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Most memorable shot 2022 / Wikimania 2023

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

I wish you a Happy New Year! As it has been our tradition at the beginning of the new year for a while, we're sharing our most memorable shots of the past year with each other. I invite you to share a picture that is particular meaningful to you and to describe why that's the case. Also, as Wikimania 2023 will be here before we know it (August 16 to 19), please consider adding your thoughts on our planning page, where we gather ideas for how we can make Commons photography more visible than in the years before.

All the best to you, your family, and friends! --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 21:01, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Sapiens et iustus es.
188.123.231.39 06:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Your photo used with credit

@Jmabel, This photo File:Cement plant 02.jpg with credit to you appeared today on All In with Chris Hayes in reference to a Supreme Court case and hearing, which I think was also today. -- Ooligan (talk) 07:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ooligan: Thanks for letting me know! - Jmabel ! talk 16:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
You are welcome. Congratulations, -- Ooligan (talk) 16:49, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Moving forward

Is it better to create CFDs for each empty category like Trivialist did at Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2023/01#Category:SCOOB!_characters or focus on reverting the edits first so that the discussions aren't pointless? Both options are terrible because I can at best half-heartedly say they should be deleted but I feel foolish saying "someone else gutted this and it's now empty but believe me, if we had what I think we had here, it would be a bad category." Maybe I can get a bot to make a list of what pages were in those categories first and then post that so the discussions aren't basically rigged from the start. It's a lot of work to have an honest debate even if I think they are all ridiculous. Ricky81682 (talk) 05:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

A question

Do you have an opinion on the Universal Code of Conduct and its revision. If so, do you want to share it? Krok6kola (talk) 17:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Agree with the inevitable part. Krok6kola (talk) 17:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
There has been a distinct show of courtesy on the part of some editors as a result of this Universal Code. So I am in favor. I can't get into the weeds of any changes. (My ADD and advanced years) Krok6kola (talk) 19:51, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

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Affected:

Yours sincerely, Abzeronow (talk) 16:05, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Livioandronico2013

Hi,I haven't had any arguments with anyone,I get insulted,they say my photos are crap,I don't intend to participate in QI OR FP but just put up photos but I get blocked for facts from 10 years ago. Thanks for your attention and sorry for the trouble. 151.46.218.2 00:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

  • FWIW, I have never had any of my own photos selected for FP. The people who vote there have a very specific aesthetic, which for the most part I don't share. I personally find it not worth fighting over.
  • However, if you are interested in having an account restored here, I suggest you resist the urge to post from an IP address while blocked. Stick to making requests for an unblock on your own talk page. Anything else is likely to be considered block evasion. - Jmabel ! talk 00:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
    They don't even consider unblocking me, and anyway I didn't insist on posting pictures, I put up undoubtedly better pictures but since I am blocked then they say I insist. It's a dog biting its own tail. Anyway sincerely thank you for your interest. It was kind. 151.46.218.2 00:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
  • You are kind! Krok6kola (talk) 01:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Very sorry

I'm sorry to bother again but now he did this [1]--109.52.98.243 21:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

  • I hope you understand that by posting to my user page, you are violating your block, which makes it pretty much impossible for me to take you side in this. You obviously are not good at leaving well enough alone. Right now, I'm inclined to stay out of this. If you post to my page again, including if you respond to this, I'll probably have to support the ban. Just stop. - Jmabel ! talk 00:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Need some help?

@Jmabel Hello. How can i help here? This category needs to be emptied so it can be deleted as per your discussion, I could empty it unless you want to do it. - Category:Historic Columbia River Gorge National Scenic Area Photos I found another similar one by the same sock. Category:Historic Photos Forest Service Pacific Northwest Region Thanks, -- Ooligan (talk) 18:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For deleting my page. Thanks!

Waylon111 (talk) 18:25, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Curation...

It needs an admin to change/implement it, but this change to {{Internet Archive Link}} is overdue. Template:Internet Archive link/sandbox. The next problem is how to implement a review process. The best guide I have is the existing License review process, but I am not sure how you prevent the user that uploaded the file self-signing that they verified it.

The intention with this change is that eventually all compatible files are in the /verified cat. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:53, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

  • @ShakespeareFan00: Better to make this sort of request at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard than to hit me up. I don't really know enough about this template to make a judgement call, someone else will.
  • But a couple of comments: 1) the documentation will need to be updated as well. 2) I presume that the intent with "reviewed" is specific to when this is used to cite a source (since there can be other reasons to link to an archived file, e.g. for a citation). We don't want to end up categorizing some file as having a licensing problem because its description cites a copyrighted file on the Internet Archive. - Jmabel ! talk 21:04, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
    Hmm... That's a reasonable considerationShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:17, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Seed catalogs..

Any chance you could partition Category:Henry G. Gilbert Nursery and Seed Trade Catalog Collection by year?

Also if you find post 1928 editions of catalogs with notices, you know what to do, already :)

It would be nice to get this cleaned up quickly. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

  • @ShakespeareFan00: any particular reason you are asking me rather than someone who has worked on that category? I've got a lot of other projects I'm working on. I guess I'm willing to do this if there's some reason I'd be better than a random person... - Jmabel ! talk 19:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
    I asked you because you'd done splits of categories before:) If you know of better people, please kindly point them in my direction... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
    • @ShakespeareFan00: This particular one is immense (over 20,000 files) and doesn't look easy (no obvious consistent pattern to the filenames that indicates the dates). I suspect someone will have to spend hours, if not days, on this, and it isn't in an area I'm particularly interested in. - Jmabel ! talk 19:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
      I was using a regexp on a field in the book template, not the filename ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
      • Makes sense but, again: why would this be any easier for me to follow through than for people who have been working in that category? I don't bring any special expertise, and nothing here requires an admin. Or am I missing something? - Jmabel ! talk 20:00, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
        No worries, I already got you were busy right now. I was giving a technicial explanation of how i was going to proceed when I had time. Generally, I try to find an admin to do big partitions because they have access to bot flags, a normal user doesn't (as well as higher level API access to do mass actions more quickly.). It doesn't need an admin as such, it just gets done more quickly with tools admins can use, but normal users can't. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Good morning

Moved from User talk:Jmabel/Archival
Good evening, with your permission, I would like to know how to make the photos that I took with copyright or copyright Jimmy Yelzer (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Moved from User talk:Jmabel/Archival - Jmabel ! talk 18:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jimmy Yelzer: You cannot "make something copyright". Assuming the work to be copyrightable, I believe that right now under the law of every country in the world, it is copyrighted at creation. If it is legitimately your own work, you own the copyright, and can grant a license. If it is someone else's work, they own the copyright, and only they can grant a license. There is such a thing (in some countries) as transferring copyright, but usually that can only be done by a formal document or declaration by the old copyright-holder. In particular: you cannot take some random thing off of the Internet or off of a television screen and somehow make it OK to upload to Commons. - Jmabel ! talk 19:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Good evening, my friend

Good evening, my friend, I'm sorry to bother you, but I wanted to know Mithal. I took a picture with my mobile phone, and I want to copyright it. I mean, the property rights remain in my opinion, because I am a fan of writing articles about the captured personalities, and I have knowledge about places and people. With your permission, I am sorry if this bothers you for free Jimmy Yelzer (talk) 20:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

  • @Jimmy Yelzer: I have no idea who or what "Mithal" is, nor really what you mean by "the captured personalities" nor "the property rights remain in my opinion."
  • If you take a picture with your mobile phone, you own the copyright by default (unless it's just a picture of someone else's copyrighted work).
  • Please, though: there is nothing here that I can uniquely help you with. You already opened up a discussion on the help desk. Please let's keep it there, where anyone can step in, not just me. - Jmabel ! talk 20:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Good evening

I want you to teach me how to copyright the photos I took with a camera Jimmy Yelzer (talk) 20:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Please

Please how can I copyright the pictures I take with my phone camera Jimmy Yelzer (talk) 20:48, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

* @Jimmy Yelzer: See my reply above. - Jmabel ! talk 00:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

How to remove autocomplete from comment summary

Hi Jmabel/Archive 11: On 05:41, 4 January 2021 you helped me out on the Helpdesk in the thread "How to remove autocomplete from comment summary" (Sorry I don't know how Commons archives discussions). At the time you explained very clearly why edit summary comments are subject to autocomplete, but regular edits are not (thank you!).

Since that time I have periodically experienced strange additIons or removals of text from edits I have made, and am trying to figure out why this happens. Just wondering if you know something about this subject? I realize you are very busy, so please take your time.

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 18:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  1. @Ottawahitech: "strange additions or removals" isn't specific enough for anyone to have a chance of answering you.
  2. Probably better asked on Help desk, where a number of experienced people will see your question, rather than just one. - Jmabel ! talk 18:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Category pages that look like quasi-Wikipedia articles (VP discussion)

Atwngirl has responded to your post on their user talk page. Apparently, they were hospitalized due to a car accident and unable to respond at the time. Commons:Village pump/Archive/2023/02#Category pages that look like quasi-Wikipedia articles has already been archived. If you want to re-open the discussion to give them a chance to respond, then that's fine with me. I'm not sure how Commons works regarding that, but you might know since you're an admin, -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Category:Marxist–Leninist Party of Germany discussion

Hi. I'm kind of wondering what the options are for the CfD now that GPSLeo started the competing discussion. It's not super great to have multiple discussion for the same issue going on at once. So is there even a point in leaving the CfD open for further discussion or will whatever the outcome of it is just be null in void because of the proposal? Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 17:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  • @Adamant1: I hate to say it, but my answer is "I don't care". It's a minor political party, about which we will never have a large amount of media, and I walked away from the discussion because it essentially consisted of the same people restating the same positions over and over. - Jmabel ! talk 17:45, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
I feel you. I should probably just walk away from it to since they clearly aren't going to be reasonable or care about other people's opinions. I guess it's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:00, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Allentown discussion on Help Desk

Would you mind taking a look at the HD discussion about Allentown? Altwngirl posted a comment but in the process of doing so completely removed all of the other comments made by others. While I'm sure this was done by mistake, this is the kind of thing that can really piss others off and make them not try to want to help Altwngirl. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Your opinion is requested

Hi, I asked Jeff G. this question but then I thought you might know more about the subject: Do you think categorizing an airport that did not exist until 1973 as Category:Ben Gurion International Airport in the 1930s, when in the 1930s that area was part of the Category:British Mandate of Palestine, part of the British Empire? Since the airport was named for Ben Gurion after his death in 1973, is this categorization misleading? Am I being too concrete? Too hard-headed? (User:Geagea, an Admin, disagrees with me.) Thanks, Krok6kola Krok6kola (talk) 22:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: it's really tricky, especially in a case like this where the names are so loaded with reference to ethnic and national identities (have a look through en:Talk:Gdańsk/Archive index if you want to see it carried to an extreme. Discussion of the name of the article exceeds the length of the article).
We certainly end up with things like Category:1870 in Washington (state) because no one is really invested in distinguishing Washington Territory from Washington State (or, in the case of Category:1845 in Washington (state), the part of Oregon Territory that later became Washington Territory). Similarly for a category like Category:644 in Spain. Spain? in 644? Oh, well.
I'd say the category name Category:Ben Gurion International Airport in the 1930s is probably OK, but it needs parent categories that relate to the political geography of the time (looks like it has that in Category:Aviation in the British Mandate of Palestine, and it certainly ought to have a description indicating what it was known as in that era. - Jmabel ! talk 00:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Did Ben Gurion airport exist then? Did it exist under that same name?
The answers to this are pretty obvious: it existed, but as Lydda Airfield and later as Lod Airport. So IMHO, it should be named and categorized as Lydda when that is the contemporary name. These can all be sub-categories of Ben Gurion, as the contemporary name. There is no rule (as is regularly claimed) that category names for subcategories have to match the parent, or each other!
I have no strong opinions on Lydda airfield, airport or even RAF Lydda. It was an airfield. That much is definition-based, we are reasonable to choose to use it as a description and name. As a shared RAF and civilian airfield, it was typical to distinguish this by use: a civilian would describe landing at the airfield, and the military establishment hosted there would be RAF Lydda. Many contemporary maps for pilots already describe it as an airport, which implies a sense of international traffic and the customs facilities to support that – which Lydda did have. In its post–1948 era as Lod this was clearly as Lod Airport, so that should be used for that 25 year period too (and "Airport" is now clear).
More eyes could also be useful at Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/02/Category:Ypenburg Airfield, which involves a massive and half-done bulk rename of airfields in the Netherlands. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
@Krok6kola and Andy Dingley: to be honest, I'd have no problem with that either. Maybe Category:Lydda Airfield and Category:Lod Field as subcats of Category:Ben Gurion International Airport, with their own subcats for the various by-year or by-decade categories? But do take a look at the way (for example) Category:1870 in Washington (state) handles this with template {{Washington Territory}} (which I added). I suspect a template like that may be in order no matter what solution is adopted. - Jmabel ! talk 15:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Jmabel, thanks for your rational reply. I am staying out of this now. Too much vehemence. And with an Admin being unwilling to have a dialogue, it is a useless. My edits having nothing to do with the airport were reverted also, so I am staying away from the whole topic. Krok6kola (talk) 16:58, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

i am very sorry so i decided to give you a kitten wikilove

--BoulevardBowl27 (talk) 18:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

About yesterday...

Hi Jmabel, today I have seen that the user to whom it was reported yesterday insists on the issue (despite the fact that I said that I would let the matter rest), but as you can see, today he has threatened to denounce me as far as possible, which could be translated as a Wikihounding threat. I am not going to reverse the message and I am only limiting myself to informing about the possible consequences of what this user will do, taking advantage of your position in good faith and avoiding any problematic user. Taichi (talk) 21:45, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jmabel. By allusions, I must say that this user has provoked me by repeatedly whitewashing my discussion without any dealings with him here until I lost my temper, just because he has followed me from Wikipedia in Spanish (wikihounding, maybe?). It is not the first time he has requested my global block, already in Meta had tried, but failed then too, who knows why. Otherwise, it is false that he said that he "would let the matter rest", as he claims in your discussion, but that he took it to the extreme of his possibilities, as you could see. For my part, however everything remains here, just for information. Saludos. — Drachentöter78 (talk) 02:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Recent DR's of mine ...

Can you also take a look at my related DR's? I suspect that some of these are speedy as copyvio, but took them to DR, in case there were other considerations. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:01, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

IAR

While I don't fully oppose your removal of the speedy delete tag, I wanted to point out that the speedy delete criteria at G4 state "The author or uploader may ask the deleting administrator to restore the file, or file an Undeletion Request." These were not done in this case; the material was simply re-created and expanded. I will follow-up with other deletion discussion methods. ɱ (talk) 16:38, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Category:People by age by country

What are your thoughts on the way the categories regarding age groups are modeled?

My suggestion would be moving Centenarians from the United States (included in Old people of the United States), Babies of the United States‎ (included in Children of the United States) and Children of the United States‎ (included in Young people of the United States) out of the main category to make it a bit more simple

Thoughts? Trade (talk) 02:10, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

  • @Trade: Man, do I hate these categories. They're so incommensurate. I mean, sure Kirk Douglas lived to be 100, but putting Category:Kirk Douglas in Category:Centenarians from the United States? As if he'd never been young? Weirder yet, Category:Savita Ng under Category:Children of the United States: is she supposed to stop growing up? At least no one is (currently) categorized for their whole life under Category:Babies of the United States.
  • Do note that, in general, the "centenarians" category appears to be used differently from the others: the others are generally about the person at the time the picture was take, whereas "centenarians" is just about them living that long. But independently of that: I think it's a wreck. I can see a reason to distinguish babies and children, because they are so different from adults as photographic subjects, but young vs. middle-aged vs. old? Do we really want to categorize a picture of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Maxwell Frost acting in their current capacity as a member of congress as a picture of a "young person", Kevin McCarthy or Ted Lieu as "middle-aged", Patty Murray or Chuy Garcia as "old"? It just seems to me to be objectifying, uninformative, and ultimately kind of dismissive. - Jmabel ! talk 04:20, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
    Aren't all categories of humans based on age or appearance by their very nature objectifying? Trade (talk) 12:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
    • @Trade: And I tend to dislike nearly all of those categories, for just that reason. As I say, I have no objection to categorizing babies and children as such, because they are significantly different photographic subjects, but I find it absurd that a picture of me at this point would be described as an "old man", which tends to suggest decrepitude. I see little or no use for these distinctions in terms of the supposedly educational purpose of Commons. It might be useful for purposes of stock photography, but that is not why Commons exists. As a photographer, categories like this make me hesitate to contribute photographs of people to Commons. Example: four years ago, I had the chance to take a bunch of photos of Steve Perry of the band Journey. I don't think it would be doing anyone a service to slap Category:Old men or any of its subcats on those photos, and it would make me uncomfortable about having indirectly been party to that. [FWIW, I took the photos, uploaded them, no one has added that category, and I hope it stays that way.] - Jmabel ! talk 14:42, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata

Hello. Hope you don't mind, but I'm curious how to Category:Isabella of Castile, Duchess of York and her Wikidata Q434485? Cladeal832 (talk) 20:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks. With some more sleep I would probably have left it alone. –LPfi (talk) 10:23, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, Jmabel

This is what I mean by "harassment". Another user writes to me, with whom I have never had a relationship (but friend of Taichi, I suppose), I think, maybe to keep provoking me, and denounces me. This is the daily life in the Spanish Wikipedia. Un saludo. — Drachentöter78 (talk) 13:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Does not sound like fun. But there is really nothing to accomplish by complaining to me as an individual, and not mentioning who is harrassing you. If you have complaints, you really should take them to the relevant admin noticeboard. And you can certainly request that someone not email you in the future, after which you have a clear ground of complaint if they do so. - Jmabel ! talk 15:46, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Okay, thank you, Jmabel. Actually, they have not written to me by private mail. They just come one after the other to write to me and then to denounce me, it seems. I wouldn't know exactly what to report, I would just like to put it on record. They are like that, acting in packs. — Drachentöter78 (talk) 18:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
@Drachentöter78: To "put it on record" you really ought to go to the Administrators' noticeboard, not my user talk page. - Jmabel ! talk 18:40, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
But what exactly could I denounce, against whom? A generalized way of acting of another project? Some friends there, I suppose, who from time to time write to me and denounce me? — Drachentöter78 (talk) 18:46, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
I don't know what to say, other than that it is not particularly useful to say all of this to me as an individual. - Jmabel ! talk 18:48, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Agreed. And sorry for the inconvenience. — Drachentöter78 (talk) 18:54, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Mer information

"Mer information" is Swedish for "more information" and I believe Knoppson is Swedish-speaking. But either should be easy to understand for them, and it is of course a bit confusing to mix languages like that. Thanks for the vigilance. –LPfi (talk) 10:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Comment

I think your girlfriend has your number. Krok6kola (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Category:Nileshpatelxyz

Hi, on 4 April 2023 you reverted a page move to Category:Nileshpatelxyz, see Commons:Help desk/Archive/2023/04#Reverting a category rename. The category has been created again, and is empty. I think this category should be deleted: can you do this, or should I raise a deletion request in the normal way? Thanks, Verbcatcher (talk) 14:08, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Schooner Equator at the Library of Congress

@Jmabel fyi, https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/wa0888/ has a little history detail and apparently two undigitized photos of the 'Equator' in the LOC collection. I found that Port of Everett document and article interesting. -- Ooligan (talk) 06:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ooligan: looks like the main PDF there is already in the External Links of the en-Wikipedia article. - Jmabel ! talk 14:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry.

If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!
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Affected:

And also:

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Flag ratio (again)

After settling the issue with the British flag ratio, a user has chosen to try to edit war to ensure their preferred ratio is redirected to by the redirect "File:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg". Ignoring all discussion and refusing to themselves discuss, they appealled to an administrator who, ignoring consensus, has redirected the redirect and fully protected the page. Could you reverse this to accord with consensus as it stands? GPinkerton (talk) 10:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@GPinkerton: As a party who has already expressed an opinion, I am probably not the one who should do this. @Ezarate: , are you following Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg and the prior discussions that led to tat? So far, there is absolutely no consensus here. I really don't want this to turn into an edit war among admins, but I don't think what you did there is appropriate. The relevant "status quo" when an admin protects a page in an edit war, as did User:Mdaniels5757, is the status quo they protect. There is always going to be someone who thinks it's "the wrong version." I see no reason to favor the version that happened to prevail a few months ago, when the whole reason for the redirect was widespread feeling that this title was wrong for that flag.
In any case, I will make a post at the Village pump to try to get more attention to the deletion request. - Jmabel ! talk 14:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
The status quo is the edition prior to edit war therefore without edition of none of the two editors. Regards!! Ezarateesteban 11:02, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
@Ezarate: That would be the status quo ante. Status quo means "the way things are". Status quo ante means the way things were before. I'm unaware of any policy/guideline about returning to the status quo ante, but I'm very open to seeing that there is one. - Jmabel ! talk 14:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Privacy of editors who are minors

I am not sure if having minors uploading their full name, location and image onto Wikimedia Commons is a good idea. What does policy say about this? Trade (talk) 15:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

  • @Trade: if it's already out there on Twitter (and more searchable there, because it is text rather than an image) I can't see it making much difference. - Jmabel ! talk 16:55, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Per WP:CHILDPROTECT. Wikipedia considers minorship to end at 15.5 years relative to there birth Stanislov Patrick 473 (talk) 12:27, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Last remark presumably nonsense, by quickly-banned vandal. - Jmabel ! talk 14:41, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

RandomUserGuy1738

User:RandomUserGuy1738 uploaded File:Please Tag (29079149990).jpg that has been previously deleted thrice already. You have warned him in March 2023. Is it necessary to block him for re-creating previously deleted content despite warnings? A1Cafel (talk) 04:12, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

  • @A1Cafel: its a different account that did it the other three times & I don't think it's a sock. Probably an innocent copying of the same file from Flickr. I'll just delete it. - Jmabel ! talk 04:25, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

More post-1922 tango audio files

Hello, per this deletion request you just closed, there are a few files this applies to that weren't tagged in the original request: File:El día que me quieras.ogg, File:Carlos Gardel-El dia que me quieras (1935).ogg, and, if the Spanish Wikipedia article about the composer and this site are to be believed, File:Soledad-Tango.ogg (apparently from 1934). I imagine these should be deleted as well. I found out about this situation because I monitor the old sound file lists on Wikipedia, and of course CommonsDelinker has been having fun with your recent deletions. Graham87 (talk) 02:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  • @Graham87: feel more than free to nominate them for deletion (probably as a small "mass" nomination, rather than separately) and to reference the recently closed discussion. Since they weren't discussed there, leaving no one a chance to comment on any reason they might be different, they need their own DR. Not that I think there is any chance they are different, just a matter of process. - Jmabel ! talk 02:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Unsigned

I just added an unsigned template and incorporated date from the diff for your missed signature at Commons:Deletion requests/Audio files of tango music published after 1922. We should have some good closing apps that automatically add signatures like this reply tool that I am using. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Question

Did I get that correct? You blocked User:Tm for reseting one of Tm's own uploads that was overwritten with a 'uncontroversial better' version by user:FMSky (that was later uploaded under a new name) after you resetted an 'uncontroversial better' version that FMSky uploaded over one of your uploaded files (instead of uploading it under a new name)? [This is a yes/no question, not about any rule, that may have been applied or broken or anything else. I am curious, nothing else.] C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm) (talk) 07:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@C.Suthorn: No. I have no idea what may have happened in terms of any overwrites, but I blocked TM for edit warring about categories, where he was repeatedly putting highly specific categories on third-party photos (he may have uploaded some of these, I didn't check, but he was not the photographer) claiming this was based on expertise that TM claimed no one else here was competent to judge, and others were reverting to more general categories that did not require any specialized knowledge. Not sure how you (or anyone) thinks the FMSky thing from half a year ago is related, or even how anyone ran across it in this context, but do not consider that a better version, and if you read Commons:Overwriting existing files you will see that the very fact that the uploader/photographer contests and overwrite is sufficient for it to qualify as controversial.
Question: where did you get the idea that my block of Tm had anything to do with Tm restoring Tm's own version of a photo? I don't remember anything like that even coming up. It might have arisen tangentially in with the half dozen or so examples User:Mztourist and others provided about edit warring, but I don't recall it at all, and if it did I wonder what drew your attention to it. - Jmabel ! talk 15:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
User:C.Suthorn please provide a diff of what you are referring to. My original complaint and Jmabel's block of Tm was solely related to his/her edit-warring of weapons categories. It had nothing to do with overwriting files. Mztourist (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer (i.e. "No"). I was not aware about a dispute WRT categories. Many edits by Tm appear in my watchlist, the categories in question do not appear on my watchlist, therefore this created the impression I had and that i asked about. If I had not asked I would still have this impression, that I do now now was not the real situation. C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm) (talk) 08:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Why oh why?

Why is there Category:Pictographs in the United States by state, but pictographs in the rest of the world, of which there are far more, not allowed but must go under e.g. Category:Rock art in Haiti? (I can't even remember the category correctly, even though I just dealt with it!) Except for a few countries, the rest of the world is basically ignored. This category system is horrible. Krok6kola (talk) 23:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Presumably because the category system grows "organically". It looks like Category:Pictographs in New Mexico dates back to 2010, Category:Rock paintings goes back to 2012, and the bridging in between happened over time. Category:Petroglyphs in New Mexico also goes back to 2010. I'm not sure I understand the difference between pictographs and petroglyph (though there may well be one), and how (if at all) each differs from "rock paintings" in general (though it is clear that there are many forms of "rock art" that are not "rock paintings"). It might be worth a CfD or other discussion to try to get this clear, or someone could look into whether the respective Wikipedia articles clarify this.
Krok6kola, feel free to ping people into the discussion right here if you can see in the various category histories who looks like they might best help sort this out. My gut says that all rock paintings, or at least all pre-modern rock paintings, are "petroglyphs"; not sure what distinguishes a "pictograph"; and I would not call (for example) modern graffiti on a rock a "petroglyph", though it is presumably still a "rock painting". - Jmabel ! talk 23:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict):Just hunted the correct category down and corrected above. Who makes these decisions? It is done away with by a redirect, although Category:Petroglyphs by country does exist. (And don't tell me "Categories for discussion" because nothing ever gets settled there.) Krok6kola (talk) 00:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

File:Massacred - Israel kills scores of Palestinians. (42119227062).jpg

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Trade (talk) 12:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Geo Swan

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:70_year_old_post_stamp_of_Lesvos.jpg (there's other examples, but I don't think I should have to provide them just for you to do a simple thing like asking him to back off)

I don't want to relitigate the ANU complaint, but Geo Swan is still contacting me and making false accusations about my behavior in random places. It's fine if you don't think it's harassment for someone to repeatedly contact and disparage another user over multiple weeks on end. That said, the whole thing is causing me needless stress and anxiety, which I would think is more important then whatever Geo Swan is doing fitting someone cooker cutter, textbook definition of the word "harassment." I could ultimately care less if the guy is blocked or not. I just want him to leave me alone and I think that's a reasonable request considering how many weeks it's been happening, the amount of talks pages he's contacted me on, and the disparaging nature of the messages he's writing about me. Maybe I haven't acted 100% perfect myself, but I'm not the one continuing it. He is, repeatedly after I stopped contacting him. Regardless though, us communicating with each other clearly isn't productive anyway whomever said what, when, or under what circumstances.

I guess I could take it up with trust and safety since it's causing me a lot of unwanted anxiety, but I don't feel like I should have to just because it's not officially harassment or whatever. Not that I want a two way communications ban either since I'm sure we will end up the same discussion at some point. Just a little nudge at him to lay off and stop disparaging me. I think that's a pretty reasonable request considering how long it's been going on for and the fact that he's clearly unwilling to just shove off and go find another user to pester. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 15:50, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@Adamant1: Your tone is at least as harsh as his, if not harsher. If you want to complain about others' conduct, you might do well to improve your own. What I will say to Geo Swan, if you want me to communicate it, is that he should try to keep his comments on anything that is supposed to be about content to the question at hand, not his opinion of others' qualifications. But don't expect him never to go there. I think we all end up crossing that line at times. - Jmabel ! talk 17:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
That's why I said I haven't acted great myself either. But the fact is he's the one who instigates things. I don't. If you can tell him to try to keep it about the content and the question at hand, cool. That's really all I want and I'm not going to fault him if he makes a mistake at it once in a while. Just as long he doesn't do it repeatedly or in a way that's obviously intentional. I'll try to tone my responses to. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:53, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, A1Cafel (talk) 04:50, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

c - Jmabel ! talk 14:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Need urgent help

Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Please temporarily block Svetlov Artem. Thanks. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 00:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 01:47, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Old goose pic

Hi Jmabel - I can only say that in thumbnail, File:Greater White Fronted Geese in South Park pond, ca. 1890 - DPLA - ed99c4a1b626ff35d4dd9fd6e008cd8e.jpg looked more like a photo published as an illustration in an old book, than an actual old photo. But it's a good thing this got queried, as when I look at the file full size, they're domesticated geese, not Whitefronts at all! Easily told by the heavy Greylag Goose-size bills, and fat rear ends with the tail sticking up typical of domesticated geese. Quite a common error, unfortunately. So I'll rename, and recategorise again... - MPF (talk) 15:07, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

  • @MPF: Good on you for working out more about the photo (and I'll let the library know their description is wrong).
  • Unless I'm very mistaken, "illustration" in a category shouldn't mean "this photo was used as an illustration in a book", it means "this was drawn by an illustrator, not photographed." - Jmabel ! talk 15:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! No, an illustration is anything (including photos) used to illustrate something (book, magazine, etc.). You can see this on for example every file uploaded from the Internet Archive, which carries the wording "Click here to view book online to see this illustration in context in a browseable online version of this book." [my emphasis], even when the file is a photo published in an old book. It certainly makes much better categorisation sense, as it brings similar origin images together in the same categories, rather than mixing them up with modern photos. Hope this helps! - MPF (talk) 15:20, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
@MPF: of course I'm aware the word has that broader meaning, but I don't believe that is how they've been generally used in categories. We should probably take this to the VP, because we are two long-time users and at least one of us is wrong about an issue of pretty broad application. Feel free to be the one who posts there (but please try to keep the post pretty neutral): I am about to be offline for a few hours. - Jmabel ! talk 15:24, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
It's certainly how I've been using it for a good ten years or more, and probably on many thousands of files! One or two people have occasionally queried my doing so on an occasional file, but it's been very rare that's happened. Another good reason for doing so is the imbalance in numbers of files; there might be 200 modern photos, and 10 each of art illustrations, and photo illustrations. Leaving the latter in the main category of modern photos, they look very out-of-place among the modern photos, yet there's usually not enough for it to be worth making a separate [Category:Historical photos of xxxx]. But putting them in the illustrations subcategory, they look well 'at home'. - MPF (talk) 15:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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