User talk:Multichill/Archives/2019/September

WLM-BR campaign upload wizard

Hi there! You've made this change and now uploads from Brazil are getting all wrong. I will ask to restore to the version we have worked on, but would like to know from your end why you thought the Wikidata template we are using would lead to "we'll get a lot of broken uploads". Please, let the Brazilian template as is at this point while I understand your impression, so we don't have further mess-ups. Thanks. --Joalpe (talk) 10:07, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments Italia 2019, è iniziato! Il tuo contributo è prezioso!

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Hi,

You're receiving this message because you've previously contributed to the annual Wiki Loves Monuments contest in Italy. We'd be delighted if you would do so again this year and upload your photos to share the italian cultural hertage with the world!!

You can find more details at the Wiki Loves Monuments Italia website and here. If you have images taken in other countries you can check the international participants.

This year's contest runs until 30 September 2019.

If you need help please contact me! --Marta Arosio (WMIT) (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

It's Wiki Loves Monuments time again!

Hi Multichill/Archives/2019/September!

You are receiving this message because you have previously contributed to the annual Wiki Loves Monuments contest in India. We would be very delighted if you would do so again this year, help record our monuments for future generations and win exciting prizes.

You can find more details in this page. Or, if you have images taken in other countries, you can check the international options. This year's contest runs until 30 September 2019.

Regards,
Bodhisattwa
(on behalf of Wiki Loves Monuments 2019 in India team)--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:15, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

File:US Army 51982 Aloha spirit on display at floral parade.jpg

File:US Army 51982 Aloha spirit on display at floral parade.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

—howcheng {chat} 17:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Depicts statement precision

Please adjust bot to not add places (towns, cities, their districts) as value for depicts property. Examples of bot's problematic behavior: File:USA-San Jose-South Bay Yacht Club-2.jpg, File:USA-San Jose-Henry Wade Warehouse-2.jpg. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 19:49, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

My bot added the item for the correct the historic district. You're welcome to replace it with more specific items if you think that is needed. Removing these valid claims is quite counter productive. Multichill (talk) 20:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

You didn't convince me about usefulness of too broad statements. Historical districts are usually large (including Alviso) and contain a lot of buildings and it's reasonable to have dedicated Wikidata items for them. Same could be said for Category:Agnews Developmental Center, at least for administrative buildings. Other example is Category:Mare Island Naval Shipyard. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 05:01, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@EugeneZelenko: I guess your case is mostly about historic districts and contributing properties? If items for the contributing properties exist, the depicts statement can be changed to that one. I had a look at some examples and none of them seem to have a Wikidata item. If that would be the case, we could apply some logic to add a more specific depicts statement. Take for example files in Category:Superintendent's House, Agnews Developmental Center. These could all be linked to a more specific item Superintendent's House (Q67576318) based on the fact that Category:Superintendent's House, Agnews Developmental Center (linked with Superintendent's House (Q67576318)) is a subcategory of Category:Agnews Developmental Center (linked with Agnews Developmental Center (Q4693186)), Agnews Developmental Center (Q4693186) is a historic district and Superintendent's House (Q67576318) is located in that district and all have the {{NRHP}}. We also have National Register of Historic Places contributing property (Q1129142). Not sure how to find if this building is actually one. Multichill (talk) 09:39, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, bot should not add properties for wide areas (districts, towns, cities, etc). It should add only building. Yes, such items could be and should be added to Wikidata. By the word, Category:Taj Mahal as another example. Qualifiers are another subject for discussion and they are very important for cases like Category:Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:28, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Similarly for this edit. I don't see the usefulness of saying that an image of a temporary exhibit of kokeshi that happens to be in a particular building depicts the building. Is this really what "depicts" is about? - Jmabel ! talk 21:10, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

You did add the {{NRHP}} template so you seem to have considered it useful to add.

Current wording of the template is "This is an image of a place or building that is listed on the National Register of Historic Places in the United States of America. Its reference number is 82004245". Multichill (talk) 21:14, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

So perhaps the NRHP template should be reworded, because we use it a lot on things that are much to "narrow" to be depictions of the whole landmark. But clearly this image doesn't depict the building in the sense that was discussed when we discussed the intent of depicts. And this even more so. Do we really want to say that a picture of some gauges depicts a building? That was not at all what I understood from the discussions before "depicts" was introduced. - Jmabel ! talk 21:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I created the template and a lot of similar ones as part of Wiki Loves Monuments. The intention and wording was always about what you see in the image. I don't think it's the right direction to change the wording. I guess now these kind of things become more visible.

It's a wiki so we can always improve. In the case of this file it could probably be moved to some location property and some other depicts can be added. We currently have no agreed way how to model location. I'm trying to get Commons:Structured data/Modeling started. Maybe you can help out? When the modeling is clearer, it becomes possible to create (automated) tools to import or improve (more) data. Multichill (talk) 21:35, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd be all for having a way to model location.

As for being actively involved in the process, I've largely given up after making several proposals that were largely ignored and having someone (I think he was named Rodrigo de Argenton, not sure) tell me that I don't understand Wikidata (for which I wrote some of the help pages) well enough to participate usefully in the process. In general, I'd rather get work done and put in my 2¢ where something like this just strikes me as headed the wrong way.

Interesting about the intent of that template and, no, I didn't know that. I think is some of these cases it would then be more appropriate then to remove the template than say that is what this "depicts". Here is an even more egregious one. - Jmabel ! talk 01:07, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Just ignore that guy. Currently I hope to get source/author/license going so we have the basics covered. Location has several aspects:

• Items for where is depicted, where it's made, probably more (currently mixed in categories)
• Coordinates for the point of view, coordinates for what is depcited (like what we do in templates now)

That's going to be fun untangling that. In your example I added Sessilia (Q3175015) and marked it as prominent. Multichill (talk) 09:39, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

• • I'd have been willing to ignore that guy if my substantive suggestions had drawn responses. But they didn't, and I really lost interest in being actively involved. Sorry. There are other contexts here where I find my work is generally appreciated, so I try to stick to those. - Jmabel ! talk 16:38, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

By the word, it's reasonable to discuss new (especially huge) tasks on Commons:Bots/Requests. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 05:07, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Thing has been running every once in a while for the Netherlands already, just expanded it with some more sources. Looks like the NRHP database never has been fully imported to Wikidata. That's a bigger blocker! That needs to be sorted out first. Multichill (talk) 09:39, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Verklaring aangemaakt

Puur uit nieuwsgierigheid. Ik zie de laatste tijd regelmatig dingen als "Verklaring aangemaakt: beeldt af (d:P180): (d:Q2517726),...". Ik zie dat is toegevoegd bijvoorbeeld
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eigenschap / beeldt af
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Van Goghkerkje
eigenschap / beeldt af: Van Goghkerkje / rang
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Normale rang
Ik zie dit in de code nergens terug. Wat is het doel hiervan? Groeten Wouter (talk) 19:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Hoi Wouter, zie Commons:Depicts. Dit is de eerste stap van structured data on Commons. Doel daarvan is om data beter te structureren. Op dit moment doen we dat semi-gestructureerd in sjablonen en met categorieën, dit is de opvolger daarvan. Multichill (talk) 18:20, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Bedankt voor je antwoord.Wouter (talk) 18:54, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - computer-aided tagging

The development team is starting work on one of the last planned features for SDC v1.0, a lightweight tool to suggest depicts tags for images. I've published a project page for it, please have a look. I plan to share this page with everyone on Commons much more broadly in the coming days. The tool has been carefully designed to try to not increase any workload on Commons volunteers; for starters, it will be opt-in for auto-confirmed users only and will not generate any sort of backlog here on Commons. Additionally, the tool is highly privacy-minded for the contributors and publicly-minded for the third party being used, in this case Google. The implementation and usage notes contain more information about these and other potential concerns as a starting place. It's really important that the tool is implemented properly from the start, so feedback is welcome. Questions, comments, concerns are welcome on the talk page and I will get answers as quickly as possible as things come up. On the talk page you can also sign up to make sure you're a part of the feedback for designs and prototype testing. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:57, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

hub vs haswbstatement

Hey,

Regarding Special:Diff/366082359: the intent was also to help when processing Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria without linked Wikidata and link them to the correct Wikidata item. Now the link does not go anywhere.

Jean-Fred (talk) 21:11, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jean-Frédéric: clicked some random categories in Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria without linked Wikidata and most seem to work. The only broken one I found was the first one (Category:Achenseekraftwerk) for which I read on Wikipedia that it's a monument since 2018 so I guess the Wikidata hasn't been created yet? Feel free to undo my edit. Multichill (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jean-Frédéric: added some of the missing links and noticed edits on the German Wikipedia like these. Would make sense to re-run the import bot to add the missing Austrian monuments to Wikidata based on Wikipedia. Multichill (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

@Multichill: Right, sorry, I got it backwards − there was the same empty result when using haswbstatement, not sure why I got so confused >_>

Thanks for the change − it makes more sense to use hub for that :) Jean-Fred (talk) 15:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Jewish cemetery Dolní Kounice

Category:Jewish cemetery in Dolní Kounice bot's mistake: replacement Jewish cemetery in Ivančice Q6334952.--Ben Skála (talk) 20:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ben Skála: bots generally don't make mistakes, they just do what the humans tell them to do. Do you have an example? I guess a human tagged it with the wrong monument id? Multichill (talk) 20:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok.--Ben Skála (talk) 20:17, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ben Skála: Judging from your recent edits, this should fix it, right? Multichill (talk) 20:22, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Great. Thanks.--Ben Skála (talk) 20:24, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Artwork template bot

Hi Multichill, somehow the bot didn't pick up a series or items I created earlier today, e.g. d:Q67563950. Jura1 (talk) 16:47, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Give it some time. SPARQL might be lagging. Multichill (talk) 16:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. It did catch some I created later, e.g. d:Q67566513. Jura1 (talk) 17:09, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Looks like it didn't detected them. I think it might have skipped all but the ones I edited after creation. Jura1 (talk) 08:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I guess it happens that some are missing. Hopefully, nobody will create duplicates for the 50+ items. Oddly your other bot on Wikidata is adding statements to some of them. Jura1 (talk) 10:44, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I wonder if the special characters in the filename mess things up. Do you have skipped ones that don't have special characters in the filename? Multichill (talk) 18:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Seems they are all based on files from Wmpearl who adds single quotes. Jura1 (talk) 19:10, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Here is one from an earlier series: Q67201164. Jura1 (talk) 08:12, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

BTW, what query are you using? It seems to be lacking also some older creations with filenames without single quotes. (I should have noted the qid). Jura1 (talk) 22:37, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

File:Tropenmuseum - Logo zonder tekst.png

File:Tropenmuseum - Logo zonder tekst.png has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Andrei (talk) 21:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)