, happen to have apparent discrepancies with the actual flags. Their counterparts image:flag of Hong Kong SAR.png and image:Macau flag.gif were retrieved from government websites ([6], [7]), and their accuracies are not to be challenged. Please help convert those from official sources into vector format, and replace the existing inaccurate ones. — Instantnood 13:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Flag of Senegal.svg[edit]

Would somebody plese re-check the colours currently used ? It looks like the colours from Vexilla Mundi are wrong, see CIA WFB and Senegal government. See a colour-corrected version at Image:Flag of Senegal3.svg (to be loaded over the current one). --Denniss 16:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bad flag[edit]

Image:Flag of the Pitcairn Islands.svg needs some improvement. cf. CIA flag, another one, flagspot's.

Issues:

  • the blue colour. seems a bit too dark. the CIA's is way too light, but it's darker than what we're using in Image:Flag of Australia.svg. I guess all Union Jack-based flags should be the same.
  • why is there two bits of red in the COA on the right? This is totally wrong. there should only be red in the flower thing at the top.
  • is the yellow in the COA supposed to be two distinct shades? all the flags I linked only have one shade (except the CIA, which only has one bit in the bright yellow, the upside-down "V")
  • not sure if that black "shadow" bit should be black of grey

Noorse raised these issues and asked where the PNG version is (assuming it was deleted). Indeed, I can't find any PNG version but I don't know if one ever existed and I don't know of a way to search the deletion logs...

Incidentally I have noticed a lot of PNG flags being tagged as {{Duplicate}} which is a deletion tag. This is wrong because {{Duplicate}} is only for exact duplicates or scaled-down exact duplicates. A PNG -> SVG conversion matches neither of these cases. Please mark PNG flags as {{Superseded}} if they are indeed worse than the SVG (not just automatically). Thankyou, pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of the XRMAP flags have not been changed for colors. Imho in the long run British flags should have consistency with Commons:Pantone color chart/British flag colours (except for the specific case of Australia, which uses a different shade of red in the Union Flag). I'll go change the flag's colors to match the template. Red lining in the helmet is a standard British heraldic thing, and I'd be surprised if the original grant had a silver lining (lol). Nonetheless I'll change it to grey. With the yellow, Flags of All Nations (the Royal Navy flag book) prescribes two kinds of yellow but looking at World Flag Database I'd keep it as one yellow (FAN "Yellow"). Shadows: I think that'd be a discretionary thing, so I'll leave that alone.
New version coming as soon as I post this comment, so keep your eyes peeled. Yaddah 22:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Add. : Without having seen FAN 's spec its hard to get nitpicky about these things :D Yaddah 22:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your prompt attention. I agree it must be hard without specs. Why don't they publish them openly, grr... pfctdayelise (translate?) 02:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]



Flag sources[edit]

Could anyone with some spare time check out local libraries for the books on my user page? I mean with the difficulty some images are having w.r.t. offline official specifications etc it'd be good if someone had access to specifications.

I've already checked my town's university libraries (×2) and public library system and none of them have flag spec books... BTW if anyone has access to 1940s Australia Gazettes it'd be helpful!

Yaddah 03:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone point to all bordered flag-versions?[edit]

Hi,

Could someone either list or categorize all bordered versions of flags – like Image:Flag of England (bordered).svg. The Category:SVG flags is very huge and quite impossible to work with. Thanks in advance. :) --Barklund 08:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.google.com/search?q=bordered%20site%3Acommons.wikimedia.org ¦ Reisio 18:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it wasn't much help, but some. I've found 10 flags, that I have now categorized in Category:SVG flags with border and are missing bordered versions of the following flags:
If someone could create a bordered version of the above - all named likewise with (bordered) inserted before the extension, that would be most wonderful. Thanks in advance for your help. Please also add to the Category:SVG flags with border, thanks :) --Barklund 20:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I forgot Image:Flag of Qatar.svg in the above list. Thanks again. --Barklund 20:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Flag of Greenland.svg is also missing on this list. Valentinian (talk) 13:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
...and why would we want duplicates with big silly borders on them? ¦ Reisio 20:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is a common request I get at EN. I refuse to do it, though. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be marking any I see as redundant or whatever the proper template is nowadays. ¦ Reisio 01:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In sports articles listing persons by nationality, small 20px flags are used next to the name to indicate the country. The bordered SVG-versions of the flag is way nicer than HTML- or CSS-bordering of the flags. Small flags with a completely white border or several white corners look where bad on a white background. (using {{border}}) does not look as nice as (using bordered). And the {{border}}-hack is not as easily moved around and managed, as a "real" image is. When using a div (rendered as a table-cell), one is limited in usage – a limitation a true image does not have. Besides that, what is the reason for not creating these images? I will however, try to extend our own flag-system on dawiki with CSS-bordering in stead of bordered images. I hope to make it look nice, but the bordered images are more managable. --Barklund 10:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with Barklund, although I've also run into some trouble with someone who wanted to add the bordered versions of the flag to articles (where they DON'T belong...). —Nightstallion (?) 10:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The visual difference between using the border template and including the border in the image is trivial IMO. Also, I hope you're not using flag image names in articles - it's best to use some sort of template like en.'s flag country alias name ones so hundreds of articles don't have to be edited every time an image needs to be altered. ¦ Reisio 18:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Visual difference is one thing, markup-difference is a whole other – <img /> can be used in some many other places, than <div style="display: table-cell"><img /></div> And yes, we do have a template-system for all countries, all flags – but I don't see what that has to do with anything? The [[Image:Foo.jpg|...]] does not take any border-parameter by any chance, right? So it must be done with <div> or <span>, right? --Barklund 09:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"<img /> can be used in some many other places, than <div style="display: table-cell"><img /></div>" — ...eh? Cite your sources. ¦ Reisio 19:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm referring to basic XHTML - <img /> is an inline tag, <div /> is a block tag. There is a difference between which contexts allow inline (for example <span /> only allows inline content), and which allows block (in most contexts, inline is always allowed whereever block is allowed) --Barklund 09:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I thought you just typo'd div; the {{Border}} template uses span. ¦ Reisio 17:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Flag requests[edit]

These requests were moved to a separate subpage by me. To add a request, click here (link goes to subpage's edit screen). Yaddah 07:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Open flag requests[edit]

  1. Image:Flag of the Organization of American States.svg – w:Image:LogooasENG.png, FOTW1
  2. Image:Flag of ECOWAS.svg – FOTW2
  3. Image:Flag of GCC.svg – FOTW3, commons
  4. Image:Flag of AMU.svg – FOTW4 --Madden 17:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Image:Flag of CEFTA.svg – FOTW5; colours should be same as EU flag --Madden 20:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Image:Flag of Tamil Eelam.svg – w:Tamil Eelam
  7. Image:Flag of Tuvalu (1995-1997).svg – [8]
  8. Image:Royal Standard of Trinidad and Tobago (1966).svg – [9]
  9. Image:Royal Standard of Sierra Leone (1961).svg – [10]
  10. Image:Royal Standard of Mauritius (1968).svg – [11]
  11. Image:Royal Standard of New Zealand.svg – en:Image:New_Zealand_Royal_Standard.gif
  12. Image:Royal Standard of Jamaica.svg – en:Image:Jamaican_Royal_Standard.gif
  13. Image:Royal Standard of Barbados.svg – en:Image:Barbadian_Royal_Standard.gif

—Nightstallion (?) 22:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody draw Image:Presidential flag of Chile.svg based in Image:Flag of Chile.svg, Image:Chilean presidential flag 300.png and Image:Chile COA.jpg? --B1mbo 20:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Image:Flag of the President of Chile.svg --B1mbo 14:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

en:Image:Flag of OPEC.svg done by me. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 04:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

en:Image:Standard of the Canadian Governor General 1931.svg done by me. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent historical flags in need of svg[edit]

Can users please svg these flag images:

please put a line through images that have been "svg"'d Rhyddfrydol 23:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tudor Crown[edit]

I have noticed many historical British flags have used this crown on their flags. I was wondering if someone can help draw this crown in the SVG format. Once we do, we can blow many copyvios out of the water. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 21:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean the "Tudor Crown" or "St. Edward's Crown" or both? I guess we'll need both. Still looking for a photograph of a "Tudor Crown". ¦ Reisio 02:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I guess we don't need photographs, since the depictions used on the flags are barely accurate. So, maybe just use the St. Edward's Crown from Image:Flag of Queensland.svg - shouldn't be hard to morph it into a Tudor Crown, either. ¦ Reisio 02:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I needed the Tudor crown, since some flags, such as the badge for [12]. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 06:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pick an image we can duplicate and put into public domain and I'll do it. ¦ Reisio 21:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
w:10-4. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 23:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, I'll just go off these - most look similar enough that there shouldn't be any complaints about creativity. ¦ Reisio 17:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 17:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm beginning to suspect that this crown may have never existed in any tangible form, but only as depictions for coins and flags, etc.. ¦ Reisio 22:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't be surprised, but take your time on the image, there is no hurry. :) User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Searching for a copy of the original design or whatever now. ¦ Reisio 05:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Norwegian flags[edit]

There is an (IMO) urgent need for flags to replace the flags recently deleted from English Wikipedia. Could someone please create new flags? The needed flags are:

  1. Image:Norwegian Royal Standard.svg Example → Image:Norwegian Royal Standard flag.png
  2. Image:Standard of the Crown Prince of Norway.svg Example → Image:Standard of the crown prince of Norway.png
  3. Image:Norwegian Royal Masthead Pennant.svg Example → File:Royal Pennant of Norway.svg
  4. Image:Flag of the Minister of Defence of Norway.svg Example → File:Flag of the Norwegian Minister of Defence.svg
  5. Image:Flag of the Chief of Defence of Norway.svg Example → File:Flag of the Norwegian Chief of Defence.svg
  6. Image:Flag of the Inspector General of the Royal Norwegian Navy.svg Example (not a good one, see army) → File:Flag of the Inspector General of the Norwegian Navy.svg
  7. Image:Flag of the Inspector General of the Norwegian Army.svg Example → File:Flag of the Inspector General of the Norwegian Army.svg
  8. Image:Flag of the Inspector General of the Norwegian Air Force.svg Example → File:Flag of the Inspector General of the Royal Norwegian Air Force.svg
  9. Image:Flag of the Inspector General of the Norwegian Home Guard.svg Example →
  10. Image:Norwegian postal flag.svg Example → File:Postal Flag of Norway.svg
  11. Image:Flag of the Custom Services of Norway.svg Example
  12. Image:Norwegian Society for Sea Rescue flag.svg → Image:Flag of the Norwegian Society for Sea Rescue.svg
  13. Image:Flag of Nortraship.svg Example
  14. Image:Flag of the Royal Norwegian Yacht Club.svg Example

The flags of Norwegian counties and municipalities such as:

  1. Image:Flag of Hordaland.svg →
  2. Image:Flag of Bergen.svg Example

As well as the historical flags of Norway such as:

  1. Image:Norwegian Royal Flag (1844-1905).svg Example → File:Royal Standard of Norway (1844-1905).svg
  2. Image:Norwegian flag 1818-1844 south of Cape Finisterre.svg Example → File:Swedish and Norwegian merchant flag 1818-1844.svg


These (except the second last one) were formerly known under the same name as gif files on English wikipedia and examples of them can all be found on this page at FOTW. Thank you for any help. Inge 14:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why were they deleted from en? ¦ Reisio 20:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They were copyrighted versions, not .svg images. Valentinian (talk) 21:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They were copies from FOTW? ¦ Reisio 01:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They were downloaded from FOTW and tagged with the FOTW tag, yes. Inge07:22, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, just wanted to be clear. :) I'll try and do one every now and then, and I'm sure some of the others will want to get in on the action. ¦ Reisio 13:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great. Thank you very much for any contributions. :) Inge 12:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Now individual links to examples of each flag has been added to ease the process for those wanting to recreate any of these flags.Inge 13:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request for PNG to SVG conversion[edit]

I recently uploaded several images of Polish flags and coat of arms: Image:Flaga Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej.PNG, Image:Flaga z godlem Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej.PNG, Image:Bandera wojenna Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej.PNG, Image:Herb Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej.PNG. The shades and shapes are more accurate and correct than those in the images that were already on Commons: Image:Flag of Poland.svg, Image:Flag of Poland (state).svg , Image:Naval Ensign of Poland.svg (all uploaded by Denelson83), and Image:Herb Polski.svg (uploaded by Dbenbenn, so they should replace the old ones. The problem is they are in PNG format. Could someone please convert my images into SVG format and upload them on Commons? Kpalion 07:52, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with converting those versions of the Polish flags to SVG is that the eagle in the shield has a very complex shading pattern. -- Denelson83 08:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I knew that the shading of the eagle is a problem from the heraldic point of view and now it turns out it's also a technical problem! If at least the colors could be corrected, that would still be better than what there is now. Please let me know if you could do that. Kpalion 09:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll give the eagle a shot. As for the solid colors, someone will have to verify that your conversion is accurate. ¦ Reisio 12:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Very well. Just remember that the shades of white and red on the CoA should be the same as on the flag (so it might be better to double check my color conversion before working on the Eagle). Kpalion 13:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It won't matter, would have to change all instances of a six-character string at most. ¦ Reisio 03:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent: SVG replacements for flag images up for deletion[edit]

Here's a comprehensive list of flag images on Commons that are for various reasons marked for deletion and could use a replacement ASAP. Compiled by browsing Category:Unknown and Category:FOTW images.

Predominantly regional or historical flags.

I skipped historical British colonial flags, since there's already a topic for them elsewhere.

These are on English Wikipedia:

Enjoy! ;)--Himasaram 04:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Variant Micronesian flag[edit]

According to the World Flag Database, the four stars on the flag of the Federated States of Micronesia are arranged in a prolate elliptical pattern, rather than a circular pattern. Do you think we could get an SVG of this variant? -- Denelson83 04:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Flag of Syria.svg[edit]

According to http://www.vexilla-mundi.com/syria.htm the green color should be RGB 0 183 96 --ALE! ¿…? 11:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Maps of Belarus Cities Locations[edit]

A little bit off-topic, but SVG images form this category doesn't displayed correctly at different resolutions. Could somebody take a look at them? Thank you. --EugeneZelenko 16:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 19:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure what programs the maps were made from, but I will run each through Inkscape later and see if that fixes the problem. I suggest you can take a peek at Commons:Help_desk#Problems_with_SVGs Eugene. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 19:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]



Heraldic Colours from Pourpre.com[edit]

Metals Preview Hexadecimal
Argent (white)   #FFFFFF
Or (yellow)   #EFD807
Colours Preview Hexadecimal
Azure (blue)   #1E7FCB
Gules (red)   #E21313
Sable (black)   #000000
Sinople (green)   #149414
Carnation(chair)   #FEC3AC
Purpure (purple)   #965578
Bis   #F1E2BE
Cendrée (iron)   #848484
Orange   #FAA401
Sanguine (blood red)   #850606
Senois   #8D4024
Tanned   #A75502

What do you think? David Descamps 06:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The heraldic name for white is "argent," not silver. -- Denelson83 07:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very wondering here, there is already an standardized international color palette for flags: en:FIAV (I'll insert this on the main page) ↔ User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?)  09:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dimensions and ratios[edit]

Are there some sort of guidelines as to what the ratio of a flag's length:width should be? Also would it be possible to define a default length and width based upon this ratio so that it can be guaranteed that tricolour flags (the most commons style) use exact sizes for each section and all flags are uniform. Thanks. UberHalogen 19:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ratios vary a lot, but I s'pose there's no harm in standardizing ratios for generic constructions. I think maybe rsvg used to like images with widths of at least 1000px, but that may have been resolved. Oh yes, I am full of certainty. :p ¦ Reisio 01:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After some thinking and going through the /flags page I think a simple 2:3 ratio would be good. Regarding dimensions, it is probably best to use numbers that go into three well so I think 900x600px would be good. Please comment on my ideas. Thanks. UberHalogen 16:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I usually go with 2:3 unless otherwise specified. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 02:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Proposal new Category:flag photographies[edit]

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In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

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Webchantier[edit]

Has anyone got any proof that images from http://www.webchantier.com/ are in the Public Domain? /Lokal_Profil 22:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A deletion nomination about this is now open at Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Flag of the Cayman Islands.svg, any information about webchantier being PD should go here. /Lokal_Profil 01:10, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Requested flags[edit]

Several of the to-be-deleted flag imagess in Category:FOTW images have semi-significant usage. It would be of great benefit to have free SVG versions available. The most "urgent" ones are:

Thanks, Andrwsc 22:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Think the new Fiji glag has similar problems to the old one in that the CoAs comes from Vector-images.com, another unfree site. /Lokal_Profil 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure you already know this, because I've seen your messages in relevant discussions, but for the benefit of onlookers: no, that image is free to use. If you want to initiate the nth request for disallowing all vector-images.com images, that is of course your right, but until there is a consensus (or at least a corrupt unilateral admin decision) to disallow them, they remain acceptable. Yes, it would be better to have something completely unencumbered, and we can almost certainly get there, but for now I'll settle for a not-quite-perfect image over nothing at all. ¦ Reisio 21:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
{{Vector-images}} Has been marked as obsolete (even says so in bold letters) after the last DR, where vector-images.com made their opinions on the use of their images quite clear. As a result only VI images from PD sources (such as Russian CoAs) are acceptable on Commons. The fiji CoA Image:Coat of arms of Fiji.png which you have used in the flag is however not from such a PD source and hence unfree. /Lokal_Profil 23:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hailing from 1908, it's quite impossible it does not originate from a PD source — any other useless information you'd like to share? ¦ Reisio 05:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And for that I reccomend you reading Commons:Coat of Arms, there is a difference between the blazon (from 1908) and the particular interpretation of it (copyrighted by vector-images.com). If you are going to steal the image of vector-images.com then you could just has well have stuck with the one that was stolen from FOTW. /Lokal_Profil 15:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And when you can prove vector-images.com's image isn't derived from an image that's roughly a century old, that distinction will matter. I don't advise trying, though, because you can't, because it quite obviously is. ¦ Reisio 18:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But that the thing vector-images.com's image can be derived from the PD-old image and still be copyrighted since since it contains original elements. Had it been an identical vectorisation of the 1908 image then yes you could have used it but AFAIK it isn't. If you find a version of the CoA that you can prove is from 1908 then you can scan that in and upload it as PD-old, you can even put it into the flag. You can even do you own free interpretation fo the blazon and upload it here. But you can't use the vector-images.com image. /Lokal_Profil 13:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If it contains original elements, then it's not accurate, and we don't want it anyways. The image in question is accurate, and is therefore lacking in originality.
As I've already said, we can use the image according to Commons policy which has been upheld by several failed deletion requests. This is not the place for you to push your agenda regarding this matter — take it back to Deletion requests, etc..
¦ Reisio 15:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And once again you get it wrong. A coat of arms is defined by the en:blazon only. Thus any (heraldicly correct) interpretation of it is equally correct. Therefore there is no version which is more accurate then another. Yes there is an official version (the one actually used in 1908) but this differes from the VI.com version in choice of colours and and how Vi.com has choosen to portray details. /Lokal_Profil 18:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, you are wrong, and this is the wrong place for you to be wrong. :) ¦ Reisio 22:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Flag of Romania.svg[edit]

Could someone change the blue colour of flag image of Romania? The dark blue is used in the flag of Chad (origin Flag of France). Romanian blue is lighter. Sources: Flags of the World - Romania, Flags of the World - Chad, Flags of the World - France. J. Patrick Fischer --217.249.216.54 07:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your provided source is not verifiable. Please provide official sources. -- Denelson83 03:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We have been trying to find an official color source for the Romanian flag. Other than the three values mentioned in the documents, we haven't been able to get more details. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 06:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I do not have other sources, but are there official sources for the dark blue shade of Romania? ;-) But what about the photos (for example:Image:Balconyroflags.jpg) And compare it to other relative images: Image:Flag of Moldova.svg and Image:Coat of arms of Romania.svg. All are using a lighter blue. J. Patrick Fischer --217.249.203.23 11:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No answer anymore? --Patrick 11:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Things are simple. What does the law says? Cobalt blue, chrome yellow and vermillon red. Now, en:Album des pavillons (2000), considering the pigments above, reccomends the use of the following Pantone colours:

Colour Space Blue Yellow Red
Pantone(r) 280c 116c 186c
RGB 0-43-127 252-209-22 206-17-38
Web #002B7F #FCD116 #CE1126

So that's that. No other reliable source gives us the digital versions of those pigments. --Alex:D 18:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I almost forgot. According to the same Album des pavillons, Chad uses the following colours:
Colour Space Blue Yellow Red
Pantone(r) Reflex blue 116c 186c
RGB 12-28-140 252-209-22 206-17-38
Web #0C1C8C #FCD116 #CE1126

Which means a darker shade of blue. Comparison below --Alex:D 18:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Romania
Chad

And a note for mr. Fischer: FOTW site does not use the standard colors, prescribed by law, but a strict palette with about 32 colors: [13]. Also, we cannot trust photos of the flags. Most commercial flags doesn't have the standard nuances, not to mention about camera errors. Even in the photo Image:Balconyroflags.jpg the middle flag has a violet-blue stripe, unlike the other 2. Ultimately, the coat of arms of Romania has heraldic colors (azure, gold, gules etc.), not the flag's one (cobalt blue, chrome yellow and vermillon red). --Alex:D 21:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the answer. But what about Moldova? Is the blue of its flag realy more light than the Romanian blue? --Patrick 22:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That, I really don't know. According to the presidential site of Moldova, the flag is “to represent precisely the coloured images and the graphic images of the State Flag of the Republic of Moldova, annexed to this Regulation”. The Romanian version of that page presents the flag in colours (obverse and reverse) and the construction sheet of the flag. Those are the colors also used here, on commons. In this case, Album des pavillons reccomends some odd colors:
Romania
Moldova - Presidential site
Moldova - Album des Pavillons
This is worse than the Romanian case, as the Moldavian law does not name the colors explicitly. --Alex:D 23:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid further similar discutions, on any flag here, I would like to stress the following things:

  • there is a difference between the colors printed on paper and colors printed on cloth,
  • there is a difference between printed colors and colors seen on a graphic display,
  • the same color can be rendered differently on 2 displays,
  • the digital photographies and scanned images cannot be trusted unless professionaly calibrated (one of the methods imply special color charts). Even in this cases, the colors of the photographed object could be wrong.

The only solution is to use reliable sources. These are to be determined (e.g. explicit laws, Album des pavillons etc.). --Alex:D 00:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough Alex, let's go with A2K and put this issue to rest. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 20:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some more FOTWs[edit]

There are still 53 files in Category:FOTW images. Nice, that they have been found, but I think it is gonna be time to delete them, because of copyright violation. --Patrick 11:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many also have been replaced. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 23:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
After those images have been nuked it might be worth searching on "http://www.crwflags.com/fotw" and other mirrors to find the untagged ones. Obviously all such images aren't unfree but a big chunk of them probably are. After this we also have the flags tagged with {{PD-Flag}} =(. /Lokal_Profil 14:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Flag of Egypt 1972.svg[edit]

Flag of Egypt or Syria or both?

Ok, I hope you are not getting angry about me, when I am talking again aout FOTW, but there is written: "Syria joined Egypt and Libya on 1st January 1972 to form the Federation of Arab Republics. They adopted the same flag, with minor variations, for the three countries: red-white-black horizontal tricolour with the hawk of Quraish (the tribe of Mohammad) looking to the hoist (at the right side) [?] on the white band with a small inscription of the name of the federation below. Unlike Egypt or Lybia, the name of the country did not appear below the scroll." So, this image would be the flag of Syria, not the one of Egypt. Smith/Neubecker 1980 are showing the same flag (no text below the scroll) for both countries (until 1980), but different CoA (with text below the scroll for Egypt). So, what is the truth? --Patrick 22:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the difference was in the coat of arms -- that's certainly what is shown in the book Guide to the Flags of the World by Mauro Talocci ISBN 0-688-01141-1, where the "State arms" of Egypt have an extra inscription beneath the scroll, but the corresponding flag of Egypt doesn't. If you had asked on the talk page of the image itself, I would have answered a lot earlier... AnonMoos (talk) 08:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Galdar bandera.png[edit]

Could someone please sort out the copyright status of this flag for me? Thanks. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inconclusive, but the only other place I found the image via images.google.com was here (vague licensing [English; machine translated]). ¦ Reisio 04:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why not recreate it from scratch? Licensing concerns gone in the blink of an eye :) Fvasconcellos 01:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because Lokal Profil will mark it for deletion. ¦ Reisio 02:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Fvasconcellos 16:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since there's a better SVG version I've deleted the image in question. Thanks for your help. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dupe: Image:Bándera de Gáldar.png. ¦ Reisio 15:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New nationalflag and CoA of Myanmar !!![edit]

At website http://burmadigest.info/2008/03/28/2008-constitution-of-burma/ the new State Constitution of Myanmar (2008) is published. (in Birmese language) . At the page nr.190 of the pdf-files http://burmadigest.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/constitution-2008.pdf one finds the images of the new emblem and of the new flag. --Patrick 19:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The flag is still on en:Flag of Myanmar as proposal. Can someone import it from there? I am not able to do this with svg-Files. --Patrick 19:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The symbols will become active in 2010, so no need to rush this now. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 04:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice, if we could use the image before 2010. ;-) The information should be possible to find in the artiles. I could upload an PNG-File, but there is no need to produce another image, which will not be needed anymore, when the SVG-File will be uploaded. --Patrick 09:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if we want to use it before 2010, then can someone email a Myanmar diplomatic office and see if a flag construction sheet is around? I feel odd using the colors of Lithuania and just plop a white star on there. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 17:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the beginning, I posted the link to the new constitution of Myanmar. It is in Birman, but at page 190you can find a picture of the flag. ;-) --Patrick 18:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://reisio.com/temp/fob.svg: 

<?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes"?>
<!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd">
<svg 
	width="540" 
	height="300" 
	version="1.1" 
	xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" 
	xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink">
	<desc>flag of Burma as proposed in 2007, included in 2008 constitution, and accordingly effective in 2010</desc>
<!--
	based off http://burmadigest.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/constitution-2008.pdf page 190
	this text is in the public domain
-->
	<rect 
		width="540" 
		height="300" 
		fill="#fe0003" />
	<rect 
		width="540" 
		height="200" 
		fill="#36996b" />
	<rect 
		width="540" 
		height="100" 
		fill="#ffff01" />
	<g 
		transform="translate(270,150) scale(130)" 
		fill="#fffefe">
		<g 
			id="cone">
			<polygon 
				id="triangle" 
				points="0,0 0,1 .5,1" 
				transform="translate(0,-1) rotate(18)" />
			<use 
				xlink:href="#triangle" 
				transform="scale(-1,1)" />
		</g>
		<use 
			xlink:href="#cone" 
			transform="rotate(72)" />
		<use 
			xlink:href="#cone" 
			transform="rotate(-72)" />
		<use 
			xlink:href="#cone" 
			transform="rotate(144)" />
		<use 
			xlink:href="#cone" 
			transform="rotate(-144)" />
	</g>
</svg>

Assumes:

  • 9:5 ratio (per tradition; the image isn't exactly 9:5, but distorting it to be makes the star appear regular, which is a good sign that this is the intended ratio)
  • equal-height horizontal bands
  • horizontally & vertically centered regular five-sided star (the image has the star slightly below the vertical center of the whole)

Star width eye-balled.
¦ Reisio 02:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate flags[edit]

What should happen with flags of different countries/municipalities/purposes that actually have the same appearance? So far I created an Image:... page and used a redirect instead of uploading a duplicate image but that robs us of a separate description page for the other purposes. Is there an official policy on this? If so, where and which? (I asked this question already on the talk for Category flags; don't hit me) --Johannes Rössel (talk) 22:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever you do I wouldn't fret too much. We're going to have to do some massive cleanup if we ever get the software to support transparent duplication/inclusion/etc.. ¦ Reisio (talk) 23:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Kosovo[edit]

The Flag image was changed. The map is now brown-gold instead of yellow. OK, maybe it is the official law, but every flag around in reallity is yellow. So, another SVG-image with a yellow map should exist. --Patrick (talk) 12:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the discussion here as well, thank you --Cradel (talk) 13:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

African Union flag[edit]

Someone is trying to stomp this flag out. We need a new version of this flag. -- Denelson83 (talk) 23:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flag creation request[edit]

I am currently working on improving the counties of Liberia, and all use to have images of their respective flags. But it appears they were FOTW and deleted. I have found government sources for at least some (possibly all) for what they look like, but I am not a graphic artist and was wondering if there is somewhere to request the creation of these flags. Each would be used on the article about the county (equivalent to a US state), plus their districts, cities in the county, and the article on Liberian counties. Certainly not high priority, but some moderate usage. Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Link to sources. ¦ Reisio (talk) 15:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There they are, a flag is in the bottom right corner of the first page of each. Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't suppose you can link to something saying government symbols or these images in particular are public domain? Also do you know if the flags al l really have a tiny flag of Liberia in the corner, or if that's just a convention of these files? ¦ Reisio (talk) 22:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've been trying to find out what the Liberian copyright laws look like, but since they are a third world country and only recently ended decades of strife they have little info online (their copyright office uses a yahoo email account). I've contacted them, and am going to see if I can find any print sources. As to the little Liberian flag, I've seen it elsewhere, so I think that is standard, though I saw it on the FOTW site, and its possible the Liberian government took these images from there. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Several flags nuked[edit]

We need replacements for the flags that were deleted in response to this. -- Denelson83 (talk) 01:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't we just replace Lokal instead? :p ¦ Reisio (talk) 18:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So much for the project[edit]

Commons:Village pump/Archive/2009Mar#The_UNwiki ¦ Reisio (talk) 01:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous naming conventions[edit]

Folks,

The current Naming conventions section is not defining which flag should be the default named one. There was a clash between editors whether the widely used civil flag should be the default, or the state flag, which is used by the state bodies but not even international ones (like the EU). The text suggest, but not implies, that the default must be the state flag regardless of its use. I think the default should be the most widely used variant, but that's just a suggestion from an outsider. Either way, please specify to prevent endless edit war between editors. (And do the debate between your project members, not with me. :)) Thanks. --grin ✎ 12:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's only a matter of time before image:flag of Hungary.svg is protected and nobody but admins will be able to edit it, anyways. ¦ Reisio (talk) 22:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now look, Reisio, it is of course possible that you take the offensive stance, attack fellow editors, ignore requests, force your personal opinions down other editor's throats, but it is neither the spirit of Wikipedia nor constructive. As you well noticed the question was phrased politely, not mentioning your way of handling the problem, and not specifying the picture in general, all for preventing comments like yours now. Attacking me you very possibly make your opinion ignored in the future and the fellow editors opinion (who you seem to consider as your opponent instead of partner) adapted. Feel free.

I kindly ask you not to reply if you cannot refrain from making comments based on your emotions. The question wasn't directed towards you but all of the people interested in WikiProject flags. If it turns out that you solehandedly want to force your ideas on others then it won't work. And possibly the picture in question will be protected, to prevent you to change it.

Anyone (including you) are welcome to answer the question. Nobody is welcome to change the topic, here and now. Open a new section if you like to start another discussion about anything else. Thank you. --grin ✎ 16:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that took a while to read; now having read it all, I can say this: ...wha? ¦ Reisio (talk) 17:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template: PD-US-flag[edit]

Please join the discussion at Commons talk:Licensing#Template: PD-US-flag. Thank you, Awg1010 (talk) 02:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maintenance category for SVG flags which need improvement?[edit]

Is there such a thing? I've came across a few ones (mainly drawn in Inkscape with [naturally] horrible code and inaccuracies in positioning and shapes) and while I could maintain my own list of flags to improve (read: re-do) adding a category or a template might be a better way to keep track of it. –Johannes Rössel (talk) 21:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe such a category exists. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 21:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just make a new template & category, like {{Messysvg}}. ¦ Reisio (talk) 05:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll look into it. Looking at some common templates here this seems to be more work than anticipated with /layout and i18n and documentation externalized, &c. Until then I'll use my own todo list, I think—provided that improving markup or layout of flags is even desirable. —Johannes Rössel (talk) 11:02, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Of course if you do end up with a perfect image, someone will just change it and then "protect" the file (etc.), so you might want to consider carefully how much time you waste, erm, I mean commit. ¦ Reisio (talk) 05:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I didn't participate in color fights so far and I doubt that will be an issue for most sub-national flags (since the national flags all seem to exist already there isn't much to do). I was more aiming at outline and markup issues; things like File:Flag of Võro.svg (that's not a circle as looking at the larger image will tell you), File:Flag of Mustvee.svg (the right end of the wavy line ends before the right edge of the image), File:Flag of Keila vald.svg (various antialiasing issues and seemingly inaccurate placement of the yellow square). Inkscape flags tend to have near-unmaintainable markup and often slight accuracy errors (I am confident my handwritten viewbox approach is a better fit for many flags that do not contain complex imagery like coat of arms). But, back to the point, I doubt that for flags of some small town or municipality anyone would start an edit war over the colors. —Johannes Rössel (talk) 11:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just FYI then :p You have been informed. ¦ Reisio (talk) 16:56, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
With Inkscape, you can be able to fix the errors by hand and I will see what I can do later. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 15:24, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd rather avoid using Inkscape if I can help it. And simple shapes are much easier to write by hand than to use Inkscape for them; besides, I then have the guarantee that they are exact and I don't have to clean the markup afterwards. —Johannes Rössel (talk) 15:52, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of the State of Burma[edit]

hello everyone,

could you do a favour and take a look at this flag of Burma:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_State_of_Burma_%28Stylized_version%29.svg

The peacock in the middle needs to be redesigned to fit this here http://numismondo.net/pm/bur/BurP.22b100KyatsND1945.jpg

(on the left of the banknote). The yellowish colour of the peacock on the flag can stay.

Thank you!

Gryffindor (talk) 23:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

East African trade & transport flags and emblems[edit]

I've been expanding and creating articles about the Imperial British East Africa Company, Kenya and Unganda Railways and Harbours, its successor East African Railways and Harbours Corporation and lake and river steamers belonging to each of these organisations. The IBEAC had its own Union Flag defaced with the company badge. KURH had its own blue ensign and "land flag", each of which was defaced with the organisation's badge. EARH had a new badge and correspondingly defaced blue ensign.

I have been unsuccessful in finding images of any of these badges or flags on Wikimedia. The "Flags of the World" website has images of all of the IBEAC (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/eaf-brit.html), KURH (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/eaf-kurh.html#rhl) and EARH (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/eaf~ear.html) badges and flags. However, they carry a set of copyright restrictions and I have not succeeded in finding a copyright category suitable to allow me to copy them to Wikimedia. Please will a kind member of WP Flags either direct me to an appropriate copyright category or create new images of these badges or flags so that I can add them to the relevant Wikipedia articles? Motacilla (talk) 23:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Curaçao (original)[edit]

(w:Flag of Curaçao) --200.90.248.207 19:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Chile (1818-1912)[edit]

http://www.vexilla-mundi.com/chile/chile_1818-1912_flag.png (see: File:Flag of Chile (1818).svg) --200.90.255.146 01:35, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Historical flags of Andorra[edit]

More info: http://www.andorramania.co.uk/flag-of-andorra/ (See Category:Flags of Andorra) --190.82.248.144 02:08, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Historical flags of Andorra[edit]

More info: http://www.andorramania.co.uk/flag-of-andorra/ (See Category:Flags of Andorra) --190.82.212.254 02:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1024px[edit]

There is not, and cannot be, any rigid requirement that flags be exactly 1024px wide. If the comments on the project page could give rise to this misconception, then they should be rephrased... AnonMoos (talk) 04:43, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Flag[edit]

Right now this is barely used and doesn't fit well on Commons pages. Wouldn't it be best to change this into a derivative of Template:Information? Lemmens, Tom (talk) 19:13, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I just made the change to Template:Infobox flag. Evrik (talk) 15:14, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note[edit]

Hallo, bin kürzlich zufällig auf dieses interessante Buch Flags of the Nations von 1899 gestoßen, worin fast alle Fahnen der damals existierenden Staaten/Kaiserreiche enthalten sind, auch ganz exotische Länder, wie z.B. die Moskitoküste (Tafel42) heute Teil der Atlantikküste Nikaraguas, … mglw. finden sich da noch ein paar fehlende Motive der Flaggensammlungen? --Metilsteiner (talk) 17:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Subpage for deletion requests[edit]

WikiProject Chemistry has an own subpage transcluding DRs concerning chemistry. The (additional) transclusion is made by a script, i.e. no additional manual edits are necessary. This assures that chemistry-related DRs are reviewed by users interested/knowledgeable in this subject.
I thought that such a subpage for DRs related to flags, CoA etc. might also be helpful for this WikiProject. An adapted version of the script may easily be created. --Leyo 09:14, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Would Commons:WikiProject Flags/Deletion requests be the right place? --Leyo 11:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh hej Leyo, (unfortunately too small feedback) there seems some question open how it works, with few people. Aside of this, I strongly suggest to merge the Heraldik and Flag project like in En (en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Heraldry and Vexillology) ↔ User: Perhelion 16:00, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it probably just makes sense if a few people add this DR subpage to their watchlist. I can't comment on whether or not a merge beneficial. --Leyo 22:05, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright clarification direct from FOTW[edit]

Has anyone from WP or WMF ever requested a copyright clarification direct from the editors at Flags Of The World? Many websites have made specific copyright rules/exceptions for Wikipedia usage, and while they currently seem relatively fair to me for our purposes, we still get flags regularly deleted on questionable justification of copyright if they cite FOTW as a source.

Primarily we should look for clarification on our creation of .svg "derivatives" (they all tend to simplify resolution significantly), but if we're extra nice we should ask for "clarification" of their "5% rule"[14]. Again, this is all if we haven't asked them already, which honestly by now we should have – I cannot find any reference to it however. SamuelRiv (talk) 13:47, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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