Commons talk:Structured data/Computer-aided tagging/Archive 2023

Timing

When I received a notification for this tool today, it was about 27 hours after my last upload. But that wasn’t the upload that appeared in the tool; it insists on starting with a much older upload.

The tool should be available at the time of upload, and I should be able to choose which upload(s) to work with each time I use the tool. This is related to the suggestion above to choose which files (from all files, not just the user’s own uploads) to work with.

Is anyone actually reading this page? Or is it like the Upload Wizard feedback page that quietly died? Brianjd (talk) 10:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Keegan (WMF). Brianjd (talk) 10:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

The suggestions are currently essentially useless for images of biological taxa

I welcome work on such tooling but think there is a long way to go before I would be able to actually use it for the intended purpose. For example, most of the images for biological taxa are already annotated via categories down to the species level (and often even further), and those categories are hierarchical in a way that follows the taxonomic tree. It is thus unhelpful if the tool simply suggests higher-level taxon names like "Reptilia" for a file already categorized as being about a particular reptile species, with that category correctly positioned in the tree under "Reptilia" and the corresponding Wikidata items also all existing and properly tagged. For that particular file, "Potamites strangulatus strangulatus", "Potamites strangulatus trachodus" and "Potamites ecpleopus" (all mentioned in the title and description) would have been much better suggestions. The tool should also recognize that some of the most relevant tags might not yet exist and perhaps facilitate their creation. Of the options I was presented with for that file, only "photograph" represented an aspect not yet present in the existing category annotations, so I added it, but given that there is a rich subtree of categories under "photograph", it would probably have been more useful to go for something more specific, e.g. "Photograph of animal". For another file, the suggestions were mostly art-related and none of them useful as given. Daniel Mietchen (talk) 12:46, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the tool seems to be fixated entirely on image analysis without using any of the other information that is present, e.g. from the description or from the categories. I still cannot understand why anyone can think that this is a useful and intelligent method. except when there is no other information. --Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 14:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I've been raising concerns about this since February 2020 (see Bad tags, nagging, and no tags and Misplaced invitation to "tag" images; I explicitly referenced taxon hierarchies several times in the latter). On behalf of the WMF, User:RIsler (WMF) (which account is no longer active) assured me, the same month, that my concerns were not being ignored, and that the "major discussion points" would be addressed "soon". They have not been. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:25, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Stolperstein für Martino Pasini (Ghedi).jpg. Category: Stolpersteine in Ghedi. Suggested tags: rectangle (Q209), text (Q234460), commemorative plaque (Q721747). Better suggestion: stumbling stone (Q26703203).

Charlotte Myers Griswold.jpg. Categories: Daguerreotype portraits of the United States, Rufus Wilmot Griswold. Suggested tags: metal (Q11426), rectangle (Q209). Better suggestions: daguerreotype image (Q64029175), portrait (Q134307).

The suggestions are currently essentially useless for anything. Here are two ‘popular’ examples from just now. It would seem that nothing has changed with this ‘proposal’ (the main page is still tagged {{Proposed}}).

After I used the tool to add my suggested tags to the second image (Charlotte Myers Griswold.jpg) (and edited the file directly to mark them as prominent), I saw yet another ‘rectangle’ in the tool. I guess to a computer, everything is a rectangle.

Also, this page is dead and no one cares.

Brianjd (talk) 07:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Galveston Tribune. (Galveston, Tex.), Vol. 16, No. 207, Ed. 1 Monday, June 22, 1896 - DPLA - aeeb3831e54bfe7c7a709ffcd6fe06b0 (page 8).jpg: At least it correctly identified this image as depicting a newspaper (Q11032), but also suggested document (Q49848) and publication (Q732577). And yes, the tool also thinks this image is also a rectangle (Q209). But surely, instead of any of those suggestions, it would be best to tag this image as Galveston Tribune (Q100295967). I did so manually, so I could also mark this depicted item as prominent and qualify it with a publication date (P577) date depicted (P2913). Brianjd (talk) 07:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

"Skip" has to be active at a new page

I don't want to find tags for so many pictures like documents, forms and so on. It would be easier to press ENTER to skip them. Andreas Lippold (talk) 13:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

A document that has been profiled will still go inside the suggestion tag

Obviously, this should be incorrect. Q28 (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Unnecessary "Suggested tags" alert

I usually tag my uploads, but always appears this alert for any previous mine upload, even this upload has been correctly tagged for me. This error has been notified previously, why you don't solved this bug?. Jmarchn (talk) 04:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)