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- Info created and uploaded by Ggia, nominated by Yann (talk) 20:38, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Support The best (tragic) illustration of the refugees crisis in Southern Europe. (Second nom.) -- Yann (talk) 20:38, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - There's a big dust spot on the right in the sky. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:47, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Unfortunately just as relevant today as in 2015. It looks a bit oversaturated though and for disclosure we already have this FP. --cart-Talk 20:56, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Neutral per user:W.carter Ggia (talk) 21:10, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek, W.carter, and Ggia: Thanks for the review. I removed the dust spot, and reduced the saturation a little bit. I hope it's OK now. I think the composition is better than the other FP. Regards, Yann (talk) 22:07, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Support --Tomascastelazo (talk) 00:24, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Neutral I hadn't seen these images before now, but undoubtedly these are astounding. This is genuine photojournalism by someone within this community, which is rare, and provides invaluable contributions to the project. Though per others I agree that the other image being an FP is sufficient, and I think the other image gives the viewer better insight into the subject and situation. WClarke 03:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- @WClarke: I am not a photojournalist by the way. If you like the photo I can again open the raw file to extract a better version. But I can do it after 24 April because now I am traveling and I don't have access to my files! Ggia (talk) 06:49, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Ggia: You don't have to formally be a journalist to participate in photojournalism- any committed photographer when confronted with injustice has the responsibility, within reason, to document horrible situations like these and share them with the world; in this case you did that, and to me this photograph is on par with those published in major newspapers. Though in terms of editing the photograph, I would leave it almost unchanged from the original version, as close as possible to what you witnessed that day. For years, primarily since the advent of digital photography, there has been debate over what is and what isn't acceptable to edit in a photograph intended for journalistic purposes. The Associated Press has a "Code of Ethics for Photojournalists", and this is a rare case on FPC where I would recommend following them when editing. While I obviously don't think any edits you made were meant to "mislead" viewers by any means, the AP does warn that "changes in density, contrast, color and saturation levels that substantially alter the original scene are not acceptable", so if you reprocess the raw files, just keep that in mind. IMO, in this case I really don't think altering color is necessary anyway, as the colors from your first version (assuming you didn't make any large changes before) still look very nice. Thanks. WClarke 20:32, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- @WClarke: I am not a photojournalist by the way. If you like the photo I can again open the raw file to extract a better version. But I can do it after 24 April because now I am traveling and I don't have access to my files! Ggia (talk) 06:49, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- @WClarke: I follow Mangum photographers that also manipulate (make) their pictures black and white. Ie [1] James nachtwey, or [2] Alex Majoli. Different rules for AP or Reuters different rules for Magnum. I don't sell photos here and I don't have any benefit to make the photo more dramatic. The reason that this "no manipulation" rule apply in AP or Reuters is because in the past photographers edited their photos in order to be more dramatic and sell them and earn money or win a photojournalist price. Dramatic images are sold easier. A good essay about those dramatic images and the photo market is the book of Susan Sontag "regarding the pain of others". Ggia (talk) 20:57, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- I agree. If we didn't have that one, there would be more call to feature this one. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:51, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Support I don't see any reason why we can't have two FPs of this scene. Both pictures are visually striking, important, and extremely valuable --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 10:47, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Support per Martin, now that the photo is fixed. --cart-Talk 12:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Support --Basotxerri (talk) 16:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose Good picture, but very similar photo of this series is already FP. --A.Savin 18:00, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose I think the other photo is better. More chaotic. -- Colin (talk) 19:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose Per cart's comment, especially regarding the effect of the apparently too-saturated blue tones. I would add that the other photo, the one we featured, benefits from more realistic color. Also, the immediacy I praised in that one, noting the people in the water, the chaos Colin mentions, is absent in this one. Daniel Case (talk) 22:17, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I withdraw my nomination A pity... Yann (talk) 13:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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