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Please don't again revert the edits. Ogijima seems to be the correct transcription in English for the name. Ogishima is apparently an incorrect transcription ad that is why I requested its deletion.
Also, I ask you again to try to understand what COM:OVERCAT says: don't put media of the lighthouse in both Category:Ogishima Lighthouse and its parent Category:Ogijima. - 09:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I am doing this because it is Wikimedia policy. You are going against the standard with your edits. Please ask someone at the Japanese Wikipedia with some real knowledge of Wikimedia for help if your English is poor and you can't understand the policy that I am referring to. Please also stop reverting edits that are correct. - Takeaway (talk) 09:12, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 男木島の呼称は、ogishima です。 ogijima では、ないのです。
    • In Wikimedia we have to work with the name that is widely used in English. The island is transcripted as Ogijima in English, not as Ogishima. Look it up on Google Maps for instance. Look at all the other "-jima" names for island of Japan. - Takeaway (talk) 09:37, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 日本の島の呼称は、全てjima というのは間違いですよ。jima 「じま」も、shima 「しま」もあります。

 例えば、ここは、https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8C%97%E6%9C%A8%E5%B3%B6 「しま」ですよ。- KyotoFlowertourism


    • Wikipediaに記載があるように、公式呼称は、「おぎしま」です。なので、「Category:Ogishima」で作成してます。過去のものは、そのままでいいので、新規からのものは、そのように修正すればいいと思います。「Category:Ogishima」で作成したものを削除しないでください。

「しまっぷ」 http://www1.kaiho.mlit.go.jp/KAN6/6_other/shimap/shimaindex_all.htm  ※「しまっぷ」は瀬戸内海に数多く存在する島のうち第六管区海上保安本部管内の島の読み方や場所などを表示する島ガイドのことです。 日本の文化を大切に。呼称は重要ですよ。- KyotoFlowertourism

      • This is about a transcription. In English, Ogijima is more often used than Ogishima, both for the island as well as for the lighthouse. Wikimedia uses English for names. Please go to Commons:Village pump with your concerns if you think this is incorrect. I hope someone who is fluent in Japanese can explain to you how things work here. - Takeaway (talk) 12:36, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • 英語の数が多いからというのは、間違いです。日本の文化を抹殺する行為ですよ。

京都で考えると「舞妓」のことを「まいこ」と呼びます。「げいしゃ」とは誰も呼びません。 また、京都では、舞妓と芸妓は、違います。 しかし、英語の世界では、maikoがgeisha になります。使われている数は、圧倒的にgeishaです。 maikoは、少ないです。 これは、日本文化が間違って広まっている典型的な例です。 花街の方々は、なるだけ、maiko で発信しようとされています。- KyotoFlowertourism

    • Wikipediaに記載があるように、公式呼称は、「おぎしま」です。なので、「Category:Ogishima」を作成します。私が関与した写真のみは、このカテゴリを付けます。日本の文化を大切にしたいので、邪魔をしないでください。- KyotoFlowertourism
  • If you recreate Category:Ogishima without first getting consent at Commons:Village pump, I will have to ask for moderators to look into this situation. It is against wikimedia policy to have 2 categories that are actually the same thing. This is not about being disrespectful towards Japanese culture, this is simply how Wikimedia works. - Takeaway (talk) 13:16, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the names of two Japanese Wikimedia moderators: User:Miya and User: whym. Please go ask them for advice. - Takeaway (talk) 13:20, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • もういい加減に邪魔をしないでください。「カテゴリ Ogishima Lighthouse」 を先に作成したのに、Ogijima Lighthouse を後から作成し、Ogishima Lighthouse を削除するとは横暴です。

 もっと、文化を勉強してください。

Ogishima

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@Takeaway: "男木島" is "おぎしま" in hiragana - see Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism's official site. AND if officially "おぎしま" in hiragana, you should transcript it as "お(o) - ぎ(gi) - し(shi) - ま(ma)" - "Ogishima". I know it is VERY difficult for non-native Japanese speakers to understand how to read Japanese words, but please understand the relation of kanji and hiragana in Japan. Thanks.--miya (talk) 07:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Read and try to understand Commons:Language policy: Category names should generally be in English. The spelling "Ogijima" seems to be used more often for this island in English than "Ogishima". For instance: the city that is commonly spelled as "Pattaya" in English, should actually be spelled "Phatthaya" if one follows the official Thai transcription system. Here on Wikimedia, the category is still named Pattaya even though it does not follow the official transcription, but because it is the most commonly found transcription in English. - Takeaway (talk) 14:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that Japanese language has HIRAGANA, and understand how HIRAGANA works in Japanese (especially in relation to English). You reported to Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems but none would second your opinion until it archived. If it were a thing in Thailand, Netherland or Germany, you may be right; if a thing in Japan, please listen to what other people would say. --miya (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please try to understand what I wrote. This has nothing to do with Hiragana. It is about which spelling is commonly used in English for the island. The reason why nobody replied to that post was probably because I specifically asked for Japanese administrators. If Japanese administrators don't show their faces on the board, why would someone else chip in? Please also read my reply on User talk:Whym. To be honest, I don't really care all that much if the categorisation of Japanese subjects is a mess., with double entries etc., due to transcription issues. I tried to rectify some when I came across it elsewhere but if you people can't seem to get a clear picture on how to name categories correctly, it is not my concern as I concentrate on other sectors of Wikimedia. - Takeaway (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Takeaway, I had requested w:Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan people to rename w:Ogijima to w:Ogishima and it was moved. I wish you would understand Hiragana spellings could be directly connected to English ones. I greatly thank your concern and care about category problems here, which I shold rather have taken care of.--miya (talk) 13:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

COM:OVERCAT

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:KyotoFlowertourism, beside the transcription "Ogijima", Takeaway was right. Let's look into what Takeaway said to you (I'll translate them for you):
KyotoFlowertourismさん、「Ogijima」以外のTakeawayさんの指摘は正しいです。上でのコメントを見てみましょう(翻訳してみます):


  • Please try to understand how categorisation works here in Wikimedia. For this read COM:CAT. Especially read COM:OVERCAT and stop putting the media both in its specific category and in many of its parent categories.
    ウィキメディアでどのようにカテゴリ付けが働いているか理解に努めてください。そのためにCOM:CATを読んでください。とりわけ、COM:OVERCAT/JAを読んで、メディアファイルに子カテゴリとその親カテゴリの両方をつけるのをやめてください。
  • Also have a look at how I changed the the categories of Category:Ogishima Lighthouse.
    また、私がCategory:Ogishima Lighthouseのカテゴリをどのように変更したか、見てください。
  • There was no need to put Category:Ogishima Lighthouse into Category:Islands of Kagawa prefecture because the lighthouse was already categorized in Category:Ogishima, which is a subcategory of Category:Islands of Kagawa prefecture. Please try to understand how categorization works in Wikimedia.
    男木島灯台のカテゴリ|香川県の島のカテゴリに入れる必要は無かったのです。なぜなら、この灯台はすでに男木島のカテゴリにカテゴライズされていて、男木島のカテゴリ香川県の島のカテゴリのサブカテゴリ(子カテゴリ)だからです。どうかウィキメディアでどのようにカテゴリ付けが働いているか理解に努めてください。
  • I really urge you to read COM:OVERCAT. I have noticed from other media that you categorize, that you don't understand how categorization works in Wikimedia
    COM:OVERCAT/JAを読んでください。あなたがカテゴライズした他のメディアファイルを見て、ウィキメディアでどのようにカテゴリ付けが働いているかあなたが理解していないことがわかりました。
  • Also, I ask you again to try to understand what COM:OVERCAT says: don't put media of the lighthouse in both Category:Ogishima Lighthouse and its parent Category:Ogijima.
    またCOM:OVERCAT/JAがなんといっているか理解するようにしてください:その灯台のファイルに男木島灯台のカテゴリと親カテゴリの男木島のカテゴリの両方をつけないでください。

というわけで、Commons:カテゴリを読んでみてください。

--miya (talk) 16:22, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Miya: I don't care if it's written Ogijima or Ogishima. In English (and Wikimedia is written in English still) the island is most commonly known under the spelling Ogijima. The category Ogijima has been used for years now here on Wikimedia before someone recently decided to start category Ogishima parallel to Ogijima. Apparently, no one else here on Wikimedia though that Ogijima was a "bad" name all these years until very recently. So please stop saying things about me which have nothing to do with me. I did not make the policy which states that things should preferably be written following the most commonly used spelling. I did not create category Ogijima. I did not name it as such on Google maps, and I did not create the English Wikipedia article. All I did was try to clear up the mess of parallel categories in this one instant when I came upon it in another category which I try to keep clean. So please keep me out of this transcription mess, and please try to figure out for yourself what Wikimedia policy says about category names. And if you don't like the present policy, go change it but keep me out of it. I want nothing to do with this mess, with this belligerent user, or with people who try to involve me with stuff I don't want to be involved with. - Takeaway (talk) 21:47, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Takeaway, I'm very sorry if I hurt your feeling. I know you did everything with Good will. Perhaps you know Commons policies far better than I. Yet let me say that we should not always believe in the output of Google translations or Google maps: there are full of mis-translations and mis-transcriptions - especially in case of Japanese-English or English-Japanese translations. Thanks.--miya (talk) 00:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is not about me "believing" a transcription or not. It is about which transcription is the most commonly used in English. Ogijima is just as correct as Ogishima. They each follow different transcription systems, with Ogishima apparently following the present official Japanese transcription, and Ogijima following an older (perhaps American?) system. As far as I know, Wikimedia policy states that the transcription which is most commonly found in English, is the one which should be used even if it doesn't conform to the present, official, transcription system. Takeaway (talk) 11:35, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that is not a problem of "different transcription systems". It is only that "じま" are to be transcripted as "jima", and "しま" as "shima". So it IS a problem of Japanese - whether it is "じま" or "しま".--miya (talk) 14:45, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"じま" or "しま"

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On the point of "じま" or "しま", I have to apologize you, Takeaway, that I jumped at a rough and hasty conclusion with only a few references (「しまっぷ」 or an online dictionary) and failed to do research deep enough. Toto-tarou pointed out that there are reliable references to "Ogijima" as well as to "Ogishima" at Category talk:Ogijima. I hastily did more research both in a neighbor library and online, and found:

  • 「男木島 おぎじま」 - 『日本歴史地名大系第三八巻 香川県の地名』平凡社 1989年
  • 「男木島 おぎじま」 - 『日本の島事典』(財)日本離島センター 1995年
  • 「OGIJIMA 男木島 おぎじま」 - 『日本の島ガイド SHIMADAS(シマダス)』(財)日本離島センター 2004年
  • 「男木島 おぎじま」 - 島面積(p.104)
  • KOTBANK
    • 「男木島 おぎじま」 - ブリタニカ国際大百科事典 小項目事典
    • 「おぎ‐しま〔をぎ‐〕【男木島】」 - デジタル大辞泉
    • 「〔香川県〕男木島(おぎじま)」 - 日本の地名がわかる事典
    • 「男木島 おぎじま」 - 日本大百科全書(ニッポニカ)の解説
  • 男木島 おぎじま Ogi jima - Gazetteer of Japan 2007 (from 地名集日本(GAZETTEER OF JAPAN))

I'll write a detailed result of my research in Category talk:Ogijima later.--miya (talk) 14:45, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • 男木島灯台,OGISHIMA LIGHTHOUSE です。by タイトル:燈台要覧,著者:航路標識管理所 編,出版年月日:明37.3

http://kindai.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/847167/51?viewMode= 島名の表記は、国土交通省の表記に従うべきと思います。海図にも関係していますので。KyotoFlowertourism (talk) 16:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"地名集日本(GAZETTEER OF JAPAN)" is published by the Government of Japan(the Geospatial Information Authority of Japan, and the Hydrographic and Oceanographic Department of the Japan Coast Guard) [1]: it is a quite reliable source. Please post your comment to the category talk page Category talk:Ogijima.
『地名集日本(GAZETTEER OF JAPAN)』は日本政府の国土地理院および海上保安庁海洋情報部が「標準化された地名情報」をまとめたもので(2007年版が最新)、日本の地名の日本語表記(漢字、ひらがな)、ローマ字表記の出典としてきわめて信頼性の高いものです。詳しくはこちらをお読みください=> http://www.gsi.go.jp/kihonjohochousa/gazetteer.html http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000055079.pdf ご意見はカテゴリのノートCategory talk:Ogijimaにお願いします。--miya (talk) 16:42, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 結論

国土地理院と海上保安庁では、表記が異なっていました。 ●海上保安庁海洋情報部に確認した結果は以下のとおりです。 「地名集日本2007日本国政府」にあるとおり、読みは「おぎじま」です。 なお、海図上は「男木島、Ogi Shima」と標記していますが、「Shima」の部分は読みではなく、「島」という地形を表現したもので、必ずしも正式な読みを表現したものではありません。 ●結論 ・男木島の表記は、おぎじま、Ogi Jima→Ogijima Island。 ・女木島の表記は、めぎじま、Megi Jima→Megijima Island。 ・北木島の表記は、きたぎしま、Kitagi Shima→Kitagishima Island。 KyotoFlowertourism (talk) 16:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

海上保安庁海洋情報部へのご確認ありがとうございました。--miya (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for asking Geographical Survey Institute to confirm the transcriptions for these island and concluding "おぎじま" and "めぎじま" for them.--miya (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
・ 国土交通省国土地理院から回答がありました。

「「男木島」ついて、読み仮名としては、国土地理院では「おぎじま」としております。 英語の表記としては、国土地理院では、島名の英語表記として、島名(読み仮名のローマ字表記)+"Island"を標準としており、「Ogijima Island」となります。 (参考:島名の英語表記の統一の考え方) http://www.gsi.go.jp/kihonjohochousa/kihonjohochousa41012.html なお、地名集日本については、読みのローマ字表記を記載しています。」KyotoFlowertourism (talk) 02:43, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Yours sincerely, DAJF (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

・舞妓さん撮影会は、ここに記載の主旨のもとに開催しています。    User:KyotoFlowertourism  Wikimedia Commnsへ投稿することを前提に撮影会を開催し、提供された写真の公開は撮影者の意志にもとづくものです。  その投稿代行を私が担っています。KyotoFlowertourism (talk) 06:19, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

こんにちは。DAJFと申します。写真を撮影した方の代わりにCommonsに投稿うしていただく場合、画像の著作権者である撮影者からの正式な使用許諾が必要になります。お手数になりますが、この説明を読んでいただいて、Wikimediaへ撮影者からの使用許諾についてご連絡ください。既にアップしていただいている画像は、メールでの正式な使用許諾がない場合、一週間後に削除されますので、ご了承ください。 --DAJF (talk) 12:26, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
もっと正確に言うと、Wikimedia Commnsでの公開を条件に、写真著作権の提供を受けています。権利を私の手元に移して、写真を投稿したものです。KyotoFlowertourism (talk) 13:07, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
その場合でも、上記のように、Wikimediaへ撮影者からの使用許諾連絡が必要となります。 --DAJF (talk) 01:26, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
そんなに急いで削除して、誰が喜ぶのですか? 撮影者も花街も誰も喜びませんよ。削除したものを、一旦、もとに戻してください。
必要な許諾連絡は、直ぐにはできません。それぞれの方に説明し、必要な対応をするには時間がかかります。2016年2月29日を目標に取り組み始めています。KyotoFlowertourism (talk) 14:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
使用許諾無しでは削除撤回は不可能ですが、元の撮影者からのご連絡が送られてCommons側で確認されましたら、KyotoFlowertourismさん自身はCommons:削除撤回依頼で元の画像の削除撤回を依頼することができます。今すぐでなくても、来年になっても問題ありませんので、焦る必要はないです。 --DAJF (talk) 05:45, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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