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Replacing jpgs/pngs with SVG files

I regularly recreate SVG files of lower quality jpg/png coats of arms I find, just to improve the look, and replace them on Wikipedia pages. Is there some kind of protocol for this? I thought I remembered a template that said "this file has been replaced by SVG version." Is there some kind of quicker way to replace the file used across Wikipedia? Example, I replaced File:ArmsOfStMaurOfNorthMolton.jpg with File:Arms of St Maur of North Molton.svg, but it was only used on two pages. But when a file is used on like 24 pages, it's a pain to go change each one. Am I supposed to tag the original jpgs for deletion? I don't want to step on anyone's toes who created them, but of course some of them are years old. (I will also ask this in the general section b/c I'm not sure how active this group is, since there are no discussions yet in 2016!) ——Wikimandia (talk) 21:22, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

While replacing raster images like png/jpg with SVGs in the Wikipedias is certainly desirable, we shouldn't categorically delete the underlying raster versions. There are lots of other applications where vector images and the SVG format in particular can't be used, so we should keep the raster files. As to the replacing procedure, I'm not aware of any quick process. Not to mention that individual Wikipedias may have individual guidelines for such issues. De728631 (talk) 21:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
The replacement can sometimes critical, it must be sure it is superior, take a look here for more information: Commons:Global Replace ↔ User: Perhelion 21:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the quick reply! I always try for superior versions. My OCD kicks in when I see low quality JPGs. I'll check out Global Replace. Please ask me if you want me to make any SVGs - it's fun for me. Thanks!!!! Wikimandia (talk) 22:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Old heraldry-related categories for discussion

There are a number of categories related to heraldry that have been under discussion since 2012. Some of these are related to the common name vs taxon problem which is a larger issue for Commons, but some seem to be specifically heraldry-related discussions. I was hoping that some members of this wikiproject might be able to shed fresh eyes on the discussions, and maybe we can close some of them before their next anniversary. =)

2012

Thanks, Themightyquill (talk) 11:05, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Two of these discussions have been closed, but others still require more input. Thanks. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:26, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Please help!

Hello! It would be very helpful if we could get several users' opinions here. Thank you! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:51, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Vorlage

This discussion about a template belongs to the German Wappenwerkstatt.
It has been copied to this place from another talk page. Due to its usage of other Commons templates it cannot be shown at de.WP.

Erster Entwurf für {{Projekt Heraldik}}:

WikiProjekt Wappen
WikiProjekt Wappen

Image created for the Project Heraldry of the German Wikipedia

mehrsprachig, aber mk oder pl kann ich nicht. Alternativ gäbe es noch das Logo WikiProjekt Wappen.svg:    sarang♥사랑 06:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Ja, super. Besser geht es nicht. Du bist schneller als die Feuerwehr, da hab ich keine Chance. -- MaxxL - talk 06:52, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Warum jetzt Heraldik? Das heisst doch Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Wappen.-- MaxxL - talk 07:05, 30:: July 2016 (UTC)
Heraldik ist die Fachbezeichnung und Wappen die Laiendarstellung. ↔ User: Perhelion 13:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Laiendarsteller haben wir heute nicht da. Es hat auch keiner nach der Bedeutung der Begriffe gefragt, die allen hier sattsam bekannt ist. Es ist die Frage, wohin verlinkt werden soll und welcher Name dem Link gegeben wird. -- MaxxL - talk 20:52, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Nunja da wir wohl das Heraldik-"Projekt" mal in Wappenwerkstatt umbenennen wollten (und fachlich auch nicht übers Ziel hinausschießen wollen), stimme ich mit "Wappen" zu. ↔ User: Perhelion 21:48, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Mein Vorschlag: die en-Variante mit "Project Heraldry", die deutsche mit "Wappenwerkstatt". Meines Wissens gibt es so eine Vorlage bisher nur für das französische
 
 Coat of arms created for the Blazon Project of the French Wikipedia. 

:daran habe ich mich orientiert (auch an der ewig breiten Box...).Ich kann mich auch mehr an das Format von

 
This image is based on a depiction from NGW.nl.

:und an dessen Breite anlehnen. sarang♥사랑 12:22, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Nunja, ich würde doch eher optisch in Richtung deines ersteren Vorschlags, jedoch um 1px kleinerem Rahmen und evtl. einem leichten Hintergrund, sonst sieht es aus wie eine gewöhnliche Info. PS: Die Spanier haben auch eine Vorlage Template:THV ↔ User: Perhelion 12:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Die spanische Vorlage hatte ich auch gefunden. Ich halte es für einen suboptimalen Ansatz,

Taller de Heráldica y vexilología

This picture was made for the Taller de Heráldica y vexilología of Spanish Wikipedia.

: alle Translat-links in die Box aufzunehmen, das kann unsere OMA nur ablenken und verwirren. Mich stört auch der Strich darunter.

Ich halte es für weit besser nur in der aktuellen Sprache, die der Benutzer eingestellt hat, anzuzeigen. Mir (ganz persönlich) gefällt das NGW-Format besser, damit heben wir uns allerdings von den anderen Formatierungen (fr, es) deutlich ab. Was ja keineswegs negativ ist! Mit dünnerem Rahmen plus dezentem Hintergrund bin ich voll einverstanden. sarang♥사랑 16:13, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Ich stimme Dir voll zu. Mehr kann ich nicht dazu sagen. Sollten wir nicht aber den ganzen Thread ins Forum oder an eine andere öffentlichere Seite als diese Talkpage verschieben, damit mehr Interessierte an der Diskussion teilnehmen können? -- MaxxL - talk 16:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Wenn ihr schon bei dem Thema seid, ich hatte auch an eine schmalere und wesentlich dezentere Inline-Vorlage {{Ngw3}} gedacht (analog zu {{Ngw2}}). Denn viele Wappen beruhen auf dieser, nur das eben ngw2 nicht passt, jedoch trotzdem gerne eingesetzt wird. Vgl. Disku dort, der Einsatz ist von Hartemink selbst nur für Pixelgrafiken gewünscht. (also eben nur optisch diese Seite leicht von einem "normalen" Link/Referenz hervorheben) VG ↔ User: Perhelion 13:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
@Sarang ich finde deinen Vorschlag ganz ok. Würde mich freuen, wenn du das umsetzen könntest. @Perhelion ein ngw template, habe ich schön länger nicht mehr einsetzen müssen, da es sich zumeist nur eine Sekundärquelle handelt. Hartemink zitiert meistens aus Büchern (Stadler, Debus, Veddeler, etc.). Wir bevorzugen ja die Websites der Gemeinden. --Jürgen Krause (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
@NGW: Ja das mag sein, ich habe die Vorlage jetzt trotzdem mal erstellt. ↔ User: Perhelion 19:42, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Wie jetzt? Welche Vorlage hast Du erstellt? -- MaxxL - talk 19:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Na ngw3 (wie oben verlinkt) PS: Sieht dann so aus File:COA Ritschweier.svg. Hartemink ist ja selbst auf NL schon ein jahr nicht mehr aktiv (aber das muss nicht unbedingt was heißen) ↔ User: Perhelion 20:01, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Axo - ich sah da vorhin n ur den Rot-Link. Diese schmale Form ist gut gelungen und passt sich dezent den anderen Tags und Labels an. User:Knorrepoes wird sich freuen. -- MaxxL - talk 20:10, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Ach danke dir (ich habe eben das grelle gelb, der HP entspr. noch dezenter sprich dunkler gemacht), ich habe ihn mal direkt auf NL angefragt (evtl. ist eine Email besser). Dann möchte ich auch noch ein Geschenk erwähnen (was ich JK schon länger versprochen hatte). Nämlich das Einfügen und Umwandeln von Template COAInformation per Script (allerdings habe ich noch nicht angefangen damit). Denn ich bin zugegebener Maßen selber zu faul diese Vorlage großflächig (per Hand) zu verwenden. ↔ User: Perhelion 20:21, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Conclusio: Soll also so aussehen
WikiProjekt Wappen
WikiProjekt Wappen

Coat of arms created for the Project Heraldry of the German Wikipedia

sarang♥사랑 08:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Genauso. Danke Dir für den Vorschlag. -- MaxxL - talk 09:01, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Roundels

In March 2015, [[Category: Coats of arms with roundels]] was created. It was not included in any heraldry category when it was established. The entries in this category do not contain roundels in the heraldic sense of a circular charge, but in the sense used primarily for aircraft markings. While most of these are circular, the entries in this category are almost all from the air forces of the United States (which includes both a hurt and a torteau) or of Poland (which is rectangular). There appears to have been some attempt in the past to keep the heraldic meaning of this term "roundel" separate from other uses, but it seems that this new category needs to be renamed to clearly distinguish it from [[Category: Roundels in heraldry]]. --Lineagegeek (talk) 11:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Pinging @Fry1989: who created Category:Coats of arms with roundels. Lineagegeek made a point here concerning the ambiguous terminology. I think we should relocate the images to a new Category:Air force roundels in heraldry for clarity and redirect the former page to Category:Roundels in heraldry. De728631 (talk) 22:38, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
I created the category for coats of arms (and one for flags as well)that specifically have air force roundels. I have no objection to changing the category name to be more specific. "Air force roundels in heraldry" does sound better. Fry1989 eh? 22:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps we should even use "Military roundels in heraldry" because there are a number of distinctive naval aviation roundels that are not air force markings in a strict sense. De728631 (talk) 16:17, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Agree with "Military" rather than "Air force". --Lineagegeek (talk) 12:55, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Alright, I have created Category:Military roundels in heraldry which is now meant to host shields with military aircraft roundels. Category:Coats of arms with roundels has been redirected to "Roundels in heraldry". De728631 (talk) 20:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Question About Copyrights

Do I have the right to make a digital version of a coat of arms of a Canadian city granted by the Canadian Heraldic Authority and upload it on Wikimedia?

--Plvs-Vltra (talk) 18:15, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Apparently municipal arms of Canada are not in the public domain by default so you cannot just copy any existing depiction. But since the blazon, i.e. the description of the coat of arms, is generally not copyrighted, you can redraw the arms in a slightly different style based on the blazon. So you can either use your own graphical representation for the elements depicted in the arms, or for an SVG file you may also take the SVG elements from any of the coats of arms on Commons and arrange them accordingly. In the latter case please remember though to attribute the authors of the various elements when you upload your own file. De728631 (talk) 00:17, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
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