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File:Common kestrel (Falco tinnunculus) female (IMGP1648r1).jpg, featured[edit]
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- Gallery: Commons:Featured pictures/Animals/Birds#Family : Falconidae (Falcons)
- Info Common kestrel (Falco tinnunculus) female, all by me -- LexKurochkin (talk) 09:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support -- LexKurochkin (talk) 09:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Too bad about the cut-off tail feathers, but very pretty. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- All the feathers are visible and thank you! --LexKurochkin (talk) 09:22, 15 April 2023 (UTC) 09:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
Oppose Focus just missed the head- see definition on the existing FP of a different kestrel species (taken with 500mm vs this one's 210mm). Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:31, 15 April 2023 (UTC) Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:31, 15 April 2023 (UTC)- Sorry, but in this particular case I don't agree. My lens was zoom up to 300 mm, and 210 mm was used on purpose, to have better sharpness at the given distance, and, of course, the focus was on the eyes. Actually, this image has very slight DoF problem, but not on the head, it is on the long feathers on the tips of the wings. On the other hand analyzing your example image, despite it is already an FP, with all due respect to your amazing skills and knowledge in animalistic photography, I consider it not more detailed optically, but slightly oversharpened. It is visible at 1:1 scale on brown feathers on the bird's back of the head, where, due to lower microcontrast of the area, sharpening was less efficient. There are also two white low microconstrast areas on the belly with the same difference in level of detail. LexKurochkin (talk) 12:31, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, I just have done it. File:Common kestrel (Falco tinnunculus) female (IMGP1648r2-DNA).jpg: The image made from the same raw file with the processing you prefer. LexKurochkin (talk) 13:00, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Much sharper version, let's see what others think. I am criticised for over-sharpening and for for under-sharpening! (ps. the tail feathers are not cut off as you say, but are slightly hidden, which may be what Ikan Kekek was trying to say). Charlesjsharp (talk) 14:53, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, I just have done it. File:Common kestrel (Falco tinnunculus) female (IMGP1648r2-DNA).jpg: The image made from the same raw file with the processing you prefer. LexKurochkin (talk) 13:00, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, but in this particular case I don't agree. My lens was zoom up to 300 mm, and 210 mm was used on purpose, to have better sharpness at the given distance, and, of course, the focus was on the eyes. Actually, this image has very slight DoF problem, but not on the head, it is on the long feathers on the tips of the wings. On the other hand analyzing your example image, despite it is already an FP, with all due respect to your amazing skills and knowledge in animalistic photography, I consider it not more detailed optically, but slightly oversharpened. It is visible at 1:1 scale on brown feathers on the bird's back of the head, where, due to lower microcontrast of the area, sharpening was less efficient. There are also two white low microconstrast areas on the belly with the same difference in level of detail. LexKurochkin (talk) 12:31, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Slightly cut off by the rock, I would say. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:37, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Per Ikan. But Charlesjsharp's photo is also beautiful.--Famberhorst (talk) 15:33, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Question On which version do we vote now – on the original or on the sharpened one? Do you want to nominate the sharpened version as an alternative one? Just asking ;–). --Aristeas (talk) 07:52, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- Info @Aristeas: I am not sure if it is possible to change the nomination to have both versions to compare. So, now the first version is nominated. If it does not violate the rules I would like to nominate both versions to compare opinions. Thank you. --LexKurochkin (talk) 22:36, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support --XRay 💬 09:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 14:09, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support--Mister rf (talk) 22:37, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support --Llez (talk) 08:42, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support --Aristeas (talk) 09:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose The other version is better. Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:12, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Charles Poco a poco (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Alternative Version[edit]
- Info Alternative version with more sharpening, as described in the discussion above. @LexKurochkin: You wrote above that you would like to nominate both versions to compare opinions. This is possible by using an “Alternative version” section in the nomination, as here. It makes counting the votes etc. more complicated, but it allows people to express their preferences for one (or both) of the versions. (I had to remove the small photo of the alternative from the discussion above and to change it to a mere link, the photo is now present here in larger size.) Hope it helps, --Aristeas (talk) 09:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Info Thanks a lot! Yes, it is exactly what I wanted. --LexKurochkin (talk) 10:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support both versions. ----Aristeas (talk) 09:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Both are good; this version is better. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:26, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Either version is good, but I find the alternative more harmonious. -- Radomianin (talk) 09:29, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Daniel Case (talk) 02:15, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support I like this better, too. --SHB2000 (talk) 05:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Famberhorst, XRay, Agnes Monkelbaan, Mister rf, and Llez: Dear voters on the original version, right now we have a difficult voting situation with this image. Some people consider the alternative version as superior, but there are still more votes for the original version, and therefore at the moment the original would be promoted. Just to avoid any confusion I wanted to ask you if you could please have a look at the alternative version. Please check if you (a) like the alternative version, too (then please vote for it below of this comment), or (b) like the alternative version even better (then please vote for it and consider striking out your vote above for the original version), or (c) prefer the original version (then you got nothing to do, of course). Thank you very much! --Aristeas (talk) 10:03, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Neutral I'm not sure. This one is sharper, but it looks like oversharpened. --XRay 💬 10:22, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Neutral In my opinion, this version has some problems. For a better comparison, the two images must be viewed in an editing program, as different layers. Although most of the noise on the background image and on the subject has been removed, the increase in detail is too strong, that's why there are disturbing transitions on the bird's feathers. This new processing was probably also for luminance levels, but the effect was much too oversized, so the intervention caused highlights blown out. The most visible areas are at the bird’s beak, at the bird’s feet, on the rocks, and even at the bird's eyes. The increase in sharpness create some areas with white pixels to be artificially introduced where they did not exist before, so apparently the level of chrominance decreases, so the natural effect of the photo disappears. For the best result the solution would be a photo obtained by editing with different parameters with several layers. Mister rf (talk) 15:12, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- I choose the original photo.--Famberhorst (talk) 15:24, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- The top photo is my favourite.--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 17:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support The version above is not sharp enough, I opposed it. This one has the required level of sharpness and is overall fine to me, even if the transition between motif and background looks a bit unnatural. Poco a poco (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support --MZaplotnik(talk) 14:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Info I would like to thank all the participants of this interesting and insightful discussion. Thank you very much. --LexKurochkin (talk) 17:57, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The original has 80% of the votes (8 out of 10), the alternative 100% (7 out of 7). Therefore, the alternative is promoted. -- Radomianin (talk) 22:00, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Animals/Birds#Family : Falconidae (Falcons)
The chosen alternative is: File:Common kestrel (Falco tinnunculus) female (IMGP1648r2-DNA).jpg