User talk:Nilfanion/Unparished areas

Colchester

Colchester is another one that might need discussion like Newcastle upon Tyne (as you have already noted it is complex) Myland appears to be the only parish within the settlement. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Yep, Colchester is one where things are complicated - even more so than on first impression. Myland was parished in 1999, from the area of pre-1974 Colchester. It is an integral part of the modern settlement of Colchester. That suggests following category tree, with no category needed for the unparished area specifically:

• Borough of Colchester
  • Colchester (the settlement - so the unparished area plus Myland)
    • Myland (alongside neighbourhoods in the unparished area such as Lexden)

The real complication for Colchester is not Myland but Stanway. Stanway was not part of the pre-1974 district (and was somewhat distinct). However, it is part of the built-up area and more closely integrated into the town. That means Stanway may need to be included in (the settlement of) Colchester.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:28, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Gloucester

See Newcastle's CFD for discussion

Newcastle upon Tyne

See CFD

Bristol

What should be done with Bristol? It is a county! as well as a city and unitary authority. The unitary authority and county appear to have exactly the same boundaries and the settlement appears to have similar, should the county and unitary authority have a separate category or not? The settlement appears to be wider than the county as it also includes Mangotsfield but might be considered smaller as Avonmouth might be considered a separate settlement. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:57, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Category:Bristol should be for everything in the city boundaries - which are both the ceremonial county and the unitary authority boundaries. There is no need for a distinct Bristol (settlement) category. All the various districts of Bristol should be in that category. That will include the city centre, Avonmouth, Clifton etc. And that ought be a parallel scheme to Category:Council Wards of Bristol. In general, I'm dubious about wards as I consider them much more volatile than other potential boundaries.

The same is true for just about the majority of unitary authorities. eg Plymouth, Exeter and Poole all have the same features as Bristol. In each case, the built-up area includes development in neighbouring districts, and there are somewhat distinct settlements within the UA. When the district is near enough identical to the settlement, no need to make a distinction.--Nilfanion (talk) 13:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree, there is indeed probably not enough distinction to split, I was mainly questioning due to the fact that it is also a county. On Wikipedia maybe there could be a separate article for both the county and the unitary authority but because we are just looking at boundaries, we probably don't need a separate cat. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:35, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

There would be no need for separate articles either as the ceremonial county is identical to the unitary authority, and both aspects should be covered in one article. The only practical difference Bristol on Commons is that its categories are county-level not district-level - so Category:Houses in Bristol is directly in Category:Houses in England, alongside Category:Houses in Oxfordshire. In contrast, Category:Houses in Oxford is a sub-cat of Category:Houses in Oxfordshire.--Nilfanion (talk) 13:51, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

There might be though (on Wikipedia) because there will surely be plenty of reliable sources and separate information about all 3. This though might already be covered by History of Bristol (and the other similar articles). Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:56, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Manchester

What should we do with Manchester? Shouldn't Manchester be anywhere within the M60 with City of Manchester being the district. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:45, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

No, the M60 (roughly) defines the Greater Manchester Built-up Area. For instance, Manchester does not include Trafford or Salford - Manchester is effectively conterminous with the district--Nilfanion (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Areas vs parts of districts

Per User talk:Skinsmoke#Unparished areas shouldn't they be divided by the uparished area its self like Aldershot and Farnborough instead of one for just Rushmoor. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:12, 27 February 2018 (UTC)