User talk:Niridya/Archive 1

Archive 1

editing igen

1)I saw your edit in https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-sd_10000Articles.svg&diff=0&oldid=299976132 but it does not have any (visual) changes. Edits which have no visible changes are in general not very welcome, because every new stored version needs some resources.

2)I saw in your last edits that you did a wrong edit: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:MPlogo.svg&diff=prev&oldid=300192744 changed from MetaPost to Inkscape and removed the source-code

3)I saw that you rearrange the Categories (f.e https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:KGpg_icon.svg&diff=prev&oldid=300191831 ) but I don't understand the difference.

JoKalliauer (talk) 15:58, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@JoKalliauer: and thank you for your message !

1. I will pay more attention to this type of edits to not to overload the servers
2. For me, the code was previously not working, was-it for you ?
3. It's true that is not very useful.

--Niridya (talk) 16:19, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

For 2 it's my fault I haven't seen the code, I will fix this now --Niridya (talk) 16:22, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

For 1, if most of your edits are useful, it is in my opinion no problem (I got an E-mail that you did an edit.)

For 3, there is a sorting-order in Categories (the order they display at the bottom) in generally from the most important one to the last important one (I wanted to know if you know the rules), but just changing Categories does not make sense (due to 1).

But generally: If there is an {{Igen}}-Template you get the message.

'''Already present!'''
FAIL automatic insert Igen, please insert manually.

on the right side (easy to ignore), therefore always check the templates before and after, and I wouldn't use the script if there is an igen-template already existing. (or then edit it manually)

JoKalliauer (talk) 17:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your advice ! I will pay more attention to the message box displayed and if the template Igen is already present. --Niridya (talk) 18:17, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I doesn't know the rule of sorting categories, but I think it is good faith to do like you said. --Niridya (talk) 18:19, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

created with Inkscape

Why do you people keep adding "created with Inkscape" tags to files which were self-evidently not created with Inkscape? I went through a whole discussion at User talk:Thomas Linard, and really don't want to go through that again here... AnonMoos (talk) 17:58, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@AnonMoos: I know that problem but if the algorithm detect "Created with Inkscape" it is because it is the default value of {{Igen}} for parameter 1. So, the bug don't come from the Igen Script, he comes from the template. Do you think it is a good idea to ask for a edit of this template (to replace the Inkscape value by the Unknown software ? --Niridya (talk) 18:48, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't know very much about the tools and template involved, but I do know very well that if I didn't use Inkscape to generate an image, then I don't want a false claim that I did use it to be attached to the image description page... AnonMoos (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I completely agree with you... I think it's a good idea to suggest edit for admins (because template is protected) on his talk page. Like that, if an admin is interested to edit this rather complicated he will be able to change the message displayed by default. --Niridya (talk) 18:58, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I already mentioned it on this talkpage #editing igen in Point 2.

I use that script aswell, in my option, it is helpful tool but it is a bit buggy, and therefore you have to check every edit before and after. The tool recognises most tools [ "openoffice", "libreoffice", "sodipodi", "inkscape", "QGIS", "MATLAB", "Gnuplot", "CorelDRAW", "Illustrator"] correctly, but not all. If there is no tool specific attribute, the script can't be recognise the tool and lets the tool in {{Igen}} empty. {{Igen}} assumes by defaulft Inkscape, which is wrong therefore you have to use the option u..unknown or O..Other Tool. The script can be found: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Perhelion/simpleSVGcheck.js . The normally very active Administrator is missed since March. JoKalliauer (talk) 19:12, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I saw that the script let the software parameter empty, and that's why I think it can be a good idea to set the default parameter as Unknown software instead of Inkscape. There are surely lots of pages where this template is used with this parameter empty, and all these images are categorized as Inkscape made, but it is not always the case. Do you also think it is a good idea to make this change ? --Niridya (talk) 19:26, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I already had this discussion with @Sarang: (User_talk:Sarang#Bot_for_Igen, in German): Perhelion created the script is a very experienced user, but suddenly disappeared two month ago. Perhelion informed Sarang, after finishing the script (User_talk:Sarang#User:Perhelion/simpleSVGcheck.js, in German), therfore I would ask Sarang, but Sarang said a few days ago that Sarang does not has the skills to edit this script, therefore there won't be any improvements. JoKalliauer (talk) 20:27, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I think I don't explain well this I wanted to say. I wasn't talking about editing the script but I would like to talk about the template edition. I think it is the template we should improve. --Niridya (talk) 20:36, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not read properly. I also had this discussion with @Sarang: , but since many Inkscape-SVG just keept it blank because it is per default Inkscape it is difficult to change it afterwards. In my Opinion here are three possible solutions:

• Per Default, it wont say "Created by Inkscape", but "Assumed to be created by Inkscape". Therefore in future everyone will specify Inkscape, and empty tool will be fewer in future. And in the long run, it might be changed to the second solution
• Run a bot that changes empty tool to "Inkscape" or "I".
• Keep as it is (maybe most likely, also according to Sarang)

JoKalliauer (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi everybody, @JoKalliauer: I could change the script, now no "empty" tool will be anymore, at least there will be the "U" for unknown. Please keep in mind that this will be the also case when the source is hand-written - I am working to set automatically a "T" when the file size is small, less than 1 KB. You know, the script only makes proposals, your check for other tags (embedded/pathed text, bugs, pdf cdata, ...) and for topic and subcategorizing remains substantial! -- sarang♥사랑 05:15, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if you read wrong. ;-) Personally, I think the step 1 is a very good idea. Like did @AnonMoos: today, lots of users may delete edits because they have not created their SVG with Inkscape. The second step is a good idea also, mostly if the (future) bot set the blank parameter to "Assumed to be created by Inkscape".

I think if we let the template like now, it may have many other discussions about this thing. --Niridya (talk) 21:03, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

IMHO the idea "Assumed ..." will not be a solution; unaltered Inkscape is clearly to recognize; a lot of other tools (e.g. Chemtool) finally switch to Inkscape, if we know that tool we can specify it, otherwise Inkscape will not be bad. Always a problem rises when files are manually changed, or (as often happens) a file has a history of different tools, e.g. Inkscape and Adobe Illustrator; or the GIMP problemacy.

The scripts tries to find hints for the tool in the SVG source code and make proposals - but a human view can detect more, esp. with some experience. I know, it can be a tediuous work; only the creator of a file knows exactly, but when he fails to specify it can only be done afterwards, to best knowledge which nevertheless can be wrong... -- sarang♥사랑 05:51, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sarang: Maybe another solution is a Warning in the preview if the first parameter in {{Igen}} is kept empty, but the Warning won't display on the actual site. (Something like "Please specify a Image-generation-Tool, if nothing is specified Inkscape will be assumed). (I think I saw something only appears in preview in de:Vorlage:Literatur, but I'm not sure any more.) JoKalliauer (talk) 08:40, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@JoKalliauer: no, I don't think that's a solution either: skilled users of the script know that they must look for the source code of an unknown drawing, at least in most cases — novice users are exerted by such warnings. "Unknown" is never wrong, it tells nothing except that the user who completed the file description does not know about the tool. Perhelion's empty parameter had never been a good idea and it caused a lot of confusion, e.g. when AnonMoos did not make a generation notice and others could not know about his postscript. I am really happy that I was successful in changing the script to offer the "U", and I think that the problems are now solved - EOD! -- sarang♥사랑 09:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

 Thank you. @Sarang: for your edit on the script ! I think it is the best thing we can do ! You are a very good developer ;-) --Niridya (talk) 13:06, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Tes problèmes avec l'atelier de cartes

Bonjour, very late I get knowledge about your problems with the insertion of "Kartenwerkstatt". The problem is not a new one; it comes from communication lacks between the script and Igen, resp. between Perhelion and me. While I made an own parameter for the Graphic labs, the script just adds the box with the "T" parameter (and did not pass the topic); when the box consists of a table, that will go wrong. I did not find the file where your problem arises; but when you manually change the Kartenwerkstatt against the Igen-paremeter "gd" (for "graphic lab/de" I am sure it will work fine. BTW the same short code exists for other national graphic labs, as you may see in the doku - or shorter at Igen/lab.
We are working to overcome this difficulty, but the script is not so easy to maintain. When you get troubles, ask me directly! -- sarang♥사랑 11:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Sarang: , and thank you for your answer ! I tested to replace {{Igen|Inkscape|+|s=m|T={{Kartenwerkstatt}}}} by {{Igen|Inkscape|+|s=m|g=de}} and it works ! Now, I will do this every-time I got this bug. For another bug (with {{Retouched picture}}) I also found a solution on Template:Image generation/doc. --Niridya (talk) 14:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Image generation

Bonjour encore, Niridya. When I tried to find your problems with "Kartenwerkstatt" I saw that you made completions for many files. I think this is a very essential and valuable work, sorry about the problems with some templates. And it is not an easy work - it needs much attention to do it in the best way. A lot of cosmetics is done by the script, but other actions it can't do (or does not do it currently). In many cases it proposes the topic, e.g. the "m" for "Map" or the "l" for "Logo"; but it cannot find out all, e.g. the "ch" for "Chart", the "npi" for "Noun project icons", or others. When I saw an edit of you, you missed the topic in that map, and some other things: repairing all the red links to the user (it is easy to change the {{U}} to the {{Ut}} or {{Uw}}), the tags for embedded text and embedded raster. When you don't set the topic, or a wrong one, the subcategorization fails and the description does not know either.
BTW, don't hesitate to complete the topic translation, some french expressions are missing, or suboptimal! I did my best to maintain the french translations, but I am not so perfect in your language. When you find errors, please correct them: while it is worthy to correct single file descriptions, these translation features are for the best of a larger community. When you have questions, ask me. When you need an expansion or correction of a template, tell me. Cdlt -- sarang♥사랑 12:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I will pay more attention for parameters s and template U. For translations, I would like to help (I wanted for {{Created with MetaPost/fr}} but it was only mistakes...). Can you help me for this template and I will try for other ones ? --Niridya (talk) 14:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

{{Created with MetaPost}} is one of the templates that is changed to the new I18n-processing - {{Created with MetaPost/fr}} isn't longer used! For MetaPost and all the changed other templates only {{Created with .../fr}} is used for french, and others for the other languages. As far as I know it is working fine, it handles many topics with both genders; but some templates like MetaPost currently don't subcategorize, there is no need for with just 76 items. For some templates with thousands of items subcategorisation is essential, it can be done with s= or sub=, while definition of topics without subcat can be done with w=.

Sorry that it is very difficult, because many options are offered by Igen. -- sarang♥사랑 15:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I think you have science infused ! :) That's a lot of things to learn for me.  Thank you. for help ! --Niridya (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

And, why (for you if you set Commons language to french) on {{Created with Adobe Illustrator}}, all the parameters at the bottom, for CoA, Maps... are not all displayed ? --Niridya (talk) 22:28, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

By "displayed" I mean they aren't switched from "image vectorielle" to, for example, "carte". --Niridya (talk) 22:31, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sarang: now it's completely working ! Have you made important change for every translations or for a template ? If no, it is surely the time for servers to apply on every pages the translations I made. --Niridya (talk) 17:20, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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More suggestions: Please give SVG maps of the world the topic s=wm! In Iberian Union empires.svg I showed you several possibilities to mention a vectorization; in that file description it is too often told, to show you the different choices: with the |description= (not recommended), with the |source= (Own based) or with the |author=; author with {{AutVec}} seems to me the best choice. You know, when png name and SVG name are exactly the same, these two templates not need the repetition the full name, like in Kreis.svg. My script is working well? -- sarang♥사랑 07:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

 Thank you. for {{AutVec}}. I also find (or you possibly gave me, I don't remember) Template:Igen/sub that contain every types of subcategories. It is a very useful page I think. --Niridya (talk) 15:59, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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Bonsoir, merci beaucoup for your reparation of the topics – as you saw, I was correct with 'cette' but completely wrong with 'ce' that I thought otherwise... If you want, at Created with ... there are many examples bottommost, for checking.

Adobe: That's just because I didn't maintain the "old" translation templates, I have enough to do with the new ones. Now I made the {{Created with Adobe Illustrator/fr}} for you; but the {{Created with Adobe Illustrator}} is protected, and I cannot make the "vide publier les modifications" to show the changes immediately. The feature with the topics is realtively new, I had the idea end of 2016, and it is more complicated work than I thought. And, as far as I know, nobody had yet discovered the expanded display... Or my errors in French

Late I start to realize: masculin + vowel = "cet" ; now I have to work again on the template...

I had not even thought^^ But after checking I see it's this rule that is applied ! --Niridya (talk) 17:55, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Igen/sub: It comes because I wanted an easy method to subcategorize – categories too stressed are not very helpful. It is ok to have 4000 icons of the same source in a category, but icons of different sources I put into different cat's. If needed and useful, Igen/sub can get new entries. On the other hand, when a template like Gnuplot creates only diagrams, I think subcategorizin is not so useful; the same is with Chemtool and others. You added Valid SVG created with Gnuplot:Diagrams and you saw the system I invented, and you made everything very well. Maybe that I subcategorize the other Gnuplot diagrams within the next days, with a VFC task. When you add new entries to I/sub or I/top, keep in mind that these are highly used templates, and they should not changed more often than necessary!

Indeed it's a good idea don't edit too much heavily used templates. --Niridya (talk) 17:55, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Gnuplot and others: When file descriptions show source code it should be done with Igen, that categorizes automaticly; previous cat's must be removed. When needed I can tell you more. -- sarang♥사랑 17:22, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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Deletion: if all Created with XXX/lang were replaced by Created by XXX Created by .../lang, should we delete all Created with XXX/lang templates ? Or that would be a problem ? --Niridya (talk) 17:55, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Later at some time I will let them delete - when all is replaced; they are not disturbing, and I voided them. But it is still a lot of work to do that, may be I will be ready in June or July. It's surgery on a living body - I need to be very careful! So I am doing it slow and accurate.

Adobe2: After some errors, the template can now display "ce", "cet" and "cette"! French is a special language - I love it but it does not love me. I abstain to correct again {{Created with Adobe Illustrator/fr}}, soon even Adobe will be changed to the new I18n-method. I cannot change Adobe now, I have to wait that an admin fulfills another inbetween request on a protected template. Cdlt -- sarang♥사랑 18:17, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

With the i18n process, we can centralize translations on one page and delete Created with XXX/lang if I correctly understood ? --Niridya (talk) 18:26, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for taking care, much appreciated, kind regards from --Rode raaf (talk) 19:18, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

@Rode raaf: You're welcome ! Thank you a lot for your message ! --Niridya (talk) 12:57, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

SVG created with ... templates

Bonjour! You are very experienced; I saw that you changed some SVG created with ... templates to the new translation system, and you did it well. As a matter of fact, it is not such a great help with my project because I am loosing the overview – it is better you don't change these templates. I like a detailed test of each change.
There are many other duties if you have too much spare time: when you look into the template category above, you can see that some Meta-Categories e.g. ChemDraw, CorelDRAW contain files; it comes from wrong use of the templates (missing parameters) or "direct categorizing" (the many thousands files at Adobe Illustrator and Inkscape are a larger problem). Because every single file needs to be checked for the W3C-validity, it is a very tedious work! The script helps a lot but it is still much manual work. The same problem are the files in Unspec SVG created with Text Editor, see the explanation there. I am just preparing similar unspec categories for Adobe and Inkscape.
In the meantime I got what I requested from an admin, and I think of good progress with the great change. cdlt -- sarang♥사랑 06:56, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Please, always use Inkscape (and others) with a topic! I added the "f" in Lokeren vlag.svg. -- sarang♥사랑 07:07, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Hallo lieber Wikipedian ! I will let you change set the deletion warming message ! I will try to improve the meta categories instead. For the s=f I do always from when you explained to me. On this file, it was only a mistake, sorry. --Niridya (talk) 13:01, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

We all try to make not too many mistakes; but you observed my difficulties with Igen/& - my templates are always growing and becoming complicated, and sometimes there are really too many brackets and conditions...

About s= : there is no list of the possible codes, nowhere is shown the relation between s/sub/, Igen/sub and Igen/top to the different :Topics subcategories - it can only be seen in the codings. Some mnemotechnic empathy may help, but it remains a problem to many users. I thought about creating a documentation; but I know only very few people read docus, esp. when they are too long. As soon as others will add items to Igen/sub & /top, without mainaining such a docu, it will differ. Niridya, I do not know how to solve this lack of info. So I concentrate in development, hoping that others will be able to enjoy the advantages.

I made now an edit request for Created with Adobe, when it is done and everything is fine with the new translation system, Created with Inkscape will follow. Unfortunatele only about 10 of 50 languages can use all the new stuff with topics etc, the great mayority of languages is strange to me. Later I will look for translation help, you know how complicated the French template is! Ok, I continue best as I can. Have a nice work! -- sarang♥사랑 17:31, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your edit on Illustrator's template ! That's already better to use centralized translations, because if anyone edit, it's an edit for all templates. I can help in French (I think you already know) and in English at a lower level. --Niridya (talk) 20:04, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Good news: to your info, Created with Adobe was done by an admin. Now it shows all new translations, also yours in French! Adobe has also many raster graphics; they had been called "vector graphics" by Adobe because it did not know himself that it created not only SVG... Now they will come into the new PNG created with Adobe Illustrator and its topics (you know, I had long discus how to call this category, as a complement to "SVG created with xxx", and after different ideas like "Raster images created ...". "Bitmap created ..." and other lang names we decided to call it short PNG - but it contains all bitmap graphics e.g. PNG, GIF, PDF and more). Igen can be used as well at bitmaps but it won't be offered automatically - not yet.
Now the template categorizes SVG without specifications automatically into Unspec SVG created with Adobe Illustrator, all the garbage is now there – more than 25000 SVG files. IMHO it is a large step in the direction to tidy up the Commons! Soon I will have also Inkscape changed to the new translation system, it is much less complicated because it does only vector graphics.
Thanks for your offer, at the moment is nothing to translate, because your translation works everywhere. -- sarang♥사랑 06:38, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Danke auch dir for all your edits on this subject, but what means "e.g." ? We don't use this abbreviation in french^^. Now, we (or you because you prefer) juste need to convert all Created with XXX templates to the i18n centralized templates. --Niridya (talk) 14:28, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I think you should now, if you don't have too work, switch {{Created with BKchem}} to i18n because it is often used. ;) --Niridya (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sarang: You've edited {{Created with Other tool}} for i18n changes. Can we translate the |16=an {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{other}}}}}|u|unknown|other}} editor or tool because I saw you set "currently only in English" ?

Please review the source code

Please re review the source code of this image.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 07:51, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Jeromi Mikhael:  ! That's done, I reviewed your file ! --Niridya (talk) 15:34, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Category strangeness

Why did your edit to the page File:Dominican US Western province coat of arms (Deus Providebit motto variant).svg move that image into the non0existent categories "Category:Unspec SVG created with Text Editor:CoA" and "Category:SVG simplified signs:CoA"? -- AnonMoos (talk) 02:49, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi @AnonMoos: it seems to be an error in the communication of templates. I am looking for it. -- sarang♥사랑 15:07, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Niridya: I do not know why you editet to the tool "{Created with) Text Editor". I confess that I wrote that template long, long ago, because there had not been something to fulfill the needs. I did not have the skill to write rather complicated templates, and it is a really bad work, complegtely incomparable to all the other Created with ... templates. I had two other bad templates, SimplSVG and HandSVG, both are using the T.E. HandVG is able to understand the parameters like the others, and Image generation transcludes HandSVG instead of calling T.E. directly - if you do it, T.E. does not understand the parameters from Igen and it runs wrong.

When you tell Igen the abbreviation "T" everything goes well. We never had gthere a problem because the script does not link to either - and when I used it I did it always with "T" without getting the idea to do it otherwise. If you think, I can change the Igen-docu, that "T" calls HandSVG.

Niridya, now all SVG created with ... templates are changed to the new translation feature, incuding Adobe and Inkscape (only Text Editor cannot be changed and will continue to work its own way). I will now look for translators of the more exotic languages, e.g. Slavic or Far East idioms. At Category talk:Created with ... I18nTemplates you can see that only a few languages are yet  Done.

The W3C-validator is not doing well since some days, that makes things more difficult. -- sarang♥사랑 15:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Sarang:  ! What did I do wrong with {{Created with Text Editor}} ? I haven't made any edit on this page...

I recently saw for the W3C validator bug, it comes from W3C, not from Commons ? --Niridya (talk) 17:39, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Not the C.w.T.E. itself, but that edit which transcluded it (directly "Igen|Text Editor" - instead of the 'adapter' template "HandSVG" via "Igen|T"; I know, there is something misleading, I did not expect that users will do like you did. I learned from that, and you too. -- sarang♥사랑 19:27, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

images pas W3C-spécifiées

Bonjour! To diffuse the many thousands files in the categories Created with Inkscape and Created with Adobe Illustrator I had expanded the main templates; now exist categories SVG files without W3C-specification where the W3C-unspecified files are collected, for further maintenance; the main categories held now only the files that are erroneously categorized directly (with "[[Category:Created ...]]"). I expanded also the French box to tell that - would you please check the correctness? Just look at a file e.g. 14-episinomenine.svg, in your language. Might it be better to show it not in bold letters? Or do you suggest a better expression? cdlt -- sarang♥사랑 05:41, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Sarang and well done for your edits ! I checked the file and your edits and it's very good. ;) For the categories, you say that every (2 440) files in Created with Inkscape have been manually set? For the bold W3C indications, I think it is good and it help to see that all isn't good. But I will try to find something more french than "pas W3C-spécifiées" or "non W3C-spécifiées" because it is not natural. --Niridya (talk) 16:23, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, every one, as you can check, with [[Category:Created with Inkscape]]; but the 56240 unspecified files are not better! Both cases are is not informative, enough work todo to make it useful. It would be easy to change with VFC the 2440 - but it would not be any advantage. It will be rather work for the coming generations to look with the script into each single file to tag it with its properties. And during all the time more new files are categorized in this style...

The French expression is good for the moment - you can change it whenever you like, when you have a better idea. I am not completely happy with the English "unspecified", and the category "Unspec " is even worse, but it is good enough for the moment. -- sarang♥사랑 18:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

File:Dominican US Western province coat of arms.svg

This now belongs to the non-existent categories "Category:Unspec SVG created with Text Editor:CoA" and "Category:SVG simplified signs:CoA"... AnonMoos (talk) 14:42, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

@Sarang: can you look at this category problem ? When I set the parameter T (in {{Igen}}) there is no problem. But when I set Text Editor, categories bug (see the old version of the CoA). --Niridya (talk) 11:51, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

"Text editor" is not assigned to communicate this way with Igen! The correct template is {{HandSVG}} which is transcluded when you use "T". -- sarang♥사랑 14:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay, but {{HandSVG}} redirects to {{Created with Text Editor}}.

Can you (if you have the time) switch {{Created with Text Editor}} to I18n system ? --Niridya (talk) 14:23, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Please review the source code

@Niridya: Please re review the source code of this image. And by the way, how do you use this and that? I only use and the message was :

--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 13:51, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

The review is  Done.

The W3C Validator is a tool developed by W3C. W3C is a non-profit organisation that make Web languages like HTML, CSS and SVG. This tool is used to check if the SVG (or other languages) code of a file is valid. Currently, the message you get if always displayed when we check a file from Wikimedia Commons, I think it is a problem of W3C (not of your browser or your file).

The cleanup.js is a script used to clean file pages. You can add it to your User:Jeromi Mikhael/common.js with importScript('User:Magog the Ogre/cleanup.js');. If I remember, it adds buttons in the left menu (under the Commons logo, at the bottom). --Niridya (talk) 14:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jeromi Mikhael: If you want to check it manually you can check it with nu or you could specify the Doctype SVG 1.1 for W3C.  — Johannes Kalliauer - Talk | Contributions 19:37, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

I didn't know the Nu checker, thank you a lot ! I tested the W3C validator with doctype SVG 1.1 and it works ! Thank you ! --Niridya (talk) 19:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Actually the Nu checker is used such edits (in User:Sarang/simpleSVGcheck.js), because Nu ignores Doctype, that can lead to a different (in most cases lower) number than recorded by W3C. For example File:Liberty_Bell_icon.svg W3C: 3551 errors, nu: 1000 errors (Stops counting), and if you run the script you will get 1000 errors.  — Johannes Kalliauer - Talk | Contributions 19:53, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

So, now I will surely use the Nu checker instead of W3C checker. --Niridya (talk) 19:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@Niridya and JoKalliauer: Thank you so much for all of your help! Just 3 months from my first file that was created in SVG, and then I can get this far! By the way, what is the difference between Inkscape SVG and Plain SVG?--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 03:06, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Archive

Bonjour, Peux-tu expliquer pourquoi ces modifications ? [1] Cordialement, Yann (talk) 20:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Bonjour @Yann: j'ai fait ces modifications des paramètres du bot car il présente un bug lors de l’archivage : il rajoute toujours deux lignes vides au début de l'archive. J'ai tenté de corriger ça car j'ai soupçonné un prblème avec {{Automatic archive navigator}} mais je ne suis pas sûr que le problème vienne de là, d'où cette modification visant à tester les paramètres par défaut du bot (pour voir s'il utilise un autre modèle). --Niridya (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah OK. Bon, 2 lignes vides, ce n'est pas très grave... Yann (talk) 22:53, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

C'est pas faux. Mais je crois que je suis vraiment un peu trop maniaque de l'optimisation. --Niridya (talk) 23:02, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

File tagging File:Snap!.png

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Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:56, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Ronhjones: the software associated and the logo are over AGPL Free Software licence (a derivative of GNU GPL). See the licencing page in GitHub. --Niridya (talk) 10:45, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

There is also this link in the Therms of Service of the software's website. --Niridya (talk) 11:03, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Well the link needs to go on the image page, so that users can verify the license. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 12:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, and if I understand it is the case. Because the image I uploaded to Commons is the one at the left of Terms of Service. --Niridya (talk) 13:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Merci

Bonjour Niridya, you are doing a good work, thank you! If I may give you some additional hints, e.g. from some more templates you are not yet using. Some time ago the Template:AutVec was made, to enable a good description about a file's vectorization - previously it had not been possible (and Retouched is wrong for that case); to describe the facts it has different possibilities, and I used some of them in my last edits. For Wikipedia links you can use W for the en:Wp, and "Wf", "Wi", "Wd" and others for fr, it, de and a few more. AFAIK the script is a bit personalized - I get the "%" when a file has embedded text, you don't get it? The script cannot see, like a human user, when a file contains [path] text, and the "<" is adviced. Sometimes the source is well described with Own based, Own using as you can see at my last edits. I hope that you like the efficiency of that templates, and if you get some ideas to make them better, just tell me! cdlt -- sarang♥사랑 09:15, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Sarang: and thank you for your help ! I will try to set all templates when I think at them. But I didn't understand what you said about the % in the Igen template? ;) --Niridya (talk) 12:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

You know that Igen uses several "other characters" to set tags - the docu mentions them, e.g. "%" for embedded text, "<" for path text, "~" for PGF, "!" for raster, and many others. Perhelion expanded his script that a lot of these short codes are preset; since some days I get also the "%" (and others codes) when he scans the SVG source code. Do you get it also, when the condition occurs?

I got the impression that you do not know yet the possible simplification when I saw your edit of Apple Computer Logo rainbow.svg, when you changed e.g. [[:en:Apple Inc.]] to [[:en:Apple Inc.|Apple Inc.]] (either by full text edit, or by just setting the pipe) and not to the short {{w|Apple Inc.}}. You can use templates, or not, just as you like; but to decide you ought to know about! -- sarang♥사랑 13:08, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Sarang: I tested on File:Aquila Araldica2.svg for the BadSVG parameter and... it works for me ! We can thank @Perhelion: .

For the {{W}} template, I know how to use it, and I think it is a good template, but I often forgot to set it... Sorry... ;) --Niridya (talk) 11:39, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, his script is really very useful. It will not be bad to check sometimes his proposals, but in most cases it will not be necessary any more to change a lot. The example Aquila Araldica2.svg has at least the complete Inkscape prologue, before it turns out to be nevertheless a Fake SVG. Do you want a French text in the dotted box?

Niridya, you are not obliged to use templates! But sometimes you may want to use them when they make things easier. Of course, every output of a template can as well produced written with other methods, and it is your autonomous decision how you prefer to do it! In some cases templates are the better choice, because with a central change of the template's code things, e.g. categorizings, can be altered very easy for a great lot of files. Some templates (e.g. C, F, T, W) change the understrokes to spaces which IMHO looks better more correct.

In the special case of the Igen you will need sometimes many lines of code to express what with Igen needs just a few characters; of course, it is somehow kryptic, everything minimalised and abbreviated to the point, it may be difficult to use or to understand, and very hard or impossible to maintain the template itself —- but when this is accepted it can, together with the script, simplify descriptions that tell all the interesting facts, and categorize depending on the various situations of the code.

It can be summarized for Wikipedia, or for the Commons: the better you know this environment (where one part of it [not the most essential one!] is the usage of the templates), the better and easier you can do a good work – and enjoy it. Life consists of lifelong learning, this is also valid for contributing to this encyclopedia. Cdlt -- sarang♥사랑 13:59, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

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Svp take care, at the moment there are troubles with the tool "IA", as at Noble Partner Exercise 2018 Participant Countries.svg. -- sarang♥사랑 15:53, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I like to use templates to optimize syntax and readability of descriptions. I only forgot to set them sometimes. :)

If you want to translate the {{FakeSVG}} template, you can start doing it ! I will check your translations after you do it.

I don't see any bug in the precedent version of the file who has an IA problem, all is perfect (graphically and grammatically). (and I don't understand nothing in the talk page, because Google Translator seems don't like German^^) --Niridya (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, it is a bad habit of us to talk sometimes in German. The script has a problem, it assumed Adobe + Inkscape where it should see Inkscape only. When the script proposes "IA" it should be checked whether it's true - until the fault will be mended. I corrected the "Noble Partner" file from "IA" to "I" (and added the correct topic). Thanks for your offer to help me with translations. -- sarang♥사랑 20:40, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

It's not bad for German talk pages. ;) I will fix this parameter when I see it. Thanks for telling me. --Niridya (talk) 21:09, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Your request

At AN you had been successful with an edit. Without telling me, it is just accidentally that I detected it, and performed it too in the sandbox - otherwise the next change would have undone it! It was not a conflict, the last style attributes always overwrite the previous ones. BTW, such changes should be done better in the template Commonist than in Igen. -- sarang♥사랑 09:32, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Sarang: , I know you aren't an administrator, that's why I didn't told you avout this change. I will do it the next time. Also, I haven't thought at the sandbox...

I precedently fixed the same bug on another template (the one which say "and with xXx") but this time the bug was on {{Image generation}} and not on {{Commonist}}. --Niridya (talk) 12:45, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Bonjour, I saw your other fix. What I wanted to say: a wrong parameter sent from Igen to Commonist can be repaired/ignored/replaced by Commonist, to avoid the too often change of the heavily used and large Igen template that stresses the servers. In such cases I repair errors in the not-protected subtemplate and adjust the Igen/sandbox for the next time.

I tried a rough translation of FakeSVG, hoping that it can be understood by French people. May be I'll try as well for TopoSVG. Cdlt -- sarang♥사랑 13:04, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Really an obvious error?

I think, "Fit with other body kits" is surelly not obvious error (criterion 3) as you marked this edit. It can fall rather under criterion 4 (To harmonize the names of a set of images so that only one part of all names differs). --ŠJů (talk) 17:43, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

@ŠJů: Hi ! You're right, I should have set the Criterion 4. --Niridya (talk) 18:36, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

File:Tony Kendall.jpg

Pour info. : Le fichier Tony Kendall.jpg est proposé pour suppression rapide en raison de contravention au droit d'auteur et en raison de fausse license qui avait été apposée par le téléverseur d'origine sur en.wikipedia. (Pour détails, voir source image conditions.) -- Asclepias (talk) 15:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Bonjour @Asclepias: , j'ai vu en effet et c'est une bonne chose : je croyais (à tort du coup) qu'il était sous licence libre. --Niridya (talk) 16:38, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! Mercedes-Benz R172 dashboard

Mercedes-Benz R172 dashboard........rename...

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		For all your valuable contributions Mercedes-Benz R172 dashboard Miami.

— Preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.155.207.175 (talk) 21:57, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @190.155.207.175:  ! ;) --Niridya (talk) 14:06, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

File:Wikipedia_technician.svg

Bonjour.
J'ai révoqué la modification Revision of File:Wikipedia_technician.svg car la suppression du fichier romprait la chaîne d'attribution. Vous pouvez nommer le fichier Wikipedia_technician.svg pour suppression régulière.

Incnis Mrsi (talk) 11:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Bonjour @Incnis Mrsi: , c'est ce que je vais faire du coup. --Niridya (talk) 14:03, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Author of USB-C image

Hello,

I guess this image c:File:USB_Type-C_icon.svg is made from my image c:File:USB_Type-C.svg because there was a discussion on removing the sub title. Are you really the author of that image? Did you draw it on your own today? Funny that it has exactly the same pixels than my image! I wait for response... --Pietz (talk) 11:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@Pietz: I didn't know that there had been a discussion about croping the image. I created this version by croping you one, te replace file:USB Type-C icon.png by a vector version.

Sorry if I forgot to set {{Own based}}, I will do this now. :D Thanks for your image ! --Niridya (talk) 12:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

USB-C categories

Could you create

• category:USB-C connectors and link that with "USB-C connector (d:Q58051489)"?
• category:USB-C adapters and link that with "USB-C adapter (d:Q58180297)"?

Maybe there could also be "USB-C cables", "USB-C devices". 2.247.1.10 14:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

We already have lots of categories with technical name Type-C so I created Category:USB Type-C connectors and Category:USB Type-C adapters and I will link Wikidata items.

I informs you that it exist Category:USB Type-C and (this time^^) it contain files only about connectors, so I don't know if Category:USB Type-C connectors is necessary. --Niridya (talk) 22:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup, tres cool! Could you also make "cables" and put it into category:USB cables and category:USB Type-C? 92.229.96.121 23:30, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done Es ist auch fertig ! --Niridya (talk) 23:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Tres bien - Kooperation Franco-Allemand :-). Another: hubs inside category:USB hubs. Example: File:USB C Hub.png . 92.229.96.121 23:48, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done by the french! xD --Niridya (talk) 23:55, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Naming error "USB USB Type-C hubs‎" :-) 92.229.96.121 23:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC) // I could create a new Category:USB Type-C hubs. Didn't know as IP I can do it. 92.229.96.121 00:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

I created category:USB-C receptacle on smartphones and category:USB-C smartphones. The latter category helped me to find another photo of a USB-C port on a smartphone. 92.229.96.121 03:09, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

"USB-C" is the only name that is OK for most of the languages. Long forms vary, see d:Lexeme:L35201 (tip, tipo, tipus, Typ, typu, 타입) I renamed those category that you created today on my request and left a redirect. My new ones also use "USB-C" Could you rename (move to preserve history, as these are a bit older) the following to "USB-C":

1. Category:USB Type-C
2. Category:USB Type-C plugs‎
3. Category:USB Type-C receptacles‎

? This will make linking from Wikipedias that use the article title "USB-C" easier - no need to specify the name, since in templates the default is the article name. It will also help when one wants to share a link to Commons in email, social network or whereever, because it is shorte. And each time people have to type the category name it will be easier for them, because it is shorter. I looked in twitter https://twitter DOT com/search?q=USB-C&src=typd&lang=en and found a pic from the recent Apple event showing a large "USB-C" [2]. Next year maybe the new iPhone will also have USB-C. (I don't have any Apple product.). But I think it is a good technology and want a first class presentation across all Wikimedia websites. I also worked on en:USB-C yesterday. Still a lot to do. 92.227.231.106 03:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done for categories renaming. I don't have either Apple products but I will like all devices to have USB Type-C with USB PD technology!

If you have the time, it's good to work on USB-C article. Danke!

On my side I am working on USB Type-C icon.svg to create a receptacle and to harmonize with others pinouts. --Niridya (talk) 13:37, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Category:USB-C - PNGs for deletion

Category:USB-C contains 5 files, three PNGs should be deleted, SVGs exist and text in general is not wanted in graphics

• Commons:Deletion requests/File:USB Type-C icon.png zxx - SVG
• Commons:Deletion requests/File:USB Type-C.png "Type-C" - SVG
• Commons:Deletion requests/File:USB Type-C Punjabi.png - text not wanted, can use SVG, unused file

92.229.96.121 23:37, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for these requests. I have changed some links to be more obvious. --Niridya (talk) 13:40, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Modification

File:Extended-semi-protection-shackle-frwiki.svg Salut, j'ai modifié le fichier ci-joint avec la couleur (le jaune marron pas trop top en couleur même si ça respecte la charte graphique, alors j'ai changé avec la couleur #a2a9b1 , couleur qui respecte aussi la charte graphique, et j'ai mis un E pour "Etendue". Cdt Tomybrz Bip Bip 23:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Salut @Tomybrz:  ! Je viens de voir tes changements sur les différents cadenas :

• File:Office-protection-shackle-frwiki.svg : je ne suis pas sûr qu'on utilise un cadenas pour ce type de protection sur Wikipédia en français mais j'aime bien !
• File:Long-semi-protection-shackle-frwiki.svg : je trouve que c'est une bonne idée d'avoir le même fond mais avec un « L ». Comme ça les personnes qui ne connaissent pas les niveaux pensent que c'est pareil que la semi-protection et ceux qui connaissent sauront que c'est plus sur le long-terme.
• File:Extended-semi-protection-shackle-frwiki.svg : pour le « E » je trouve que c'est pas mal comme idée mais par contre le fond gris n'est pas logique car on a jaune pour une faible protection, du gris pour une protection moyenne et du rouge pour une protection forte.

Concernant les couleurs, je te propose : du Green50 (#00af89) pour la petite protection (semi-protection et semi-protection longue), du Yellow50 (#ffcc33) pour la protection moyenne (semi-protection étendue) et du Red50 (#dd3333) pour la protection forte (protection complète). Qu'en penses-tu ? --Niridya (talk) 14:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

J'aime bien, je vais tester de mon pc. Tomybrz Bip Bip 14:17, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Pour le cadenas noir, voir WP:PRN. Tomybrz Bip Bip 14:40, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Désaccord fort pour le cadenas de semi-protection vert. Je suggère de revenir aux couleurs précédentes qui allaient très bien (semi-protection en jaune pisse, semi-protection étendue en marron pisse de diabétique). En revanche bonne idée l'ajout de la lettre "L" pour la semi-protection longue. Od1n (talk) 20:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup @Tomybrz: pour la nouvelle page sur les niveaux de protection, c'est super complet !

@Od1n: Comme tu le fais remarquer, je préfère aussi les anciennes couleurs qui sont quand même plus logiques que celles de Tomybrz ou celles que j'avais proposé. --Niridya (talk) 22:17, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@Od1n and Tomybrz: J'ai aussi une autre remarque : en anglais shackle veut dire chaîne. Or, comme il est partout indiqué en français, on parle de cadenas. Pensez-vous qu'il serait pertinent de renommer les fichiers en remplaçant shackle par padlock ? --Niridya (talk) 01:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
(je précise que je pourrai faire moi même les renommages si vous n'avez pas les outils et que la plupart des pages incluant les cadenas seront modifiées par CommonsDelinker.) --Niridya (talk) 01:16, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Shackle veut dire ici l’arche (comme un demi-lien d’une chaîne), je pense parce que elle n’a pas le mème couleur que le corps du cadenas.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 20:27, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@Odysseus1479: c'est tout à fait possible. Et donc tu es plutôt pour Shackle ou pour Padlock ? --Niridya (talk) 11:38, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Autopatrol given

Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have granted autopatrol rights to your account; the reason for this is that I believe you are sufficiently trustworthy and experienced to have your contributions automatically marked as "reviewed". This has no effect on your editing, it is simply intended to make it easier for users that are monitoring Recent changes or Recent uploads to find unproductive edits amidst the productive ones like yours. In addition, the Flickr upload feature and an increased number of batch-uploads in UploadWizard, uploading of freely licensed MP3 files, overwriting files uploaded by others and an increased limit for page renames per minute are now available to you. Thank you.

At this time I have closed your request for patroller as not done since it doesn't appear that you have any history of actually patrolling edits/uploads here. Your edits don't appear to need patrolling though. --Majora (talk) 22:16, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Majora:  Thank you. --Niridya (talk) 22:30, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

File:BlankMap-World6.svg

Please retrieve. Because many files based on what now? --Dim Grits (talk) 12:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Dim Grits: ,

I did the rename to remove the 6 that wasn't used for others maps. There is a redirect to the actual file. I had forgotten to ask CommonsDelinker for global replace, that's now done.

--Niridya (talk) 22:09, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Didn't BlankMap-World.svg exist before?--Dim Grits (talk) 08:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Maybe, I don't remember. If there were another file, it was surely identic (because I can't delete page, I can only rename). --Niridya (talk) 19:02, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

@Dim Grits: I was wrong: there have been a deletion request I started, probably in order to rename, in November 2018 (it's a bit old, that's why I did not remeber). --Niridya (talk) 19:05, 20 March 2019 (UTC)