User talk:Fabriziodg91

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A kitten for you!

Looks you needed some cheer. Here's some cheer! I hope that you like cute kittens. Please feel better.

Michaeldsuarez (talk) 22:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Reply to Michaeldsuarez

Thank you dear Michaeldsuarez for your cheer,i've really appreciated your sweet and cute message,thank you so much! I hope to can have you as my first friend here. A cute kitten at you too :) Fabriziodg91 (talk) 22:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks. Having friends is nice. Give the people here a reason to appreciate your work and your participation, and I sure that you'll make plenty of more friends. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 22:15, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes,thanks,i hope to can make a good number of friendships,i'm a sociable man and i really like to make friendships.Surely,your friendship is more special for me,because you're the first one to believe in me and also talked with me in that cute way.Wikipedia and Commons need thousand of persons like you.Fabriziodg91 (talk) 22:18, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't deserve so much praise. I've upset a lot of people online, particularly at Wikimedia. I'm banned from the English Wikipedia, and I'm extremely unpopular here at Commons. I'm expecting the English ArbCom to reject my next appeal. I'm here because I saw that you were having a difficult time today, and because I saw that your talk page didn't contain a single message of praise at the time. I wanted to fix that. So many user talk pages are either empty or filled with standardized warnings and deletion notices, and I feel that every talk page, especially those belonging to those who often engage in arguments, needs at least one light-hearted message of hope and praise. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 22:33, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Goodluck for your appeal!I hope that you can have a better experience on wikimedia and wikipedia,you seem to be a polite and friendly man,just convert these good words into good actions (your message at me is a good action),and surely you will be more popular in Commons. Fabriziodg91 (talk) 14:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Be careful, advice on dispute resolution

May I pet the kitten? Ah, it's purring! Now, to my business here.

You have filed 2 reports on AN, continuing a dispute with a user there. Permanent links:[1], and, after the first was closed, [2]. You were responding to a filing by the other user: [3].

The other editor, like it or not, is an experienced user here. In my quick, unresearched view, he was uncivil with you, and his filing an AN report without adequate attempt to resolve the matter with you, or warning you on your user talk page, was a problem in itself, but that's his problem, and it is not terribly uncommon.

What I'm pointing out to you is that your editing on AN/U could easily lead to a block. You don't know how to do it. So I have this suggestion:

First of all, carefully read meatball:DefendEachOther. Take it to heart. This is the reality on wikis: when you defend yourself, often you lose balance, you won't be objective, you will not be effective, and you will look bad.

Instead, if you are having trouble, get help. Start first with the user where you have a problem. Ask him for help! And listen. This very act can disarm dispute.

If you are not satisfied, then identify an experienced user who might intervene. This involves one other person, not the entire administrative community, which will be irritated by the two of you, and you are more likely to be blocked because you are less experienced and don't "fit in." Just the reality.

Usually, admins would want you to be warned first. Is this a warning? Maybe. I would hope that before you are blocked, an administrator would warn you, but my suggestion is that you avoid causing it to come to that point. (Because those requests are still open, it might come to that. I'd suggest you withdraw the second request. Strike your comments there, using <s> ... </s> , and add a note that you are withdrawing the request. It's up to you, of course.)

Ideally, find a user whom the other editor might respect. But if you can't find one, any experienced editor may be willing to help you, and if they run into a brick wall, then they can file at AN/U. This is far more likely to be effective. However, if an experienced user intervenes, it is much more likely that the other user will cooperate.

I am making no assumptions about right and wrong. Be patient, and good luck. --Abd (talk) 14:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Dear Abd,thank you for your message.I started the second report on AN because before i've tried to solve the situation with the user,sending him a message on his official talkpage,but he haven't replied,just deleted my message.So how was i able to fix that problem with him,if he deleted my message on his talkpage?I needed to create a new AN report.-Fabriziodg91 (talk) 15:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

This is long, because I researched this matter, and thought about it. I know that English is probably not your first language, so take your time and ask questions if you don't understand.

Reread my suggestion. I know what you did. I told you what you could do to "fix the problem," in two stages. The first might fail -- but I don't think you seriously tried it --, but then there is the second. Now, your response has the same punctuation problem that was pointed out on AN/U, no spaces after punctuation marks, which makes it much harder to read. (And I'd bet it would have the same effect in other languages.) Please learn and be more careful. You may think that punctuation and spelling are not important, and some of us will read past the problems, but it creates an impression. You tried alone. And you didn't know what you were doing.

Understand this: if you cannot find anyone to help you, you will probably be blocked if you try to handle it yourself. I see this all the time.

This edit is okay, except for the punctuation; also, you do not need to explain yourself. It's a slippery slope, it can often make things worse, because then the other user, who also wants to be right and not wrong, may explain himself, and then you can argue about the explanations, and on and on. Notice that the other user responded to my intervention, immediately, so I can now predict with high confidence that the file will be kept. I set that up, Fabrizio. I expected it from him. I gave him an opportunity to do the right thing, and he took it. I did point out his incivility, and he elected to not respond to that. Good choice. Better: an apology, but I don't see he does apologies; on the other hand, I have not researched his history. Maybe he was having a bad day.

You could complain that he wrote "poor." Don't! It's just his opinion, and would not be a cause for deletion unless the file were useless. It's over. Let it be over. Maybe the file can be improved.

Many people don't know how to do this, but I'll suggest it anyway. Drop the idea that he was wrong! Why? Because that idea will do nothing but get you in trouble, it would then color every interaction that you might have with him in the future.

One more comment: notice on the 2nd AN/U report that other users point out problems with the other user. You don't need to defend yourself, like you imagine. It just makes things worse.

Ah, I noticed something else: [4]. That could get you blocked on en.wikipedia. Very bad idea. Commons editing is irrelevant to Wikipedia, problems with editing of images on Commons are not to be reported there. Ah, I see that you were blocked. And then the other editor engaged with you there. And there are two files here, File:Flag of Nova Scotia (1868-1929).png sourced to Jaime Ole as author, which you incorrectly overwrote (what you placed was not from Jaume Ole), and you were engaging in a dispute over "truth," which is a problem on Commons. (There are ways to handle this, what you did is not one of them.) The source given, [5], currently says that the image was "erroneously reported." So where did [File:Flag of Nova Scotia (1868 - 1929).png]] come from? Who is the author?

The Wikipedia article is unsourced. It asserts that the flag displayed is the "The former flag of Nova Scotia (1868-1929)," but there is no source for that, and the image source claims it is erroneous.

Instead of correcting what may be an error on en.wikipedia, you attempted to fix it here, thus changing what is displayed on many wikis, based on alleged "truth." You did not discuss this on en.wikipedia, where you filed your vandalism complaint. In fact, you were vandalizing, if we are to use that word. But the reality is that you had a point. You asserted it with great lack of skill, and, no surprise, you point was ignored, because you did not point to the reality, you only claimed you were right. That's useless. Sources!

Your source for [File:Flag of Nova Scotia (1868 - 1929).png]] is Wikipedia, and you attributed it to DrRandomFactor. So, then, this was a transfer from Wikipedia. That is not a source (Wikipedia is never a source for itself.)

I did find this: [6], a history of the "flag of Nova Scotia." It's complicated. I'd suggest you read that page very carefully, and come back with your conclusions. The flag given on en.wiki is also copied on many wikis, and it looks like what is there is indeed an error. You may need advice as to how to approach this, because you have set yourself up to be relatively powerless, but not understanding how the wiki works, which is not surprising, given your low experience.

I cannot help you on en.wiki, not directly, because I'm banned there. Good luck. --Abd (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Dear Abd, again thank you for your time with me. Sorry for the punctuation problems, i hope that since this my reply at you i can solve it. Going to your suggestion to ask help to someone more expert than me, in cases of troubles, i would like to ask you officially if i could count on you. In case of an your positive reply, if i will need help in future i will try to contact you on your personal talkpage. Thank you again in advance. About the second AN/U, i would like to ask you what do you think about my further replies, i tried to follow your suggestions, and i've tried to be more civil, friendly and polite. I also tried to propose a solution, in my last message. I see from your message that the flag of nova scotia have some errors, so i think that, because my actual poor skills, is better if i stop the editing with that flag, leaving this "work" to some user more expert than me in this matter. But however, i would ask at you for an advice. Do you think that could be a good idea to request the renaming of my .svg file with a better name, for can solve this situation about that the source claims it as an erroneous image? A new name, for example "Erroneous Red ensign of Nova Scotia (1868-1929).svg" for can clear the situation, at the least for my upload. I could also include the source, under "Summary->Source", for can show that really this flag is claimed by the source as erroneous. Fabriziodg91 (talk) 16:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict with above) You may ask me for advice and possibly assistance. You may edit, but I suggest a different way that you did. If you find what appears to be a problem, ask about it. If you get a satisfactory answer, fine. If not, keep looking for assistance. Now, your basic error here, and it was pointed out in the AN/U filing. You did not show sources and provide links. Instead you claimed you were right and he was wrong. It almost never works. Few, if any, will do the research I just did. You need to lead them by the nose, if you know something. It takes too much time. If you are upset about being called an "idiot" or something, you will not be smart. Smart people do not get upset when called an "idiot." They just smile. It is not that you are specially stupid, it is that you are reactive. Anyone who is reacting as you reacted gets stupid! Me, too. Anyone.

See File talk:Flag of Nova Scotia (1868 - 1929).png and File talk:Red ensign of Nova Scotia (1868-1929).svg for some moves. With the red ensign file, there are questions for you to answer. Just answer them! No story, no explanation, just fact, and links if relevant. --Abd (talk) 17:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

And now we can get into the subtleties of Wikipedia. That original source is not necessarily a reliable source. The book probably is, if independently published. I don't know about that, for sure, I haven't researched it. Remember this: Wikipedia is not about "truth" (a common error) but what is verifiable. Read w:WP:V and w:WP:RS. In fact, study them. What is accepted as reliable is a matter of the consensus of editors. It is a judgment, not a fact, though the judgments may be based on facts. This is why it is so important to be carefully civil. Most users will not interact with you if they consider you uncivil or disruptive. --Abd (talk) 17:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I've replied to both the talk page that you said me, i hope to have cleared your doubts over them. Fabriziodg91 (talk) 18:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC)