User talk:Enhancing999/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Incomplete category moves

Hi. You have made a number of category moves recently (for example, Category:Hafner-Strasse to Category:Hafnerstrasse (Zürich), but have not completed the task by moving the contents of the old category to the new category, as advised by the category move confirmation page. This leaves the category structure broken. I've moved the contents for Hafnerstrasse, because I got notified as the creator of the old category, but it would be good if you could do the same for any other categories you have moved. The cat-a-lot tool makes this a fairly simple task to undertake. -- Chris j wood (talk) 12:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I moved that as it uses the older spelling of the name and to add the city. Usually I leave it to the bot to take care after while, as it's mostly categories that haven't been edited in weeks. Enhancing999 (talk) 13:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Zu den Löschanträgen...

Ich nehme mal an, dass du hier neu bist! Worum geht es denn, bei den Löschanträgen, wenn ich dich fragen darf? Viele Grüße, Ahmet Düz (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

"Found empty" = leer vorgefunden. Generally, we don't create or keep empty categories around. Enhancing999 (talk) 08:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Ahso, tut mir leid! Weil ich aktuell so vieles um die Ohren habe, kam ich leider noch nicht dazu, die Fotos hochzuladen! Verzeihe mir bitte! Viele Grüße, Ahmet Düz (talk) 10:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Also it's unclear if these would have fit into the existing categories. It might be easier to just use the other categories. Generally, it's not that important at what occasion a photo was taken that shows a building. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Neustadtgasse (Tübingen)

Hi Enhancing, yesterday you renamed that category. Would it make sense to rename the subcategories as well? Windharp (talk) 10:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Probably yes. WD has a few items for buildings in a street with that name in Winterthur. I'm currently focused on streets, but if you feel like it, please do. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

New categories

Please move the files of the old categories to the new ones you created. Else, the files will be hidden in a redirect category. I have done it sometimes for you in the recent past, but I will likely miss some of the new categories you create. With hot cat it's pretty easy. You can select all files and move all with one edit. Happy editing Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I noticed, thanks for your checks and having moved the files. There is a bot that would have moved them after a short cool-down period. In the meantime, the files could still be found in a temporary subcategory. I think the bot action is slightly delayed so other editors have time to double-check and to avoid changes back-and-forth on the files. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah ok, then let's hope the bot works properly again soon. And on the 4010 meter mountains in Switzerland category, there are only two 4010 mountains in Switzerland and about 50 over 4000. In my opinion a category per 100 meters would be enough to start with.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

The bot works quite well. As for mountains, steps of 10 m is actually a good way to handle this type of information (one metre or decimetre would be too precise IMO). I added them as some users seem to like it and I don't want to annoy them with questions no architect would think of. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the note to admins ...

Thanks for the note to admins, sometimes when we are busy just doing admininstrivia, we can miss users of good standing who have strayed from the preferred means. Some people like to operate in their space and do the less glamorous tidy up, and we do let them do their thing, as long as it aligns with community practice and expectations. You are right to point out that a person was moving away from community norms and imposing their own version. It was a nice polite prod.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

please more careful when categorising

First of all, let me thank you for your big efforts in categorising images, especially mountains, and for creating missing mountain categories. In some cases, though, I have the impression that "speed kills" - there have been a number of categories where a common name refers to very different peaks. In most cases, just looking at the existing categories or even existing coordinates, and comparing that with a map reveals that the peak displayed cannot be the one in the new category. Particularly with quite "unspecial" names like (recently) "Cima Rossa" ("Red Peak"), it should be obvious that chances are that there may be many different peaks that bear that name. In the (recent) case of "Schinberg", it should be obvious that a forest-covered 700m foreland hill probably is not the same as a rough rocky peak in the Bernese Alps. Or that the glacier- and ice-covered Mont Brûlé cannot be the same as the meadow-covered 2500m peak of the same name, even if they are situated in the same mountain chain.

Let me point out another concern: I doubt that it is useful if we add the category of a peak that only shows up in a vast mountain panorama at the far distance with a size of few pixels. This is not representative for that peak, even if there are only a few other images that display this peak better.

I'm sorry if my impression is wrong, but I'm worried that you are more or less automatically categorising images as soon as the same name occurs somewhere in the text or annotations, but not spending much thought on the question whether it's right or useful to do so.

And yes, I'm perfectly aware that all this work requires much time and effort - I myself have spent hundreds or even a few thousands of hours on this work here. And there is still loads of work to be done, as many beautiful photographs have been labelled or categorised quite poorly (especially if bulk-imported from large data bases like panoramio). But categorising properly in the first place won't afford further time of other users afterwards. If you are uncertain in one or the other case (or in how to work with wikidata), feel free to ask, and I'm certainly trying to help if my spare time allows it.

By the way: do you know Bergbildrätsel? It is great fun, and there are still thousands of unidentified peaks all over the world, also in the Alps (e.g. in Switzerland, there are currently 147 completely unidentified mountain photographs). We won't run out of work in the next 10 years ;-) --Kuhni74 (talk) 13:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

You are right about "Cima Rossa", I was hesitant and should revisited that in more detail. To fix the issue, I think the category should be moved to a more specific name and categories for the other cime created as well. Otherwise, pictures might end up in the category again. I attempt to create categories for all (CH) mountains with images. There are about 200 to do based on Wikidata, the ones with articles in German should be done.

I do rely on annotations on images, so if you would crop an image and leave the annotations in them, it can end up wrong. I'm not sure if I agree with you about exclusion of images where also other mountains are shown. "Remote views of" can be a good subcategory for these. Ideally we would have tool to highlight the mountain on all images in a category. Maybe something to come. If you are interested, I can share my bookmarklets to create categories and search for images. Thanks for your feedback. Enhancing999 (talk) 13:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your understanding. Yes, in fact it would be wise to create specific categories with brackets in advance for rather unspecific peak names, which is, on the other hand, a really big load of work. After all, (too) many wikidata objects have been created automatically by an automatic tool on ceb.wikipedia.org (based on e.g. Geonames, which is often very inaccurate). In many cases, the wikidata names and descriptions are not really significant or confusing. Also in Austria (where I'm based), much effort has been put into repairing this chaos (particularly by User:Herzi Pinki). You are planning a really big job if you try to create categories for all CH mountains on wikidata, and I agree that it's helpful to start with those that have a WP:de lemma. As I focus on Austria, I try not to put too much effort into working in CH or other Alpine countries (I have done quite some work in places I somehow got in special relation to), but as I said, I'm happy to help with special questions.

I guess you know the beautiful tool https://www.udeuschle.de/panoramas/makepanoramas.htm? This is really helpful for identifying peaks, but as well, it leaves some responsibility on the user and shouldn't prevent us from thinking carefully what we are doing.

As for the exclusion of "tiny" peaks in panoramas: I didn't want to express that they should never be categorised (and yes, the "remote views of" category type can be useful), but it should be done with care too. E.g. Piz Murtaröl is so tiny in File:Cima Viola - In vetta!.jpg or File:Novai Vereinatal LBS R1-764803.jpg that I doubt it will help anybody figure out how this peak looks like.

I do see the problem with annotated and / or categorised images that are cropped later. Yet, I have never automatically cropped images here, and I think that it's basically the "cropper's" responsibility to check whether the annotated and categorised peaks are still visible. I have corrected problems of this kind now or then if I stumbled over them, but not systematically. Probably also much work left here...

By the way, we could also discuss in German if you like it, but as I read above, you generally prefer English here, which I respect, of course. And it enables people of other languages to contribute here too. --Kuhni74 (talk) 14:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Paradise descriptions

Please be more careful in categorizing. If you are reverted, why double down? Show me the Gerbergasse here. And the Leonhardsberg as well please. Both are not depicted on the image, yet you claim they are. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Did you see the revert note and annotations on the image? It seems you add and remove categories, but forget to fix the descriptions. Can I count on you to do so going forward? Enhancing999 (talk) 10:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

  Gerbergasse is still not there. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

  I repeat, be more careful while categorizing, (specially streets in Basel). I am getting really worried with your mountains categories, which I can not double check as good those in Basel. Several of the files you transferred to Steinenvorstadt are not from the Steinenvorstadt.

  The street-sign for Petersgraben is even given on the file you moved to Steinenvorstadt. The other file you moved is near Claraplatz. If I revert you, you edit war, why? Please remove the wrong category (and if you want, add the correct one), if not, next time I report you. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  I don't find your contributions particularly helpful either, but this isn't really relevant. You seem to disagree with other contributors about these images, but don't bother reading editing summaries or descriptions and "notify" users about some disagreement of yours. Maybe you just want to leave it? If you require uploaders to add the streetname in filenames, you will need to fix that too, not just the description and category once you want to change it. Enhancing999 (talk) 04:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  I am sorry to read that you don't find my edits helpful, which ones for example? Neither in this nor in any other discussion I have requested to add the street name in the filename and in my opinion that's seldomly helpful. I contacted you because you reverted my correction last time and I do not want to edit war. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Official abbreviation for the canton in Switzerland ( AG, AR, AI, BS, BL, BE, FR ... ZG, ZH )

Hello Enhancing 999

I saw that you renamed/moved some categories I created. For example Category:Fünfländerblick SG. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that in Switzerland, place names that exist multiple times are given the canton abbreviation (official abbreviation for the canton). This is not put in brackets. Comparisons: Wald AR, Wald BE, Wald ZH etc.

Best regards Schofför (talk) 17:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I changed it as the above is a categorized as mountain and I'm not aware of another that has such an abbreviation. Maybe the place shouldn't be categorized as a mountain?

It's something that is mainly done in German Wikipedia for cities and even there it's not ideal. I doubt they use it for mountains. Enhancing999 (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Cats verschieben

Hallo Enhancing999, danke fürs aufräumen bei den kirchen und verschieben der cats auf die besseren namen. ich bin durch die Wartungsliste von Wurgl in de.wp darauf gestoßen de:Benutzer:Wurgl/Interwiki_Rotlinks und pass es in den Listen an. also kein problem :-) Ich finde es nutzerfreundlicher, wenn der commonslinks nicht erst auf dem weiterleitungslink landet sondern auf die richtige cat kommt, deshalb hab ihc das hier de:Liste der Kulturgüter in Domat/Ems angepasst.

aber eine bitte, kannst du die Bilder aus der alten cat in die neue verschieben? ich nutze dafür "hotcat". kennst du das tool?

ach so vielen Dank für deinen Dank zum Fix mit den koordinaten bei der übergabe der werte von wp nach commons. Aber da gehört das lob und der dank @Herzi Pinki: . ich hab da wie immer nur zugeschaut.  :-) viele grüße Z ^thomas 06:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

quatsch... ich nutze für das massenverschieben "Cat-a-lot" Z ^thomas 06:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot/de Z ^thomas 06:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

ich hab grad in anderen Fällen gesehen, dass du das normalerweise machst und natürlich cat-a-lot kennst :-) Z ^thomas 06:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Danke für die Hinweise. Persönlich nutze ich die verschiedenen Bots um die Files/Subcats zu verschieben. Aus Sicherheitsgründen sehen diese aber eine Wartefrist vor, bis die Aufträge ausgeführt werden oder die Files verschoben werden. Cat-a-lot ist übrigens seit einer Weile teilweise defekt. Es ist aber nützlich wenn die Files schon in der falschen Kategorie gelandet sind.

Was die Sache auf dewiki betrifft, dies scheint mir eine Frage der dortigen Vorlagen zu sein. Vielleicht kann Dir jemand bei enwiki helfen, dort scheint dies meist nicht notwendig. Wikimedia hatte vor einiger Zeit ein Projekt gegründet um Links zwischen den Sites zentral zu pflegen. Dies geschieht dort mehr oder weniger automatisch. Enhancing999 (talk) 06:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, was geht denn bei cat-a-lot nicht. ich hab damit keine probleme.

ich bin den zwischenschritt über die Weiterleitung gern los, weil die schnell weggelöscht oder vielleicht geändert sein kann

übrigens. ich hab grad bei vielen Züricher Plätzen, die commonscat P373 geändert, weil die nach der verschiebung nicht automatisch angepasst wurde bsp: Category:Zehntenhausplatz. Viele Grüße Z ^thomas 12:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

vgl. MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-Cat-a-lot.js#Cat-a-lot_failing_202402 und weitere unten auf der Seite. Zum anderen vgl. User_talk:Mike_Peel/Archive_19#Update_after_category_rename Enhancing999 (talk) 11:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Rue de la Borde

Thank you for renaming. PLEASE move the content of the category after renaming. (I did it). MHM (talk) 09:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I usually leave it to the bot. It takes a short while, but is more reliable than Cat-a-lot.

BTW would you mind if I add "(Lausanne)" to all other streets in that town? I noticed you created some or possibly all of them. Enhancing999 (talk) 09:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Well. I didn't know bots were doing this job for us. Regarding Lausanne streets, I don't mind. Note that some have "(Ouchy)" as extension. In Geneva (my town) it is quite systematic. I'm not sure it is relevant to add the name of the town in all cases (categories should provide), although I like this precision while browsing. MHM (talk) 16:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I moved them. It will take a few days for the bot to complete. The names are more stable and predictable with it. Maybe I should do the few "(Ouchy)"-ones too. For Geneva, there are a few left without or with a different format. If you want I can move them too. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)