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{{Editprotected}} Could you add Category:Categories by posture (flat list)? Category:Categories by posture was treated as a flat category. Now I am correcting this BartekChom (talk) 19:22, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply] 

|posture = posture

BartekChom (talk) 19:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 09:08, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. BartekChom (talk) 19:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mapping for "denomination"[edit]

{{Editprotected}} This template currently maps "denomination" to "name". Of the 116 categories that currently specify "denomination" in the metacat template, two are for currency and the rest refer to religious denomination. Those don't seem to be name-related. Could the template be changed to map to denomination instead (which would be a new mapping)? Category:Categories by denomination (flat list) already exists, so it wouldn't need to be created. If not denomination, then could it map to the default? FYI, there has been a little discussion about this at Commons:Village pump#Meta categories by denomination. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:21, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First: IMO a denomination IS a name. I can not understand the difference that make Auntof6. Second: to consider religions different groups of Christians is not correct. Religions are Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Induism, Hebraism.... Catholicism, Protestantism, or the different evangelical churches (Penthecostal, Baptism, Adventist, etc.) are not different religions, but different confessions. --DenghiùComm (talk) 19:51, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The word denomination can refer to a name. However, when you ask the denomination of a church, you're asking for its affiliation, not its name. The meta categories that specify "by denomination" aren't grouped by the names of the things in the topic. Take, for example, Category:Hotels by name and even Category:Men by name. Those aren't used the same way, but they at least refer to the names of things in the topic. Among the "by denomination" categories, the ones for churches mean something more like "by organization" or even "by belief". The ones for money mean something else altogether. Maybe those categories shouldn't be called "by denomination", but it's a common way to refer to those differences in the religious sense, and we do have Category:Christian denominations. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am unclear what is the proposed change. if there is consensus to change, can I get code snippet. --Jarekt (talk) 12:57, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Code snippet: change this line:
|name|common name|denomination|Latin name|alphabet|ship name = name
to this:
|name|common name|Latin name|alphabet|ship name = name
and add this line in alphabetical order, after the line for decade:
|denomination = denomination
I realize there isn't consensus at this point, but this is what I have in mind. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done --Jarekt (talk) 22:39, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it a title of a film the name of the film ? [1] --DenghiùComm (talk) 21:28, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the parameter in the {{Metacat}} template is supposed to be text that is used in the category name. That category is Category:Films of Italy by title, not Category:Films of Italy by name (although I think the latter would be a better name for it).
Furthermore, that category isn't even a meta category, because the entries in it aren't for films that have something in common; they are for individual films. Compare Category:Films of Italy by type, where each subcategory is for any and all films that share a type. Just having "by <something>" at the end of the category name doesn't make it a meta category. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:18, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I still do not understand your logic. What means "Furthermore, that category isn't even a meta category, because the entries in it aren't for films that have something in common; they are for individual films.". Then the category "People by name" is not a metacat because the entries in it have nothing in common? Second: metacats are important for maintenance, not a collection of categories with a magic name by something. In the past months I worked hard on metacats, and it was possible to remedy, correct, integrate hundreds of categories because I made order and consistency in all kinds of metacats. This is the reason because I consider all these ideological changes a damage for our system. First: to change a metacat in a catcat ; and second: because if a category has a not correct name, the correct way is to change it, not to remove his useful specific metacat. This is my opinion. Best regards. --DenghiùComm (talk) 05:24, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I believe that Category:People by name is not a metacat, because of the way it is used. Not every category with "by <something>" in its name is really set up as a metacat. Metacats are created to group media for multiple things that have some common characteristic. For example, we have categories for buildings, with a category structure that looks something like this (abbreviated, of course):
Category:Buildings
Category:Buildings by country
Category:Buildings in China
Category:Buildings in Vietnam
etc.
The main category was divided into "Buildings in <country>" categories, and then all of those "in <country>" categories were grouped into the "Buildings by country" metacat. Each lower-level category has entries for all the different buildings in its country.
With Category:People by name, you instead have something like this:
Category:People
Category:People by name
Category:John Adams
Category:Rowan Atkinson
etc.
In this case, each lower-level category is for one individual, not for everyone who shares the indicated name. When there are people who have the same name, there are separate subcategories. For example, the following categories all exist there:
Category:John Smith (Chancellor of the Exchequer)
Category:John Smith (Chippewa Indian)]
Category:John Smith (engraver)‎
Category:John Smith (uncle of Joseph Smith)
...not to mention all the John Smiths whose categories have middle names or initials. If Category:People by name were set up as a metacat, the subcategories would be things like "People named Mary Jones", "People named Jorge Gonzales", etc.
I think this comes up only with the "by name" categories (not the "by city", "by year", etc.) because in English we talk about referring to people "by name", meaning that we use their name, and that phrasing finds itself in our category names. I would be quite happy with your suggestion of renaming these categories. In fact, I just posted something at the Village pump suggesting something along those lines. I'd be interested in your comments there. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:48, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Previously Category:People by name was called Category:People by alphabet, but that was too confusing. It holds all categories sharing property instance of = human. --Jarekt (talk) 22:39, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for edits[edit]

{{Editprotected}} Two edits requested:

  • When this edit was done (thanks, User:Jarekt), the line 
    |name|common name|Latin name|alphabet|ship name = name
    was added instead of replacing the existing line for names. Please remove this old line: 
    |name|common name|denomination|Latin name|alphabet|ship name = name
  • Can we add a value of "quantity" to the line for number? The line would look like this: 
    |number|quantity = number
    I'm asking for this because we have 22 "by quantity" categories that I think fit under categories by number.

Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:21, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done --Jarekt (talk) 11:45, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for edit 2[edit]

{{Edit protected}} Could we add "country of location" to the list that translates to "country"? That would involved changing the following line: 

|country|country of destination|country of operation|country of origin|country of residence|country of service|country or territory|country subdivision|former country|host country|mission country|nationality|registration country = country

to this: 

|country|country of destination|country of location|country of operation|country of origin|country of residence|country of service|country or territory|country subdivision|former country|host country|mission country|nationality|registration country = country

There are at least a few dozen categories that would move into Category:Categories by country (flat list) if this change is made. I know, because I just changed their metacat parameters from "location" to "country of location". Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:49, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done --Jarekt (talk) 16:40, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request 2016-11-18[edit]

{{Edit protected}}

In Template:ByCat/sandbox I have made and tested the following changes to this template:

  • Alphabetize the items in each list in the few places where they weren't already that way (That will help people looking to see what is already there.)
  • Fix a typo ("sovereign")
  • Add the following items to the lists:
    • To the institution list: university or college, zoo, zoo name
    • To the material list: construction material
    • To the subject list: war (since "conflict" was already there)
    • To the year list: construction year, year of photography

Could the content of this template be replaced with what's in the sandbox? Thanks. In the meantime, I'll be over here laughing at the juxtaposition of "cat" and "sandbox" in the page name. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 08:01, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done --jdx Re: 20:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request 2017-02-15[edit]

{{Edit protected}} Please change this template's line for subject from this:

|subject|animal|conflict|content|field|interest|issue|military conflict|product|theme|topic|war = subject

to this:

|subject|animal|conflict|content|field|field of research|field of study|interest|issue|military conflict|product|theme|topic|war = subject

This change adds "field of research" and "field of study". Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:31, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Awesome! Thank you! jdx Re: 08:47, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request 2017-09-18[edit]

{{Edit protected}} Request to add:
|length|distance = length

--Cmuelle8 (talk) 17:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request 2018-01-28[edit]

{{Protectededit}} The value "country subdivision" is being translated to "country". This is not right because a country subdivision is only part of a country. Please translate it instead to "location". To do this, you can make the following two changes:

Change number 1: To remove "country subdivision" from the "country" line
Change this line: 

|country|country of destination|country of location|country of operation|country of origin|country of residence|country of service|country or territory|country subdivision|former country|host country|mission country|nationality|registration country | sovereign country = country

to this: 

|country|country of destination|country of location|country of operation|country of origin|country of residence|country of service|country or territory|former country|host country|mission country|nationality|registration country | sovereign country = country

Change number 2:: To add "country subdivision" to the "location" line
Change this line: 

|location|area|current location|island|location painted|port|production area|viewpoint = location

to this: 

|location|area|country subdivision|current location|island|location painted|port|production area|viewpoint = location

Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:57, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense ✓ Done Thank you! −ebrahimtalk 19:29, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request 2018-03-23[edit]

{{Editprotected}} Please adjust the recent edit to the institution list, so that "institution" stays at the beginning of the list and the other items follow in alphabetical order. In other words, like this: 

|institution|association|collection|college|conservatorium|diocese|educational institution|gallery|drama school|high school|music school|museum|religion|school|university|university or college|zoo|zoo name  = institution

Thanks. Pinging User:Blackcat, since they made the recent edit. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:38, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

yes, @Auntof6: , you right, I was distracted. -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 18:43, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed change for entry for "saint"[edit]

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This entry should be changed from this: 

|saint|christian saint|patron saint = saint

to this: 

|saint|Christian saint|patron saint = saint

This will capitalize the word Christian, which is the spelling that would be used if there were any categories that used it. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:47, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Jon Kolbert (talk) 22:08, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed change to entry for "order"[edit]

I propose breaking the entry for "order" into three separate entries. The current code is this: 

|order|position|role = order

I don't think grouping these together is working well. Position may sometimes make sense, but in practice there are a lot of categories for sportspeople by position they play on a team, which I don't think translates well to "order". As for "role", I don't see how that equates to order at all. Therefore, I propose separating this into separate lines as follows: 

|order = order
|position = position
|role = role

These should be placed alphabetically in the list. The following flat categories would need to be created:

Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:47, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

✓ DoneRonhjones  (Talk) 20:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ronhjones: Thanks!   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 20:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Request to add "competition" to entry for events[edit]

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Please add a parameter to the entry for events by changing this: 

|event|sport competition|sports competition|tournament|sports tournament|festival|music festival|contest|music contest = event

to this: 

|event|competition|contest|festival|music contest|music festival|sport competition|sports competition|sports tournament|tournament = event

Changes:

  • Add "competition"
  • Alphabetize entries

Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:40, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Awesome! Thank you! jdx Re: 00:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jdx: Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 02:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

categories by work[edit]

{{Edit request}} Please add the following: |film|creative work|work = work OmegaFallon (talk) 14:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, to keep the entries standardized, it should be like this, with the term "work" first and the others in alphabetical order:
|work|creative work|film = work
-- Auntof6 (talk) 20:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done. Jonesey95 (talk) 15:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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