User talk:DenghiùComm/ Archiv 13 (2020)

* MANN : cambio scriteriato di categorie QUI

Category:Ancient_Roman_mosaics_in_Gaziantep_Museum

Ancient Roman mosaics in Gaziantep Museum has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Estopedist1 (talk) 07:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Doors vs Portals

Ciao, dato che è patrimonio della città che ben conosci ti chiedo: coesistono due categorie similari, Category:Doors in Naples e Category:Portals in Naples e mi sa che nella prima ci sono immagini e sottocategorie che dovrebbero stare nella seconda perché, IMO, un portale è soprattutto l'elemento architettonico che "circonda" e valorizza un accesso, che sia una porta di ingresso per persone o che lo sia per mezzi come carri e carrozze in antichità, di un edificio, mentre "door" è solo la porta, che può anche avere connotazioni storico-artistiche di pregio ma che non è un portale, insomma come se si mettessero nella categoria dei portali tutte le facciate di palazzi ville e chiese perché si vede un portale (e non si vedono anche le finestre allora? e i tetti?). Morale, quando vuoi e puoi passa a dare un'occhiata, grazie ;-) --Threecharlie (talk) 10:23, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Grazie Threecharlie per la segnalazione. Appena posso vedrò cosa posso fare. Attualmente sono piuttosto assente da Wp, Fb, ecc. Sono in pieno trasloco... Ciao ! --DenghiùComm (talk) 04:12, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Dato che si tratta della tua zona...

Ciao, prima di spostare chiedo, o magari sposti tu: a parte che Category:Complesso di Santa Maria di Materdei potrebbe forse essere meglio indicato come nome della categoria (è un convento? è un monastero? a chi è dedicato?) IMO sarebbe da cambiare la categorizzazione da church a buildings e semmai fare un lavoro di fino creando una sottocategoria solo per la chiesa, come ho fatto ad esempio con Category:Abbey of Sant'Angelo in Formis (Capua) (se è abbazia non è chiesa, vedi la crono). Anzi sono ancora più "Nazigrammar", quando vedo che ci sono categorie nominate come abbazia, monastero, convento, sposto sempre a buildings, anche quando è rimasta la sola chiesa abbaziale, perché sia mai che qualcuno esumi un'immagine storica dove si vedeva tutto il complesso, sia questo disegno, mappa, pittura o altro, e anche un po' per presunzione di "educare" a non fare di ogni erba un fascio. Concludendo, fai te, o dimmi a cosa sarebbe meglio spostassi. PS: sto trasferendo con fatica, nel senso che alle volte devo andare a caccia di dove sia la chiesa raffigurata, immagini orfane da locale a Commons, tra le quali File:Basilica di San Lorenzo Maggiore. (3713).JPG... non è che riesci a risalire il soggetto, l'autore, la data di realizzazione e la tecnica pittorica? :-) --Threecharlie (talk) 09:17, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Materdei è una zona di Napoli che conosco poco e niente, né ci vado mai. debbo prima informarmi. Ti faccio sapere. Un abbraccio,

Category reverts

Hi, you recently reverted a bunch of my category edits. Two things: first the Collegio degli Augustales at Herculaneum is definitely not a temple; it has a shrine in it, but so did every elite house in the Roman world. "House" admittedly is a little off for it, too, but it's much better than temple. Second an item shouldn't belong to a category and then a sub-category of that same category. So if "Lake Nemi in Art" is a category and "Nemi in art" is a subcategory, we should choose one, not both, for any given item. Thoughts? - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 11:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Eponymous-Archon: In the large exhibition on Herculaneum organized a few years ago at the Archaeological Museum of Naples, to which distinguished scholars have participated, the exact place of the discovery of the equestrian statues of M. Nonius Balbus remains doubtful. Therefore giving them the categories of both, the Basilica and the Forum of Herculaneum, is correct. As for the paintings of Lake Nemi if the village of Nemi is also shown, it is correct to assign both categories. A village is not a lake and a lake is not a village. They are two different subjects. What is debatable is that the village of Nemi is a subcat of Lake Nemi or that Lake Nemi is a subcat of the village of Nemi. Maybe we can delete both subcats and solve everything with "cat see also" at the top of the pages. Thank you. --DenghiùComm (talk) 07:08, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Category:Renaissance_art_of_Italy

Renaissance art of Italy has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Oursana (talk) 12:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Roma? nonono!

Ciao Tommaso, che piacere trovarti!!
Si, sono definitivamente a Milano - abbiamo anche venduto casa a Roma e giusto domani rogitiamo qui. Dove ero felice di essere approdata fino all'epidemia e ai relativi domiciliari - dal 7 marzo sono uscita da casa 4 volte x andare all'Esselunga (300mt da qui).. Non dico nemmeno + che passerà, xché ho capito che finita questa prima emergenza qui sarà tutto in salita e davvero niente sarà come prima e difficilmente sarà meglio. Vabbè, vedremo. Ma tu dove sei bloccato? a Napoli? Mi piacerebbe tanto che passassi da Milano! Quanto alla veduta aerea sono sicurissima che NON è Roma. E non riesco nemmeno a immaginare dove stia quel cupolone col campanile allampanato vicino, ma cmque tutti quei tetti a spioventi con tanti comignoli mi danno un'idea di città al nord: non c'è un solo tetto a terrazza, nè una facciata in travertino!. Fammiti sapere, intanto un grande abbraccio :)* --Lalupa (talk) 01:04, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Hai fatto bene, Tommaso, a sguinzagliare anche altri cercatori:) Ho appena visto comparire la foto sulla pagina Facebook di Wikipedia in italiano[1]. Per ora è stata accreditata a Milano, attribuendo la cupola a S. Carlo al Corso - e mi sa che è proprio così! E' impressionante il cambiamento avvenuto nella zona! Certo, qua i bombardamenti hanno spianato di tutto - e il resto l'ha fatto la speculazione edilizia locale, che non è da meno di tutta la speculazione edilizia del mondo... Vabbè, intanto t'aspetto qua. Baci & abbracci ! --Lalupa (talk) 22:07, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

from, of, in?

Ciao Denghiù. Non ho parlato italiano da molti anni, quindi parlerò inglese. Abbi pazienza con me, prego! I got your comment on Andy's talk page when I was asking about organizing the pottery category tree. Could you walk me through the fastest way to rename categories? In the arts, there are subcategories by country. Should these be:

Pottery from Italy Pottery in Italy or Pottery of Italy?

Which is the commonly used form?

Similarly: Earthenware from Italy Earthenware in Italy Earthenware of Italy or Italian Earthenware

I have no preference, except to be clear. To me, as an American speaking English, the form:

Pottery of Italy Earthenware of Italy

is the most comprehensive and straightforward, but--all these forms have been used in the categories I am looking at. Thank you for your time, dedication, and patience! I'm sure these questions are repetitive. Sicklemoon (talk) 17:23, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Sicklemoon: . I'm glad to clarify this. In Italy we have had an enormous production of works of art for 2700 years (Greek, Italic, Roman, Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, Neoclassical, etc.). Many of these works of art produced in Italy are now located in other countries. As the categories were created in Commons, we found a huge confusion regarding the works of art. To give an example, among "Paintings in Italy" there was paintings by Italian artists who were in Rome, Florence, Venice, but also Paris, London, New York. So more than 10 years ago a group of users decided to organize the whole category-tree of Italian art in this way: works of art made or found in Italy are categorized "in Italy". Works of art made or found in Italy but which are now in other countries, are categorized "from Italy". Works of art that we don't know exactly where they are today, are categorized "of Italy", waiting to clarify better if they are in Italy or outside Italy. The "of Italy" category is at the same time the mother-cat of the two sub-cats "in Italy" and "from Italy". This is how all categories of Italian art are organized, whether by place, by era, by object or by type of art (painting, sculpture, mosaic, ceramics, glass, metals, etc.). I hope that the system applied for the art of Italy has become clear to you. Best regards, DenghiùComm (talk) 20:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

RE:Provincia di Trento / Trentino

Ciao DenghiùComm, forse non ha ricevuto la notifica del ping. Ti ho risposto nella mia pagina di discussione. --Afnecors (talk) 07:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Poste Italiane e Post Of Italy e Post offices of Italy

Poste Italiane è una Società con una sua categoria, che appartiene alla categoria Post of Italy (a cui appartengono (o possono appartenere) anche altri operatori postali in Italia. Hai spostato molte immagini da Poste Italiane dell’operatore Poste Italiane a Post of Italy e a Post offices in Italy, ma mi sembra generico e non appropriato. --Carlo Dani (talk) 22:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carlo Dani: E' vero, oramai Poste Italiane non ha più il monopolio, e ci sono anche altri operatori. Ma se nella foto di un ufficio postale non è specificata questa cosa, essa va messa nella categoria generica degli uffici postali in Italia. Altrimenti è possibile creare una nuova categoria di uffici postali che non dipendono da Poste Italiane. --DenghiùComm (talk) 05:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@DenghiùComm: , ma dove altro dovrebbe essere specificato??? Gli uffici postali hanno l’insegna Poste Italiane. Penso che si dovrebbe riportare alla più corretta categorizzazione che avevo effettuato. --Carlo Dani (talk) 10:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@DenghiùComm: Direi che tu non possa che condividere, nel we ripristino la categorizzazione come l’avevo effettuata, a Poste Italiane. --Carlo Dani (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

File:Napoli 1943, liberazione.jpg

Ciao, DenghiùComm, secondo https://historycultureeducation.tumblr.com/post/188206080796/us-army-technician-alvin-harley-of-the-9th la foto non è stata scattata a Napoli nel '43, ma in Francia nel '45. La descrizione recita "U.S. Army technician Alvin Harley of the 9th Armored Division receives a kiss from a liberated little French girl on Saint Valentine’s Day. Abancourt, Oise, Picardy, France. 14 February 1945". Una ricerca veloce mi conferma che in effetti la 9° divisione corazzata combattè nelle Ardenne. Ho aggiunto la stessa nota sotto File information a https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Napoli_1943,_liberazione.jpg. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 94.36.105.174 (talk) 18:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Artaxerxes IV

Ciao amico, did you read summary in my edit? As I wrote, "Wikidata gives it automatically" so there's no need to insert "336 BC deaths". It's already inside. --Orijentolog (talk) 19:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah ok. I have not noticed. I'm sorry. Thank you. --DenghiùComm (talk) 20:32, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

No problem at all. I also noticed it several days ago, after 11 years of being active here on Commons. We always learn something new. :) --Orijentolog (talk) 08:16, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

File:Napoli, street dancers (1956).jpg

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Claude Truong-Ngoc (talk) 06:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Bernd Grimm

Hi, eine Frage. Warum hast du diese Kategorie entfernt? Category:Architectural models ? Es ist doch ein architektonisches Modell? Wäre dankbar für eine Info. LG, --Gyanda (talk) 21:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gyanda: Weil es beim File:Bernd Grimm Modell des Parthenon.jpg um eine überkategoriesierung geht. überkategoriesierungen müssen abgeschafft werden. Die Kategorie, die angegeben werden muss, ist immer die spezifischste. Die überkategorien sind überflüssig, also müssen sie abgebaut werden. Das beweist die korrekte Kategorien Folge oder Kette : "Models of Parthenon" ist eine unterkategorie (=subcat) von "Models of ancient Greek temples", subcat von "Models of ancient Greek buildings", subcat von "Models of ancient Greek architecture", subcat von "Architectural models of Greece", subcat von "Architectural models by country", subcat von "Architectural models". Alles klar ? Liebe Grüsse, DenghiùComm (talk) 12:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Ich bin voller Bewunderung, dass du das tatsächlich verstehen kannst! Ich bin schon froh, wenn ich überhaupt gut passende Kategorien finde, ich weiß nicht, ob ich das in Zukunft immer richtig machen kann, ich entschuldige mich jetzt schon vorab... manche Dinge gehen einfach nicht in meinen Kopf, Sprachen ja, aber Logik... *sigh*... Entschuldigung, bitte. LG, --Gyanda (talk) 13:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gyanda: Musst dich sicher nicht entschuldigen ! Wir mussten es auch verstehen und haben mehrere Fehler gemacht in der Vergangenheit. Wenn es dich trösten kann : es gibt gar nichts zu verstehen. Man muss es nur logisch wissen. Die Commons Struktur ist Baumartig, wie ein Stamm der sich mehr und mehr verastet, oder wie eine russische Puppe, ein grösseren Behälter, der immer kleinere Behälter enthält. Ein Beispiel : Du hast die Welt, in ihr hat es verschiedene Kontinente (subcat), in jedem Kontinent verschiedene Nationen, u.a. Deutschland (subcat), in Deutschland verschiedene Länder (subcat), in jedem Land verschiedene Kreise (subcat), in jedem Kreis verschiedene Gemeinden (subcat), usw. Bei unseren architektonischen Kategorien die Kategorie "Architecture" enthält verschiedene subcats, z. B. "Buildings" (=Gebäude) (subcat), und die bestehen aus Kirchen, Paläste, Häuser, Türme, Schlösser, usw (alles subcats), aber es gibt eben auch andere dinge die zur Architektur gehören aber keine Gebäude sind, z. B. Stadtmauern, Brücken, Monumente, Friedhöfe, Architektonische Elemente, Modelle, usw. die eben keine Gebäude sind aber einfach zur "Architectur" gehören. Weiss nicht ob es dir etwas klarer geworden ist. Frage mir was du wissen möchtest, ich beantworte dir gerne (was ich weiss). Alles Gute. DenghiùComm (talk) 15:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@DenghiùComm: Hi, DenghiùComm, den Teil versteh ich durchaus noch, aber wenn ich dann konkret Kategorien suche, dann finde ich es nicht mehr verstehbar, welche was ist... sie sehen von der Überschrift her alle gleichwertig aus, von daher... ich bin dann glücklich, wenn ich überhaupt passende finde in dem Wust von Kategorie-Möglichkeiten, dass ich nicht mehr versteh, welche Ober- und welche Unterkategorie ist...beim nächsten Foto, das ich hochlade, melde ich mich hier nochmal vorher und frage, ob das so stimmt, wie ich es plane, okay? :-). Merci, --Gyanda (talk) 18:45, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gyanda: Ja, es sieht kompliziert aus. Es ist es aber nicht, wenn man nur weiss wie es organisiert ist. Und das ist ganz einfach : in der mitte der Seite findest du Unterkategorien (subcats), dafür zu unterst findest du die Oberkategorien (in dem ist es eigentlich unlogisch... genau das gegenteil...). Ich kann dir nur raten, wenn du mal Zeit und Lust hast, einfach zu üben. Such dir eine Kategorie aus die du gut kennst oder die dich besonders interessiert oder am Herz liegt, und "wandere" in ihr herum wie in einem Park... zuerst in die Oberen Kategorien (die sich eben zu unterst befinden), immer weiter hinauf, schaust mal wohin sie dich führen... Dann wenn du in Europa gelandet bist, rennst den Unterkategorien nach (die sich eben in der mitte der Seite befinden) und schaust mal wo du landest. Sehr einfach, und auch lustig. Entdeckst allerlei... So bekommst du das Kategorie Gefühl dass dich dann nachhinein ganz automatisch herumführt, ohne Probleme. Versuchs mal ! Viel Freude. Stelle mich weiter zur Verfügung. Auch für deine nächsten Fotos. LG, DenghiùComm (talk) 21:07, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Aerpon4

Ciao. Let me explain, no problem. I found the image at [2], I searched it and it seemed to me that it was Ponticelli Sabino, if I'm wrong, please correct me! I swapped towns in Europe by towns in Italy to see if someone with more knowledge of the area would do something (as you have done, thanks).

And the reversal, let me explain too. I removed the category because it is a general view of a building, there is an oculi, but many other things, which, I think, there is no need to categorize because it does not contribute anything, it's just incidental. Un abbraccio. --Joanbanjo (talk) 17:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Joanbanjo. I thought that Ponticelli Sabino was a name of a man, this is the reason because i asked to you. But after i found that it was the name of a village in Italy and that it was correct, and so i delete my message to you. I am very grateful to you that you have identified the location of this image which was unknown since many years.

About the deleted "oculi" i disagree with your deletion of the category. "Oculi" is an architectural element, and in that pictures of palaces you can see how they are used and where they are employed. Thank you. Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 21:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)