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"Foreign" churches in Paris

Merci Place Clichy! La religion est toujours compliqué avec moi. Mais est-ce que on peut changer le nom pour garder la catégorie? --Paris 16 (talk) 14:41, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Côte d'Ivoire at the 1981 North-South Summit in Cancun

Hello,

Yes, it took me some time to find-out who every person in the photo was. Here is a link [1] confirming that Foreign Minister Simeon Aké attended and not President Félix Houphouet-Boigny (see second link here).[2] Cheers. Aquintero82, (talk), 13:17, 10 May 2017, (UTC)

Hi,

I found this picture of Reagan with "acting" President Abdus Sattar [3]. He looks very much like the photo from the summit in 1981. Cheers. Aquintero82, (talk), 13:53, 12 May 2017, (UTC)

Orthodox / Eastern Orthodox

Are you sure this is what we want to do? And so sure that it doesn't need discussion? What about Oriental Orthodoxy, which is distinct from Eastern Orthodoxy, but also falls under the broader heading of Orthodoxy? - Jmabel ! talk 22:20, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Categorization

Hi. First you add Category:Barbary Corsairs to the cat Slavery in Algeria, then you begin to add the same former cat to the files within the latter cat... Any idea how to make categorization or just a small confusion? Best. --E4024 (talk) 08:49, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@E4024: It's debatable, really. In the absence of a cat dedicated to the w:Barbary slave trade, I thought that some files in Slavery in Algeria, but probably not all, desserve presence in both categories. However, the concepts of Barbary Corsairs and Slavery in Algeria are connected enough imho to justify the category inclusion. I wouldn't go as far as to remove slavery-related files from Slavery in Algeria to put them only in Barbary Corsairs. This would be category diffusion, which is not our case. So I guess it's one of those exceptions where the general rules for category diffusion just do not work. Place Clichy 09:02, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

If it's debatable then I will revert you and you can open a debate in our Categories for Discussion forum. Bye. --E4024 (talk) 09:05, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@E4024: Which part do you find appropriate to revert? The category inclusion or the file inclusion? Place Clichy 09:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Category:Harbourmaster's_offices_and_port_captaincies_in_the_United_Kingdom

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Men of Austria and Men in Austria

Hi Place clichy, sorry, but wether my french not my english is very good, but it's a difference between People in Austria or People from Austria - the images have all the location in Austria, but it's not sure that the people is coming from Austria - it's only working here - and so the Category:Men of Austria by occupation is so not true. True would be Category:Men in Austria by occupation - or what's your sense about this matter? --regards from Austria --K@rl (talk) 16:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Karl Gruber: Hello! I know the difference, and I created People in Austria. However, People by country categories are most often organized in People of XXX (instead of People from XXX or People in XXX) precisely because it would be too complicated to know the nationality of everybody picture in a photograph. In short, it does not matter if they are Brazilian or not, you do not have to worry of calling them "of Brazil". The worldwide renowned café waiters of Vienna are definitely an Austrian landmark, and it is perfectly fine to call them "of Austria" without asking them their ancestry. Place Clichy 16:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

The Category:People from is only correct, if you have a especial people with name, like an actor or a painter or a politician - all the other is not true. A People from can work also in an other country - so it's not good, if we continous the nonsens. --regards K@rl (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Karl Gruber: "People from XXX" is what you say. "People of XXX" is a lot more generic. Adding "People of XXX" to people working in XXX, for instance, is not nonsense. Place Clichy 18:59, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

with People of XXX" to people working in XXX is correct, but not one waiter in the Catgeory:Waiters in Austria‎ must be of Austria, but it's possible, that theare from weach other country. --K@rl (talk) 19:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Same problem here. The images in the category were photos of people taken in Levico Terme, not people of Levico Terme. I've re-created Category:People in Levico Terme and moved the photos back here. I've also put Category:Cecilia Vettorazzi in Category:People of Levico Terme (she was born there) so it's not empty and we don't have to be deleted. Consistency is great but (1) first of all we need consistency between the name of a category and its content and (2) there are a lot of "People in" categories (Category:People in New York City). Both categories can exist. --Jaqen (talk) 19:44, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jaqen: If you look closely, you will see that I personally created Category:People in New York City yesterday, and many other categories e.g. People by city of location, in an attempt to organise these People in... categories which I found in a very anarchic state. In the process, I have found several People in... categories in the main People by location category tree, which otherwise uses People of... or People from.... It is not always easy to draw a clear line between these categories. You are of course welcome to suggest any improvement to this work. Place Clichy 20:55, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

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Template:Subject by century

I just tried using {{Subject by century}} here: Category:18th century gallery pages by year. I can't seem to make it work. Thoughts? Evrik (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Evrik: 2 things are needed:

1. You need to remove the century number from the subject parameter: {{Subject by century| subject = gallery pages by year | image = | mothercat = Gallery pages by century | nobc = 1 }}
2. You need a hyphen in the category name (all of them): Category:18th-century gallery pages by year. I believe that this can be quickly implemented on a large number of categories with a bot work request, as this renaming seems pretty uncontroversial.

I believe that with these corrections the template should probably work better. Place Clichy 21:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

It's late here. I'll look at this in the morning. Evrik (talk) 04:21, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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Bilingual Croatian-German signs

Hello Place Clichey, I removed the cat Relations of Croatia and Germany from the cat Bilingual Croatian-German signs because there are two different things. The plaques are situated in Austria and have nothing to do with croatia ond no less with germany ;-) --regards -- K@rl (talk) Mid Abstond hoidn xund bleibn 09:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Catégorisation des sous-catégories de Category:Trilingual signs et autres

Un panneau indicateur italien-frioulan-allemand-slovène en Italie.

Bonjour, Place Clichy. Je tenais avant tout à vous remercier pour vos récentes contributions aux catégories des divers signes et enseignes multilingues. J'aimerais cependant souligner que les signes trilingues ne sont pas un sous-type de signes bilingues (ni vice-versa) et devraient plutôt être catégorisés sous Multilingual signs. Nous tâchons également d'éviter ce type monstruosité catégorielle, puisqu'une telle surabondance nuit à la navigation. Je propose traiter les signes bilingues et les signes trilingues comme des concept distincts, mais tous deux sous-types de signes multilingues. Nous aurons ainsi nettement moins de catégories à créer et à surveiller. Pour simplifier, accélérer et systématiser la catégorisation de ces nombreuses catégories, j'ai créé le modèle {{Cat multilingual objects}}. Il n'est pas tout à fait terminé, mais sa syntaxe peut déjà être disséminée et nous pourrons ajuster la catégorisation d'un point central par la suite. --Iketsi (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Iketsi: Bonjour ! J'ai effectivement essayé de catégoriser un certain nombre d'objets multilingues en fonction des langues. C'est évidemment un premier jet, que j'envisageais de modifier par la suite, par exemple en supprimant plus tard certaines catégories parents qui ne seraient plus nécessaires. Je suis d'accord avec votre idée d'essayer de conserver une structure commune et cohérente entre ces catégories. C'est une bonne idée d'utiliser un modèle pour le faire. Par contre je pense que des panneaux trilingues, par exemple allemand-italien-slovène, méritent d'être considérés aussi comme des panneaux bilingues italien-slovène ou allemand-slovène. Cela m'a l'air plus utile en terme de navigation, et aussi parce que l'utilisation du modèle {{GeoGroup}} dans ces catégories permet de générer des cartes incluant les sous-catégories. Si l'on génère une carte des panneaux utilisant l'italien et le slovène, il paraît utile que les panneaux utilisant aussi une troisième langue y figurent aussi, ce qui n'est possible que s'ils sont dans une sous-catégorie. Par ailleurs, pour certaines langues relativement rares, il me semble plus utile d'"ignorer" ces langues dans la catégorisation : par exemple, ce panneau routier en quatre langues est, à mon avis, plus utile dans une catégorie comme Category:Trilingual German-Italian-Slovene road signs que dans une hypothétique Category:Quadrilingual Friulian-German-Italian-Slovene signs.

Après mûre réflexion, je dois vous donner raison. L'argument {{GeoGroup}} est plutôt convaincant. Je vais ajouter les catégories supplémentaires au modèle afin d'uniformiser la catégorisation. --Iketsi (talk) 12:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

N.B. J'ai remarqué qu'il y a souvent des légendes multilingues sur des cartes postales, comme celle-ci par exemple, quadrilingue italien-français-anglais-allemand. Pensez-vous qu'il soit intéressant de catégoriser ces légendes par langue ou combinaison de langues ? Il existe déjà Category:Multilingual postcards. Place Clichy 10:49, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Excellente suggestion : {{Cat multilingual objects|4|postcards||English-French-German-Italian}} --Iketsi (talk) 12:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

"other version"

Please be careful how you use "other version". It is for different versions of the same photo (e.g. a different print from a negative, or something lightened, or color-shifted), not for a similar but distinct photo. - Jmabel ! talk 14:57, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@Jmabel: are you sure? For instance, when there are several photos of the same painting or work of art, I believe they are really other versions of the same thing. Users will probably benefit from being proposed links to other (sometimes better) versions to illustrate their articles. Place Clichy 15:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Arguably for a work of art (though even there I would consider making a category instead). But definitely not for two different pictures of a building. - Jmabel ! talk 18:27, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Iranian culture in the UK

Category Iranian culture in the United Kingdom is not necessary related to Iranian diaspora, it includes Iranian art in British museums, Iranian cultural and art exhibitions in the UK, showing Iranian movies in British cinemas, etc. So please stop with irrational changes. --Orijentolog (talk) 12:52, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: Thank you for your input. It is in general a good idea (and common practice) to bring together all aspects related to heritage of one country (Foo) in another country (Bar), in order not to keep them mixed with the rest of the bilateral relations category (e.g. Category:Relations of Iran and the United Kingdom) which has plenty unrelated stuff. That's why the best place for Fooian culture in Bar is probably as a child category of Fooian diaspora in Bar. It may not be optimal, but it's not irrational changes. Place Clichy 14:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Now I understood that irrational may also be offensive, no hard feelings please, it's just my donkey English. :) Regarding the issue, my plan is to open Cultural relations of Iran and the United Kingdom in few minutes, to include Iranian culture in the United Kingdom and categories like Anglican churches in Iran, etc. I'm aware that not all belong to Cultural diplomacy, but still I find it useful. What do you think? --Orijentolog (talk) 14:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: That's not a bad idea, but it would be strange to treat Iranian-British relations differently from other cultural bonds throughout the world. I don't think there are other Cultural relations of... and... categories. You are correct to say that not all cultural links between two nations and peoples go through organized diplomacy. I suggest you to have a look at Category:Foreign cultures in the United Kingdom for inspiration. Place Clichy 15:54, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm aware of it, but I still believe that it's a good solution and a fine example for future recategorization of other relations. Take a look at it now: Relations of Iran and the United Kingdom, and compare it with stuff like Relations of the United Kingdom and the United States and Relations of France and the United Kingdom. The former look much better and compact, thanks to two by subject categories. Beside military and cultural relations, it's also possible to further open economic and sport relations... --Orijentolog (talk) 16:23, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

What clogs the two categories you mentioned is in great part the categories of Politicians of country A with politicians of country B, or more widely People of country A with people of country B. If we managed to organize these a little bit better, that would definitely be an improvement. Place Clichy 16:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

That's for sure. By the way, opening economic and sport relations isn't my original idea, for example English Wiki has en:Category:China–United States economic relations and en:Category:Bilateral sports relations of France. --Orijentolog (talk) 18:28, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Funny thing is I actually created en:Category:Bilateral sports relations of France and en:Category:Bilateral sports relations some time back, precisely as a way to populate bilateral relations categories in an organized way. There are also a lot of military relations categories too. Place Clichy 22:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Haha, I didn't notice that before. :) Now as a Croat I'm becoming frustrated... three World Cups and Wikimedia categorization - always a step behind France. ;) --Orijentolog (talk) 18:40, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Non consensual move

Where did you get the consensus for such move with a discussion open? Please don't do it again or I'll have to block you for breaking the consensus. -- Blackcat 19:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

"Spanish-language" inscriptions

I'm wondering a little about this edit. While Ladino is certainly a Spanish dialect, we wouldn't call a Yiddish-language inscription "German". It seems to me that the situation is analogous. - Jmabel ! talk 16:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: that's correct. A sub-category would be more precise and still helpful for navigation. Hence: Category:Judaeo-Spanish inscriptions in the United States. Place Clichy 09:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata infobox calls in template

Please don't put calls to Wikidata infobox in templates. The bots that patrol categories don't see it and add a second call to the infobox and it creates an error putting them into Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags. Just a minor note. :) Ricky81682 (talk) 04:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Understood. Makes sense. Place Clichy 04:50, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

"Signs"

I see what you want to do here, but I don't think "sign" is an appropriate term for an inscription on a gravestone. - Jmabel ! talk 00:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: It is true I think I meant to also add it to Bilingual gravestones but somehow forgot. Fixed. Of course what matters is also the language pair (English and Greek in this case), and I think it would not be a good idea to develop the Multilingual signs tree for every possible type of sign. The word sign is not only synonymous with signboard, it has a more generic meaning. E.g. according to Wiktionary: 1. A perceptible (e.g. visible) indication and Merriam Webster: 1c: a fundamental linguistic unit that designates an object or relation or has a purely syntactic function (signs include words, morphemes, and punctuation). So this file should definitely be in a gravestones category, but I think it is fine to also place it in the most appropriate multilingual signs category. Place Clichy 07:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

"A perceptible (e.g. visible) indication" etc. is a totally different meaning of "sign" than the category. We don't use "sign" categories for finger gestures, meter readings, apparitions, etc. We use it in a slightly broader sense than "signboards", because it includes signs directly written on buildings, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a native English speaker active here who thinks that the way we use "signs" in category names should include what is inscribed on a gravestone or memorial. - Jmabel ! talk 16:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Well the Wiktionary definition elaborates a little bit further to define a sign as 'a unit consisting of a signifier and a signified concept'. Again, I agree that gravestone describes the picture a lot better than the word sign taken alone, but it is clearly the bilingual English-Greek part that matters here. If this gravestone inscription has a signified concept and a signifier expressed in two languages, then IMHO it belongs in the bilingual English-Greek signs category in addition to (or as a complement to) the gravestones category. I believe that's the best way to make content available to users, except if your wish is to remove such signs-that-are-not-signs from the multilingual categories entirely. The multilingual signs categories will never contain 'finger gestures, meter readings, apparitions, etc.' anyway. Place Clichy 17:02, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

My issue is that it is an "inscription", not a "sign". There would be nothing difficult about creating categories for bilingual inscriptions under Category:Inscriptions by language. In fact, I now see that two levels under that we already have Category:Bilingual grave markers, which is presumably where those should go. If you also wanted to put Category:Bilingual English-Greek grave-markers as a subcat of Category:Bilingual English-Greek signs I could live with that, but it ought to be distinguished [from "signs"], and [it ought to be] a subcat of Category:Bilingual grave markers. - Jmabel ! talk 17:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

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Reverted

Hi there. I've reverted your deltion of the Category:Countries of Europe here on Category:Wales, as the issue has been discussed fully on the Talk page. You gave the following reason: COM:OVERCAT, but as I've just mentioned, the Wales Talk page mentions fully the COM:OVERCAT statement that 'Countries may be categorized as part of multiple overlapping categories.' If you still disagree that Countries may be categorized as part of multiple overlapping categories, then please raise the issue on the Talk page. Thanks. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:32, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

not all bilingual signs in Carinthia are category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs

Bonjour Place Clichy, you added category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia to category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs, which is not justified by the content of the category, as it also contains bilingual signs with Italian text. One way to resolve this is to remove your category assignment and stay abstract and vage about the languages involved (that was the intention of the category when I created it). Another way is to split category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia to category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs in Carinthia & category:Bilingual German-Italian signs in Carinthia (and more). Jet another way is to assign the language specific subcat to all the individual images accordingly. best --Herzi Pinki (talk) 06:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Herzi Pinki: that's a good point! I notice that Category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia is placed as a child category of Category:Slovene inscriptions in Austria from the start, so the assumption that a bilingual sign in Carinthia would display Slovene is not mine. Similarly, Category:Bilingual city limit signs in Carinthia was initially placed in no less than Category:Slovene-language road signs, Category:Slovene inscriptions in Austria and Category:Slovene minority in Austria (which I changed to the more appropriate Category:Bilingual German-Slovene road signs and Category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia). When I quickly look at the files, it seems that Italian inscriptions would be found mostly on trilingual German-Italian-Slovene signs, or quadrilingual English-German-Italian-Slovene signs, so technically that is still correct.

It is a bit cumbersome to develop categories in a too refined way, because what you get is a very large number of categories with a too small scope, which is not practical. I believe we have the following available options:

Option 1. Do nothing. Bilingualism in Carinthia is ultra-predominantly German-Slovene, and the category reflects that. The occasional German-Italian or German-Italian-Slovene sign will always be an exception.

Option 2. Remove all language-related parent categories from Category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia and place them on individual files (e.g. Category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs and Category:Slovene inscriptions in Austria for all applicable files).

Option 3. Create an intermediate Category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs in Austria (I believe that is preferable to language-pair categories at the Carinthia level), and maybe Category:Bilingual German-Italian signs in Austria if there is a significant number of files, and place it on individual files next to Category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia.

Again, sometimes being too precise defeats the purpose of categories. However I cannot really judge the magnitude of the problem created by bilingual signs in Carinthia with languages other than Slovene. What do you think ? Place Clichy 15:51, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I fully agree with your It is a bit cumbersome to develop categories in a too refined way. Categorization is abstraction. But we are light-years away from still having that choice. The whole category tree is cluttered with extremely overrefined sub concepts nobody can make a good distinction between (and SDC promised something it could not nearly fulfil). I mostly fill categories by analysing the content of the images, by what can be seen, by what is the subject (and the side aspects), and when I have largely filled a category, somebody will come around and split it into endless subcategories or intersect parallel concepts (like rivers by municipality, persons by year, objects by color, signs by language, buildings by protection status - a process where the intersection is neither done completely nor sustainable, nor is it obvious or helpful).

I stumbled across File:Wernberg Umberg Friedhof Gedenktafel Andreas Schuster-Drabosnjak 02052017 8073.jpg, which has both Category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia and Category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs, which is COM:OVERCAT as long as Category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia is in Category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs. So I feel the category relationship isn't intuitive enough. Besides that, it is a plaque, not a sign.

I would go for

• Category:Bilingual signs in Austria
  • Category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs in Austria (to have a by country intermediate category)
  • Category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia (the rest of non German-Slovene signs)
    • Category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs in Carinthia (as this is the mast majority, as a subcat of the former 2)

  and for national completeness

  • Category:Bilingual Croatian-German signs in Austria
  • Category:Bilingual signs in Burgenland
    • Category:Bilingual Croatian-German signs in Burgenland (as this is the mast majority, as a subcat of the former 2)

? --Herzi Pinki (talk) 21:55, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Place Clichy: , I saw that you are doing already something, but it is not clear to me to where we are heading. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 05:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Herzi Pinki: I removed Category:Bilingual signs in Carinthia from Slovene categories, because as you pointed out correctly that's wrong. I reviewed all files and placed them in the appropriate language category, and therefore created Bilingual German-Slovene signs in Austria but also Bilingual German-Italian, Trilingual English-German-Slovene, Trilingual German-Italian-Slovene, Trilingual French-German-Italian, Trilingual French-German-Russian, Quadrilingual English-German-Italian-Slovene, Quadrilingual English-French-German-Russian and Quinquelingual English-French-German-Italian-Slovene categories. I do not think it is a good idea to create categories combining language pairs and regions (or type of signs for that matter). I hope you will find the changes helpful. Place Clichy 07:53, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Place Clichy: Yes, find it useful. Thanks. If by type of sign is not a good idea (if I got you right), then you should spread your idea by proposing to merge everything to Category:Bilingual texts in Austria (etc.) (includes plaques, signs, information boards, inscriptions, ...) and propose to delete the rest. My proposal was not in general to combine languages and regions, but only for Slovene - Carinthia and Croatian - Burgenland. I fear without proper description of your intention at least in the relevant categories and steady enforcement, categories like Category:Bilingual German-Slovene signs in Carinthia seem a natural extension and will happen anyway. best --Herzi Pinki (talk) 08:10, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Removing "White American history"

Totally with you on that, but notice that in some cases it should probably be replaced rather than removed, e.g. note my further edit to Category:German American history. - Jmabel ! talk 18:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Jmabel: I took some time to manually check all the 100+ files and see if other categories should take its place, e.g. this edit. I must confess I went faster for child categories as I ran out of time. Looking at page history it seemed to me that the category creator most often had just added this category without any other change (look this edit history and the dozens of consecutive edits with +36 byte count). So at worst removing it just restores statu quo ante. Thank you for the warning, I'll double check that category structure remains coherent. However the categories for European diasporas in the U.S. are generally a mess, with duplicates, redundancy, omissions and holes all around. I plan to try and improve it some day soon. Place Clichy 20:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

mess => no doubt. Thank you for taking this on, just wanted to make sure you were aware of that potentially very useful parent category. - Jmabel ! talk 20:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Category:People_in_Hannover

People in Hannover has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Jmabel ! talk 21:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Pertinence d'une catégorie pour un seul fichier

Bonjour Place Clichy ! Merci d'avoir affiné les catégories sur la photo d'un panneau en huit langues que j'ai récemment téléversé. Néanmoins, je m'interroge sur la pertinence d'avoir des catégories ultraprécises qui risquent bien d'avoir un seul fichier et aucun autre, tout particulièrement Category:Octolingual English-French-Georgian-Irish-Japanese-Spanish-Tongan-Welsh signs. Les panneaux en huit langues sont déjà très rares, mais ceux avec exactement ces huit langues-là encore plus. Pourquoi ne pas se contenter des autres catégories (déjà nombreuses) ? Skimel (talk) 02:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

@Skimel: c'est une question légitime. Cependant les combinaisons de multiples langues ne sont pas si rares. Au moins 3 autres fichiers ont également les langues anglais-espagnol-français-gaélique-japonais: File:Multilingual sign in Dublin.jpg, File:Wikipedia portal - localized primary links and wordmark.png, File:Jimmy Carter Library and Museum 50.JPG. Un autre pour anglais-espagnol-français-gallois-japonais: File:Truro Cathedral welcome cropped.jpg (dont le principe n'est pas si éloigné de celui de la gare de Nantes). Deux autres pour anglais-espagnol-français-géorgien: File:Rondine (Arezzo)1.jpg, File:Barnstar of langhuages2.png. Il est sans doute légitime de catégoriser les panneaux ou inscriptions de 3 ou 4 langues, alors quelle est la limite raisonnable? Place Clichy 07:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Merci pour la réponse. Je pense que le plus intéressant seraient des catégories "octolingual signs with French language", parce que je doute que des gens cherchent des panneaux en huit langues avec à chaque fois la même combinaison de langues. La limite raisonnable me semble 4 langues, au delà ça devient trop spécifique. Mais on touche ici aux limites des catégories de Commons, qui sont unidimensionnelles et qui ne sont pas combinables entre elles... un système "Sign + 8 languages + French/Mandarin/Welsh/..." serait tellement plus pratique ! Skimel (talk) 15:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Re: Bilingual signs in Ireland categories

Why did you delete the Official Languages Act, 2003 and Pádraig Ó Cuanacháin categories from the Bilingual Signs in Ireland page last month? Darren J. Prior (talk) 02:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Darren J. Prior: I don't remember doing something linke that. Do you have a link to a specific page history for the edits that worry you? I see that some editors have simplified the category structure by removing some redundant category inclusions. I think you will find some answers at Commons:Categories#Over-categorization as to why some editors may have an issue with the way you place files in categories, and categories inside categories.

In a nutshell, categories are only useful if content is placed at the most precise category location, so it is generally not useful to place content in a category and the parents of that category. E.g. content placed in Category:Irish-language signs in Ireland does not need to be also placed in Category:Irish-language signs because that is already implied. Also, category loops should be avoided, e.g. Category:Irish-language signs > Category:Pádraig Ó Cuanacháin > Category:Irish-language signs. I suggest you place a link with {{Cat see also}} for categories that are related but where one is not a subset of the other.

In the specific case of Category:Bilingual signs in Ireland, note that this does not only include English-Irish Gaelic signs (these are in Category:Bilingual English-Irish signs in Ireland). It also has signs with other language pairs such as English and Polish (e.g. File:Polski Sklep Newbridge (County Kildare) On Christmas Day 2012 (8322105556).jpg) or Irish and Latin (e.g. File:Sign-1000383, Tralee, Co. Kerry, Ireland.jpg). I don't really think that there is any obvious connection between these and Pádraig Ó Cuanacháin or the Official Languages Act. Place Clichy 07:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Do not cross and wait isn't the same sign

Would you kindly double-check your edits on railway station signs? I had to revert you before already, at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Station_Sattel-Aegeri_SOB.jpg&action=history among others. Enhancing999 (talk) 12:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Kein Durchgang/Défense de traverser exactly means do not cross, even if I of course agree that this passageway allows users to cross tracks once the train has stopped. Place Clichy 16:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

If you look at Category:Do not cross the railway lines-signs in Switzerland in detail, you will notice that all others are about a specific sign in railway stations.

The content of the sign was already adequately identified by the categories it was in (Category:Do_not_cross_signs), but you could obviously make a specific subcategory for it. Please refrain from redoing these edits. Enhancing999 (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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