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Structured Commons newsletter, December 13, 2017

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15:26, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy holidays! 2018! ;)

* Happy Holidays 2018, El Grafo! *
  • Merry Christmas! Happy New Year!
  • Joyeux Noël ! Bonne année!
  • Frohes Weihnachten! Frohes Neues Jahr!
  • Счастливого Рождества! С Новым годом!
  • ¡Feliz Navidad y próspero año nuevo!
  • Щасливого Різдва! З Новим роком!

-- George Chernilevsky talk 18:25, 25 December 2017 (UTC)   

Change is the way of life. Challenge is the aim of life. This New Year take up the challenge to bring about great changes into your life. Happy New Year.

. --The Photographer 14:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

16:19, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Comments Good quality. --Jacek Halicki 10:36, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

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20:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

21:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

22:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

19:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Why do you removed Category:Raspberry Pi from Raspbian category?

--Jasc PL (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Jasc PL: See COM:OVERCAT: Category:Raspbian is a sub-category of Category:Raspberry Pi operating systems, which itself is a sub-category of Category:Raspberry Pi. Thus, Category:Raspbian is still a sub-sub-category of Category:Raspberry Pi. Does that help? --El Grafo (talk) 15:21, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@El Grafo: - That's right - theoretically, but not in every situations. COM:OVERCAT is also the general but not absolute rule, and in this specific event double categorization like that I used in Category:Raspberry Pi is fully reasonable. I hope you know, why?
If exist any other way to put Raspbian category under Raspberry Pi operating systems AND DIRECT UNDER Raspberry Pi - no problem - I'am open for every proposals --Jasc PL (talk) 15:53, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@Jasc PL: To be honest: No, I don't know why. Care to explain? --El Grafo (talk) 15:57, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@El Grafo: First of all - you removed my work without any word of explanation - are you sure that all is OK?
Since a week I'am working on whole group of categories and pages concerning Raspberry Pi, so I probably know what I do and what for it is. Maybe you can do the rest of work?
So, I undo your removal and ask one of admins - hi will decide. --Jasc PL (talk) 16:35, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@Jasc PL: Changing categories without further explanation is indeed perfectly normal here – HotCat doesn't even let you make a comment. I've been working on Commons categorization for a couple of years now, so I also "probably know what I'm doing". Of course I may be wrong, that's why I asked for an explanation (which you still haven't provided). But maybe we should indeed ask for other opinions. No need to waste an admin's time though, it's not part of their job to decide these kind of things. Asking for input at COM:VP would be the normal way to do this. --El Grafo (talk) 16:57, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@El Grafo: . Understood. OK, maybe you are right with proposal of place to discuss this matter. I know that you have a goodly amount of knowledge and experience on how everything works here. I'am a some newbie, but I work (in Wikipedia and Wikidata also) only with (technical) themes I know, understand and have enough experience. You are not answered my question - is any other way to have Category:Raspbian in both places? If so, we don't need any further discuss. However, as you see, Category:Raspberry Pi and the rest is and will be for some time "Under Construction" now, finally I want to have all work ready, complete and properly. So, below is the text (and also explanation for you) I started to write:
"...I'am working no Category:Raspberry Pi (and all groups of concerning categories and pages). In that main category I put Category:Raspbian AND in subCategory:Raspberry Pi operating systems. Why? Because Raspbian is one among compatible operating systems (I will add the rest), but it's also the MAIN, most popular and only one "official" OS for Raspberry Pi - so I'am sure that it should be visible direct in Category:Raspberry Pi and people should easy find or see it, regardless of they known correct name of it or not." --Jasc PL (talk) 17:39, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@Jasc PL: Alright, I see your point now. First of all, if you were to create a separate Category:Raspberry Pi Foundation as a parent category for Category:Raspberry Pi, Category:Raspbian should certainly be a direct sub-category of Category:Raspberry Pi Foundation.
One way to make Category:Raspbian visible from Category:Raspberry Pi without it being a direct sub-category could be to add it to the category's description. Currently, that only consists of a link to the relevant Wikipedia article, so it could benefit from a bit more information anyway. Something like "Raspberry Pi is a series of small single-board computers developed by the Raspberry Pi Foundation, running Raspbian or other Linux-based operating systems", maybe?
Another option could be to add something like {{For2|screenshots of the default user interface|Category:Raspbian}} to the top of the category page.
Cheers, --El Grafo (talk) 14:23, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi @El Grafo: , thanks for your answer. I need some time to analyze and fully understand both your alternative proposals. The rest... nein, nein, nein! :) - Category:Raspberry Pi was, and must remain as MAIN (hub) category for all others. Most of category tree under it need modifications, an example: Category:Taken with Raspberry Pi OV5647 have any sense direct under main - I move it somewhere, but later. Category:Raspberry Pi Foundation - I'll create it, or not, later - with, probably, some subcategories concerning of various Raspberry Pi Foundation activities - it depends...
Now, I have an open discuss with the Pi Foundation and shortly I should know what will be available for as - under cc-by-sa and how big it is. Then I decide how to divide and categorize this new content, where should be some descriptions etc. Finally I will try to translate it into Polish and ask you for German too.
All descriptions of RPi in Wikidata also needs modifications; I switched to Commons for one moment only, just for some pictures and logos illustrating items I edited in WD. Finally, I'am sitting here since a week. Greetings, --Jasc PL (talk) 17:11, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
@Jasc PL: Well, looks like you've got a plan, so I won't stand in your way. BTW: If you want more input on the development of the category tree, it might be a good idea to start a COM:CfD for the main category. While the main purpose of CfD is discussing how single categories should be names or whether a category should be kept or deleted, it is also frequently used for discussions about how to structure categories. Discussions there can be a bit slow as there are not too many people engaging there, but it's probably the best place for getting in touch with the categorization experts. As for myself, unfortunately my time for on-wiki work is very limited these days, so I try to stay away from larger projects I won't be able to finish anyway and just do some minor maintenance work here and there. I'll try to keep an eye on this, but I can't make any promises right now. I'd be happy to provide some German translations if needed, though. Greetings, --El Grafo (talk) 09:20, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
@El Grafo: , soon I will put our discuss here in my discuss archive for having by hand all your technical proposals. Probably you will receive 9 or more mass messages, maybe also by mail. Don't be angry - I don't know yet how to switch them off, use of :re was a bad idea. So, feel free to remove all from here, if you want. Greetings --Jasc PL (talk) 14:55, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Hey @El Grafo: , I'm back :). Let me ask one simple question: I'v changed German label of "Raspberry Pi Foundation" to "Raspberry Pi Stiftung", one user has reverted it with description "Entweder englisch Raspberry Pi Foundation oder deutsch Raspberry-Pi-Stiftung)". What is more correct? English names in German should be used in it's original name or with "-"?
BTW, you make a very interesting photos :). Have a nice weekend --Jasc PL (talk) 17:40, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

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