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Copyright status: File:Archibald Kennedy, 3rd Marquess of Ailsa.jpg

I'm not sure which tag I can use. The author died in 1960, the portrait was made in 1932. Can you correct it for me? --PancoPinco (talk) 11:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

There is likely no valid license for it, as normaly such paintings bekome public domain after 70 year pastthe death of the author. You have to wait until the end of 2030 to make it {{PD-old}}. --JuTa 16:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Ferhan Şensoy

Hi. Can you undelete Category:Ferhan Şensoy please? Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 20:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

✓ Done. --JuTa 21:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

User:SpinnerLaserz/Flags

So, I made a gallery dedicated to flags seen in real life. Is the disclaimer good or it needs work? SpinnerLaserz (talk) 02:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Good for what? --JuTa 02:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
The majority of the images featured in the gallery that flags are incidental. I made this just for those who are interested in flags. Also, there are flags that are controversial like the Japanese Rising Sun Flag. SpinnerLaserz (talk) 02:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Fine, and? Or in other word: I dont see a need for improvement nor I understand your question. --JuTa 02:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Frage zur Lizenz

Hallo JuTa, die Frage unter https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ABlue-Shield_Vienna_3406_%28cropped%29.JPG&type=revision&diff=430392601&oldid=430392587 versteh ich nicht wirklich, ich habe das Foto selbst aus einem eigenen angegebenen Foto slebst im Rathaus bei einer Blueshield-Veranstaltung gemacht - was ist da falsch? --lg -- K@rl (Discus) Mid Abstond hoidn xund bleibn 07:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Du hast es ja selbst korregiert: [1]. Es fehlte eine Lizenzvorlage. Sonst werden solche Bilder immer wieder von Bot mit fehelnde Lizenz markiert. Ich hatte es in Category:Media without a license: needs history check gefunden. --JuTa 07:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Wann es bei zweifacher Angabe überhaupt notwendig ist, wäre es ein einfaches die Lizenz selbst einzutragen, wann sie schon zweimal drin und steht und nicht nur wenn es in der Quelle dreimal drin steht. ---- K@rl (Discus) Mid Abstond hoidn xund bleibn 12:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Schon, aber Du sollst es ja auch lernen dass direkt richtig zu machen. --JuTa 15:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, sorry, dass ich das nach 20.000 Fotos noch immer nicht weiß, dass es dreimal dort stehen muss, dachte it's a wiki :-( ---- K@rl (Discus) Mid Abstond hoidn xund bleibn 20:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Trubchyn Tract

Restore. --Микола Василечко (talk) 15:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

✓ Done. --JuTa 15:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding a logo for English Wikipedia

Hi there! I am reposting this from another talk page because I have not received any response there. I am new to uploading on Wikimedia Commons, and I recently uploaded a logo for a company that I was hoping to use on the English Wikipedia article for "Soma Games." I read up on the Common's policies for fair use, and the English Wikipedia's policies for non-free content, Image use, and Logos. I left the information blank on the file page when uploading the image, and tried to use the Non-free use rationale logo template but that just seems to mark the image for speedy deletion.

I think one thing that I am still unsure on... is there a difference between uploading to Wikimedia Commons and the English Wikipedia? Or does the English Wikipedia pull directly from Wikimedia Commons, and all images uploaded to the former site are actually just uploaded to the latter? I don't quite understand how the relationship works between the two sites.

I know that I have probably done something incorrectly in this process, I just do not know what the correct way to do this is. I'm trying my hardest to do it right on my first attempt, so please excuse me if I am incorrect and please assume good faith. Could you please help me understand what the correct way is to upload an image of a [fair-use] logo to be used on the English Wikipedia?

Thank you very much! I really appreciate it! :) --Emitewiki2 (talk) 19:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, every project looks first localy on its own wiki for images, and if not found it looks on commons. Try to upload "your" logo to en: please. --JuTa 21:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Miniminter abd Bald and Bankrupt license

Andrew012p (talk) 16:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Hi JuTa, how do I add a license to the image I already uploaded about Miniminter and Bald? I want to make a CC BY-SA 3.0 licese but how to do it? Thanks, yours sincerely, Andrew012p. Edit, I think I found a license, is it okay now? Thanks :)

Hello. You cannot grant a Creative Commons licence unless you are the original photographer. Taking images from Instagram without a free licence at the source website is not allowed. De728631 (talk) 17:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, then how to get the license I don't understand? Public license? How to do that? Help please. Andrew012p (talk) 18:18, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

See Commons:OTRS. Ask the copyright holder, which is normaly the photographer, to release the images under a free license. He has to confirm this by sending an email to the commons support team. Once you know the mail has been sent, you place {{OTRS pending}} onto the files description pages. --JuTa 18:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah well... i'm not sure he knows about that or will do anything about it. He won't care if the image is here, trust me. But I understand still. Thank you friends. I'm trying to publish an article on miniminter, so an image is obviously important. Then, if nothing else is possible I guess I'll leave the image to you guys. Thanks anyway! Cheers! ;) Andrew012p (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Martinus Hortensius.png

Bonjour, N'étant pas habitué à la mise en ligne de documents sur Wikimedia Commons, Je n'ai peut-être pas donné toutes les indications nécessaires à la publication de l'image Martinus Hortensius. Cette image est extraite d'une copie d'écran de l'ouvrage "Responsio Ad Additivncvlam D. Ioannis Kepleri..." mis en ligne sur Google-Books à l'adresse: https://books.google.fr/books?id=DdVGAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Cet ouvrage ayant été publié en 1631, je pense que l'image est libre de droits aux Etats-Unis comme dans le pays d'origine (Pays-Bas).
Comme vous êtes plus expert que moi pour ces questions juridiques, je vous sollicite pour m'expliquer quelle est la démarche à suivre pour pérenniser la mise en ligne de cette image sur Wikimedia Commons.
Je vous remercie pour votre patience et votre coopération. Cordialement.--Jacques Mrtzsn (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thx I removed the problem tag now. --JuTa 09:07, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Moniek Toebosch on an elephant pulling a harrow.jpg

Hi, JuTa. Can you tell me why you removed this photograph? I could swear it was a photograph by the uploader himself (as the reaction on the removal on NLwiki also suggests) – did someone object or claim the copyright, or? Thanks, Eissink (talk) 18:34, 5 July 2020 (UTC).

According the description page the author was Theo Uittenbogaard (and not user:bdijkstra). Ist was marked as no permission on 24.6 by User:1Veertje. --JuTa 18:39, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I think that bdijkstra exported the picture by Theo Uittenbogaard, thanks. Anyhow: I see the picture is just re-upped, with OTRS, so all is well. Greetings, Eissink (talk) 18:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC).

Carogvinc8

Carovinc2 all of the work I submitted is my own and is through the cc 4.0 of canva. I wanted to make it clear. I will upload them to the wikicommons with the correct information at a later date. I am sorry for the lack of clarity. (I am refering to the Helpingsomeoneatrisk and other COVID infographics).

Maybe you should confirm your work through Commons:OTRS to lesser the risk of future deletions. --JuTa 20:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes. That is how I plan to proceed. I am still learning to ropes of wiki, Wikimedia in particular. Thank you for your help. If I am seeing it right all the infographics have been deleted correct?

File:Cedar rapids Iowa 2.jpg


 File:Cedar rapids Iowa 2.jpg has been marked for speedy deletion. A reason for the tagging has not been detected or none was placed.

Why not upload a picture of a plant, animal, or anything else which fits into our scope. You can contribute any media type you want, including but not limited to images, videos, music, and 3D models. Start uploading now ! If you don't have anything to upload at the moment, why not take a look at our best images or best videos, sounds and 3D models. If you have any doubts/questions don't hesitate to visit our help desk.

User who nominated the file for deletion (Nominator) : Frood.

I'm a computer program; please don't ask me questions but ask the user who nominated your file(s) for deletion or at our Help Desk. //Deletion Notification Bot (talk) 03:42, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I removed that speedy. It is a redirect and we should never delete redirects because files on Commons can also be used outside Wikipedia. And we never know if the file name is mentioned in a school book somewhere. --MGA73 (talk) 06:25, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Jan van Steenbergen.jpg

Dear JuTa, I noticed that you deleted my picture from my user page at wp.en. Would you please be so kind to put it back? Thanks in advance, IJzeren Jan (talk) 12:12, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, there was no source and no author named on the file description page. --JuTa 12:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Can you please undelete it? Obviously, it's a picture of myself that I uploaded myself. IJzeren Jan (talk) 16:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
But who made the picture? Obviously not yourself. The copyright belongs to the photographer, not to you. --JuTa 21:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Probably my wife, or my son. I've no idea, really. Honestly, aren't you exaggerating a bit? And besides, before you decide to delete someone's profile picture, shouldn't you at least ask the person in question first? IJzeren Jan (talk) 17:22, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
You was notified about it on 22.10.2019 on your talk page. I will NOT restore this file, but you may like to try an Commons:Undeletion request. --JuTa 17:48, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
There's nothing on my English or Dutch talk page, the only two editions where I am active on a regular basis. And since it was my profile picture at wp.en, you could at least have asked me there. You might want to consider that in the future. Anyway, Schwamm drüber. I do as you suggest. IJzeren Jan (talk) 19:17, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Seattle Center Exhibition Hall

I see you deleted Category:Seattle Center Exhibition Hall on the basis that it was empty. I have no idea how it became empty: we certainly have pictures in and of the building, including (I believe) some that I've taken myself.

Are you aware of any sane way to work out what happened here, in particular how this category presumably came to be removed from photos? - Jmabel ! talk 20:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I work regualy on User:Achim55/Unused categories and delete a lot of empty categories. Its very hard to find out how a cat became empty. And yes, feel free to undelete and repopulate it. regards --JuTa 20:28, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Help me out please

I used these pictures from https://archive.org/details/2015.97451.TughluqDynasty/page/n7/mode/2up from the first 3 pages. Please help me out or guide me on how to use them on wikipedia properly. Thank you

Hi, if these images are realy created in1993 as claimed, they are still under copyright and need tp be deleted from commons. --JuTa 14:23, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Baba_Luxy.jpg

Hi JuTa, you deleted the above image from my article and the reason was no permission given. I gave the written permission from the beginning. Can you please let me know what should I do now to put that image back into my article. Thank you for your guidance. Thamilaraci (talk) 00:32, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, there was no indication on the file description page the a written permittion was sent to the commons support team. Please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard for this case. --JuTa 00:35, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Undeletion of file File:老八rap.flac I uploaded

I finally found the source is a user on TikTok known as "心酸老八（不忘初心）". I will add this as soon as this file is undeleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThesenatorO5-2 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

But that gives you no permission to publish it under a free license as I assume you are not the composer, texter and intertpred of this music all in one person. --JuTa 02:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Comic-Con International (19401488940).jpg


 File:Comic-Con International (19401488940).jpg has been marked for speedy deletion. (Reason: COM:CSD#G2 G2: Broken redirect)

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User who nominated the file for deletion (Nominator) : CptViraj.

And also:

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New World Cartographic

Hallo JuTa, hoffentlich war es okay, Dich auf Commons:Deletion requests/Files Uploaded by New World Cartographic (die Seite ist BTW nirgendwo eingebunden!) anzupingen; ich hatte nur gesehen, dass Du bereits ein paar ältere Uploads des Users bearbeitet hast. Ich hatte denen gemailt und gefragt, was der Löschantrag soll und folgende Antwort (übersetzt) erhalten:
der Antrag auf Löschung (wurde) wegen eines Upload-Problems bezüglich der Beschreibungen für die einzelnen Bilder gestellt. Irgendwie wurden während des gesamten Prozesses meines "pattypan"-Massenuploads die Beschreibungen an die falschen Kartenbilder angehängt. Ich bat darum, sie zu löschen, damit ich sie korrekt reorganisieren und erneut hochladen kann.
Jetzt meine Frage: das sind also 46 Dateien mit Fehlern. Kennst Du Dich mit Pattypan aus? Soll ich die tatsächlich alle kurzfristig löschen, damit der User sie mit korrekten Beschreibungen versehen neu hochladen kann oder gibt es da einen anderen Weg?
Die gute Nachricht ist nämlich:
Diese erste Hochlade-Sitzung mit 50 Bildern ist eigentlich der Anfang unseres geplanten Verfahrens und dient in erster Linie als Test. Wir haben über 800 weitere schöne, qualitativ hochwertige Kartenbilder mit detaillierten Beschreibungen und Informationen, die wir gerne über Wikimedia-Commons weitergeben möchten.
Ist das nicht klasse? Ich würde die gerne unterstützen, denn die Karten sind toll, und würde mich über Deine Hilfe freuen. Vielleicht kennst Du auch einfach jemand Pattypan-Erfahrenen; ich habe das Tool noch nie genutzt. Viele Grüße, --Emha (talk) 17:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Nun ja, bei allen Stcihproben fehlte eine Lizenz. Und als Quelle "own work" anzugeben ist bei alten Karten auch schon mal falsch. Entweder müssen die existieren Dateibeschreibungen korregiert werden, oder die Bilder werden gelöscht. Gruß --JuTa 21:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Ich habe mich wohl missverständlich ausgedrückt (oder zu lang?). Ich versuche es nochmal in kurz:
  • Der User ist neu und hat das erste Mal Pattypan zum Upload ausprobiert
  • Dabei sind Fehler bei der Beschreibung passiert
  • Er möchte die Fehler beseitigen (und dabei auch die Lizenz korrigieren)
  • Soll er alle Dateien mit richtiger Beschreibung neu hochladen oder gibt es einen anderen Weg?
  • Wenn ja: soll ich vor dem Neu-Upload die Bilder kurzfristig löschen?
Danke und Gruß, --Emha (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Warum korregierrt er dann nicht einfach die Dateibeschreibungsseiten und Du entscheidest anschließend auf "kept". --JuTa 23:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Zu spät, ich hatte nun Category:Media without a license as of 1 July 2020 abgearbeitet und die Dateien gelöscht. Da war leider kein Hinweis auf den Löschantrag drin. --JuTa 06:53, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Der User ist neu, deswegen hat er den DR nicht korrekt hinbekommen, das schrieb ich ja oben (die Seite ist BTW nirgendwo eingebunden!). Aber nun gut, dann arbeiten wir mit der normativen Kraft des Faktischen und ich teile ihm mit, dass er den Upload noch einmal vornehmen soll. Danke und Gruß, --Emha (talk) 08:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Pimpf 1941.png

Hello, I missed why this images was deleted. Could you please enlighten me? Thanks. Evrik (talk) 19:34, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

There was a source missing. Its hard to believe that this 1941 work the {{Own}} work odf the uploader. --JuTa 19:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Bonoman.jpg

Hi Admin, i noticed you deleted this file because of licensing issue. However, i believe the file was attributed to Maphill and was fully accredited to © Maphill / CC BY-ND as it demands http://www.maphill.com/license/, as the uploader did. Kindly help out. Thanks. Sacrifice06 (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, "ND" licenses are not accepted on commons - see Commons:Licensing. --JuTa 20:04, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Admin, however the copyright says © Maphill / CC BY-ND, can one use only the "© Maphill" solely or under any means on commons. So as to get this file back. Sacrifice06 (talk) 20:36, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
No, except Maphill sends a confirmation about an accepted license to the commons support team - see Commons:OTRS. --JuTa 20:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Undeletion request: File:Coping with Bipolar Disorder during COVID-19 (Tashsa Regan) v1.jpg

The uploader of the files below was the creator (Tashsa Regan). Did they get the license incorrectly filled in?

She's from the HGAPS infographics team. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 10:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

The given source was Emailed by author to me to upload. The author was Tasha Regan. This requires that Tasha Regan sends an email to the commons support team, confirming that she is willing the files under a free license. See Commons:OTRS. --JuTa 10:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Emacs12.9.png

Hmm, it's the "Open-source Multics License" and "Own work", what info are you missing? -- Polluks (talk) 19:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

A valid license template - see Commons:Copyright tags. --JuTa 21:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Reunión Bilateral en Francia (29793804195).jpg

Hi ! I don't understand why you deleted this file with "No licence" as an explanation. The image is from [2], and public domain here. Of course PD in Flickr can be dubious, but here it's from an official organization (Ministerio de Hacienda de Paraguay). What more is needed ? Léna (talk) 08:39, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

The public domain mark is not accepted on commons - see Commons:Flickr files. --JuTa 08:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Gadget-AjaxQuickDelete

Hi. I wanted to translate this tool to Turkish language, but I don't have a permission to access and make edits in MediaWiki pages. How can I make the translation? I don't know if I make the translation im my sandbox or something and then you publish.--Nanahuatl (talk) 08:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, as far as I know only admins can edit MediaWiki pages. But you can try to prepare it on a subpage of your user-age and later request a "move" into production i.e. on Commons:Administrators noticeboard. JuTa 09:01, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

File:(testrun) Austria COVID-19 cases per capita.svg


 File:(testrun) Austria COVID-19 cases per capita.svg has been marked for speedy deletion. A reason for the tagging has not been detected or none was placed.

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Thank you

Hey there! Thank you for alerting me regarding license of the photos I uploaded. Unless there are important things in the discussion, please don't alert me about it, as I am currently trying to switch the photos to the English Wikipedia since the photos fit there. Other than that, thank you for alerting me to be more careful when uploading photos. Gerald Waldo Luis (talk) 07:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Dirigible España

Podrias explicarme (soy nuevo en wikicommons) por que borraste la categoria ¿"dirigible España"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quimper200 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

It was empty. Generaly category names are in english here, so if you like to categorize something into it, please create Category:Airships of Spain. (Compare with the other cats in Category:Airships by country.) --JuTa 08:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Van Cleve

Hi JuTa, can you restore? Thanks. Lotje (talk) 16:02, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

✓ Done --JuTa 00:50, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

File:The presidential yacht of the Philippines Banahaw (ex-Casania, ex-Cassandra) arriving in the Philippines 25 November 1936.jpg

Hi JuTa, I added some license information to the image. The image was from a Philippine government website that states that all photos are in the public domain; and when it was published in 1936, the Philippines was a part of the United States. Did I add the correct licenses? Thanks!Patapsco913 (talk) 02:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Thx, I removed the problem tag. --JuTa 02:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patapsco913 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Dimitrie Nistor.jpg

Thanks for the warning. The photo in question has been released in the public domain through OTRS, as required at the time. — AdiJapan 16:14, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Then please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard if they could fix the file description page. --JuTa 21:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Peiter Zatko at DARPA.jpg

Hi, JuTa -

Could you [3] restore? This is a public-domain photo created as part of official duties as a US govt employee (a Pentagon official photo), and by United States law it is a public-domain photo. What is the best way to annotate this on the image? Thanks! Royce (talk) 01:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps, if you can give a a verifiable source. --JuTa 02:45, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
The file metadata includes the valid VIRIN 110210-A-5590K-004, which indicates that this is a work of the US Department of Defense, more specifically an Army employee, produced on 2011-02-10. A few website redesigns and a change in DoD imagery policy between now and then mean that the Commons file, uploaded on 2012-04-14, is the oldest surviving public web source. I did find [4] and [5], of a similar vintage. https://twitter.com/dotMudge/status/1286836637847171073 also confirms the source. We've kept similar obvious DoD official photos with VIRINs at DR before, but if you don't want to restore it I'll list it for discussion at COM:UNDEL. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 03:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Then please raise an UDR. I would like to have a second pair of eyes on this case. --JuTa 04:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Another source: [6]. I believe this image should be restored. Tony Tan (talk) 09:50, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Please comment at COM:UDR#File:Peiter Zatko at DARPA.jpg. --JuTa 09:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Eli Ronen

Hello JuTa,

The Category:Eliezer Ronen contain only files of Eli Ronen (Q97600749) not Eliezer Ronen (Q2900689). I'v just reciaved application through Ticket:2020072410001957. -- Geagea (talk) 07:41, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

NEOWISE from the International space station.webm

Hallo JuTa, warum wurde die o. g. Datei gelöscht? Ich hatte mir extra die Arbeit gemacht, alle Quellen nachzuvollziehen und zu dokumentieren sowie die passenden Lizenzen einzutragen. Meines Erachtens sah alles gut aus, was war jetzt noch falsch? Grüße --Ras67 (talk) 15:56, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, uaf dem 1. Link https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ seh ich kein Video. --JuTa 16:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Na weil es dort auch kein Video gibt. Unser Video wurde aus lauter einzelnen Bildern zusammengesetzt, die von einem Astronauten über die „Crew Earth Observations“ mit einer Nikon D5 aufgenommemen wurden. Ich dachte, dass geht aus der Beschreibung der Lizenzen hervor. Grüße --Ras67 (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Dann sollten aber auch die EInzelbilder per deeplink verlinkt sein, und nicht eifach nur die Startseite. --JuTa 20:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Nun ja 281 Bilder lassen sich jetzt nicht so einfach verlinken, ich dachte ein Link bei "Lizenz Video frames: (ISS063-E-39696 – ISS063-E-39977)" reicht. Ich habe nun oben bei Quelle das erste und letzte Bild "deep" verlinkt. --Ras67 (talk) 12:30, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Wurde ja zwischenzeitlich "anderweitig" wiederhegestellt. Und ich hatte die Quellen unter Quelle gesucht. --JuTa 13:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Mgr René-Nicolas Sergent.jpg

Bonjour Vous avez semble-t-il supprimé le fichier, au motif d'un problème de copyright, sans tenir compte de ma réponse du 20 juillet dernier : «La gravure est ancienne (plus d'un siècle), et son auteur (dessinateur-graveur) inconnu; elle est conservée dans les collections des Archives diocésaines de Quimper, qui acceptent la reproduction et la diffusion de cette image. J'indique donc comme auteur "Archives diocésaines de Quimper".» Pouvez-vous m'en donner la raison? THK29 (talk) 08:22, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Thats because I didnt saw your response. There were several problems on the file description page. A License template was completly missing, It was not created in 2020 as claimed and it is not your Travail personnel. We would need a proper source and license - see also Commons:Copyright tags. --JuTa 08:32, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Mgr Pierre Le Neboux de la Brosse.jpg

Bonjour Vous avez semble-t-il supprimé ce fichier, au motif d'un problème de copyright, sans tenir compte de ma réponse du 20 juillet dernier : «La gravure est ancienne (300 ans...), et son auteur (dessinateur-graveur) inconnu; elle est conservée dans les collections des Archives diocésaines de Quimper, qui acceptent la reproduction et la diffusion de cette image. J'indique donc comme auteur "Archives diocésaines de Quimper".» Pouvez-vous m'expliquer en quoi ma réponse n'était pas satisfaisante ? THK29 (talk) 08:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

see above. --JuTa 08:33, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Thomas_of_Cana

@JuTa Why has this been deleted? Permission to use the image was emailed to wikimedia commons by the copyright holder of the image Alexander Mapleton in April, 2019. Ticket#: 2019012210001349 Thomast48 (talk) 02:16, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Thomast48: The concerns raised in Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard/archive/2020#File:Thomas_of_Cana.jpg_OTRS_Violation_suspected were not addressed, so we could not confirm permission for and keep the file. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 03:20, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@AntiCompositeNumber: the concern raised on OTRS was the following "Its not easy to establish that the Editor of the book Book created the painting. As the following images are available from 2016. Further this image look like a photo of a printed image (not painted) Further, Claim of artist is suspicious as image is existing in the internet with copyright protections Picture on Uploaders/OTRS Book Picture available from Internet"

They state it is suspicious because the image is available online from a 2016 source. The text where the image is from pre-dates the 2016 source and was published in 2010 by the author. Because the authors text is from 2010 this means it is older than the images available online and is the original source.

Please (re)discuss this on the Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard. --JuTa 04:21, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@JuTa: I have added to the discussion.

File:Умари Хайём (4).jpg

Лицензия File:Умари Хайём (4).jpg > cc-by-sa-4.0

File:Умари Хайём (4).jpg не используется в других вики. [7] -- (talk) 07:05, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Cuirt_Festival_1986_Poster.jpg permission

Regarding https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cuirt_Festival_1986_Poster.jpg I believe I adhered to all the permission requirements by having the author email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org and he was clear that permission was granted as long as he was given credit which he was. Please advise what more I need to do to undelete and avoid future deletion. The image was added to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%BAirt_International_Festival_of_Literature but is now removed.

Hi, the release was not confirmed by OTRS stuff for more than a month. Please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard for your case. --JuTa 13:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Ju. I'm asking the OTRS staff via the noticeboard as you suggested. Would it be possible to undelete the image while it is being discussed? The image contains some references that verify some of the names listed in the article. --Phogieone (talk) 16:20, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

The OTRS agent dont demand a restore. Please be patient. --JuTa 22:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Polly Morgan

Regarding File:Polly_Morgan,_cinematographer.jpg, I had received the photo directly from her in an email, after explaining what I was looking for. I had provided her the link to here to finalize the process. I was not able to tell if she had completed it or not. I assume this means she did not? Can the photo be restored for a temporary period, and I can follow up with her to request for her to finalize the process? I can forward you the email exchange if that will help OTRS approval. Erik (talk) 15:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, there was a ticket, but the release was not confirmed by OTRS stuff for more than a month. Please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard for your case. --JuTa 15:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I've done that. Thanks. Erik (talk) 15:20, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Actually, can you let me know the ticket number, so I can pass it on? Erik (talk) 15:21, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
The ticket number was 2020032510008438. --JuTa 22:43, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Juta.Could you please restore the following

File:Jesus_ved_den_syge_Pige._Elisa_Maria_Boglino._Tusch_og_Akvarel._Ca.1970.jpg, and File:Den_Barmhjertige_Samaritan._Elisa_Maria_Boglino._Tusch_med_turkis_Akvarel._ca_1980.jpg ...they belong to the article about the danish artist Elisa Maria Boglino, I am the owner of the copyright, and commons have signed papers about this- Arthur Crombez knows about it, and also Jcb , who might not be active anymore. If you have not recieved release mails from please help me to make new ones. I do remember very little about writing in wikipedia so please forgive me , for not doing it wright. I also beg you to look at the other pictures in the article which still not have persmission. I have uploadet all the pictures in that article , and I am the owner of the copyright. Please write Arthur Crbz about it , if he is still active. Thank you.User:HNBS

Hi, there was no confirmation for them by OTRS stuff. Pleas ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard for these cases. The Ticket numbers were 2019060210001172 and 2018100510004327. PS: You are very likely not the copyright holder, as you are not the painter of those painting. Misses Boglimo died in 2002 this makes her work cpyrighted (by her heirs) until end of 2072 in most countries. --JuTa 23:56, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I have written Noticeboard and Arthur Crbz.....maybe his is not active at the moment. I am her heir, her grandchild, and I own the copyright together with my sister and uncle...and commons have signed papers from all of us. I think I might need to do new release papers but I nearly cannot remember what and how to do.?Ciopone. (talk) 12:25, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi I have sent an release email to commons ticket:[Ticket#2020073010006511] ....hope this will do it?Ciopone. (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of files on wikimedia commons

I uploaded the files as part of a wikipedia project of the museum I work for. Could you tell me why the following files were deleted? They're part of the following OTRS-ticket: Ticket#2020031110007018 and are in the process of being verified or were verified. More specific the first three are photographs of objects in the collection of the museum. The photographer made these images in the context of an assignment by the museum and ceded his rights afterwards to the institution.

As the museum is planning to upload more images to wikimedia commons, I would like to know how I can prevent the deletion of files going forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diethard.Vlaeminck (talk • contribs) 12:52, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, the release was not confirmed by OTRS stuff for more than a month. Please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard for your case. --JuTa 13:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I could not confirm, because of the precotionary principle and the unknown photographer. There was no explanation about how the Museum became owner of the images copyright, I would like to refer to my two emails from March 18th. Ciell (talk) 16:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for taking the time to clean the backlog of OTRS received templates!!

Ciell (talk) 16:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Deleting duplicate TIFFs

While I get that older files are often kept, I do think you need to pay attention to differences in documentation. With the recent Quo Vadis poster, you deleted the correctly documented one (credited the actual creators of the photo, not the American copyright holder for the movie, who was mistakenly credited as the poster's creator), broke the linkage to the restored version, and made the naming scheme inconsistent.

I get there's benefit in the old one. But when one file's documentation is bot created, and the other had half an hour spent trying to make sure everything was correctly documented and in the right field, and is connected to restorations that took 5 hours, and so on, I kind of have issues. Your merging of the two files' description was literally copying one category over.

Obviously, you mean well. That's a given. But it's basically down to file gets deleted, and then I have to turn the other file into a copy of the old file so that the documention is fixed, and so it's marked with {{Original}} with the link to the restored file - why on earth is that not a template that gets merged? - and, in this case, fix the author to the actual author - who did not appear -, noting the copyright holder, clean up a bunch of sentence fragments scattered around the page in the wrong order...

I'm belabouring the point and am going to stop writing. I'm not angry or anythimg, just a little annoyed, because it's easy to miss this kind of thing in the history, and if you do, a whole lot of work is suddenly lost.. Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, which file(s) are aou talking about? --JuTa 10:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
File:Quo Vadis - G.C.K.(monogram) LCCN2007676177.tif , although I moved it back to the other name as that's a distinctly undescriptive name. Focuses on what I'm pretty sure is just a "Copyright George Kleine" monogram (it's G©K if anything), and ignores the actual title of the poster. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

NB I-75 Marion Co Weigh Station; One Mile

Thank you for deleting the original version of File:NB I-75 Marion Co Weigh Station; One Mile.jpg. As you can see, I've restored it as originally intended, and I'm about to explain why. The intended version of the file is what you see here. However I renamed another one with the wrong name and gave the description you see for it. I considered tagging the file for splitting, but I was afraid the data between the two versions of the file would remain the same, so I cancelled that splitting request and renamed it myself as File:NB I-75 Marion Co Weigh Station; Truck Parking Spaces.jpg, then tried to remove the incorrect name so I could add the version I wanted. ----DanTD (talk) 17:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Gebrüder Metz

Hallo JuTa,
würdest du bitte diese Schablone undelete machen?! Du hast sie gelöscht kurz bevor ich mich darum kümmern konnte. Wenn du sie nicht gelöscht hättest, wäre die Sache längst erledigt. Löschen von so einer Schablone betrachte ich als kontraproduktiv, weil wenn sie geschrieben worden ist und dazu von einem Administrator, dann muss doch annehmen, dass es beabsichtigtes Handeln war und kein Spiel. Andererseits hat so eine Schablone ohne Bestätigung keinen Wert. Wenn ich aber jemanden bitten möchte, so eine Schablone zu bestätigen, dann muss die Schablone für ihn auch zugänglich sein, auch wenn ich das schon mit ihm besprochen habe. Sonst wäre es so, als ob er etwas quasi in blanco unterschreiben sollte. Jetzt wird die Schablone dringend benötigt und wenn du sie undelete machst, gedulde dich bitte etwas, bis sie bestätigt wird. Ich weiß nicht, ob der zuständige Mann nicht gerade im Urlaub ist. Die Bestätigung kommt aber garantiert. Gruß, Mewa767 (talk) 06:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, das ist über ein halbes Jahr her und die Vorlage wird doch gar nicht (mehr) benutzt. Wo soll sa der Sinn bestehen, sie wiederherzustellen? Frag doch mal User:Didym, ob er noch Verwendung dafür sieht. --JuTa 08:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Die Vorlage konnte nicht benutzt werden, weil sie nicht existierte. Wenn sie existiert, wird sie wohl immer mehr benutzt. Den Sinn kann ich dir selbst erklären: Vor allem ich, aber auch andere Leute haben immer wieder Postkarten oder Fotos aus dem Verlag Gebrüder Metz eingestellt, die nur mit einer OTRS-Erlaubnis auf Commons bleiben dürfen. Bisher habe ich auf langen Listen diese Erlaubnisse beantragt. Das ist für alle Beteiligten umständlich und zeitraubend. Das Haus der Geschichte Baden-Württemberg, das Rechteinhaber aller Bilder aus dem Verlag Gebrüder Metz ist, hat völlig unabhängig von der Sache mit Commons beschlossen, dass alle Bilder des Verlags, die bis zum 31. Dezember 1959 gemacht worden sind, frei sind. Nur auf Commons kann man das nicht anders darstellen. Um sich, mir und dem Leiter der zuständigen Abteilung im Haus der Geschichte Arbeit zu erleichtern, hat mir Didym diese Lösung vorgeschlagen und du hast sie gleich zunichte gemacht. Ich habe in der letzten Zeit wieder eine ganze Reihe von Fotos hochgeladen, die so eine OTRS-Erlaubnis brauchen. Es werden aber auch immer wieder weitere hinzukommen. Also mache bitte die Schablone undelete. --Mewa767 (talk) 12:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)vorläu

Hmm, nur würden die Bilder die mit dieser Vorlage versehen würden, sofort in "Bitte-lösch-mich" Kategorien wie Category:No OTRS permission landen, da die Freigabe von OTRS nicht bestätigt ist. Nun gut, die Vorlage ist vorläufig wieder da. Bitte frag auf Commons:OTRS noticeboard nach, damit die Freigabe bestätigt oder endgültig abgelehnt werden kann. Gruß --JuTa 14:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
@Mewa767: Mit diesr Deiner Änderung bekommst Du erneuut eine Frist von 4 Wochen, bevor wieder glöscht wird, falls dann immer noch keine Bestätigung vorliegt. Also bitte nicht wundern, falls dies Anfang September eintritt. --JuTa 14:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Danke. Ich habe gestern die Einverständniserklärung beantragt. Ich hoffe, dass die Zeit reicht, auch wenn der Mann jetzt Urlaub haben sollte. Gruß --Mewa767 (talk) 02:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

File:Joey Manahan 2020.jpg

Hi JuTa. Would you mind taking a look at this file? You deleted a file which had the same name a few weeks ago and I'm not sure if this is just a re-upload of that file or a new file just with the same name, but either way this appears to be a clear copyright violation. I think the uploader might somehow be connected to the subject and therefore thinks that means that they can upload photos of the subject on his behalf as long as they have the subject's consent. This might be a work-for-hire, but the photographer who apparently took the photo is clearly claiming copyright ownership on their official website. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:56, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, its exactly the same image, by the same uploader but with claim author=Russell Ianoue before. Marking as copyvio (as you did) is IMHO OK. Some other admn will likely (re)delete it soon. --JuTa 09:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look at this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi again JuTa. The file linked to above was deleted as a copyvio. ShirleyAnnTempo then basically went and re-uploaded it again as File:Manahan.jpg. I think that this editor probably means well, but that's not a good reason for continuing to re-upload the same file over and over again each time it's deleted. At some point, the editor has to be competent enough to ask "Why is this happening?" and "How can I stop the file from being deleted again?" I've added a {{End of copyvios}} template to their user talk page, but I don't think that will stop them from re-uploading this file yet once again after this latest one has been deleted. It might be time for an administrator to step in and formally warn the account or issue a short block. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:15, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

RE: Carleton University images

Hello,

I am writing with some concern as to the imminent deletion of some historical photographs of Carleton University.

To provide you with context, these photographs were taken from Carleton University's digital archives on the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Carleton+University%22, which I was under the impression of being under an open license as they were taken from yearbooks uploaded onto that website. I believe that the usage of this photograph is fair use, given the historical value and public nature of the photographs.

I have taken the liberty of emailing the Director of Archives and Special Collections at Carleton University to request they send an email to release rights for the images in question. I would appreciate a delay on deleting the images until Archives and Special Collections has an opportunity to release the rights.

I will admit that I am relatively unfamiliar with the copyright protocol on Wikipedia, especially around historical images. No one has seemed to walk me through this process, so any clarity you can provide would be immensely appreciated.

Yours sincerely, --Bronwood315 (talk) 19:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

As soon as you know that the mail(s) have been sent to the commons support team as documented on Commons:OTRS, please add {{subst:OP}} to the fie description page. This will add {{OTRS pending}} with date paremeters and will give a period of about a month before the image(s) will e deleted if the release will not get confirmed by OTRS stuff. regards --JuTa 19:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Re:Copyright status: File:UHP Prensa Histórica.jpg

Hola JuTa, he visto que ya se ha procedido al borrado del archivo en cuestión. Cuando lo subí tuve dudas de como etiquetar el tipo de licencia ya que la página donde lo descargué no me ofrecía esa información. Está sacado de la Biblioteca Virtual de Prensa Histórica ( https://prensahistorica.mcu.es/es/publicaciones/numeros_por_mes.do?idPublicacion=3712 ) y por más que le dí vueltas no vi en ningún lado las licencias por ello puse enlace a la página web. Gracias por el seguimiento, no lo hice con intención de saltarme ninguna regla, unicamente me parecía que aportaba más información al artículo. Un saludo --Pintakuda (talk) 18:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, when you cannot find a free license at a source page, then its likely "all rights reserved" and you should not upload it to commons. --JuTa 19:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for reverting File:Alyn Smith MEP 003.jpeg. Could you please check the discussion page of this user and his recent edits. He seems to be a man on a mission. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 20:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Improperly deleted image

You deleted this image -- File:Joseph Tartakovsky at 2020 PRI CA Ideas in Action Conference.jpg -- but this image was uploaded by the copyright owner and indicated a Creative Commons license. You should restore it. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 50.1.86.153 (talk) 04:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

No, the flickr source still shows the PDM, which is not acceoted on Commons. --JuTa 07:08, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Juta. You flagged a photo I'm editing as lacking enough copyright information

I found the image on the web and was wondering how I can properly credit the photo. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jake Kagon (talk • contribs) 16:46, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

User: Jake Kagon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jake Kagon (talk • contribs) 16:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Dont upload photos you found in the web, except you find a clear statement of a free accepted license too, see Commons:Licensing. --JuTa 21:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

File:Maciej Zaborowski.png

Hi,

Could you undelete the file: File:Maciej Zaborowski.png. It seems that I have forgotten to add OTRS template to this picture, although proper agreement for this picture and two others has been sent on December 2019. See ticket:2019121310003147. Polimerek (talk) 21:02, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure, ✓ Done. --JuTa 21:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you :-) Polimerek (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Category:Adolfo Almarza

Hi. Please revive it. Danke. --E4024 (talk) 20:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

✓ Done. --JuTa 21:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Category:Pavlovna_(given_name)

Category discussion warning

Category:Pavlovna_(given_name) has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category.

In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

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1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 09:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Félix Huerta y Huerta (1901) cuadro

Hola JuTa:

Recientemente has borrado el archivo File:Félix Huerta y Huerta (1901) cuadro.png

No entiendo muy bien el motivo. El cuadro es de 1901. El autor es desconocido. Y su dueño actual, que es Arsenio Lope Huerta (bisnieto de Félix Huerta y Huerta) ha dado por escrito la oportuna autorización para que este cuadro, que representa a un importante alcalde de Alcalá de Henares, se pueda publicar en Wikimedia Commons.

Te agradecería, si eres tan amable, que replantearas la situación y volviera a estar disponible esta imagen, que ilustra varias páginas en Wikipedia. Un cordial saludo:Raimundo Pastor (talk) 21:41, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, there was an OTRS-Release running since March this year without a confirmation by OTRS-stuff. I cleaned up some backlogs recently. Please ask on Commons:OTRS noticeboard for this case, as I cannot access the OTRS tickets. PS: The painting seems to me signed in the left bottom cornor, so the author is not anonymous. This might be the reason for the missing confirmation. regards --JuTa 21:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hola. En los datos del cuadro puse los OTRS tickets. Por favor, leelos, ya que el dueño legítimo del cuadro autoriza su reproducción en Wikimedia Commons. Respecto a la firma ("B. Buj") que aparece en el cuadro, me ha resultado imposible identificar al pintor. He consultado varios libros sobre biografías de pintores en España del siglo XIX y XX, y no he localizado ninguno que firmara así. Tampoco he localizado ningún pintor en Internet que coincida con esa firma, fecha (1901) y localidad (Alcalá de Henares). Por eso pongo que el pintor es "desconocido" (pero no digo que sea "anónimo"). Considerando que el cuadro tiene 119 años de antigüedad, no es difícil asumir que el autor haya fallecido e que hayan caducado sus derechos. Por eso solicité permiso al dueño del cuadro, que amablemente lo ha autorizado. Por todo ello, te solicito que vuelvas a ponerlo visible en Wikimedia Commons. Un cordial saludo:Raimundo Pastor (talk) 07:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Again please talk to the people at Commons:OTRS noticeboard. I cannot access the ticket. And about unknown and not anonymous you would likely wait till 2022 as the period is 120 years - see {{PD-old-assumed}}. regards --JuTa 08:05, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
I now ping User:Regasterios as the OTRS agent working on it in April. --JuTa 08:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi all! I didn't work on this file as OTRS agent. I have deleted it accidentally because there was two different OTRS templates on it (pending and received), and 30+7 days have passed. Krdbot added OTRS received template in March. Raimundo Pastor has asked me to restore it on my talk page. I did it and removed the pending template. --Regasterios (talk) 09:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ganímedes is the owner of the ticket, he/she was working on it. --Regasterios (talk) 09:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi all! I can't verify the tickets without the exact number. Sorry. BTW: I'm a "she" :) --Ganímedes (talk) 18:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
@Ganímedes: 2020031510005432. But I see you already know it. --Regasterios (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
I saw this message first, and then the other. Sorry. --Ganímedes (talk) 21:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
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