Category talk:Delage automobiles

Suggested orthography

A

Delage A‎ (1 F)

Delage AB‎ (1 F)

Delage AC‎ (1 F)

Delage AE‎ (4 F)

B

Delage BI‎ (3 F)

C

Delage CO‎ (1 C, 1 F)

Delage CO.2‎ (1 F)

D

Delage D6‎ (3 F)

Delage D6.11‎ (9 F)

Delage D6.3L‎ (2 F)

Delage D6.60‎ (4 F)

Delage D6.70‎ (30 F)

Delage D8‎ (23 F)

Delage D8.15‎ (6 F)

Delage D8.S‎ (9 F)

Delage D8.100‎ (1 F)

Delage D8.105‎ (4 F)

Delage D8.120‎ (32 F)

Delage D8.120 S‎ (23 F)

Delage DI‎ (12 F)

Delage DMS‎ (1 F)

Delage DR‎ (2 F)

Delage DS‎ (1 F)

J

Delage J3‎ (1 F)

T

Delage T‎ (3 F)

Delage TR‎ (16 F)

Is this the best version? Eddaido (talk) 08:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes to the dot which we found on old original French advertisements between D6 & number and D8 & number.

Not sure with D8.120S. In the Delage-book there is D8 120 S (with space before the S), so with the dot I wish D8.120 S

OK with D8.S, but not sure. Also found D8 S. When we use the system with dot behind D6 and D8, then D8.S

OK with D6.3L, but not sure. In the book it is 3L, not Litre.

OK with CO.2, but not sure. In the book it is CO2, but I don't like CO2. When we use the system with dot behind D6 and D8, then CO.2 --Buch-t (talk) 10:59, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Puzzled by this: "OK with D6.3L, but not sure. In the book it is 3L, not Litre." I would be perfectly happy with D6 3 Litre if that is what you are proposing. I would be happiest if you were to go to the listing up above and make it right for you. I don't think I will disagree with any of your decisions. Eddaido (talk) 11:41, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I will try in other words. On your talk page I wrote about the possibility for writing 3 Litre or 3 litre instead of 3L. In the book it is 3L. I think we shoud take D6.3L

I agree to the above list in this version. --Buch-t (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I've made the changes (please check) and sorted in many of your new images (please check) and that has left 21 images that I am not sure how they should be dealt with. Eddaido (talk) 12:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

It's fine. I have created Category:Delage DM. In the book there are DM, DMN and DMS.

Good

For the remaining pictures: The race car found at https://www.brooklandsmuseum.com/explore/our-collection/cars/gp-delage-Prix Which category?

Delage racing cars, (I've done it now) but should we sort out the racing cars - there are quite a lot of photos.

No idea for File:Delage 1910 (1).JPG and File:Delage Phaeton (1).JPG. What do you think about Category:Unidentified Delage automobiles, the same as Category:Unidentified Renault automobiles? --Buch-t (talk) 13:12, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

With unidentified models I generally leave them where they fall (in Delage automobiles) but are there advantages in having a separate Category:Unidentified Delage automobiles? Eddaido (talk) 00:59, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

The advantage of Category:Unidentified Delage automobiles: It is a subcategory of Category:Unidentified automobiles by brand. There are (in the moment) 19 categories - only one created by me. This is subcategory of Category:Unidentified automobiles. Sometimes some experts identify cars in this category and subcategories. --Buch-t (talk) 08:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

1. I'm sorry, I am reading your messages in the wrong order.

2. You are making a good point here though its not to my personal taste it does fit with the system. Would it be worth having yet another category for images / cars that are not worth wasting any time at all? There is a difference between images an uploader has not troubled to identify except as, for example, a Ford and images that we know are Fords but Henry I alone might know just what it is. If you see what I mean. Eddaido (talk) 23:37, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Maybe I'm getting too tied up in my own language, maybe most would see unidentified as being unidentifiable (but to my mind only until someone with some knowledge comes along). As you have pointed out there come times when it is impossible to tell from an image of the exterior just what's inside a car: V-twin or V16. Eddaido (talk) 23:37, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

It is right that there is a difference between Unidentified and unidentifiable. Category:Delage unidentifiable is ok. Do you want to create plenty of categories like Category:Delage unidentifiable for other makes? --Buch-t (talk) 08:29, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I think it might be helpful but I would not want to start anything without a full discussion with those influential in Wikimedia automobiles (can't think of a better way to put this (!)) There are quite a number of them. Eddaido (talk) 10:39, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

No problem. --Buch-t (talk) 10:56, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Early model names with or without Type ?

I have started to read the Delage book. For all models (up to 1914 or later) the word Type is part of the model name: Delage Type A, Delage Type B, Delage Type C, Delage Type D, Delage Type E, Delage Type F, Delage Type G, ... , Delage Type AI, Delage Type AK, Delage Type BI, Delage Type BK. I will read more.
Do you find any French advertisements for Delage cars before 1914? --Buch-t (talk) 08:48, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I took my lead from the French club. With the address of Delage.org it must be a group of some importance? Nevertheless Type is so popular among the earlier French cars I would be very happy to see it used where appropriate. Your book is authoritative? Is it French? Will look for ads in Hathi Trust, soon. Its just about to become Monday here now. Regards, 10:46, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

The book is ISBN 9781854432193. Original was French by Cabart & Rouxel, translated in English and something added by Burgess-Wise. Do you are somewhere in the east of the world? --Buch-t (talk) 10:54, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

delage.org here without Type (perhaps to save space?), but when you click on E, F, G, H, J and so on you will see Type. Surprise: A, B and D are modèle. C is wrong link to Type AC. --Buch-t (talk) 11:13, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

So we had better fix it to agree with delage.org and then that will agree with your book? Eddaido (talk) 11:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC) Auckland

Model name with Type will agree with the book. For the models until 1914. I don't know for models after 1918 - I must read. We can wait until I have read the full book. --Buch-t (talk) 12:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@Buch-t: Don't know what the weather is like where you are but have you had a chance to read the book? Not anxious just letting you know I am trying not to forget about it. Happy New Year, Eddaido (talk) 09:15, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I have read up to year 1927. Pre-1914 with Type. The Type CO in most cases with Type. After the Type CO almost without Type. I don't know what we can do. Do you have found advertisements before 1914? --Buch-t (talk) 07:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I've had no luck hunting up advertisements before 1914. Does the book list out all the models anywhere on one page? That might give us some consistency. Eddaido (talk) 18:56, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

1 table on 3 pages in the book for all models. Table header: Type / years built / Engine: Power hp ch, cyl, cc, make, type, bore, stroke, valves / Transmission: Clutch, gears / Chassis: brakes, track, wheelbase / Homologated by mines dept: chassis number, date. --Buch-t (talk) 15:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed the notification. Can we not use this system of classification or does it somehow not fit? Eddaido (talk) 09:41, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, we can use the system with Type for all cars of Delage. It is a lot of work. --Buch-t (talk) 09:46, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

You are the expert! You have the book! You make the decision as to whether or not we make Wikimedia follow the book and then, if you decide to do that, please let me share the work - which of course I as yet know nothing of. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 10:20, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes. All subcategories of Category:Delage automobiles with Type please. --Buch-t (talk) 10:36, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

OK I'll have a go at that but can you just confirm that all I need to do is add the word Type after the word Delage. Eddaido (talk) 11:02, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Move Category:Delage A to Category:Delage Type A and so on. --Buch-t (talk) 11:08, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Will do, thanks, Eddaido (talk) 11:19, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

It was the right decision with Type. I will write the German articles for all models in Februar or March. I must do some small changes in the category then. --Buch-t (talk) 08:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Made small changes. DMN und DMS subtypes of DM. R3 and R4 subtypes of R. J3 subtype of J. CO.2 and CO E subtypes of CO. DR.70 and DR.65 subtypes of DR. Everything with description. --Buch-t (talk) 10:27, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Type D4

There was only 1 type. Found spelling D4, D.4 and D 4. We can kept Type D4 here on commons. --Buch-t (talk) 11:03, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Type D6

Found spelling D6, D.6, D-6 and D 6. We can kept Type D6 here on commons.
There were different types with D6 in the model name. We have en:Delage D6 - one article for all. On German I will write different articles and one overview-article D6. I think that we need a overview-category for D6 with many subcategories. So we can use the overview-category for the overview-articles and the subcategories for the special articles.
In the moment it is wrong at fr:Delage D6 and it:Delage D6 with Commonscat to one special type Category:Delage D6.70.
I hope you understand my problem.

Modell (model)	amtliche Genehmigung (mines-date)	Vermarktung von – bis (offered from – to)	Hubraum cm³ (cc)	Anmerkung (text)
de:Delage Type D.6 (1929)	03.10.1929	1930–1932	3045	auch D.6 L
de:Delage Type D.6.11	08.09.1932	1933–1935	2001	11 CV, auch D.6.11 L und D.6.11 S
de:Delage Type D.6.65	03.10.1934	1934–1935	2678	65 PS
de:Delage Type D.6.80	10.04.1935	1935	2678	80 PS
de:Delage Type D.6.60	12.11.1935	1935–1937	2529	etwa 60 PS
de:Delage Type D.6.70	12.11.1935	1935–1938	2729	etwa 70 PS
de:Delage Type D.6.80 B	14.03.1936	1936–1937	3227 und 3558
de:Delage Type D.6.75	15.09.1938	1939	2798
de:Delage Type D 6-3 Litres	11.04.1939	1939–1954	2988

--Buch-t (talk) 11:03, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

@Eddaido: Now I have written de:Delage Type D.6 and de:Delage Type D.8. I need a Commons-category including every model beginning with D6. Do you have an idea?

The same category is needed for en:Delage D6. --Buch-t (talk) 08:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

I want to create a new category Delage Type D6 (1929) for the model Type D.6 introduced 3 October 1929 and marketed from 1930 to 1932 and move all files for this model to the new category. Then we have an empty category Delage Type D6. After that I put all categories beginning with Delage Type D6 under the existing category Delage Type D6. I think it is perfect for articles like de:Delage Type D.6 and en:Delage D6 which are describing everything beginning with Delage Type D6. --Buch-t (talk) 14:29, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

@Buch-t: Many thanks for consulting me. You always make good rational decisions. Right now I'm unable to contribute the way I want to and I'm very happy that you do what you see to be correct, I'm sure it will be. Best regards, Eddaido (talk) 09:01, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Done. --Buch-t (talk) 09:12, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Type D8

Found spelling D8, D.8, D-8 and D 8. We can kept Type D8 here on commons.
There were different types with D8 in the model name. We have en:Delage D8 - one article for all. On German I will write different articles and one overview-article D8. I think that we need a overview-category for D8 with many subcategories.

Modell	amtliche Genehmigung	Vermarktung von – bis	Hubraum cm³	Anmerkung
de:Delage Type D.8 (1929)	23.09.1929	1929–1934	4061	auch D.8 S
de:Delage Type D.8.15	03.07.1933	1934–1935	2668	15 CV, auch D.8.15 L und D.8.15 S
de:Delage Type D.8.85	05.09.1934	1934–1935	3571	85 PS
de:Delage Type D.8.105	17.11.1934	1934–1935	3571	105 PS
de:Delage Type D.8 RAM	02.03.1935	–	4061	1931, Prototyp mit Frontantrieb
de:Delage Type D.8.100	24.06.1936 19.10.1938	1936–1938 1939–1940	4303 4744	zwei Ausführungen, auch D.8.100 B
de:Delage Type D.8.120	07.08.1936 08.11.1937	1936–1937 1938–1939	4303 4744	zwei Ausführungen, auch D.8.120 S

--Buch-t (talk) 11:03, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

@Arnaud 25: Please look at this discussion and also at #Type D6. You added Category:Delage Type D8.120, Category:Delage Type D8.15, Category:Delage Type D8.105 and Category:Delage Type D8.100 to Category:Delage Type D8. It is that what I want to do. Additionally I want to create Category:Delage Type D8 (1929) for the first D8 introduced 23.09.1929 and marketed from 1929 to 1934. Then we have at Category:Delage Type D8 only subcategories for the different models.

I am not sure if it is right to keep Category:Delage Type D8.120, Category:Delage Type D8.15, Category:Delage Type D8.105 and Category:Delage Type D8.100 directly under Category:Delage automobiles. --Buch-t (talk) 08:11, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Full support for this categorization. mr.choppers (talk)^-en- 03:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Be careful with Mr Choppers — my last blazing row with him was because he wanted all International trucks to be called International Harvester. As he so often does he has since changed his mind and thinks they should all have Harvester stripped from them. Eddaido (talk) 04:31, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what you are thinking in trying to throw dirt on me at this page, but here is my edit from September 2017 where I stated my full support for your proposal to drop "Harvester". I would go so far as to say that any rows we have had are 100% your doing. mr.choppers (talk)^-en- 04:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Not dirt, just the truth. That, I expect, was when to my complete astonishment you changed your mind. You are currently in the process of destroying more of my lengthy work at International trucks, Why did you come to this page? Eddaido (talk) 04:58, 20 February 2020 (UTC)