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Tryphon 11:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Centre commercial caserne de Bonne

Bonjour Pethrus,

Sur la photo File:Centre commercial de la caserne de Bonne - Grenoble.JPG, j'avais placé la remarque suivante car elle avait été supprimée :

"La représentation d'une œuvre située dans un lieu public n'est licite que lorsqu'elle est accessoire par rapport au sujet principal représenté ou traité." L'objet principal de cette photo est le jardin, pas l'immeuble en arrière plan qui représente moins de 25% de la superficie de la photo! Il n'est donc pas question de supprimer cette photo. Avis aux chasseurs de FOP qui interprètent trop sévèrement la loi.

Je voudrais savoir ce que tu en penses car une nouvelle demande de suppression est faite.

Merci de ta réponse.

Milky (talk) 20:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Salut Milky,
Sache d'abord que je trouve l'absence de liberté de panorama en France très dommageable. Mais puisqu'il ne m'appartient pas de faire changer la loi, Commons doit s'y plier, il en va de la crédibilité du projet et jusqu'à son existence.
Parallèlement à ce besoin tout législatif, je trouve vraiment dommage que de nombreux contributeurs méritants se donnent du mal à envoyer des photographies de bâtiments modernes pour qu'elles soient ensuite supprimées (pas forcément tout de suite, mais une ou plusieurs années ensuite). Si je propose la suppression de certaines de ces photographies, c'est aussi pour signaler à leurs auteur le problème du "no-FOP" et éviter de leur faire perdre du temps à l'avenir.
Enfin, il existe évidemment différentes façons d’interpréter cette loi. Dans ce cas précis, il est vrai que le bâtiment occupe une place significative, même si non majoritaire - mais je ne suis pas juriste, et ce n'est qu'un simple avis profane. Je serai donc plutôt en faveur de la suppression, mais je suis bien sûr ouvert à toute argumentation contraire.
--Pethrus (talk) 12:19, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Bonjour Pethrus,
Merci d'abord pour ta réponse. j'ai bien compris depuis des années la loi etc... Mais je voulais soulever le problème de l'interprétation de cette loi. Concrètement, jusqu'à quelle distance dois-je me reculer pour prendre une photo en direction d'un bâtiment pour qu'elle soit acceptée par les admins de commons. 100m, 400m, 1000m. A la limite, mettre sur commons une photo prise depuis la Bastille de Grenoble en haute définition devrait être interdit puisqu'on peut voir tous les bâtiments récents. Non, je pense que dans les cas limites comme cette photo, le doute devrait profiter au contributeur et les photos en gros plan (+ de 66% de la largeur) doivent effectivement être supprimées.
Milky (talk) 20:56, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Tu soulignes de façon pertinente un problème fondamental. Comme tu as du le voir, la loi (textes et jurisprudence) laisse justement dans le flou cette limite : elle précise qu'il faut que l'objet soit "accessoire", mais cet accessoire peut devenir fondamental après un recadrage/zoom (d'où le bandeau NoFoP-France, apposé par exemple sur Louvre at night centered.jpg). Par ailleurs, elle indique également que la présence de l'objet doit être non-intentionnelle.
Je pense que malgré tout nous pouvons juger de l'admissibilité sur Commons à partir de ces deux points :
  • L'objet sous copyright doit occuper une part très faible de l'image (sur l'exemple de la pyramide du Louvre, c'est à la louche 1/40ème). Je pense que d'une manière générale, en-dessous de 1/20, on peut considérer sans crainte que l'objet est accessoire. Au-dessus, ça peut se discuter (et se traiter au cas par cas par proposition de suppression).
  • La présence de l'objet doit (vraiment) être non-intentionnelle. C'est bien sûr parfois difficile à vérifier, mais si par exemple le titre d'une image comporte le nom de l'objet, il est difficile d'affirmer que sa présence n'est pas intentionnelle.
Bref, ce sont des critères assez personnels – mais qui évoluent au fur et à mesure des discussions que je lis ici. Donc n'hésites pas à me corriger sur tel ou tel point ou simplement à me signaler pourquoi tu n'es pas d'accord.
--Pethrus (talk) 14:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Capacités stades de football en France.jpg

Milky,
Il me semble bien que Sochaux fait partie de l'unité urbaine de Montbéliard, dont la population au 01/01/2007 était de 108 767 habitants.
Pour l'ETG, il est peut-être plus pertinent de prendre l'aire urbaine de Thonon qui représentait 79 763 habitants le 01/01/2007 !? D'ailleurs dans la plupart des cas, l'aire urbaine est plus représentative de l'importance d'une ville-centre que l'unité urbaine... ;-) --Marco 38 (talk) 12:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Salut Marco 38,
Avant toute chose, il m'est possible de modifier le graphique des capacités de stades de foot à tout moment si il y a erreur.
Concernant tes deux remarques, Sochaux et l'ETG posent un problème pou déterminer la population :
Pour Sochaux, elle ne fait pas partie de l'unité urbaine de Monbéliard, voir le site de l'INSEE [1] en cliquant successivement sur les cartes concernées. Elle fait tout de même partie de l'aire urbaine de Montbéliard, mais je n'ai pas choisi cette zone comme référence de population par équité avec toutes les autres villes. Dans ce cas, on a le problème d'une plus petite ville dans une aire urbaine qui devient l'équipe phare par rapport à la ville centre. Le choix de la population de la communauté d'agglomération avec ses 117 691 habitants et un stade de 20 005 places est le plus équitable car en général, globalement, en gros, l'unité urbaine de l'INSEE se rapproche en terme de population d'une communauté d'agglomération (entité administrative).
Par ailleurs, le choix de l'unité urbaine plutôt que l'aire urbaine peut se discuter mais globalement prendre l'aire urbaine ferait simplement diminuer les pourcentages de tous le monde, et puis souvent les stades sont financés par les communes des communautés d'agglomération et communautés urbaines et non pas par des petites communes très éloignées. Ceci dit, je sais que des spectateurs font 100 km pour aller au stade vélodrome de Marseille, mais bon là, on n'a plus d'éléments précis à l'échelle de la France pour comparer tous les stades.
Concernant l'ETG, prendre l'aire urbaine de Thonon, oui sauf que Gaillard n'en fait pas partie, et elle en est même très éloignée puisque Gaillard est située dans la banlieue d'Annemasse ! D'autre part, le stade de l'ETG, c'est Annecy !!!! Alors faut-il prendre une partie du département ? Là je laisse à d'autres le soin du calcul, pour l'instant c'est la Haute-Savoie avec 706 708 habitants. Le graphique reste modifiable si on me le demande.
Milky (talk) 09:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


Milky,

Dans le lien de l'INSEE que tu m'as donné, Sochaux fait bien partie de l'agglomération (unité urbaine) de Montbéliard... Voir ici [2]--Marco 38 (talk) 09:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

How can we be sure that every author of the newspaper died 70 years ago? --RE RILLKE Questions? 21:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

It is possible that the copyright lied with the newspaper editor, which would mean that it expired 70 years after publication. --Eusebius (talk) 22:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

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Otourly (talk) 17:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Palais des sports de Grenoble

J'ai proposé à la suppression la catégorie du palais des sports de Grenoble, il n'y a pas de liberté de panorama, cette oeuvre architecturale n'est pas dans le domaine public. Il faut donc l'accord de l'ayant droit ou des architectes. La page de discussion: Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Palais des Sports de Grenoble. --PierreSelim (talk) 06:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Stade des Alpes

Idem qu'au dessus, sauf quelques photos qui relève de COM:DM. La page de discussion se trouve ici: Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Stade des Alpes. --PierreSelim (talk) 07:01, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

oeuvre inachevée

Bonjour je n'ai pas supprimé les photos, mais proposé en suppression, un admin a décidé ensuite de les supprimer car elles ne respectaient pas les règles du projet (tu peux lire COM:FOP#France). Légalement, a priori le code de la propriété intellectuelle (CPI) est assez clair sur le fait que l'oeuvre soit achevé ou non:

Art. L. 111-2. L'oeuvre est réputée créée, indépendamment de toute divulgation publique, du seul fait de la réalisation, même inachevée de la conception de l'auteur.

Cordialement, PierreSelim (talk) 23:14, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

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Yann (talk) 18:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Monument persécutions nazies à Grenoble.JPG has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

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Bob247 (talk) 01:46, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Pending permission for image(s)

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Yours sincerely, A1Cafel (talk) 04:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

File:Gare grenoble.JPG has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

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A1Cafel (talk) 04:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)