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Certain rivers have been key in understanding the nature of advances, defensive lines, and breakthroughs in this war, including not only the Dnipro and w:Danube, but also the w:Inhulets, the w:Siverskyi Donets, the w:Oskil, and perhaps the w:Desna (river) and w:Southern Buh. And the w:North Crimean Canal is an important strategic objective. It would benefit the usefulness of the map to add more rivers to the base map. Another level of tributaries after the major ones could help too.
I've often thought about adding the Inhulets, and now I see I'm not alone! The Donets, Southern Buh, and Desna rivers are already on the map, though they are unlabeled. Adding the Inhulets and Oskil rivers as well as the Crimean Canal shouldn't be too hard, and if everyone else agrees I will add them. It also shouldn't be too hard to find open-source river data. Physeters✉21:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes and no. It is very close to the Kherson/Mykolaiv border, but it mostly runs in Kherson Oblast proper before entering Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. Physeters✉00:40, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Fantastic! Thank you for adding that so quickly. Sorry to tell you this, but the Aidar River to the east of the Oskil is likely to become important in the next day or two. Cheers. —MichaelZ. 2022-09-12 03:14 z03:14, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Donetsk was shelled several times since the start of the invasion. For example, Saky on Crimea is marked as bombed only because of one bombing. Can someone add bombed icon on Donetsk? Thanks. Berobalkan (talk) 12:44, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Can it be moved a bit down? According to the ISW map the current liberations are more towards the north and there's Ukrainian forces like right below Lyman. Dawsongfg (talk) 00:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes, but where do those maps come from? I mean, where are informations coming from? Do Ukrainians claim clashes in Marinka? Or just DPR? Whole thing is sus, though. Berobalkan (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
The ISW map and detailed map both use Russian, Ukrainian, and independent sources. The DeepState map mostly uses Ukrainian sources. Physeters✉18:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Unlike many other maps, the ISW does not have a color category for contested areas. Often, the only way to find out if the ISW believes a town is contested is by carefully reading their daily reports. Physeters✉08:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Why are some settlements (such as Lysychansk) written in Cyrillic, when all the other names are in Latin text? Fix it please, make them all the same. Hibernian (talk) 18:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
@Angelgreat: The file can only be updated by administrators right now because it is currently on the Hebrew Wikipedia's homepage he:wikipedia.org. I've already put in a request to change the image over there to a different file, but it has not been answered yet. Physeters✉15:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Look at the last ~10 edits to the file: the file hovers around 2.27 MB, but when DarkShadowTNT added a Dutch translation, it went down to 1.95 MB. Physeters' next edit brought it back to 2.27 MB, but now NikosLikomitros adding a Greek translation brought it down to 1.96 MB. Spot-checking an area of the map, the file looks unchanged before and after adding the translations, so why did adding them make the size go down by a third of a meg, or why do the other edits make it go up by that amount? -sche (talk) 01:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
The difference is newlines and spaces. When Inkscape writes the file, it puts each XML attribute on a new line and indented with spaces. When SVG Translate writes the file, it puts all the attributes on one line. There's probably little difference in the file transfer sizes because files are transferred in a compressed format that should do an excellent job of compressing sequential spaces. Glrx (talk) 07:28, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Maybe we can put a different line instead of dashed. Solid lines we'd need to change that aren't bordering Russian controlled. Dawsongfg (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Russia has just confirmed its alleged "withdrawal", while Ukraine claims to have liberated the city to the inner border of Luhansk oblast and surrounded the remaining soldiers. Lyman is Ukraine!
Euglenos sandara (talk) 18:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Labels
In the PC version of the map, there is a date missing in the label south of Borova, Kharkiv Oblast. Also, there is a label missing for 22 April, which marks entering of Russian forces in Donetsk oblast north of Oskil river. Can someone fix that? Berobalkan (talk) 10:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
On the other hand, in mobile version of the map, labels don't exist. Or fix them or remove on the Oc version of the map. Berobalkan (talk) 14:57, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I was viewing the Wikipedia's current events portal today when I saw the bullet point "Ukrainian forces advance more than 20km (12 miles) along the Dnieper towards Dudchany, Kherson Oblast, in what is being called a "major breakthrough" [Reuters]". I think this advance may already have been documented, but is it possible if the town of Dudchany could be added if it becomes a point of interest on the map soon? Thanks! Johnson524 (talk) 21:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Now that the official annexation of Kherson, Zaporizha, LNR, and DNR (which claims all of Donetsk but only controls a portion) has happened do we really need the original borders of the LNR and DNR in the map? Wouldn't it make more sense to show the claimed borders by Russia somehow? Maybe including the borders of the DNR contrasting with the borders of Dontesk since Russia never controlled close to all of Donetsk. Immanuelle 💗(please tag me)18:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Last I checked, Russia annexed the territory but has yet to define its borders. If they ever do define the borders, they could probably be added. Physeters✉18:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Whatever the current claim they still are the territory controlled before February 24, so I believe keepint it that way is better. Dokateoo (talk) 19:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Bakhmut
Reports suggest Russian forces are on the outskirts of Bakhmut for a while. I think making it contested is a good idea. Dokateoo (talk) 19:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
According to the ISW map, Russia controls the border checkpoint along the E105 in northern Kharkiv Oblast. It's a bit exaggerated because the tracing of the Russia/Ukraine border isn't that great on this map. Physeters✉17:46, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
The Unicode characters U+1F6C2 or U+1F6C3 (passport control and customs) would be reasonably conventional. U+1FAA7, U+1FAAA, or something like U+1F6A7 might work. Those might be a bit high-res. A plain cross mark, just an "X", would also make sense. HLHJ (talk) 01:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you again. Sitting at the intersection of road and border, it makes the situation quite clear to me, though obviously someone else's opinion would be better. While it's a bit small-scale as patterns go, it's hardly a major feature that needs to pop on a large-scale map, so I don't think that's a big deal. HLHJ (talk) 01:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Russians withdrew from entire northern Kherson front
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/66084
"According to the message from the place in the north of the Kherson region, the Ukrainian side occupied the villages of Davydov Brod, Malaya Aleksandrovka, Velyka Oleksandrivka, Novodmitrovka, Staroselye, Novonikolayevka, Chereshneve, Novovoskresenskoye, Mayske, Petropavlovka, Trifonovka, Novovasilevka, Chervonoye, Novogrigorovka, Novaya Kamenka, Pyatihatki, Sablukivka, Kachkarovka, etc." Dokateoo (talk) 18:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
The labels for troop advances since early September are in a serif font, whereas the rest are in a sans-serif font. I tried to fix this, but I’ve never edited SVGs and this one is so huge that my computer had a bad time, so if someone else could make the fonts consistent, that would be awesome. Toadspike (talk) 18:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
The intention was that all the dates would be marked with class="date" on the switch element and get their formatting from a CSS specification for that class. That results in the font-family being Calibri, sans-serif with a bold font weight. What that means is if your system does not have the Calibri font (most will not), then use a generic sans-serif font.
Inkscape, the tool used to edit the map, does not use CSS but rather just copies the formatting information that the CSS specified. That has worked out because most additions have specified the font fallback even though the resulting SVG is verbose.
More recently, the font-family has been just Calibri without the sans-serif fallback font. Systems that do not have the Calibri font will substitute some font. On Windows, for example, the Times New Roman serif font may be used.
The best fix would mark the switch elements with the date class and remove all other styling information from the subtree. I'll look at doing that this weekend.
The detailed map isn't very clear, so I can't see it. Russian forces are literally entering the city. Should it be contested? Berobalkan (talk) 07:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
(Ah, this may be the same issue you already described further up the page, although I spotted it because the date didn't display at all before your edits and now it displays but without its cartouche. Also, to clarify for anyone else, I mean it's south of Balakliia, since I see now there's more than one Ivanivka.) -sche (talk) 21:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
I came across it in the SVG source: it was a switch without English or default text; it would show in some other languages. I provided the default and English text (adding the 3 asterisks to make it easy to find) and address later.
I'm confused. On the detailed map it is shown as having mixes control. On the normal map, it is shown as liberated. What is right? Berobalkan (talk) 07:49, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Why not include an explosion symbol at the site of the Moskva sinking? It was a significant event in the war, as it was Russia's flagship in the Black Sea. While Russia said it was an "accident", most sources say it was sunk by Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles (either way, photos show it suffered one or more explosions) (see the Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Moskva).
Why are there bombing icons all over Ukraine? Those bombing on the west and central Ukraine don't make much sense and they make the viewer confused. Those bombings happened only in the first two-three days of the war. On the map should be bombing only in occupied and former occupied territories of Ukraine where clashes were reported, and cities which were bombed several times, for example Dnipro, Kryvi Rih or Odesa. That would make much more sense. Berobalkan (talk) 11:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
I agree with a removal of the bombings. Perhaps make another map for them, but completely pointless on this map presenting the ongoing operations Larrayal (talk) 20:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Keep Yes, the bombing markers are stale, but they show the extent of the initial attack, so I would leave them in. The map has other stale/non-current markings. If the bombardments are not kept, then I would not remove the symbols but merely edit the bomb symbol to have display="none". Glrx (talk) 17:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
I think someone desaturated / greyed out all bombings older than N days at one point, which [although they later got reverted] seems like a good compromise way to show the scope of the initial attack while also clarifying which ones are recent. Adding the dates of the bombings into the metadata (without necessarily displaying it on the map) would make such a thing maintainable and also be good for verifiability (making it easier to research that a bombing indeed occurred in that place, if you also know what date to be looking for coverage). -sche (talk) 03:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I made most of those maps, so I'm glad you like them! As for a map of recaptured territory for the whole country, there is no such map as far as I know. However, those territories are represented on this map by the small red dashed lines. Physeters✉21:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Yes, they're quite handy, thanks! But the dotted lines on this map are not visible when you reduce it enough to see the country as a whole. I was thinking of creating such a map, but didn't want to duplicate anyone's work. Plus there's the problem of keeping it up to date. Would there be a way to quickly generate a map like that from this one, so that it could be kept up to date but wouldn't absorb a lot of people's time? Kwamikagami (talk) 03:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
I don't think so. This map is already so fragile. The Oblast maps I've created can be put together like puzzle pieces to make one large map, but I've only made five of them. Otherwise, as far as I know, such a map would have to be made from scratch. Physeters✉05:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Could you add this small red dashed line to the legend? I was wondering what they were representing and didn't know until I read it here. Trapangle (talk) 07:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
ISW revised assessed depth of Ukrainian counteroffensives
This map still shows Ukraine as having advanced deep into the Shchasiyve area (well past Sukhyi Stavok), and into two prongs north of Kreminna, like the ISW's map showed about a week ago. However, for the past several days, the ISW has shaded the Shchasiyve area and the areas north of Kreminna as being under "claimed Russian control" and no longer "claimed Ukrainian counteroffensives" (perhaps the Russians counterattacked or perhaps the previously-marked Ukrainian presence was a mere thunder run or feint, it's not for me to speculate). Since the ISW made those changes, our map has been updated several times to revise the front line in the places where the ISW has shown Ukraine gaining ground, but not in those places where the ISW assessed that Ukraine lost (or never firmly regained) ground. Is that just an oversight, or what is our source for showing those areas (around Shchasiyve and the prongs north of Kreminna) as Ukrainian-controlled? (The LiveUA and Deepstate maps don't show them as Ukrainian-controlled, either.) Our map has still not been updated to show the recent, slow and slight Russian advance in the Bakhmut area, either. I don't want to have to figure out how to edit an SVG this big myself, so I'm hoping someone else will take care of this. :) -sche (talk) 22:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
@-sche The area around Bakhmut was just an oversight on my part. There was a previous discussion about "Claimed Russian Control over Ukrainian Territory" assessed by the ISW a few weeks ago which resulted in no clear consensus on how to show those areas. I chose to stop showing those areas as Russian controlled a few weeks ago because that seemed to be the plurality opinion in that discussion. We can revive the discussion if you like! I personally believe that the Russians do indeed control the areas just south of Sukhyi Stavok, but for consistencies sake, I have not changed it. I'm skeptical of Russia controlling the areas around Kremmina though. Physeters✉00:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Liberations in Kherson Oblast
Several liberations occured in Kherson Oblast today, including Davydiv Brid, Velyka Oleksandrivka and others... according to liveuamap.com Berobalkan (talk) 15:05, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
I think the bombing icon should be added. Aviidivka was shelled numerous times and yesterday it was hit by a missile and killed a least 7 people at the full market. Berobalkan (talk) 06:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Kerch Bridge
Many bridges are already shown on this map, and the wikipedia:Kerch Bridge is widely considered to be highly relevant to this conflict. Could it be added? Thanks to everyone who has worked on this map, I can see it's a lot of work. HLHJ (talk) 01:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
It should be contested. Ukrainians are literally in front of it. Also, in the map which shows the occupation of Lugansk it is showed as contested. Berobalkan (talk) 10:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Also, liveuamap states that occupation authorities started evacuation of medical and social facilities in Svatove and Kremmina. Berobalkan (talk) 07:05, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
I apologize for not seeing this earlier. At the moment, all the maps I follow, including LiveUA, show Kreminna as under Russian control. There have also been unconfirmed reports of a Russian counter counteroffensive that might have pushed the front back west towards the Zherebets River, away from Kreminna. There just aren't any reliable sources saying that fighting is INSIDE the limits of Kreminna. The Ukrainians are fighting for Kreminna, but they have not entered it yet. (Btw I will fix the Luhansk Occupation map, I've just been very busy recently) Physeters✉08:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
I've seen on the detailed map that in Huliaipole, Zaporizhzhia there is enemy pressure at once side. Why it isn't contested? Also, same thing is reported at Horlivka, Donetsk. We should add more cities. For example, same thing as in the cities above is Nesteryanka, Zaporizhzhia but the city isn't added. Also, contested is Hryanikivka, Kharkiv. Berobalkan (talk) 07:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Heavy enemy pressure means that while the defending side holds the entire city, the line of contact runs right up against the town, maybe less that a kilometer away. These cities are fully controlled by their defenders, so they are not contested. Kreminna and Bakhmut both fit this classification, but for whatever reason the detailed map has not been updated to show this. As for Hryanikivka, I'll add it in the next update. Physeters✉05:15, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Also, why is Oleksandrivka, Kherson Oblast contested? Ukrainian forces still control the entire city. With your logic you explained me now, Oleksandrivka still shouldn't be contested. Berobalkan (talk) 07:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Oleksandrivka is listed as contested since it is not clear who controls the town. LiveUA says Ukraine holds it, DeepState says that Russians control most of the town but there is fighting on the outskirts, and the ISW says there is fighting in the town. Physeters✉19:24, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Oh, also, I just realized that it is not Hryanikivka that is contested. It's actually Tavilzhanka, so I'll add that settlement instead. Physeters✉01:01, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Tavilzhanka was added on top of the Hryanikivka label, which makes it look like it's the latter rather than the former. Hryanikivka is actually listed as Ukrainian controlled on the detailed map. Physeters✉16:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Language used for dates
The dates related to the Snake Island are written in Russian though the map is in English. Could someone fix it please? Ur frnd (talk) 21:59, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
My guess is that every piece of text that is not duplicated here (https://svgtranslate.toolforge.org/File:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg) from "Default language" to "English" will be shown in another language on some users' devices (Russian in my case) because of the browser language preferences. The svgtranslate page is bugged for me and I cannot save changes using that tool, if someone could duplicate the values that are empty for English atm I think this would resolve the problem. Ur frnd (talk) 14:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
I have code that scans the file's dates, checks for date consistency across all languages, and notices a missing English clause.
I could make the code add dates for a subset of languages. Would that be a reasonable action?
"Ukrainian Advances" or "Ukrainian Counteroffensives"
Currently, the key of this map denotes the blue arrows as "Ukrainian Advances", however, @Barjimoa suggested that it should be relabeled as "Ukrainian Counteroffensives". I think this change makes sense, but I would like to get the opinions of others before I change it. Physeters✉00:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I can see that the distinction clarified a confused discussion above, but I think the map and map legend are clear without it. Neither "advance" nor "retreat" says anything about who has a right to hold the territory, just about who is moving in or out of an area at a given moment, which is what arrows on this sort of map generally show. As a counteroffensive that causes no territory change is possible (for instance, a bombing or cyberhacking campaign), and we use "counteroffensive" on-wiki for much larger-scale actions than those denoted by a single arrow, "counteroffensive" also seems less clear than "advance". Frankly I'd leave it as-is. HLHJ (talk) 02:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Well here's another issue about the arrows: It's probably better to make larger arrows represent larger groups advancing. Dawsongfg (talk) 23:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Light blue background for reconquered territory?
I asked above about a new map for this, but could it perhaps be integrated into this one? The BBC and other news outlets show something like this, and it makes it very easy to see what's going on with the map at a reduced size. Currently you have to zoom all the way in to see what Ukraine's retaken, and when you do that you can't see the whole map. Unlike the Russian conquests, which are visible at all scales. Doesn't quite seem fair! A light blue for all the currently yellow bits inside the dotted red lines would make this a much handier map IMO. Kwamikagami (talk) 00:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
In principle I like this idea, although it'd be helpful if someone could mock up some examples with various shades of blue so we could see how intelligibly they'd contrast (especially for colourblind users) with the blue of the arrows and the pink of the Russian control, and how visually noisy they'd make the map. (As for having to zoom in, people already have to zoom in quite far to read any of the placenames... I wonder if we could make those a bit bigger, as long as we're tweaking things...) -sche (talk) 03:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
White would be fine, and as you note perhaps more legible. I was thinking blue in parallel to the red for Russian control. I figured a little lighter than the light end of the blue arrows would be as visible as the red being a little lighter than the light end of the red arrows, but really, any color would work.
True, you wouldn't be able to read any place names, but you could still see big dots vs little dots. Rather like the rivers. And it doesn't take long to learn what the big dots are. Kwamikagami (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
@Аноным: Okay, in the file history is a test edit, where I changed the yellow to the color of the blue arrows, but at 20% opacity. The arrows are quite visible against that background, but it is hard to distinguish from the blue of the water. So yes, perhaps white would be better. Kwamikagami (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Who bombed whom
(Inspired by, but on a different note than, #Bombing.) Can we distinguish Russian bombings from Ukrainian ones? At present, bombings in Russian-held territory are ambiguous: for example, I think the icon by Berdiansk reflects Ukraine bombing Russians after they captured it, while the icon by Mariupol reflects Russians bombing Ukrainians there before capturing it, but without looking it up I'm not sure. An unobtrusive patch would be to turn the central black dot of the icons red (for bombings by Russia) or yellow or blue (for ones by Ukraine), but this would get lost when another icon covers it up, as with the airfield by Kherson. Maybe leave the red-flame-blast for bombings by Russia and use a blue-flame-coloured one for bombings by Ukraine? -sche (talk) 03:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
No-one ever takes responsibility for many bombings. It might be more practicable to colour them by who held the bombed territory at the time the bomb landed. HLHJ (talk) 01:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Yeah. In theory this would be nice to have, but with the lack of claims of responsibility for most of the bombings and the fact that there are so many bombs on the map which were added at all different times, it would be a nightmare to accurately change all the explosion symbols (specifically the ones on the frontline) to yellow and red ones. Johnson524 (talk) 14:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
If we could either grey out old bombings as discussed in #Bombingor colour bombings by who controlled the area at the time, it would help, IMO. People adding bombing icons could be requested to add (or someone else cleaning up their edit could add) an invisible note stating the date of the bombing, which would help with verifiability and maintenance. -sche (talk) 00:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Do you mean the Ukrainians have entered Luhansk? I'm in the process of adding that now. If you mean the Russians, I don't quite understand what you want. Physeters✉23:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Bombing and shelling are different, but for the sake of simplicity one symbol is fine. Bombing is dropping explosives from the air while shelling is a bombardment of much smaller explosives from on the ground. Physeters✉08:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Okay. That means that for example, in Sieverodonetsk was shelling? There is a little bit different symbol. Same is near New York. That means that is also shelling (when you use artillery)? Berobalkan (talk) 09:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Shelling is usually used as a catchall term, but in the strictest definition, it is the firing of shells, a very common type of artillery, at enemy-controlled positions. The symbols near New York and Sievierodonetsk represent the original bombings Russia performed on the first day of the invasion. I can add explosion symbols specifically for Sievierodonetsk and New York if you like. Physeters✉16:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
When you mean dot, I think you are talking about the red and yellow dots representing the towns. If you're confused about what the different lines mean, here's an explanation. The red dashed lines represent old frontlines, the brown lines represent major roads, and the black and white lines are railroad tracks. Physeters✉19:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
No, I mean that at the bombing symbols some have only a dot inside a blast, and some have a dot and a small line which kinda looks like a cannon. Berobalkan (talk) 08:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
AFAICT, the same bombing icon is used everywhere. The reason some places look different is because other map elements exist on a higher layer and so cover up some of the bombing icon, as at the Kherson airport where the airport's red plane symbol covers the bombing icon's central dot, Avdiivka where the red-and-yellow checkerboard "contested" icon covers it, and Sieverodonetsk where the black-and-white railroad runs across the bombing icon. -sche (talk) 00:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
According to liveuamap, explosions were reported in Dzhankoi, and not for the first time. Should the bombing icon be added?Berobalkan (talk) 12:43, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
It would be handy to add some of the oblasts which are nearest to Ukraine, such as Belgorod oblast. For example, liveuamap already added it so I thought it would be a good idea. Berobalkan (talk) 16:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Explosions on mostly electrical infrastructure were reported in Kovel in the past few days, according to liveuamap. Should the bombing icon be added? Berobalkan (talk) 17:48, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Sure, I'll add them later today. As for map updates, I last updated the map on the 21st, but changes have only been very minor recently. Physeters✉09:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Why Bakhmut isn't contested? According to liveuamap, the city is surrounded by two sides and heavy fighting is on the eastern outskirts of Bakhmut. If Bakhmut isn't contested, then why are Aviidivka or Soledar are? Berobalkan (talk) 17:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
I can't really change Bakhmut without the sources agreeing on its control. It's unclear what the ISW believes about Bakhmut, and the detailed map says it's Ukrainian. I'll start a discussion at the detailed map's talk page about control over Bakhmut, and I guess we'll have to wait and see how it goes. Physeters✉21:57, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Like Bakhmut, I can't change Avdiivka unless the sources agree with that change. According to the ISW, Russia controls a very small portion of southern Avdiivka, and I believe there is fighting in the town. Physeters✉05:25, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Bombing in general
As I've seen in the map, some bombings aren't marked quite precisely. Look at Lviv or Zaporizhzhia, or Oleksandriia, Kharkiv, Vinnytsia or Schastia... and others. @User:Physeters, I reckon that you are the editor of the map since May, right? Then we should fix stuff the old editor made. Berobalkan (talk) 09:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Correct. I've been editing the map since early May, but I've been closely following it since the 24th of February. Those bombing symbols represent specific bombings at specific locations, most of which happened on the first day of the invasion. The symbols I've added represent the bombing of the town or city more generally, with the symbol being placed directly under the town marker when the exact location of the attack is unknown. I could add symbols directly under the towns you've listed if you like, as those cities have been bombed plenty of times without the exact location being known. Physeters✉15:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, right. Lately, the reports about the bombings weren't specified, but I reckon the bombings directly under towns would make more sense. Berobalkan (talk) 05:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Can you just correct it at Rivne, Volnovakha, another bombing at Mariupol, and maybe move the bombing at Melitopol. Thanks. Berobalkan (talk) 09:54, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Done! The bombing in between Stanytsia Luhanska and Shyrokyi represents the bombing of Nyzhnia Vilkhova, a town not shown on the map. Physeters✉22:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Critical infrastructure was bombed in Svitlodovsk today, as well as many parts of Ukraine. Should the bombing icon be added? Berobalkan (talk) 08:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia doesn't really do that for their main maps of conflicts as far as I'm aware. While they are all made a little different because of different editors, Wikipedia's maps for the w:Central African Republic Civil War and w:Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) both simply show the frontlines as they are now. I personally am a fan of this format as it separates Wikipedia's map from every other live map of the war in Ukraine, which if you are interested, you can look up pretty easily elsewhere. This map already kind of does this though if you notice the dotted lines marking where the frontlines used to be, they just aren't a separate color because they don't really need to be. Johnson524 (talk) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
The blue arrows kind of serve this purpose, if not very well. I worry though that adding another color would further junk up the map. The oblast specific maps get away with a third color because they are much simpler and easier to read. I personally think that the number of symbols on this map should be slimmed down (such as maybe removing the probably inaccurate arrows) before we consider adding a third color. Physeters✉17:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
46 missiles stricked at Krasnopillya and Znob-Novogordske (the second one is not marked) in the Sumy region today. The bombing icon should be added. Berobalkan (talk) 15:51, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Vovchansk was shelled today and 5 people died. Also, Kramatorsk was attacked by missiles. Anyway, why there isn't a bombing icon at Kramatorsk? Remember the missile attack at the railway station in the first days of the invasion? Berobalkan (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Potentially crucial venue is not on the map. Heavy fighting was reported in last few weeks there. Currently the highway is under Ukrainian fire control, but fighting counties. Can it be added to the map? Berobalkan (talk) 10:23, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Also, Ukrainians have made advances towards Svatove and currently are not more than 2 km from the town. Can this axis of advance be added? Berobalkan (talk) 10:25, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Neither of the sources for this map have the Ukrainians that close to Svatove. They say they're getting closer, but not that close yet. Physeters✉07:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Yes, but Ukrainian army says that they control almost the entire highway, even the governor Serhji Haidai confirms that, and he is not the guy spreading propaganda. Berobalkan (talk) 08:35, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding the major highways the Russians advanced along, the ones under the blue arrows, wouldn't clutter this fairly flat area much and would be likely to catch the militarily important routes, and make the map more informative. Would that make sense? HLHJ (talk) 01:14, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Kharkiv oblast
Entire Kharkiv oblast is, according to liveuamap, liberated since 14 October, and Tavilzhanka, which is marked as contested has been liberated since 10 October...check by yourself... Berobalkan (talk) 08:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Not done That seems a little too optimistic of a report from liveuamap if what you're saying is true. I've been tracking the status of Tavilzhanka particularly since I created it's Wikipedia page, and I have seen no news reports regarding it's full recapture from Russian forces. As far as ISW is also concerned, there is still a decent portion in the top corner of Kharkiv which has yet to be liberated behind and beside Tavilzhanka. Johnson524 (talk) 15:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
I've seen that liveuamap removed Ukrainian advance near Tavilzhanka, although the village itself is still marked as liberated... Berobalkan (talk) 09:03, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Borders of the areas annexed to the Russian Federation
Physeters (talk) & Nahabino (talk), would it be possible to insert borders of the areas annexed to the Russian Federation with the referendums and annexations (2014 and 2022):
The pre-invasion border is already marked with a thick red line. However, defining the borders of the newly annexed territory is more difficult than you might think. Russia has not defined the borders of the annexed territory yet (presumably to cover themselves if they continue to lose ground), other than it includes the pre 2022 borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. Physeters✉17:18, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
The bridge they blew up was rather small, and the explosion was exclusively targeting the bridge, so I don't think that it warrants a marker. Physeters✉00:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
User: Physeters, a couple of days ago you said that you put Oleksandrivka as contested because its status isn't quite clear. Well, I've seen a couple if sources which claim Oleksandrivka as Ukrainian which are: liveuamap, BBC News, War Mapper and Al Jazeera. If Russian forces are near the town, that still doesn't mean that it is contested. I still agree with that the status of the town should be contested, but some things should be taken in account. Berobalkan (talk) 17:30, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
I might be misunderstanding you comment, but Deepstate still shows Oleksandrivka as under Russian control, and the ISW still lists it in Russian advances, meaning not fully under their control. Physeters✉20:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
First, let's make sure we're both thinking of the same Oleksandrivka. I'm referring to the one just north of Stanislav, on the Dnipro River. Now, if you look at ISW's interactive map and zoom in you'll find that Oleksandrivka is in accessed Russian advance, not control, meaning that the Russians are in the town, but have not enforced control over it. This category also signifies the Russia could easily withdraw from the town at any moment. Physeters✉20:43, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Both actually. Ukraine controlled the village at the beginning of this week, Russia attacked it and seized most of it, and Ukraine is now trying to push them out from the southern part of the village. Physeters✉20:15, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
I think the good idea would be to add the labels for the rivers because present situation is a bit confusing. Even I messed Siverskyi Donec and Oskil. During the counteroffensive in Lyman i thought that that was Oskil, but it was Siverskyi Donec (Oskil infuses in Siverskyi Donec southeast from Izium, on near the border of Kharkiv and Donetsk oblast). Berobalkan (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, that sounds like a useful improvement, especially if they are wikilinks. Rotating the text off the horizontal to parallel the river might help distinguish it from other loconyms and dodge clutter. HLHJ (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
@Berobalkan & @HLHJ, I've labeled the Inhulets. Do you think something like this will work? My original plan was to place the text on top of the rivers with some effects, but apparently you can't do any of the stylistic changes with text. I'm not sure about the font color, as it is kind of hard to distinguish against the red background. Also, I don't know how to or even think you can add working links to an SVG. Physeters✉00:33, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, Physeters. The Inhulets label is clear; not sure how it would look on yellow, but it's okay on red, no less visible than the cartouched dates. I support placing it besides rather than on top of rivers, as you have done; similar labels for major reservoirs and other such wide bodies of water might go inside the outline, but for rivers that would be confusing. It's a pity about the text ornaments; an outline or drop shadow is just what is needed to make all text colours readable on all backgrounds (and Russian-held airfield symbols visible on bombardment symbols). It is possible to have links from an SVG,[2] and I think I may have seen it in the Syria map, but I don't know about more specific tool capabilities. HLHJ (talk) 01:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to curve the text so it would generally match the shape of the rivers, similar to what OpenStreetMap or Google Maps does. I also wanted to give the text an outline in white to further distinguish it from the other pieces of text, and to allow the labels to be placed directly on top of the rivers. I attempted to do this by introducing a stroke & stroke color, but it thinned the darker colored part of the text, which in my opinion was not a satisfactory result. As you guessed, I tried applying Inkscape's built in effects to achieve these results, but they did not work on the svgtranslate switches. Physeters✉02:56, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
I do believe there is a case to be made for adding hyperlinks, now that I know how to implement them. However, since this is a multilanguage file, and it seems you can only add one link for each switch element, one language would have to be prioritized over the rest, which kind of defeats the purpose of translating the file. Physeters✉03:00, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Outlined text can be done with several tricks. For me, the filter method is the cleanest, but IIRC Inkscape does not handle them cleanly.
SVG Translate only wants to see text elements inside a switch. SVG Translate will also reject textPath (there is a feature request to add support). Furthermore, the wiki rasterizer does not support textPath.
WMF could implement a redirect page so Inhulets River (Q1331959) can be redirected to a page in the user's preferred language wiki. Currently, Inhulets River has pages on 36 language wikis.
It's unfortunate that svgtranslate won't work with either of those, as both would have worked great. Thanks for the tips though, I'll have to remember them next time I'm working on an SVG that doesn't use svgtranslate. Physeters✉04:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
I think it would be possible to create a link that redirected to a Wikipedia language or to Wikidata according to the browser's language preferences, perhaps with a popup to manually switch. Such links would be useful of-wiki too. Would this work? HLHJ (talk) 01:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
I will add labels for the rest of the rivers in succeeding updates. With the Siverskyi Donets, I might have to use the short name "Donets" in some places because the areas along the river are very crowded. Physeters✉20:38, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
They are, inevitably, slightly clearer on yellow than on red, but they very much improve the map. Thank you.
Feel free to ignore this suggestion: while not technically a river, the en:North Crimean Canal might be good to add, as might the railway through Nova Kakhova that runs eastwards to meet the Melitopol-Zaporizhzhia line east of Vesele, and the major roads running from Nova Kakhova to the Crimea. HLHJ (talk) 02:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Liberation of Mykolaiv Oblast and parts of Kherson Oblast
I think the colors should be changed as we should follow the patterns used in the other war maps such as the Syrian civil war, Yemeni civil war, Central African Republic civil war and so on. That means the areas under Ukrainian govt control should be RED and those controlled by militant/rebel/terrorist/foreign forces should be GREEN. 152.132.14.714:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
All the wars you described are multi-sided wars. They use many different colors, including yellow on all of them. It also makes sense for the foreign invaders to be colored in red. NotDragonius (talk) 18:33, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
In this war, Russian troops use Red armbands, while Ukrainian troops use Yellow, Blue, and Green armbands. The current map colors nicely reflect this; while the proposed colors would do the opposite. Ambroginogiusti (talk) 16:30, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
There is official guidance on colours; it includes paying attention to cultural connotations.[3] This necessarily entails political considerations (see also the controversial en:White-blue-white flag), but using the colours used by belligerents to identify themslves has precedent (grey/black for ISIS, for instance) and seems reasonably neutral. Guidance also calls attention to colourblind viewers. Red-green is a terrible colourscheme for people who are en:red-green colourblind. There are a variety of specialized colour-blindness-friendly colour sets, and simulators so you can see what a page would look like with assorted forms of colurblindness. HLHJ (talk) 01:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
The long-awaited liberation of Kherson
Finally, the whole western Kherson Oblast is liberated. The triumphal entry to Kherson and new phase of counteroffensives have been confirmed. Kherson tse Ukraina! Slava Ukraini! Slava Peremozhtsyam! Heroyam Slava! Euglenos sandara (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
English displays for me. I use Chrome, Firefox, and Edge on Windows 11.
The text "基輔" appears in only two places in the SVG file. One requires the browser language preferences include zh-hant and the other requires zh-tw. A match will also occur if your language preferences include generic Chinese (zh). Under the specifications for SVG, the only way that string can display is if your browser includes those Chinese languages in its preferences. If the language is not included, then the SVG agent should not display.
Some browsers may implement SVG 1.1 semantics, and that means the first match to systemLanguage displays rather than the most preferred. Notice that the zh-hant langtag appears before the en langtag (SVG Translate sorts all hyphenated language tags before the unhyphenated langtags). Modern browsers should implement SVG 2.0 semantics for language preferences.
Here is the SVG code that includes the two occurrences of "基輔".
I assume that was because we couldn't determine where the new line of contact was, only that Uk forces had advanced. Fog of war. (NotDragonius, Berobalkan was speaking of the right bank of the Dnipro, coming south from the NW corner of Kherson province.) Kwamikagami (talk) 20:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Crimea's easy to spot but the Donbas isn't clear on the map. And since that's the region Russia will fight hardest to retain, I think it's worth highlighting. Serendipodous (talk) 09:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
The English place names display fine (all well-aligned), even in a crowded area like around Luhansk, Donetsk and Lysychansk. However, with transliterations to different languages (I specifically noticed it with Dutch, but undoubtedly others have this too), it sometimes occurs these names are either far away from a marker (e.g. Zaporizhzhia, which in Dutch is 'Zaporizja' or Rubizhne, Kharkiv, which in Dutch is just 'Roebizjne') or overlap it (e.g. Luhansk, in Dutch 'Loehansk', overlaps its marker with the L). Can the names of places which are right of their respective marker be aligned to the left and those on the left aligned right? That should fix most of these cases. DarkShadowTNT (talk) 15:40, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Ideally, the place name labels should be left, center, or right aligned so the label stays close to the object. I set the CSS for class="place" to be centered because that was correct for the majority of place names. We can improve that for browsers (but the WMF SVG rasterizer will get confused).
The date labels are within boxes, so all dates should be centered. The CSS for class="date" imposes that centering, but the class information is often lost during Inkscape editing.
Other thoughts.
I'm considering different ways to handle rivers and their translations. we should use class="river" rather than class="place river"; that would allow us to use different fonts, styles (e.g., italic), and colors. Right now, the colors conflict:
/* place text - does not set a size */.place{font-family:LiberationSans,Arial,sans-serif;text-anchor:middle;fill:#04a;}/* River names */.river{fill:#84bcd5;}
We might use Inkscape/sodipodi layers. It would help keep some like features together and in the right order.
Regarding the river class, I think that would be ideal in the long run (though maybe only when needs be?). I made it override only the color of the place class as otherwise river has exactly the same properties as the former. As I don't really like duplicates, I went with that.
I can't really get a good picture of how the SVG rasterizer would get confused by different text alignments? Could you point me to an example and/or elaborate? DarkShadowTNT (talk) 22:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
@DarkShadowTNT: The CSS implementation in WMF's librsvg is very limited. That is not an issue for this map because users look at the image in their browser and therefore bypass librsvg. Glrx (talk) 22:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
With my upload I've moved the river names into their own <g> and added the font-family and text-anchor from the place class to river. Makes it a bit more friendly (hopefully...). DarkShadowTNT (talk) 22:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Add names of bombed/shelled places which are marked outside Ukraine?
Several places outside Ukraine which have been bombed are marked by explosion symbols. Could we add placenames to these so they're not just attacks on the vast grey wastes of terra incognita? I believe they are Millerovo, Belgorod, and Przewodów; perhaps we could label the site of the Moskva explosion (which is also marked) in some way, too. -sche (talk) 00:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
It is. Romanized Niu York would also make sense, but on the official wiki page it's written New York, so it should stay like this. Berobalkan (talk) 07:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Most of the dates on this map are placed on a higher level than the arrows showing advances, but north of Lyman one date has recently been changed to be underneath the arrow there, presumably in error; there's also a date east of Liubymivka which is under an arrow. Most explosions are also placed at a higher level than the arrows, but in the vicinity of Kherson the recently-added arrows are atop the explosions instead. (For example, the explosions by Antonivka and Oleshky are over top of the Russian advance arrow but underneath the Ukrainian one.) -sche (talk) 00:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
It's hard to say. The Guardian is also reporting that Ukrainian forces are on the peninsula, and that the area is a warzone, so something must be going on. At this point however, I think it's too early to say whether Ukraine has liberated the peninsula or not, but something is definitely happening. Hopefully Ukraine prevails! Physeters✉18:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Almost all Ukrainian news publications write that there are battles, but the peninsula has not yet been liberated. Аноным (talk) 19:30, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Came here to ask the same. I am still hearing rumours, but can not confirm. Here's what I've been reading:
November 14th Forbes article, similar to the Guardian article: [4]
It should be added as a symbol and on the map because of the current situation. Now Russians control not that much area as it is shown on the map. Berobalkan (talk) 08:38, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
few fixes
1-Bakhmut is contested (several sources and the map on the battle page show that)
2-Bombings of Snake Island, Delyatyn, Chasiv Yar, Vuhledar, Nova Khakovka, Korosten, Malyn and Serhiivka (someone forgot to add them)
3-Seredyna Buda was occupied by Russia for some time
4- the islands on the Dnipro river (close to Kherson) are still Russian per other maps, no source for Ukrainian control over them.
The only thing I would object to on the list (given that there is evidence to support all of the above) would be putting a bombed symbol on Snake Island. The little corner of the map where the island is situated already is pretty crowded from the capture and recapture. I think adding a bombed symbol would visually cluster the area. That's just my opinion though, I have no objections to the accuracy of that. Johnson524 (talk) 03:39, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
I doubt either side occupies the islands in the river. Do we have a source for Russian control?
Half done I've added all of the bombing and corrected Seredyna Buda. As for Bakhmut, the two official sources for this map, the ISW and the detailed map, list Bakhmut as under Ukrainian control Also, there are virtually no reports on who controls the Dnipro Delta, so drawing the line of control down the center of it sort of makes sense. Physeters✉08:12, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
I agree with User: Johnson524 and User: Kwamikagami. There are no evidence that islands near Kherson are under Russian control. But I agree that Bakhmut should be contested. I mean, if Aviidivka is, than Bakhmut should also be and some bombings should be added. Berobalkan (talk) 08:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
What is our definition of "contested"? I would understand that to mean that both sides control part of the city, or perhaps neither occupies it because it's in no-man's land between the front lines, but either way neither exercises complete control. That's not the case with Bakhmut, where Uk is in complete control. If that's also not the case with Aviidivka, then IMO it shouldn't be marked as contested either. We have separate conventions for a town that's besieged. Kwamikagami (talk) 19:48, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Explosions happened in Seredyna Buda, Hlukhiv, Shostka, Bilopillia, Yunakivka, Velyka Pysarivka and Semenivka some months ago. but i think that someone forgot to add them. SnoopyBird (talk) 16:33, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Apparently, Shalyhyne and Kucherivka also reported explosions around that time, Desna in Chernihiv also reported a big explosion in its military barracks. SnoopyBird (talk) 16:36, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Found another thing, explosions were reported in Yalta and neighbouring villages of Sanatorne and Alupka (Crimea), as well as in Novoozerne (near Yevtaporia) and Belbek Military Airport, near Sevastopol. SnoopyBird (talk) 16:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Additional map border highlight of the Russian-claimed regions cf frontlines
Could there be an additional border added to the map of the zones that Russia has "officially" annexed. It could be interesting to note this compared to current frontlines without cluttering the map too much.
Thanks 5.66.85.7119:18, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
The borders of the annexed territories are currently intentionally vague. All maps showing the "new border", including the ones I have made, should come with a big asterisk, as they are only a best guess of the situation. Should Russia ever fully demarcate the "new border" I will add it to the map. Physeters✉21:51, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
The bombing of Millerovo, which happened a while ago, is already marked with a bombardment symbol. However, Saratov and Ryazan are not visible on this map, and are beyond the cropped border, so it is literally impossible to mark the bombings. Physeters✉21:48, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
The islands at the Dnipro delta are pretty badly drawn. They have wrong shapes and are also not in their actual location. There's a few islands immediately north of Hola Prystan, but they're shown more to the west in this map. Considering that there even is a village in one of these islands (Bilohrudove), I think it would be good if someone attempted to make them look more accurately. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:56, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Half done! I've done everything except mark Pisky as contested, as the ISW map still shows the village as fully under Russian control. Physeters✉00:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Why is there an blue arrow? Does that mean that the town of Yakolivka is liberated or what? Also, the town has been heavily attacked for a few days now so it shouldn't be really marked as the Russian advance. Berobalkan (talk) 13:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Adding arrows for Ukrainian counteroffensive should be with the reason. There are multiple arrows at Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk Oblast which haven't liberated anything. Also, Russian arrows in the direction of Siversk and Petropavlivka should be removed because they don't make any sense. Berobalkan (talk) 13:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
These represent local counteroffensives, small attacks that take back only a small area, maybe a trench line or two. Physeters✉02:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Tavilzhanka
There aren't much news reports on this village, even in Ukrainian, but I think this is the latest and describes Tavilzhanka as still occupied [6]. It's an interview to the village's mayor, so it's pretty significant. DeepStateMap still shows Tavilzhanka as occupied too, and I think the ISW just made a suggestion that the village might have been liberated. Considering this, I think it should be shown as russian-occupied again. I doubt the russian lines at the rest of Kharkiv Oblast would last or make any sense anymore after the fall of this village at the other side of the river and on the middle of the occupied area. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 17:19, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I know none of these say exactly what territory Ukraine now controls, and the ISW map still shows Russia controlling all of Kinburn. I am wondering what would be enough information to say that Ukraine now controls part of the Kinburn Peninsula? Thanks Indigotwelve (talk) 18:13, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
If a geolocated photograph or video showing Ukrainian forces either operating on the spit or in one of the four villages on the peninsula, that would definitely be enough. Also, if Russia were to announce they had lost control of the peninsula of someone very high up in the Ukrainian government, such as the president, were to say they had taken the spit, that would be enough. Physeters✉23:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I just-so-happened to finish creating the 2022 Russian invasion section for the Kinburn Spit/Peninsula article when I read this 😅 A few media outlets have jumped the gun and declared that Kinburn Spit has been liberated, only for the claim to be disproven by Ukrainian sources shortly afterwards. As recently as 7 December, Russian and Ukrainian officials have said Ukrainian operations are still continuing on the spit under operational since, but have yet to officially retake any territory. Here's the source from the ISW. Furthermore, there is no current map that I see (ISW, DeepState, etc.) that shows Kinburn Spit under the control of Ukrainian forces, so we can only hope it will be soon 🙂 Johnson524 (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
I think that we should remove only the bombing icons which are on settlements in Donetsk Oblast because now the map isn't very clear. Berobalkan (talk) 08:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
These represent the bombings of Novobakhmutivka & Petrivka, two small towns that were attacked on day 1 of the invasion. Because of this, I feel they still have a purpose on the map, even though the settlements are not labeled Physeters✉22:53, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
We should actually remove the bombing icons near Vuhledar, Marinka, Pisky, Aviidivka and Bakhmut to make things clearer. Maybe we should add them again after the settlements won't be on the line of contact... Berobalkan (talk) 08:10, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
I would love if we could add dates to the bombings, and set ones older than N days to be invisible / not displayed. But at least putting the dashed front line over top of them (put it at a higher level than the bombing icons) would address the immediate issue. -sche (talk) 22:00, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Half done! It appears that Ukrainian forces have taken back about 50% of Opytne, as opposed to 80%. To reflect this, I have added a blue arrow at Opytne and moved the front slightly south. Physeters✉01:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Because the line of the contact passes through the airport. The terminals and most of the airport are under DPR. Now it looks as it is fifty-fifty. Berobalkan (talk) 10:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
I think it should be added, as it is on ISW maps. That gives a new point of view to the map and also symbolizes weakness of russian occupation authorities. Berobalkan (talk) 14:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
I agree, partisan controlled areas or areas with reported partisan activity should be included, not only because its on ISW maps, but also because of the other reasons you mentioned, such as giving more insight on the situation. SnoopyBird (talk) 00:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
I think that we should mark it by having the Russian color, but kind of circled and striped in the areas where the activity is reported, so we can show that it is both de jure under Russia but also de facto under partisans., — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnoopyBird (talk • contribs) 17:02, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I actually added labels for the Donets River in the same edit I added the labels for the Dnipro, however, they apper to have accidentally removed in a later edit. I have now added them back. Physeters✉03:08, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
According to the map rules, the ISW map can only be used to show the shape of the frontline, not control of cities. For that, I use the detailed map, which is specified in the rules as the city control source. Tavilzhanka is marked as contested because that is how the detailed map displays it. Physeters✉02:55, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Severodonetsk airport
Can someone move the label with the date of capture of Severodonetsk? I tried to move it so the airport can be seen, but at the same time I moved all the rest :/ Berobalkan (talk) 11:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
The bombings made sense earlier in the war. Now there are thousands of bombings and we can't hope to include them all.
Worse, by selecting which bombings to show, the map now has a systematic bias. We are showing bombings which tend to make big news in the western press which tend to be attacks on Russian soil.
I sort of agree. Quite a lot of bombings are missing, and the current map shows an incomplete picture. However, showing at least some bombings is still valuable in my mind, so maybe we could keep some class of them? Physeters✉17:36, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
To be honest, removing them altogether does seem like a better idea, not only it is too much work to keep adding every single bombing, but theres also the fact that we cant keep up with it, we may forget some, some may not be reported, etc. SnoopyBird (talk) 00:56, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
I've just wondered how to load the map in Inkscape. I'm not necessarily interested in editing, I'm just experimenting. Can somebody tell me how to do that? Berobalkan (talk) 13:18, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Well if you are interested in editing at all apparently Notepad++ is better for it, but personally I think Notepad++ seems a bit tedious. 64.82.204.215:48, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
It seems that the update from 4 January accidentally discarded the changes from 2 January and that the latest updates build on that flawed version. That should probably be fixed. Cheers, Sebastian 93.213.218.3605:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Ukrainian forces conduct a counterattack and pushed Russian forces to the eastern part of the city where they were a couple of days ago. Please update. Berobalkan (talk) 12:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Please provide a reliable source for this. Sources I'm following, like the ISW, DeepState, and LiveUAmap, say that the front has either stabilized or Russia is still advancing. Physeters✉23:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
And Also the General staff of Ukraine reported that Ukraine reppeled a assault from Kreminna which could mean they control the south of Kreminna, this info is from liveuamap, so mark it as contested Lucasmota0975 (talk) 20:43, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
From what I've heard, there seems to be fighting at the Russian strong fortifications surrounding Kremmina, but not in the city itself. Because of this and the lack of any more coverage I've seen on this, I don't think there's enough information to support that Kremmina is even near contested yet. Johnson524 (talk) 13:02, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Kremennaya itself was nowhere close to be contested the last time I've checked. There are some battles in the forests and Chervonaya Divrova, but that's still some distance from the town itself. --M1911 (talk) 11:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Set Bakhmut to contested
There is a large number of videos and photos proving that Russia controls the easternmost part of it for weeks (since 09.12.2022 or so). You can see Geoconfirmed, for example, for strikes at Artyomovsk Winery. --M1911 (talk) 11:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
This really isn't the right place to ask this, as I am not supposed to change the status of cities unless they are changed at Template:Russo-Ukrainian War detailed map. You should post this request there, and if they approve of changing Bakhmut to contested, then I will change it to contested here. Physeters✉21:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Version without arrows?
Hello! Is there a version of this map available without so many arrows (or limited to just the most recent arrows)? I can't find one, but I may well be overlooking it. Thanks! Ganesha811 (talk) 19:27, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Half done I've changed the frontline to match the ISW, but I have not changed the status of Tavilzhanka, as it is still marked as contested on the detailed map. Physeters✉01:02, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Guerrila-controlled regions and Ostriv Velykyi Potomkin
We should add something to the regions with guerrilla activity to the map, as this would give more insight on the real situation of the Russian-occupied territories.
Plus, Ostriv Velykyi Potomkin should be marked as contested somehow, dont know how we can do it, as there is no city on the island, but we can find some way to it.
I have made the frontline divide the area that represents Ostriv Velykyi Potomkin between Russian and Ukrainian control. Physeters✉01:12, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Update to Ostriv Velykyi Potemkin
ISW has reported the Ukrainian army has been on Ostriv Velykyi Potomkin since February 27th. The island should be colored yellow for the time being, it's currently completely red. It's also shown to be one long island on the map – which I realize is just how the SVG map draws it since I imagine it was too fine to separate into two chunks – if that's an issue then only one corner of the island should be yellow. 47.20.177.16317:07, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Actually, Ostriv Velykyi Potomkin is represented by a different area on the map, which I have already shown as split between Russian and Ukrainian control. Due to the complicated nature of how this file is constructed, when I redrew the Dnipro Delta a few month ago, I was unable to separate Ostriv Velykyi Potomkin from the mainland.Ostriv Velykyi Potomkin is outlined in blackPhyseters✉19:13, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
No, I mean new 2023 dates. The 2022 dates may be left alone right now, but new dates should be "5 Jan 2023" rather than "5 Jan". That should save some later manual editing.
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I want an explanation for Avdiivka being contested. If Bakhmut wasn't until January 2023, then Avdiivka shouldn't. Most sources claim that Ukrainian forces still control the entire city, although I believe that the situation is quite messy... Berobalkan (talk) 18:18, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Avdiivka has been marked as contested for so long I no longer remember why it was originally marked as such. However, I believe that in the current situation, Avdiivka should probably be listed as under Ukrainian control. I've seen that you have already posted this same comment at the detailed map, which is great! I'll have to see what they say before I can change this map. Physeters✉18:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
@Physeters, I've fixed the situation about Avdiivka. I just can't fix it on the detailed map because I don't know how should I edit a template (it's not a file). Berobalkan (talk) 18:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
I chose to use the Hungarian spelling of the river as the Tisza is mostly located in Hungary and Hungarian speaking regions. I used similar logic when I chose to use the name Southern Buh instead of Southern Bug, even though the more common English name for the river is the latter. It is also worth noting that the Hungarian spelling is the one used as the title of the rivers Wikipedia page. Physeters✉01:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I've tried too add T504/H32 road because I think it is really important at this point, but I've made a complete mess with the roads. @User:Physeters, can you fix it so it looks the same as the previous map? Thanks a lot. Berobalkan (talk) 18:20, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
There has been a request to alter the legend of the map of the English version of this image from '2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine' to just 'Russian invasion of Ukraine'. This is intended to match the article title. Both en.wiki and simple.wiki have altered their article titles to 'Russian invasion of Ukraine', though simple.wiki currently retains '(2022-present)' at the end as a disambiguator, so the present map legend is different to the article title in both English wikis. Mr rnddude (talk) 01:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Do we want all dates to include the year? I already have code that examines date consistency and has changed the default translation date to ISO-8601 YYYY-MM-DD for all dates. I can make most Latin languages to include the year, but there are languages that have lengthy date formats (Mongolian comes to mind). (For this file, first on my list is getting SVG Translate to work again, and second is dates. Those topics have fallen off this talk page.) Glrx (talk) 17:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
It's on the middle of the P66 highway, since it's a strategic important settlement, i recommend adding it(It's also quite big settlement, it has more 3k people) Lucasoliveira653 (talk) 23:20, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
They're used in te detailed map, however this icon is used on the svg file of the Central African Republic civil war, should we add it to the map? Lucasoliveira653 (talk) 00:07, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I like the idea. At this point, for example, Avdiivka or Krasnohorivka look exactly the same as other cities with no enemy pressure. But still, I think that this would make the map too complicated. @Lucasoliveira653, is the map you mentioned the offical map of the conflict? Berobalkan (talk) 15:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Done! Physeters✉ 01:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Keep Yes, the bombing markers are stale, but they show the extent of the initial attack, so I would leave them in. The map has other stale/non-current markings. If the bombardments are not kept, then I would not remove the symbols but merely edit the bomb symbol to have 
Not done That seems a little too optimistic of a report from liveuamap if what you're saying is true. I've been tracking the status of Tavilzhanka particularly since I created it's Wikipedia page, and I have seen no news reports regarding it's full recapture from Russian forces. As far as ISW is also concerned, there is still a decent portion in the top corner of Kharkiv which has yet to be liberated behind and beside Tavilzhanka. Johnson524 (talk) 15:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Half done I've added all of the bombing and corrected Seredyna Buda. As for Bakhmut, the two official sources for this map, the ISW and the detailed map, list Bakhmut as under Ukrainian control Also, there are virtually no reports on who controls the Dnipro Delta, so drawing the line of control down the center of it sort of makes sense. Physeters✉ 08:12, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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