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Create user group 'template editor' (Moved from Commons:Village pump/Proposals)[edit]

IMPLEMENTED:

This is now in place. There are still quite a few odds and ends to deal with not to mention the big project of actually downgrading the templates. So please be patient while we work all that out. --Majora (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Task T227420

I propose to create a new user group called 'template editor' with the following rights:

  • Edit protected templates (templateeditor)
  • Enable two-factor authentication (oathauth-enable)
  • Override the title or username blacklist (tboverride)

I know several trusted technical users who regularly make edit requests. They should be able to edit the protected templates themselves, and maybe help with fulfilling edit requests made by their fellow users.

Requests to become a template editor should be made at Commons:Requests for rights and granting this right to candidates is at the discretion of admins. 4nn1l2 (talk) 01:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Create user group 'template editor': votes[edit]

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Create user group 'template editor': discussion[edit]

Create user group 'template editor': Padlock[edit]

It appears that the most liked option is option 3, although there really wasn't a clear consensus choice here we have to go with something for the interface pages. While this can, of course, change in the future I've started to implement File:Template-protection-shackle-brackets 2.svg for now. --Majora (talk) 01:55, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Option 1
    Option 1
  • WWWWinbetween
    WWWWinbetween
  • WWWWalternate
    WWWWalternate
  • WWWWWWWOption 2
    WWWWWWWOption 2

Support padlock option 1[edit]

  1. Option 1 for me. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 20:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Option 1 for me too. is not clear. BTW, why the vertical bar inside curly brackets? 4nn1l2 (talk) 02:39, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @4nn1l2: The alternative has been changed. Still prefer this choice? 1989 (talk) 19:44, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @1989: Yes. is clearer than . 4nn1l2 (talk) 00:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
# Option 1 is easier to read and more accurate in its intention, though the brackets could use a rework to look like the ones in Option 2. I note, however, that the Chinese Wikipedia ended up adopting instead. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support padlock inbetween[edit]

  1. Even better, see how it looks at 20px: .   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:27, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Looks best to me at icon size Abzeronow (talk) 17:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support padlock alternate[edit]

  1. This alternate for option 1 also matches other padlocks featuring characters: ({{). Compare used on enwiki. A variant with bigger symbol was aesthetically unappealing. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:49, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @LaundryPizza03: Any reason why you reverted the bigger symbol version? It is much clearer to see. 1989 (talk) 19:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @1989: At that request, I have decided to restore the version with the bigger symbol. Clarity is much more important than aesthetics. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:28, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This would be my second choice.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 21:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Compared with the others, looks best - but with difficulties when at icon size 20×20 -- sarang♥사랑 16:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Looks better now. 1989 (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5.  Support Now looks much better at icon size! To me it clearly depends to templates. -- sarang♥사랑 05:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support padlock option 2[edit]

  1. Option 2 (two) looks the best, in my opinion. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 01:31, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Option 2 - the brackets are better to distinguish, at option 1 they are too difficult to identify as brackets --sarang♥사랑 03:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sarang: actually, that's not universally true. At icon size, is more clear than . Option 2 couldn't be used anywhere at icon size. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 11:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    The different protection messages shows it larger; there are at least 3 larger displays. Because always the same icon should flag the same case, I am thinking about creating an icon which combines both advantages. --sarang♥사랑 07:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC) - - - It looks like that: - the rough drawn large curlies are better visible?[reply]
    @Sarang: The alternative has been changed. Still prefer this choice? 1989 (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I change now my preference to "alternate". -- sarang♥사랑 05:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Option 2 - Best design.--Vulphere 04:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Continued discussion[edit]

Create user group 'template editor': User right icon[edit]

Any proposals for the user right icon? Here’s the one used for enwiki: File:Wikipedia Template editor icon (1).svg. -- 1989 (talk) 15:47, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Templateeditorgiven[edit]

I just creataed {{Templateeditorgiven}}. Please help with improving the content of the message and/or translating it to other languages. 4nn1l2 (talk) 02:34, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@4nn1l2: Thanks, but please fix the big red mess at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jeff_G.?uselang=en#Lua_error_in_Module:Autotranslate_at_line_72:_No_fallback_page_found_for_autotranslate_(base=Template:Templateeditorgiven/heading,_lang=en). .
@Jeff G.: Sorry, but templates are still under construction. You should be patient. By the way, I cannot understand why someone should notify themselves about being added to this user group. This message template is meant to be used by admins who give template editor right to users. (Please read documentation page where it states "the template is intended to be used by the following user groups: Administrators "). As such, I recommend you just remove that section from your talk page. 4nn1l2 (talk) 19:07, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@4nn1l2: Ok, removed, sorry for the impatience.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 21:29, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More downgrades of protection[edit]

@4nn1l2: Would you please downgrade the protection of the following?

  — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 19:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeff G.: All ✓ Done per your request except for {{Anon-check-links}} which is used in the interface (MediaWiki) and its protection level should not be downgraded. By the way, I intend to downgrade the protection level of templates en masse. Please see Commons:Bots/Requests/4nn1l2 for more details. 4nn1l2 (talk) 19:41, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@4nn1l2: Thanks. Would you at least consider implementing Template talk:Anon-check-links#Edit request for Latest Global Edits 2019-06-19?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 03:31, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Babel field[edit]

Please either downgrade the protection or attend to the protected edit request on the template's talk page. Thanks in advance.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 18:49, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop requesting specific templates get downgraded or specific requests get fulfilled. The downgrading of protection was always going to take a long time to finish. I'll ask again like I did in the closing statement above to please be patient. They will get done and no request is so urgent that you have to do that. And actually, I had already looked at that request a few times. I'm the one that has answered most of the requests in Category:Commons protected edit requests and I monitor the category. I wasn't exactly sure what the purpose of those links where and I was looking into it to make sure that removing them wasn't going to cause damage elsewhere. {{Babel field}} is used on 29,000+ pages. I'd like to make sure I know exactly what I'm doing anytime I change a template that has that many transclusions. Noinclude or not. --Majora (talk) 20:20, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Majora: Ok, sorry for the impatience.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 21:25, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More ?[edit]

Will it be too much desire to allow also to untick the box "Leave a redirect behind" when moving a file? There are cases where the redirect gives absolutely no sense, e.g. when the uploader made an error and correct it seconds after his upload. See my posting Meta:talk:Don't_delete_redirects#Another_exception. If we suppose that users with the TE right are careful enough not to misuse that untick option, are there other considerations to oppose that expansion? Until now, I always had to ask (via "speedy") an admin, who checked the del req and never had denied it. -- sarang♥사랑 15:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template editors don’t even have the right to move files… —Tacsipacsi (talk) 16:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I got the move right six years ago - but just without unticking -- sarang♥사랑 16:51, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure Tacsipacsi's point was that suppressredirect has absolutely nothing to do with templates, template editing, or template protection so including it with this right seems odd to say the least. Also, the move and replace script is more limited when it comes to suppressing redirects anyways. It forcibly keeps the box you mentioned checked if the file is in use even if you have the ability to suppress redirects. The only way to do it in those cases is with Special:MovePage and then if you forget to actually replace all usage of the file and suppress the redirect it would break all usage of it on all the projects. --Majora (talk) 17:45, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How to request new template[edit]

So how it works? How can I request new template? I think that we need Import log template that says something like: "This file was moved to Commons in XX-XX-XXXX by User XYZ using FileImporter from he wikipedia File:ZXC..." I have made basic template for my own imports her. You can see also my comment in meta. After the template be ready we can ask FileImporter to add this template instead of the hidden notice in the file page. So how it works? It should go through Commons:Village pump/Proposals first? and how I'm requesting the new template? there is template noticeboard? template workshop?. -- Geagea (talk) 10:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would say COM:VPT is the best venue to request a new template. 4nn1l2 (talk) 10:13, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we need new venue to request a new template. It is not just the technical issue. It's kind of proposal of a new template. -- Geagea (talk) 10:23, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Geagea: COM:VPP then.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 17:05, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting an update to Module:ForLoop[edit]

Would it be possible to update the module's code? Ideally, it should match the equivalent w:en:Module:For loop on enwiki. --Iketsi (talk) 06:58, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More specifically, I need its dynamic incremental iterator function. --Iketsi (talk) 07:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@1989, Fæ, Jeff G., Lucas Werkmeister, Martin Urbanec, Rodhullandemu, and Speravir: pinging template editors so that I can continue where I left off. --Iketsi (talk) 22:37, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Rodhullandemu: It should be as simple as Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V from w:en:Module:For loop to meta:commons:Module:ForLoop and from w:en:Template:For loop to meta:commons:Template:For. From what I can tell, the changes should be backward-compatible. --Iketsi (talk) 00:17, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Iketsi: ✓ Done. Hope I didn't break anything :-). --Martin Urbanec (talk) 07:45, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Martin Urbanec: Thanks! Could you also update meta:commons:Template:For per above to make the module usable? –Iketsi (talk) 04:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Iketsi: Template:For seems to already be functionally-equivalent to en:Template:For loop? It uses a different module name, but otherwise, it sounds to be equivalent. Best, --Martin Urbanec (talk) 15:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Martin Urbanec: Sorry – you are right – the outdated documentation threw me off. Thanks again! –Iketsi (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[[Template:]][edit]

Please either downgrade the protection or attend to the protected edit request on the template's talk page. Thanks in advance. 172.58.102.197 10:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which template are you talking about? --Achim (talk) 10:36, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please downgrade Module:Linguistic[edit]

Thanks in advance! --Marsupium (talk) 20:48, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Un)protection requests should go to COM:ANP, with a justification. This is a talk page about the Commons:Template editor page, not a request page; template editors can’t modify page protection anyway. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 23:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Done. --Marsupium (talk) 08:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: rename to Template editors[edit]

Currently, when you click on the “template editor” link in a user rights list (e.g. at Special:ListUsers/templateeditor), you get sent to Commons:Template editors, which is currently a redirect to Commons:Template editor. I suggest that we move the page to Template editors, so that the link works without a redirect (and without having to edit MediaWiki:Grouppage-templateeditor, which currently isn’t overridden on this wiki). That would also make the page consistent with Commons:Administrators, Commons:Translation administrators and Commons:Interface administrators. Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 18:04, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done 4nn1l2 (talk) 20:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thanks! Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 20:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request[edit]

Hi, could a template editor please have a look at my edit request at: Template talk:GFDL-1.3? Thank you. This would give me an easy approach to identify files that are GFDL 1.3+ as compared to GFDL 1.2+. Thanks. --Schlurcher (talk) 07:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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