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The Taking of Lungtungpen, featured[edit]
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First illustration to The Taking of Lungtungpen by Rudyard Kipling -
Second illustration to The Taking of Lungtungpen by Rudyard Kipling
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Info created by Archibald Standish Hartrick - restored, uploaded, and nominated by Adam Cuerden -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Support -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment No comment. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)- Support -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Daniel Case (talk) 05:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- Llez (talk) 05:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- IamMM (talk) 08:31, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 09:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Question I have just read the summary of the story and it seems this narrative is brutal, chauvinistic, racist and glorifies war crimes, murder and acts of violence. Is it somehow to be understood as a hidden criticism of these crimes, or did Kipling (whom I have only known from the Jungle Book) really represent this terrible attitude? (I know that such attitudes were common in those days, but it is always sad to find out that this or that great writer, artist etc. also shared them, so I ask). --Aristeas (talk) 10:09, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- My impression from Kipling is he's basically an advocate for the lower classes, advocating for the enlisted over the officers that ordered them around. He seems to try not to be racist, but doesn't always succeed given when he was writing. He clearly loved the culture and people of India, but he's also the author of The White Man's Burden. But, then again, The White Man's Burden is also a statement of goals, and explicitly states that colonialism's goals should be, first, to benefit the people under it, and, secondly, to eventually release them. Basically, he's arguably progressive for his day, but not tainted by it. That said, having read Puck of Pook's Hill, which has one of the most bizarre defenses of Jewish people you'll ever see. (It basically boils down to something like "Yes, they love money and control the world's finances. But that's a good thing! It's just a little quirk they have, and they always use it to benefit everyone. Aren't they great?") ...Well, I get the feeling he's a great writer, probably has a good heart, but he is not, when it comes down to it, a clever man, and that shows in some of the most bizarre "hot takes" (or whatever you want to call them) in literature. That said, I'm a white guy so take my impressions with a grain of salt. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:27, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Just as an addendum: Kipling is actually a pretty eloquent spokesperson for conservatism, as a general proposition rather than a set of positions purported to reflect that general proposition, as demonstrated by "The Gods of the Copybook Headings", which I still find very relevant (Rereading it, I really wonder what Kipling would have thought of Brexit). Daniel Case (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- My impression from Kipling is he's basically an advocate for the lower classes, advocating for the enlisted over the officers that ordered them around. He seems to try not to be racist, but doesn't always succeed given when he was writing. He clearly loved the culture and people of India, but he's also the author of The White Man's Burden. But, then again, The White Man's Burden is also a statement of goals, and explicitly states that colonialism's goals should be, first, to benefit the people under it, and, secondly, to eventually release them. Basically, he's arguably progressive for his day, but not tainted by it. That said, having read Puck of Pook's Hill, which has one of the most bizarre defenses of Jewish people you'll ever see. (It basically boils down to something like "Yes, they love money and control the world's finances. But that's a good thing! It's just a little quirk they have, and they always use it to benefit everyone. Aren't they great?") ...Well, I get the feeling he's a great writer, probably has a good heart, but he is not, when it comes down to it, a clever man, and that shows in some of the most bizarre "hot takes" (or whatever you want to call them) in literature. That said, I'm a white guy so take my impressions with a grain of salt. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:27, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Adam and Daniel, thank you very much for your responses and insights! Very interesting. Well, human beings are complex and often have contradictory ideas and attitudes (mostly without realizing that they are contradictory), and so I should not be surprised that this applies also to Kipling. --Aristeas (talk) 18:13, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support — Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk | contribs) 17:32, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Excellent restauration of historically interesting illustrations. --Aristeas (talk) 18:13, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support --MZaplotnik(talk) 22:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
Result: 9 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /George Chernilevsky talk 06:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
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