Template talk:Authority control/2016

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MusicBrainz parameter MIA

Please add MusicBrainz as an authority control parameter. Thank you. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 12:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

NARA

The ARC identifier has been renamed to "NAID" (National Archives Identifier). I updated and renamed the subtemplate Template:Authority control/NAID, but could someone update this template with the new identifier and template name? Thanks! Dominic (talk) 20:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

✓ Done Dominic. Long time no see. --Jarekt (talk) 04:51, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Two VIAF number for one person

What should we do if a person have two VIAF numbers, two ISNI nunbers like it is in Nathan Marcus Adler case? -- Geagea (talk) 07:51, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@Geagea: Use the better one (the one with the most data in the VIAF record), but add both of them to the Wikidata item, so that it will be picked up by a constraint report, which is seen by VIAF, who will resolve it and redirect one to the other. Andy Mabbett (talk) 12:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Andy Mabbett, Thanks for your advice. BTW I did not receive the ping. -- Geagea (talk) 14:26, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Uruguayan Authority

There is a new Authority for Uruguay: autores.uy (Template:Authority control/autores.uy) -- Pablolaguna (talk) 03:35, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Pablolaguna: Is this in Wikidata? Andy Mabbett (talk) 12:17, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Yes, it is, and working very well. A bot is being develop to add the id to every uruguayan author who is in autores.uy. --Pablolaguna (talk) 11:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

National Library of Israel identifier

What about National Library of Israel identifier. P949 in Wikidata. -- Geagea (talk) 14:41, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

 Support --Jarekt (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 SupportTiberioclaudio99 (talk) 18:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

National Library of Spain

May I ask the use of BNE (National Library of Spain) ID: P950. It's extremely useful for the Spanish-speaking world, as it's possibly the most widely use authority control identifier in Spanish-speaking countries. Best regards --Discasto talk 10:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Discasto, We expect to hare access to wikidata turn on this month. This template will go through major rewrites as a result. We will likely not be adding any features beforehand. But once we are done and this feature is not there please leave message again. --Jarekt (talk) 17:02, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
OK, it does not seem as adding just a line of code (I'd take care of writing {{Authority control/BNE}}), but you're the one who rules. Thanks anyway --Discasto talk 20:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Discasto if you want to write it go ahead. Than add {{Edit protected}} to add it. --Jarekt (talk) 01:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Using data directly from Wikidata for this template

Per m:Tech/News/2016/17, Wikimedia Commons will have full access to any Wikidata pages starting from April 26. Is there any plans to deploy the new Lua module like the corresponding template on Wikipedias? Quenhitran (talk) 07:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

New version of the template

I rewrote the template using LUA and pulling data from Wikidata. I removed support for:

  • TYP - never used on Commons
  • BIBSYS - links no longer work. Not sure what to do with it
  • FotoBibl - another no longer working link
  • TSURL - wikipedia database before Wikidata

Also for the moment the template is not supporting KID parameter, which is not one of Wikidata properties. Once it is a property we can readd it. Plans for the future:

  • ID validation based on property: "format as a regular expression (P1793)"
  • Prioritizing identifiers based on user language and presence in VIAF set, so we can have an option of not showing some identifiers. That is to fix an issue that when we have couple dozen links, than chances are we do not need them all.
  • adding support to additional identifiers, like the ones discussed in above discussions. Those would be mostly Wikidata based only.
  • Merging of our identifiers with wikidata identifiers and replacing them with values from Wikidata

Please let me know if there are any issues. --Jarekt (talk) 15:13, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Actually I wonder if we really still need authority control. It serves two purpose:
a) uniquely identify a person
b) get additional information about him
For a) intermediating everything through Wikidata seems like the sensible way to go. For b) authority control usually give fairly limited information. When available, wikipedia article is usually the best link. When not, Wikidata has often as many relevant data as most authority databases, at worst, we can always access authority data from Wikidata, so just one more click away. The authority templates seems to be taking a lot of space for a fairly niche audience. --Zolo (talk) 16:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
At the moment the module serves as 2 purposes:
  1. compare Commons data to Wikidata - This task will allow us to remove all identifiers from AC templates and only keep Wikidata q-code. This process might take a while.
  2. display identifiers - I agree that this might not be necessary as all the data is "one click away" at wikidata; however I think it is worth showing. Although I do not think we should be showing all of them, especially not as part of Creator and Institution templates. As I mentioned above we can prioritize identifiers and only show top 5 or something. Identifiers with lower priority could be the ones with minimal information on the linked page, accessible through VIAF (if viaf ID is known). Another way would be to deselect them based on language: if my display language is Polish than I can put less priority on Spanish language Library and higher priority on Polish language one.

In the end I envision keeping all identifiers on wikidata and all AC templates only taking wikidata parameter and much fewer identifiers displayed. --Jarekt (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

@Jarekt: On some pages there is (now) an Lua error bad argument #1 to 'ucfirst' (string expected, got nil). For example Category:Saint Sebastian. I dont know whether this error was there always, or only after this update.--LacoR (talk) 06:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
It seems to be a problem with the languge - the LUA error is displayed only when using commons in specific languages like Slovak or Hungarian, in English it is OK. Also the first example on the template site gives in Slovak an error.--LacoR (talk) 06:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Fixed--Jarekt (talk) 19:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 Thank you.--LacoR (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Preparation for clean-up bot

As I said on Wikidata I'd like to help with the clean-up of redundant information which can now be fetched automatically using the new module. It would be great if somebody could implement a category similar to en:Category:Pages using authority control with parameters. Of course, Wikidata and bare are necessary parameters. They shouldn't be taken into consideration. Thank you in advance. I'll fill in the RfA in the next days. Warm regards, – T.seppelt (talk) 17:56, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

T.seppelt, Thank you for your offer. I created Category:Pages using authority control with parameters, although it is a category of more specific sub-categories. One unique aspect of Commons Authority Control is that although it is used on 2M pages most of them are added through templates to files: mostly Category:Creator templates and Category:Institution templates, but possibly other too. There are also Categories with authority control data some added directly and some through Creator/Institution template. I started with adding "Wikidata" parameter to some AC templates embedded in Creator/Institution templates, than the module compares the identifiers and they either all match (Category:Pages using authority control with parameters matching Wikidata) or they do not match (like Category:Pages with mismatching VIAF identifier), or the Wikidata parameter is missing (like Category:Wikidata with missing NLA identifier). There should not be a great many AC templates outside of Creator/Institution or Category namespace (that were not transcluded). Category:Pages using authority control without Wikidata‎ is the most problematic one: local parameters only and no wikidata q-code. There are two possible approaches to the cleanup and switch to wikidata based AC templates:
  1. 2 step approach: add "wikidata" parameter then look for OK, mismatch or missing categories and process those accordingly
  2. do everything in one step
Which one you are leaning towards? --Jarekt (talk) 02:36, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Translatation

How is ist possible to translate the both word authority control included the link in other languages, so that it appears in the correct language depending from userlanguage? --K@rl (talk) 07:05, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

The phrase "Authority control" is translated by adding or changing an label in the language in question to the item Q36524 on wikidata.--Snaevar (talk) 20:30, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Transition to Wikidata

We are slowly moving Authority control parameters to Wikidata and replacing them with just Wikidata q-code. To ease this process, the template is using color-coded identifiers. And in case someone wanders here is the key:

Help will be appreciated with resolving some of the "Mismatch pages in here --Jarekt (talk) 04:03, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

It does not shows the "WorldCat" see without the new option and after the new option added. -- Geagea (talk) 10:06, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
You are right. I just figure out what causes it. I will release the fix with the next version of the module. --Jarekt (talk) 16:42, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Is there any consensus on this (INHO) unnecessary internal vandalism? Where did the Commons community agree upon this? We shouldn't make us so dependent on Wikidata, a dabatase with absolutely no protection from external vandalism and with no working quality management whatsoever. --WolfD59 (talk) 10:29, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Switching to use Wikidata was something we were waiting for and planning for, for a while. In case of Authority Control and other metadata it allows us to be more reliable and consistent. Reliable because if we share Authority Control identifiers with all the wikipedias, Wikisources and other projects than there are more people using them and there is a higher chance someone will notice problems, like linking to wrong person, typos, stale links, etc. Also consistency, because by resolving inconsistencies in subcategories of Category:Authority control maintenance we make sure we are talking about the same person and that, lets say Library of Congress record we link to is the same one if you come from Wikipedia article or from Commons Creator page. As for external vandalism, it seems to me that again more eyeballs on an identifier assures that more people are watching and verifying. Judging by 2 or 3 reverts of my edits on Wikidata, of identifiers imported from Commons which were likely wrong I would say they have people watching edits to Wikidata. --Jarekt (talk) 11:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

ISNI

Sometimes I have the error like her. Don't know how to fix it. -- Geagea (talk) 07:10, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

I think that issue is fixed and you just need to purge. --Jarekt (talk) 00:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Now I know how to solve this. Thanks.-- Geagea (talk) 06:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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