Commons talk:Picture of the Year/2020

Checking in

Hi all. Checking in to see where things stand for POTY 2020? I know the date isn't set.

If I recall correctly, Zhuyifei1999 stepped back from POTY last year, but set things up for other people to run. Is that the way it will work again?

@Christian Ferrer, Steinsplitter, and -revi: Will you be the committee this year?

Thanks. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  03:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Zhuyifei gave me (and Steinsplitter) the script and the instruction to run the script. I will need to setup the environment and make it work, which I think I will try this month. (Steinsplitter probably has higher chance of completing this faster than I can do, though) Then we can agree on the dates. — regards, Revi 04:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

• I will not be within the committee this year. My participation was largely the sorting of the images into the different categories. If someone is interested by doing this, it is needed to add User:Rillke/gallery-sort.js to your common.js like this. Best regards, Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 09:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again for your efforts, all. Just checking in about a possible timeframe. @Steinsplitter and Revi-: is there anything non-technical that others could help with to get the ball rolling? — Rhododendrites ^talk |  21:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@-revi: fixing ping, hyphen wrong side. :) — Rhododendrites ^talk |  21:07, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, was very sick when the ping was sent. Still not fully recovered but have enough capacity to try again. Will try again soon... — regards, Revi 07:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I am very busy, it is extremely time consuming setting up the scripts etc. Therefore i can't assist this year, sorry :( --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:27, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

If I may ask (sorry if this question is terribly put), how did you write the scripts for previous years. As in what language & stuff. (Sorry if that's obvious). Thanks A Tree In A Box (talk) 12:59, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Would it be possible to introduce that topic to some new people? There are people ready to help. Kruusamägi (talk) 12:03, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

What Happens?

It is mid of April and still nothing in the field of Picture of the Year. What happens? Is commons.wikimedia dying away?--MrPanyGoff 07:17, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Commons is how it's always been: a big project with not enough volunteers... and especially not enough volunteers with technical abilities necessary to organize something like POTY (and not enough support from the foundation on that front). I think Steinsplitter and -revi will be setting it up when they have time to do so (volunteers, after all). If you would like it to be easier to set up, that would be a good thing to request from the WMF (either a grant to fund development or on the community wishlist, etc.). — Rhododendrites ^talk |  17:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Volunteering

Is there any way I can contribute to the project? I've followed it for several years already and I'd like to contribute to it somehow. Thanks! --Gilc (talk) 22:01, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Same here. It shouldn't be that hard to just copy what happened in previous years right? A Tree In A Box (talk) 12:56, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thread opened at VP

See here. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  13:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: Are all the featured pictures selected in 2020 categorized? I did a draft on my test page. The numbers below the pictures are based on the numbers on the featured pictures archive page on 2020. In required categorization, there are files that are selected and then they deleted for any reason. I will check if there is something missing for a few days. I will welcome the persons who are interested to correct mistakes. Uncitoyen (talk) 20:12, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

As far as I know, the bot automatically categorizes them. I have a sense that W.carter knows something about this, but I don't remember why. :) — Rhododendrites ^talk |  22:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Rhod, probably because I'm always yelling at people to sort their own **** FPs, since there is nothing automatic about the process and I'm tired of being an all-purpose FP cleaning lady. ;-)

Anyway, not sure what Uncitoyen means by "categorizing". There are two ways of sorting FPs, and none of them is automatic. The first is that FPCBot will place the FP in the Gallery assigned by the nominator on the nomination page. Unfortunately, people sometimes forget this or get the gallery wrong and I'm not around FPC 24/7, so files get lost.

The second way to sort is by putting the FP in one or several of the normal Commons FP Categories. Up until a couple of years ago, this was done by a few dedicated users, but they finally had enough and these days this sorting is up to the nominator/file-creator/whoever-feels-like-it. Let's just say it's very random now.

On top of this, the POTY crew usually use a sorting system unique to POTY. One which has has very little to do with the two other systems. --Cart (talk) 07:31, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I say categorizing for 2020. Commons: Picture of the Year/2019/R1/Gallery In the previous years, I was trying to create a draft manually. In general, it is clear that most files will have any kind of category. I'm trying to use FP galleries among those that are a bit difficult to understand. Are there any other methods? I don't remember correctly. Uncitoyen (talk) 08:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

No, those are the only two special ways that FPs are sorted (gallery and FP category). If you can't find an image in those places, you have to go by what normal categories they are in. I have never been involved in sorting files for the POTY categories, the only thing I've done is to alert the organizers about FPs that for some reason were missing from to voting. But if you used the chronological pages, you should probably have all of them. --Cart (talk) 10:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I created the lists by copying the pictures from 2020 chronological pages on excel program. As far as I calculate, there are no missing files. I also found the sets. Only in the past months the status of this file has been revoked. And some pictures were chosen after they were selected. FP galleries most helpfull. (for building, objects, nature views etc.) But some pictures fall in many different categories as you said. Hopefully it can be more helpful if more experienced users doing other work. Uncitoyen (talk) 10:56, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I could help you with some of it, but not today. Yesterday, me and my neighbors celebrated that we finally got our schedules for our covid vaccinations, and today I have a terrible hangover. I only came here now because Rhododendrites called on me. I'll be back to normal tomorrow. ;-) --Cart (talk) 11:50, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

One of the lesser known side effects of getting vaccinated. :) — Rhododendrites ^talk |  12:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sort of back to normal and I'm going through the list Uncitoyen, on your test page and leaving notes here. You've done a great job and there are only some minor adjustments. I go by the original nominations as these describes the photographer's intention for the image. It helps that I've seen all of these nominations before.

• 'Videos and Animations' is not relevant any longer since they have been moved from FP to Commons:Featured media. Not sure how these will be handled, perhaps they should have their own "of the Year" contest, a sort of Wiki-Oscars.
• All the deleted images you had in 'Required Categorization' should just be removed. They were uploaded and nominated by a user who stole them online and pretended s(he) had made them. It took a while before we realized what had happened, and some photos were promoted. When we had sorted things out, all the files s(he) uploaded were deleted from Commons.
• The pig heads (2020-08/62) belong among the rest of the food. It can scare someone if kept among the animals, so moved.
• '2020-07/83' was nominated as a fungi photo so should be in that section. Moved.
• '2020-02/72' is just seaweeds and algae, not animals. Moved.
• '2020-10/42' and '2020-07/34' are landscape photos, not plant photos, Moved.
• '2020-04/7' is of a destroyed bridge so moved from Settlements to Infrastructure.
• '2020-12/36' is a nomination for the ship so moved to Vehicles and crafts.
• '2020-11/54' was actually built as and still is, a hotel, so moved from Castles to Constructions and buildings.
• '2020-05/14' is actually a sculpture so moved there.
• '2020-01/18' is light trails on a road so moved to Infrastructure.
• '2020-01/37' another hard to detect sculpture. Moved.
• Metro stations are usually counted as Infrastructure, so moved.
• '2020-11/10' ended up among the interiors instead of exteriors. Sets including a photo from the outside usually ends up where the main photo is taken. Moved.

Is there anything else I can help you with? --Cart (talk) 21:24, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for trying to change the files in different categories. I can comment better when I have the opportunity to better review your edits. I am currently in contact with Zhuyifei1999 to do POTY works with pywikibot more automatically and correctly. He is ready to help for volunteer users to do it. It would be good if more different users could help. Although the files that we have are also manuel, I think they are very close to the truth. @-revi: As a former member, you said that you can do something this year, can you do? Uncitoyen (talk) 21:31, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

No problem for videos and animations. Most of your edit seem correct. I have some concerns. I was remembering that we were transferring the interiors of metro stations to interiors and details. Commons:Picture of the Year/2019/R1/Gallery/Interiors and details. I moved 2020-11/10 because most photos of set file is interior of religious interiors. I see that there is no problem since most of your reasons are logical. Yesterday I have removed 2020-05/10 from the list per Commons:Featured picture candidates/removal/File:Yom Kippur War. XXXVII.jpg. Instead, the new file was selected in February 2021 Special:Diff/555050991. Uncitoyen (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

But since the sets are usually edited according to the first file of the set, maybe we can do it as you said. Uncitoyen (talk) 21:53, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

None of the things you mention are big deals, I just went by galleries and such. I doubt voters will see the difference anyway. :-) We are all just happy something is done with the POTY. Thanks for your work. --Cart (talk) 21:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

So far images have been divided into categories in here and that is all? Or is something being done?

And do I understand correctly that there is no "how to run POTY" thing anywhere nor there is list of people who deal with this topic. Kruusamägi (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

At the village pump thread, Firefly expressed intent to run it this year. I'm not sure if Uncitoyen is working on it, as well? — Rhododendrites ^talk |  00:36, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: I'm looking at running the scripts to create the various bits that are needed today. Happy to coordinate with anyone else who's involved of course! ƒirefly ( t · c ) 10:16, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to work on the scripts in my free time. If I can help, we can work together with volunteer users on this issue. Uncitoyen (talk) 13:11, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

@Uncitoyen: Likewise! I think I've got a handle on what they do - have you made tweaks to the code? I think the best idea would be to have a shared Toolforge account and bot account to run it from, and perhaps a new GitHub repo that we can all contribute to. This also means that should we all get abducted by aliens, it's relatively easy for someone to take the job over as documentation etc can be placed in the repo for all to see. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 16:28, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I talked to Zhuyifei1999 and tried to understand some problems. Now I'm trying to learn Python programming skills to solve it. I haven't found a solution, but after these process finished, Github might work in the future. Uncitoyen (talk) 07:05, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

@Uncitoyen: Any progress? Kruusamägi (talk) 13:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kruusamägi: Sorry. I haven't been able to spend much time on this topic in the last few weeks. At latest, I think if there are other volunteer users, we have to do this somehow within a month. Otherwise, we will come to the end of 2021. Uncitoyen (talk) 14:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kruusamägi: A couple weeks ago I pinged Firefly, who said something may be posted soon pending confirmation everything is working as it should be on a testwiki. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  15:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

And another month goes by. Rmhermen (talk) 21:34, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

@Rmhermen: Did anyone create documentation, as Firefly mentioned putting in a github repo? I'd like to contribute, and have some coding skills, but really don't know where to start. Haven't done much wikimedia contribution in years but would like to help see POTY through if possible. Documentation could help other people pick it up. Mithunc (talk) 21:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello all - pages to be created this week - apologies for the delay. I believe Rhododendrites has said that they would file the request for the Centralnotice banner? Please correct me if I've misunderstood! This should get the banner up by this time next month, giving us sufficient time to get the process done before we run out of 2021. firefly ( t · c ) 13:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Committee

Firefly is hard at work getting the POTY scripts going, and said they are planning to apply for the Central Notice banner tomorrow. I think that we will need two additional committee members. As for what is required: mainly helping Firefly as needed, watching talk pages, double-checking votes as needed, fixing errors on the voting/gallery pages, and being one of the dedicated contacts. Perhaps Uncitoyen would be interested, since you've expressed interest in helping with the event? Also pinging some other experienced Commons users who participated above: Kruusamägi and W.carter. And finally some pings of committee members from the last few years: @Christian Ferrer, Steinsplitter, -revi, Moheen, FDMS4, and Ham II: (I know some of you said you could not help this year, but perhaps since we are later in the year things are different). — Rhododendrites ^talk |  22:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

I could help if needed... but this August is pretty crazy for me, and so I can't promise I can contribute much time. Kruusamägi (talk) 22:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Sure, I can help keeping an eye on things if needed. --Cart (talk) 08:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm still away-from-wiki mode because wikimedia has become less fun to me (it's hobby after all), but I can help. — regards, Revi 06:20, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I could help if needed. ~Moheen ^{(keep talking)} 07:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Based on the above responses, and because we only need two committee members, I've added W.carter and Moheen as committee members to the CentralNotice request. If I misunderstood, please do remove yourselves (or let me know!): meta:CentralNotice/Request/Picture_of_the_Year_2020#Picture_of_the_Year_2020. Note that the request has not been transcluded to the requests page yet -- Firefly will do that when it's ready. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  13:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: So, it was approved. Are we waiting for anything else? --Andrei (talk) 09:22, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@Moheen and W.carter: Not sure if you've ever used Discord before, but there's a #Commons channel where there's been some discussion about getting POTY up and running (including what needs to be done). I don't know if Firefly has reached out to you elsewhere, but if you're so inclined you may want to hop into that channel. here's the direct link to join. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  14:54, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi all, apologies for not responding here, and for the last-minute nature of things! Thanks also to Rhododendrites for the Discord suggestion. We are pretty much done, all that remains is for this request at AN to be actioned. firefly ( t · c ) 15:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Rhododendrites Thanks. Nope, nothing, this is the first I hear about this. Haven't used Discord before, but how hard can it be. ;-) Will get on it. --Cart (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I already logged in to Discord that's all I know. But forgot the password & username too. :p And I can't find any forgot password option! ~Moheen ^{(keep talking)} 16:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

You log in to Discord using your email address, not a user name. And I see a “Forgot your password?” link on the web login screen—of course, if you don’t know what email address you used (or you can’t access it anymore), it won’t be of any help, but then your only option is really to create a new account. –Tacsipacsi (talk) 16:50, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Strange omission

There is a strange omission in the categories offered. Where is the category for images of microorganisms – phytoplankton, protozoa, mixotrophic protists, bacteria, archaea, viruses – the vast underlying biomass which underpins the integrity of the human immune system and powers the great carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and silicon biogeochemical cycles that drive evolution and sustains all life on this planet. Or do the organisers seriously think a vague grab bag category called "Objects, shells and miscellaneous" does justice to the area? — Epipelagic (talk) 22:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@Epipelagic: candidates for POTY are the images promoted to featured picture in the preceding year. So ideally the categories of POTY should chop up that supply of FPs into relatively even categories rather than try to provide a sample of big subjects. We don't get enough pictures of microorganisms at COM:FPC to justify a separate category. The categories should definitely be improved though (almost 100 "nature views" vs. 5 astronomy... almost 100 "plants and fungi" vs. 8 maps). — Rhododendrites ^talk |  03:43, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Bias

The rule "If top two images in a category are not in the top 30 of all images, they will be also promoted to the Final to guarantee a diverse final" creates a bias, as the number of images per category is very variable. Those with only 5 or 8 images ("Astronomy, satellite and outer space" and "Maps, diagrams and illustrations") have a great advantage. Images with very few votes, or even one vote, may end up as finalists. This is just a comment. I understand the need for simple rules. We could imagine (for the next years) to have a minimum number of photographs in each category (e.g. 20 ?), which would imply maybe to have a category named "miscellaneous"?!

La règle « Si les deux images d'une catégorie ayant le plus de votes ne sont pas dans le top 30 de toutes les images, elles seront promues en finale pour garantir la diversité des finalistes » crée un biais, car le nombre d'images par catégorie est très variable. Celles avec seulement 5 ou 8 images ("Astronomie, satellites et espace" et "Cartes, diagrammes et illustrations") sont très avantagées. Des images ayant reçu très peu de votes, voire un seul vote, pourront se retrouver finalistes. C'est juste un commentaire. Je comprends qu'il est nécessaire d'avoir des règles simples. Nous pourrions imaginer (pour les prochaines années) d'avoir un nombre minimum de photographies dans chaque catégorie (p.e. 20 ?), ce qui impliquerait peut-être d'avoir une catégorie nommée "divers" ?!

--MHM (talk) 08:28, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes. This has come up a few times. This year, since it happened so late, the decision was to leave the categories as they were last year and have a conversation in advance of next year's contest to determine what they should be. Because of the way the pages are created/run, removing/changing a category runs the risk of breaking something, and at this late stage, understandably, that's better avoided. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  12:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Software error report

The voting system seems to have broken, as it shows the following note:

Lua error in Module:POTY/parser at line 66: table index is nil.

On 09:42 UTC it worked fine, when I opened "Plants and fungi" section and voted for some pictures, but at 09:56 UTC, when i tried to go to "People" section, the error notice came and it is there since on the entire voting system. CX Zoom (talk) 10:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Special:Diff/592395016 Need template editor protect this page. CC @Rubin16: --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 10:23, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Lack of representation of People of Color and Black people

Why there are only very few people of color and black people at Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2020/R1/Gallery/People? 16 percent of the world's population are Africans, 12.7% of US citizens are blacks but still, very few black people's images are here for this competition. How do you explain this, are "Digital Cameras Still Racist"?, is it systemic racism in this competition or blacks are not good-looking enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mzwaga Azibo (talk • contribs) 10:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mzwaga Azibo! All the images in POTY 2020 are images that were promoted to Featured picture status during 2020. We are always encouraging users to nominate photos with a greater diversity at Featured pictures candidates, but we are limited to the photos that actually get nominated and promoted. You are very welcome to nominate excellent photos of black people and people of color at FPC to make sure that POTY 2021 will be more diverse. There is no systemic racism in the competition, we rely on what people nominate during the year.

If you take a look at all the FPs of People, see Commons:Featured pictures/People or Commons:Featured pictures/People/Portrait, the overall diversity is pretty good though, just not so this year. Hopefully next year will make up for this. --Cart (talk) 11:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

•  Info if you know any great photos on commons, you can nominate them here: commons:FPC. noone is stopping you! --Andrei (talk) 19:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Voting on your mobile

If you have problems voting using the mobile, try switching it to 'Desktop' for the desktop-on-mobile. It should display all the buttons more correctly.

We are aware of the problem and fixing the outdated code is on the to-do list for next year. --Cart (talk) 13:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Photograph of the Decade

How does one even take a photo? JVDEINDIG096 (talk) 10:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi JVDEINDIG096, that question is a bit too big to answer here on this talk page. This is a forum for the Commons 'Picture of the Year' competition, not for best photographer of the decade or photography in general. I suggest you do an online search (Google or YouTube) for "Photography for beginners", that will give you thousands of ways to start. --Cart (talk) 11:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

"Astronomy, satellite and outer space"

Hi, So in the "Astronomy, satellite and outer space" section we have File:Dark Matter 27x39 ENGLISH.png which to me seems odd - Should there not be "Posters" or "fictional arts" section that would better to have these in?, Just seems nonsensical to have a poster in this section, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 12:12, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

The categories leave a lot to be desired. The plan is to reassess for next year. This was one that I brought up on Discord as an odd edge case during categorization. It was in "paintings, textiles, and works on paper" but since it's not a photo or scan of a poster but a work of graphic design, it didn't seem appropriate. Astronomy was the least bad option, and since that category is so absurdly small anyway, it was easy to err on the side of including there. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  14:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:Rhododendrites, Ah okay interesting - Now you've explained it it actually makes a lot more sense that it's in that category as I agree it being in the paintings category is even weirder. I guess really there's just no better category for this image but as you say this one actually makes marginally a bit more sense than the other one lol, Thanks for your informative reply :), Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 14:33, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

"This page has been protected to prevent editing or other actions."

What it says on the tin. None of the R2 pages are editable. There's nothing in protection logs or the like. MediaWiki talk:Gadget-EnhancedPOTY.js/auto-reports is full of a couple of similar errors... RandomCanadian (talk) 19:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

That'll be Mediawiki:Titleblacklist. @Firefly: is the vote protection supposed to be enabled or disabled (commented out) right now? AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 20:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@AntiCompositeNumber disabled as R2 has started - strange that it’s enabled again as I was able to test-vote earlier. Could you disable the protection for us? Thanks! firefly ( t · c ) 20:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Firefly, RandomCanadian: done in Special:Diff/598786131. It might be useful to use a more specific message than MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext/PageProtected in the future. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 20:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@AntiCompositeNumber thanks. And agreed regarding a more specific message, it’s on the list of improvements for next year :) firefly ( t · c ) 21:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Update needed on main page

{{Edit request}} The main page currently says "In the first and current round, you may vote for as many images as you like."

This needs to be updated to (something like) "In the second and current round, you may vote for 3 pictures."

Plus the details below that, about "began" and "begins".

Thanks! Quiddity (talk) 20:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Quiddity: Done. @Firefly: this should probably be in a {{#switch}} instead of using comments for next year. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 15:36, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@AntiCompositeNumber thanks, noted - indeed it should be. So much of the POTY tooling needs updating to require less human intervention. Given we already have the "status" page as part of the template, we should probably just switch based on that... firefly ( t · c ) 16:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Results?

Are the statistics for the results of R1 available yet? Like Commons:Picture of the Year/2019/Committee/Transparency/R1 results. Nardog (talk) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

The raw data is avaliable at Commons:Picture of the Year/2020/Committee/Transparency/R1 raw. Scroll down for the votes on each image. --Cart (talk) 16:14, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Nardog (talk) 05:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Huge Thanks

Hi POTY-team, especially @Firefly: @Moheen: and @W.carter: some people thought in the passing months of 2021 that the POTY would even have to be given up this year. Wistfully, because POTY has many supporters and fans. I would like to express my sincere thanks to you for picking up the threads and running the competition and bringing it to a close. The response shows: it was the right decision and above all: it is NEVER too late for POTY! It's also amazing how clearly Corona has left its mark on these results... Many thanks and best regards, --Emha (talk) 12:34, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. Thanks, all. Firefly took on the back-end part and got it done. I'd also add Zhuyifei1999 (who'd probably prefer not to be pinged). Firefly, what would you estimate is the time commitment all-told? I know you were planning to do some documentation for next year -- is that still on the horizon? (wouldn't blame you if you're burned out) — Rhododendrites ^talk |  13:16, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites it is indeed in the works, yes. I have some notes from each stage that are probably only intelligible to me at the moment(!) - so they’ll need to be written up into something coherent.

@Emha and others - you are most welcome! I’d like to add my own personal thanks to Zhuyifei for their guidance and assistance, and to Moheen and W.carter for fielding questions and all sorts of other admin assistance.

Aside - maybe we should try to recruit someone with translationadmin perms for next year… :') firefly ( t · c ) 17:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Firefly: after the POTY 2018 User:Steinsplitter wrote this annoncement Commons:Picture of the Year/2018/Results/R2/msg with the concentrated statistics for the village pump. In the PUMP is no communication at all about the POTY 2020 result yet. Is it possible to reproduce this announcement for POTY 2020? Thanks, --Emha (talk) 13:00, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@Emha I can do that, yes - something else for the "how to POTY" documentation for next year eh? :) firefly ( t · c ) 13:01, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@User:Firefly: is it possible to write the Summary-Facts for this POTY award on Commons:Picture of the Year/2020/Results/R2/msg (or any other site, but I couldn't find any)? Thanks a lot ... --Emha (talk) 23:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I can - is there a previous year's version I could look at (couldn't find any by swapping 2020 to 2019) to know what needs to go in it, Emha? :) firefly ( t · c ) 08:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Firefly: yes: Commons:Picture of the Year/2018/Results/R2/msg, which I wrote about a few lines above ;-) Thanks, Emha (talk) 09:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Ahhhh woops, right it's the same thing. On it :) firefly ( t · c ) 09:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Emha - done :) firefly ( t · c ) 09:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)