User talk:Magog the Ogre/Archive 28

Missing license tags

Hi, thanks for pointing out the missing license tags in my recent upload. Somehow they got removed in the script. I’ll add tags as soon as possible. Ambrosiani (talk) 06:44, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Cleanup script

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Lyell_1840.jpg&curid=79298384&diff=353336292&oldid=352911043

Why did it remove {{En}}? - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 08:03, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: the {{Depicted person}} template is already internationalized so it should handle all the languages. E.g., see in Spanish. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:30, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh I see now, you moved the description to the source field.. which is rather odd and doesn't tell us where this jpg came from. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 18:48, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

It kinda does though, although I admit it was a close call. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Copyright status: File:LogoINRIM.png

immagine trovata su sito ufficiale http://www.inrim.it come faccio a modificarla puoi farlo tu? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScialpiGP (talk • contribs) 16:36, June 10, 2019‎ (UTC)

@ScialpiGP: I can't understand Italian. Please follow the instructions on your talk page, which exist in your own language. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre:I found the image on Inrim official web page www.inrim.it, can you set the correct copyright for me please? ScialpiGP

Imagenes

@Magog the Ogre: ¿Podría aprobar estas imágenes?File:Abraham Maslow.jpg,File:Concha Michel.jpg,File:Wolfgang Köhler.jpg,File:Lalo Brito.jpg,File:Manuel Mapples Arce.jpg,File:Xavier Guerrero y Francisca Moreno.jpg --Xoaw (talk) 17:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Xoaw:

• File:Abraham Maslow.jpg - No estoy seguro que ésta fue publicada (no creada) antes de 1978. ¿Puedes probarlo?
• File:Wolfgang Köhler.jpg - ¿El autor sí es desconocido, o solomente no lo dice la fuente? Hay un distinción. Si sí, ¿estamos seguros que la foto fue publicada antes de 1949?
• File:Manuel Mapples Arce.jpg - El mismo problema que tiene Wolfgang. Además, la licencia es incorrecta.

Los otros parecen bien. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:43, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre: Gracias por aprobar mis imágenes,la imagen de Abraham Maslow no encontré más información,sólo la fecha. @Magog the Ogre: Disculpe las molestias,pero,¿Podría hacerme el favor de aprobar más imágenes?,como éstas: File:Germán List Arzubide.jpg,File:Germán Cueto.jpg,File:Julio Antonio Mella.jpg,File:Julio Antonio Mella 2.jpg,por favor--Xoaw (talk) 16:06, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre: Y estas otras por favor,File:Paulo Londra en Cuidad Mendoza.jpg,File:Paulo Londra.jpg,File:Paulo Londra concierto.jpg,File:Sathya Sai Baba 2013 stamp of India.jpg--Xoaw (talk) 16:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre: Y esta por favor File:Naasón Joaquín.jpg --Xoaw (talk) 22:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Gargantuan gallery pages

Hi Magog - your OgreBot has created a number of gargantuan gallery pages, like Commons:Wikimedia Österreich/recent uploads/2018 October. These are so large that they do not load properly, and are impossible to edit without crashing the would-be editor's computer. Could you split them up into multiple smaller pages (e.g. uploads per day, not per month), please. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 10:34, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Jean-Frédéric: you added this gallery. Could you please this fix immediately? If not, I will delete the pages altogether, since large galleries are harmful both to the server and the user's browser. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:40, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the action on this! - MPF (talk) 00:53, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I had misconfigured that gallery (it was supposed to gather waaaay fewer files) and never got around getting what was wrong :-(

Thanks for the ping − removed the config for OgreBot and deleted all the subpages.

Jean-Fred (talk) 08:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Solución

@Magog the Ogre: Sobre ésta imagen File:MANUEL RODRIGUEZ LOZANO CATALOGO.png,ya encontré la pagina de donde vino,http://www.revistadelauniversidad.unam.mx/9311/bradu/93bradu.html, por favor quite su mensaje de eliminación,por favor--Xoaw (talk) 22:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre: Por favor--Xoaw (talk) 22:43, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre: Por favor responda--Xoaw (talk) 16:51, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

@Xoaw: alguien ya lo quitó. Sin embargo, tú puedes quitar esa mensaje mientras que proveas una fuente sólida. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Momni Page Deletion

Hi Magog the Ogre! I was wondering why you took down the Momni page, the wording was objective and it was not promotional. It followed the instructions when it came to references reliable and trusted sources. In my mind it seemed to fill all of the requirements it needed to be on wikipedia. I would love to know what your thought process was on this! Thank you!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timtanman (talk • contribs) 15:15, June 14, 2019‎ (UTC)

@Timtanman: The pages were deleted on English Wikipedia by User:Jimfbleak and User:SlimVirgin. The only thing I deleted was the logo you uploaded based on the deletions by the first two administrators. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Query

Hello Magog the Ogre. Hope that you can clarify my doubts on this. You uploaded this file on en.wiki and tagged it with "Do not copy to commons". However, I found a similar file here on commons and it is used across 30-40 wikis at the moment. I wonder if the one on commons might be a non-free file. 大诺史 (talk) 10:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

The file on commons is also used on the French Wikipedia, which is considerably more strict in its rules. 大诺史 (talk) 10:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

COM:AN

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Commons:Administrators noticeboard#Threathening / disruptive behaviour by admin. In case you missed Jcb's ping. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 17:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC).

Re: Copyright status: File:Inti-logo.png

Hi Magog! The logo belongs to the Argentinian Government and therefore is in public domain. I work there and the logo is the one you can see here: https://www.inti.gob.ar/ but designed to fit in an email. In fact, is update of the file INTI.svg but I don't know how to replace it. It is the same licence. Can you help me with this? Many thanks --René Godoy (talk) 19:42, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@René Godoy: not all works published by the Argentine government are public domain. There are some exemptions laid out here: Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Argentina/es, but I don't see how any of them applies to a school. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:24, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Magog INTI is not a School, is an office from the Government under the . It is called "Institute" but it belongs to the Ministry of Production because it is focused on Technology research. The licence is {PD-AR-Gov} and should be changed. Many thanks! --René Godoy (talk) 10:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

File:CurrencyinCirculation.png

The source information was there, but I've since made it more explicit and put it in the right place. If anything else is needed to get the nsd tag removed, please let me know. Wikiacc (talk) 13:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

@Wikiacc: no it's fine, you can remove the nsd tag as long as it has a source. In this case I didn't realize the author was actually the source. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:58, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

File:Helen magill.jpg

Sorry, I was not the one to upload it, I just uploaded a better version. The original uploader was Xtreambar, and sorry, but I do not remember where I found the better version. Anyway it's a 1873 photo, so I suppose the public domain template can be used. Other than that I cannot be of much help --Elisa Rolle 17:43, 20 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisa.rolle (talk • contribs)

@Elisa.rolle: yeah sorry, the script errs on the side of caution and automatically warns the uploaders, even if they don't have anything to do with the source. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:00, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

User:HirmizM

Hi, I'm fairly certain that most of the images uploaded by this user are copyright violations. See here.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:14, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre The founder of PermaGo gave me permission to use these images, how do I prove that — Preceding unsigned comment added by HirmizM (talk • contribs) 21:21, June 26, 2019‎ (UTC)

@Bbb23, HirmizM: I've tagged the images and left a note on the uploader's talk page with instructions. Please let me know if you have any questions. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

fyi

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ras67 - sent the message https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JarrahTree&oldid=356151058 - which is why I undeleted the item - I was surpised to see https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Expedition_59_Soyuz_MS-11_Landing_(NHQ201906250003).jpg&curid=79980060&action=history - anyways thats the diffs... JarrahTree (talk) 09:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: you can't delete an image, you're not an administrator. Instead you need to tag it {{Duplicate}}. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

fascinating, how do you come to that conclusion ? JarrahTree (talk) 07:36, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) omg did you casually desysop JarrahTree? - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 07:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

no comment on that JarrahTree (talk) 07:45, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: I see it now. When I looked at the file history, all I saw was an attempt to redirect a file (link). I figured you were the usual noob making the same mistake. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

fair enough... enough said JarrahTree (talk) 23:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Deleting Hockey Team logos?

Why did you delete a hockey team logo off wikimedia? (EC VSV) AlexMPgh412 (talk) 01:10, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

@AlexMPgh412: The reason is linked right there in the deletion rationale. May I ask, are you the artist? If so, and you are willing to release the logo under a free license, we can undelete it. If not, we can upload the logo to English Wikipedia where it can be used. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:59, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

User:Daniel C. Boyer

Last week, you deleted a previously deleted image re-uploaded by this user. Today he has re-uploaded another previously deleted image, File:Marker and marmalade drawing.jpg. I nominated it for deletion before seeing your message on his talk page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:06, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

ogrebot2

I mistyped "own" as "{own" on some uploads. The changes of 200 files by your bot made it not really better:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:2019_CSD_K%C3%B6lm_001.jpg&curid=80254061&diff=357659070&oldid=357482772

--C.Suthorn (talk) 03:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@C.Suthorn: I've never seen that one. The bot does get confused by malformed input (GIGO). I'll take a look and see if I can fix it. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:05, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

misbehaving galleries

Hello Magog the Ogre,

You have removed misbehaving galleries bur at least one part was ok - "* [[:Category:Media from the Israeli Police]] | [[User:geagea/Media from the Israeli Police/New files]] | 200x200 DAYS_PER_GALLERY(1)". It's ment to be for reviewing new files uploaded according to {{IsraeliPoliceLicense}}.
And about the other part/s. Can you help me how to fix them to be ok. They are needed. -- Geagea (talk) 10:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@Geagea: can you please monitor the galleries and identify any categories that should be removed if they fail? I got pinged for your galleries quite a bit before I removed them. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:21, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Ya. Will make 2 galleries. The first one definitely didn't made problems and will check every notification about the second gallery. -- Geagea (talk) 11:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

@Geagea: so how would you like me to implmement this? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

first I'll put back: "* [[:Category:Media from the Israeli Police]] | [[User:geagea/Media from the Israeli Police/New files]] | 200x200 DAYS_PER_GALLERY(1)". - this one does not make problem. I'll go through the problems in my talk page and tru to solve them. Then I will add category Israel and will see if there are more problems. Eventually I believe it will be ok. -- Geagea (talk) 21:15, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Your edit

Hi,

Concerning File:Tłok pieczęci powstańczej Rypina z 1863 r. - pamiątka rodzinna po powstańcu styczniowym Antonim Janowiczu (1839-1921).jpg and your edit there: the file did have a proper license tag, which was later removed by the original uploader in an attempt to revoke the license. As far as I understand, releasing the rights while uploading is irrevocable, and hence that action was legally futile. On the other hand, the file is a 2D copy of a 2D object (seal from 1863), which makes it dubious if the upolader indeed had any rights whatsoever.

Gżdacz (talk) 09:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

@Gżdacz: on Commons, we consider coins to be 3D objects, so the license is not dubious. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Gżdacz (talk) 20:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Madonna della Guardia - Ornavasso 1.jpg

Hello, I fixed the license tag for File:Madonna della Guardia - Ornavasso 1.jpg.--Moroboshi (talk) 02:55, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Vandal

You became tricked by wandal. I managed to convince staff that he should be banned: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Rypinianin , I too RVVed all his vandalisms. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2001:985:D5D4:1:A00:27FF:FEA6:A2E7 (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Mass remove

Hi Magog. Is there a way that you can solve the error "Unstrip size limit exceeded (5,000,000)" as seen on numerous recent upload pages. E.g. Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2014 May 3. Perhaps you can tweek the bot to just put the file name without the File: part and it can reduce the page size by about 30-40k bytes. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 16:41, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@大诺史: thanks for the note. The gallery is not supposed to get that big so I deleted it. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:54, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

There are also a lot more of such galleries. Could I just linked them on my sandbox for you to delete? 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 23:39, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

That's fine, or just link me the category. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:14, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

These are the pages for WikiProject Aviation, others are at Category:Pages where the unstrip size limit is exceeded. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 14:18, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2012 August 11-20

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2012 December 21-31

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 August 21-31

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 January 21-31

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 July 1-10

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 July 11-20

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 July 21-31

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 June 21-30

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 November 2

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 November 3

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 September 21-25

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2013 September 26-30

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2014 February 12

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2014 February 17

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2014 January 28

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2014 March 29

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2014 May 4

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2017 April 28

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2017 April 29

Commons:WikiProject Aviation/recent uploads/2018 July 13/Overflow 1

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Nadodi Mannan.jpg

Why did you nominate the file for deletion? Please respond to my comments at the above-linked page. --Kailash29792 (talk) 17:00, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: sorry I didn't read the history close enough and I assumed I'd responded to you. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Deletion

Hi Magog, is there really a need to keep these pages? Asking you since you are the bot owner.

• User:OgreBot/Uploads by new users/Archives/2011
• User:OgreBot/Uploads by new users/Archives/2012

大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 14:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

No, I've deleted them. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 14:47, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

LGBT+ Conservatives

Hi there, I was somewhat surprised to see that File:LGBT+_Conservatives_Logo.svg had been deleted for Copyright Violation. Was this simply a tagging issue or something else? I am unable to see the deleted file to check, but blanket deletion of all political party logos would seem to be a fairly major step. Thanks. NoNotI (talk) 18:34, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

@NoNotI: The source of confusion here is where we host the logo. Wikimedia Commons only allows free logos, namely, those that have fallen into the public domain, those whose copyright is explicitly released by the organization, or those which are too simple for copyright. Wikipedia must host all copyrightable logos with a fair use rationale. This image was improperly tagged as too simple for copyright, i.e., below the threshold of originality. It should never have been uploaded to Commons without permission from the copyright holder.

Let me know if you have any other questions. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

File:Euler diagram of solar system bodies.ar.png

The file exists in commons, but only modifies the language (Arabic) (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_solar_system_bodies.svg).--Bander7799 (talk) 04:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Bander7799: it still needs a license template. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

File:Ciudad de México 0729.JPG

Hi, I uploaded the picture with the {{FoP-Mexico}} tag, isn't it enough? --Phyrexian ɸ 01:58, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

@Phyrexian: no, the photograph needs a license. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:01, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm the photographer and the uploader, I'm willing to release the picture in the public domain, can you show me the right way to state this in the file informations? Of course this also apply to File:Ciudad de México 0731.JPG. --Phyrexian ɸ 02:05, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

@Phyrexian: I've done this. Your license works well, but personally I prefer {{self|cc-zero}} since it carries more legal authority. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:08, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Also I have a question, I need to put a licence tag to wathever picture that is already in the public domain just because I shot the photograph? Like those pictures of anciend artworks I uploaded recently: 1 2 3 4 5. Could you also check if the tags in those pictures are allright? Thank you very much. :-) --Phyrexian ɸ 18:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

@Phyrexian: No, you only need to license 3D artwork photos, 2D artwork photographed at an angle, or 2D artwork with other elements. The first one you provided above has a frame, so it might need a license. The latter two defintiely do not.

Nonetheless, you can add the {{Licensed PD-art}} template to be sure. Wikimedia generally takes the position that photographs of 2D artwork are not copyrightable, but that template adds special protection in court cases or countries where it is. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Done, thank you for the advices. I quite know how all this licence stuff works, but I always have troubles in finding the right templates here on Commons. :-) --Phyrexian ɸ 19:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

User:栗原 岳

Hello.It seems that all user images are historical and not free ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 13:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: Thank you. Nonetheless, I don't see any particular reason to doubt these are self-created. They are from similar photography, and none appears via Google image search. I can't speak for your country but it's actually pretty common hobby to photograph trains.

Also, may I recommend you make a small change to your signature to wrap it in <bdi> tags, as I did above? This isolates your signature so the date appears correctly. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:00, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks, Magog, I think I have added the license information for the images ... but cannot, I'm sorry to say, make heads or tails of the help pages for adding script. Tried to do it through visual editor ... not sure it worked ...

Snaffie (talk) 23:36, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Snaffie: You did not but I fixed this for you.[1][2] Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:55, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Suggestions

Hi Magog. I would like to discuss with you the feasibility of having OgreBot update all User:OgreBot/Uploads by new users/ subpages after a specific amount of time (e.g. update every week). This is to facilitate patrollers or whoever is looking at the pages to have a more up-to-date info, also the update reduces the clutter as there might be a lot of files that are deleted by are still linked at the page. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 06:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@大诺史: that is a good idea. @EugeneZelenko: do you think I would need a separate request to authorize this, or can it go under the current authorization for the bot? Thanks. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:49, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

PS. Once a week is definitely too often, there are thousands of galleries. I'd go with maybe several times per year, tops. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

How about having the first update to be 2 weeks later, and subsequent be per month? As quite a number of the files will be gone in the first 2 weeks. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 01:16, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

I think manual updates are good enough. It's always reasonable to have most up-to-date version before starting patrolling and automatic update could not archive this. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Behavioural evidence

Hi Magog. As I’m unsure about this, I’d like to clarify some doubts. Will a CU conduct checks on accounts based on behavioural evidence (File naming conventions, way of editing, etc.)? 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 16:24, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@大诺史: yes, although I can't guarantee we will honor it. If feasible, the request should be made in public. If you are worried about divulging personal details or embarrassing current editors, you can send an email to any checkuser. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

CheckUser

Hi In others Wikimedia projects, CheckUsers requests who are the same than the last are rejected for lack of evidence. I could give you arguments that the request were not legitimate. I could also ask others CheckUsers from others projects. If you consider that it is legitimate it will be a precedent here and in others Wikipedia projects.

Who I could ask to contest it? Here there are no arbitration commission. Also is a vandalism to replace and updated version by an outdated? --Panam2014 (talk) 03:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

@Panam2014: I will respond to you on ANU. Please stop spreading this conversation across multiple talk pages. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:14, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

画像について

画像は削除していいです。 加美宮間打 浩一郎 (talk) 22:58, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Wawa and Berkshire Bank

Please update the Wawa map. Countless new locations in Florida have opened down there since 2012. Also, I'd love it if you create a Berkshire Bank map. According to their website, they're in CT, MA, VT, PA, NY, and NJ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas J. Seymour (talk • contribs) 19:37, August 4, 2019‎ (UTC)

@Thomas J. Seymour: I've uploaded the Berkshire map here: File:Berkshire Bank footprint.png.

The Wawa map will be much more difficult. I can't promise anything. To explain: most sites have changed since I first created these maps, and they no longer list all of the locations in one place. Instead, one has to get clever about using zip codes and reading from their store locator. Even that isn't always possible, since they use protected APIs. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

File:Turin-a-i.jpg

Hello!

You sen me request for licensong status of the file Turin-a-i.jpg. But I already stored (cited) information about license on the wiki-page of the downloaded file. The author (rus: Евгений Скляревский, en: Evgeniy Skl'arevskiy) published the photoes and text for public domain without conditions, please look copyright (really copyleft) line on the bottom of the specified WEB page: https://mytashkent.uz/2011/12/19/krasota-mira-ot-aleksandra-tyurina/ (source page of the photo) contain text:

© :-) На самом деле Copyleft. 12 августа 2006 г. » 2011 » ... » ∞ Копирование и распространение материалов разрешено без ограничений. Ссылка не обязательна, но желательна. 

Translation:

© :-) In fact «Copyleft». 12 august 2006 y. → 2011 → … → ∞ Copiing and distribution of the matherials permitted without restrictions. The link isn't obligatory but desirable.

--Grumbler eburg (talk) 21:31, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

@Grumbler eburg: all uploaded content must have a license tag, not just a text explanation. In your case, it looks like {{Copyleft}} would suffice. Please add the tag and feel free to remove the notice. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for explanation. I can't look {{copyleft}} on help page of the file-add-wisard as permitted (recommended) issue for the copyright notice. --Grumbler eburg (talk) 01:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

files I uploaded (copyright message)

Hi. I created and uploaded those files (oil balance, gas galance, coal balance) using a python bot. In the previous years, my script only created the files and I uploaded them manually.

Most of the new files replaced old ones, as updates. This the licensing was already in place. Indeed a few files came as new ones, not updates. They don't have a copyright choice, i'll look into it. Raminagrobis (talk) 11:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

File:Hansa Market Logo.png

If this is the same file as en:File:Logo of Hansa market.png, I'm not sure how it's above the threshold of originality. The ship shape is extremely simple, with only a silhouette, no details, and a solid fill color. As far as originality goes, it's just a hull with rudder, mast, and basic sail. These are very common and basic elements of old-style ships. Opencooper (talk) 03:09, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Opencooper: a simple shape is not copyrightable. A series of simple shapes eventually passes the threshold. If you look at COM:TOO you will see this is almost certainly above the threshold. As such, I cannot in good faith restore the file at this time. If you'd like to appeal, feel free to make a request at COM:UNDEL. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

speedy

Hi Magog. Please speedy this file. Thanks. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 16:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@大诺史: sorry, that doesn't fit the criteria for speedy deletion, but I did nominate for deletion on copyright grounds. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:59, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

File:Faces example (neural-enhance).png

The repo uses GNU Affero General Public License v3.0, which is for all practical purposes the same as GPL, but not identical. Feel free to create the necessary templates! Jeblad (talk) 21:11, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

User:Andycardozo24

Would you mind if I made the block you did on this account indefinite? The chance of them learning licensing is incredibly slim and I already said that if they continued to upload copyright violations the next time would be indefinite. They appear to only be focusing on that one logo and will do anything to get it forced on here. --Majora (talk) 21:03, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

@Majora: no need, I've deep sixed him. CU evidence showed he's used abused at least one other account, and given this travesty, probably several more. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

File:Ali Abdullah Saleh - Putin meeting 2010-06-30.jpg

What are you talking about "missing license"? It is clearly {{Kremlin.ru}} and labeled as such. If you question http://archive.government.ru/ as an official archive site, you only have to do a little reading. You can click "Eng" for an English version, but to be honest, Google translate is probably better. Cheers, --SVTCobra 21:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: it is your responsibility to add a license to the images you upload. You have added a source but no license tag, which is why the page is currently tagged as missing a license in the categories on the bottom. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Look at it! It has the {{Kremlin.ru}} license in the section called "Licensing". I added it upon upload. You keep insisting it doesn't exist! Are we in parallel universes? --SVTCobra 02:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: if you read the documentation on the template you just provided, you will see that it is not a license template. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Yikes, because that is the license for a lot of photos as far as I can tell. But nevermind that, I added CC BY 4.0 without deleting the (whateveritis about kremlin.ru) in the hopes of solving this problem. --SVTCobra 02:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Replacing superseded images

I want you to do me a favor, and replace File:WestJapanRailwayCompanyType223-1.JPG with the superior PNG file of the same name. Calvinkulit (talk) 09:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

File deletion after License Review

Magog, I sent you an email yesterday but had no reply, questioning your deletion of ‎File:Eduardo Feinmann en TV.jpg‎. As the admin who did the License Review and verified that the video is licensed CC-BY per COM:YT, kindly explain.  JGHowes  ^talk 22:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@JGHowes: sorry it all slipped my mind. Not good work on my part in either respect. Please undelete. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:53, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

File:Harvard Lampoon Basement Floorplan.jpg

I'm trying to add copyright information to File:Harvard Lampoon Basement Floorplan.jpg, but I'm not sure how. It's in the public domain, as it's a public record from the state of Massachusetts. Is there someplace I should add that in? Eddy23 (talk) 21:53, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

@Eddy23: Your image may fall under {{PD-MAGov}}. I am not familiar enough with the Massachusetts public domain statute to be sure. If you are sure, you can add that template to the page. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Added. Eddy23 (talk) 16:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

about File:Tunisia 2019 U19 WCH.png

this file is from wikipedia English at this source [[3]] and it is legal 100% thank you Hesham Hussain (talk) 22:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hesham Hussain: Commons has different rules than Wikipedia. Wikipedia uses fair use, but Commons does not. The message on your talk page tries to convey this, although it isn't very clear for a new user. Anyway we cannot host it. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:19, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

yes I understand now thank you Magog the Ogre Hesham Hussain (talk) 02:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

about File:IPDFA logo.png File:Logo POSA.svg File:CID UNESCO.svg and File:FFD-logo.svg

Hi, those images are logos of national and international sport federations (IPDFA, POSA, FFD) and a UNESCO/UN department (CID), I think these kind of logos are used all over the place in Wikipedia and are usually available on Wcommons... Am I getting someting wrong? Polegeek (talk) 11:18, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

@PoleGeek: Commons has different rules than Wikipedia. Wikipedia uses fair use, but Commons does not. Do you have permission from the organization in question to post the image under a free license? If not, then you can upload to French Wikipedia as fair use. Let me know if you need help with that, and I can get a French-speaking administrator. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:28, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

about File:Most Popular Wikipedia Articles of the Week (August 11 to 17, 2019).png

I only credit Eliasdabbas because it's his tool, free to use, that generates those graphs. When the man himself uploads, he chooses the CC-4 license. It must have no problems. In any case, I asked Elias for input. Igordebraga (talk) 04:38, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

@Igordebraga: if Eliasdabbas created the HTML with the output, then he owns the creativity rights. If Elias confirms the copyright, it will be fine; that's all I'm asking for. We cannot choose a license on his behalf; that's not how things work. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre (talk) Thanks. Anyone is free to use the tool. It is open-source and free, and I just added a license to make it clear that anyone can use it for any purpose: https://github.com/eliasdabbas/wikipedia_top_25. Let me know if anything else is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliasdabbas (talk • contribs) 13:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

EC VSV Logo

I am the artist but it's a trademark. And now someone contributed something that's not even their actual logo 🤦🏻‍♂️ AlexMPgh412 (talk) 04:42, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

@AlexMPgh412: I never heard back from you after my initial response. Would it help if I got a German speaker? If you verify your identity, you can upload whatever you want. I can't help you otherwise. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

okay how do i verify my identity? AlexMPgh412 (talk) 02:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Request

can you change all my files to

CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 DE — Preceding unsigned comment added by KnochenJochen (talk • contribs) 10:42, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@KnochenJochen: No. Commons requires files to allow both commercial and derivative reuse. Please choose another license or the files will be deleted. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:42, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay then without the nc CC BY-ND 3.0 DE — Preceding unsigned comment added by KnochenJochen (talk • contribs) 06:11, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@KnochenJochen: Commons requires files to allow both commercial and derivative reuse. Only some version of cc-zero, cc-by, and cc-by-sa are acceptable. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

WHY ?!?!?

then

CC-BY 3.0 DE !! KnochenJochen (talk) 19:14, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@KnochenJochen: why? The rationale is explained in the header at Commons:Licensing/de. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:02, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Q

Hi Magog, is there a way to configure Ogrebot to create a gallery just by reading the EXIF of the file? For example, a file that was uploaded from facebook will have FB........ in the EXIF. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 05:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Would be great if it could Gbawden (talk) 08:56, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

@大诺史: Actually yes, although it would be easiest to include it on User:OgreBot/Notable uploads. Do you have some examples I could base it on? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:34, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

You can take a look at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Kirtan Fadia, but they might get deleted soon. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 01:49, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Gbawden: Would it be better if there is a separate page for FB uploads so it’ll be easier to nuke with VFC? 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 01:51, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes it would be preferable to have a separate page for those with FB MD. Gbawden (talk) 06:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

That's not easily doable right now. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:40, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

You can take your time to do it as the situation seems to be under control at the moment. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 02:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@大诺史: are you sure about that? I added it to the upload report and found dozens per day: User:OgreBot/Notable uploads/2019 September 4. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

LOL it seems not... 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 04:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

@Gbawden: After looking through the page I realised that the only way is to nom the files one by one as some files have OTRS or a possibly verified FB account such as for File:2019-09-01 Scott Morrison and Taur Matan Ruak.jpg. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 04:56, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Magog for looking into it anyway Gbawden (talk) 15:44, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of Video_tweeted_by_President_Donald_Trump_—_September_6,_2019.webm

I find the deletion of the video to be perfunctory and inadequately justified. Soibangla (talk) 21:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump&diff=914682536&oldid=914581097

@Soibangla: Please familiarize yourself with Commons fair use policy (i.e., it isn't allowed), which I spelled out for you in the deletion rationale, even linking the policy itself. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:21, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

File:Ardengo soffici, copertina per bïf§zf+18 simultaneità e chimismi lirici, 1915.jpg

Excuse me, why you did not read the template with OTRS? Please do not cancel superficially the files, we had authorization to upload that. Please restore, thank you. --Sailko (talk) 05:50, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sailko: I did, but it looks like I might have been confused. The page states that the files are authorized "only for 2019 WLM Italia", which I interpreted to mean they aren't allowed to be used elsewhere. Can you clarify why that wording is present? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:43, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi! it means upload can be done only during WLM 2019, but the use is free. This is a new template we made after we received many authorizations ofr works of art not in PD, so if you suggest we may make the text clearer. Thank you --Sailko (talk) 17:12, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sailko: You might want to rewrite it to say "this only applies to works of art uploaded during WLM 2019." This clarifies that anyone can use the images. Also, what is the license with which the museum released the work of art? I presume that Ardengo Soffici's estate transferred them all the rights? Also, why did you list yourself as the copyright holder? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! The licence is the one that comes normally from Wiki Loves monuments (cc-by-sa). As regards the copyright holder, I am just the author of the photograph, and this is a problem of the Upload wizard we have noticed since many years... My name should come up in a "photographer" field, not as the "author", we all know, but nobody seems interested in fixing this problem we have reported so many times, and I cannot do it manually for my 200k files. Thank you. --Sailko (talk) 06:15, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sailko: I'm sorry, but that doesn't fly. You have 440,000 edits and you know how to use wikitext. The license in question requires the actual copyright holder to be named, not for you to ignore it because you couldn't and still can't be arsed to do things the right way. Please fix your uploads; as it stands they're a copyright violation. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:25, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

I cannot change manually each file I upload and I am not so familiar with alternativa upload template, but I have many users fixing files here and there. In this case I added a creator template, but it is obvious I am not a painter, I name the files very clearly, and this already takes me hour and hours. --Sailko (talk) 19:33, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

(OTRS) Please ...

... proceed speedy deletion of File:Frankfurt,_Hauptfriedhof,_Grab_C_237_Bartelt-Delhées.JPG Doc Taxon (talk) 01:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

1840459M.VARUN

The image was deleted on commons by you and reuploaded by the same user. see logs. This is a free image though. I was about to F8 it on En Wikipedia but thought of leaving a note first. DBigXrayᗙ 11:46, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@DBigXray: maybe some of his images were free, but they were all falsely sourced. If an uploader is mixing free with unfree images and missourcing all of them, it's going to take me a long time to figure out which is which. It's easier to just nuke them and let the uploader fix the source later. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes. I have F8ed the wiki image again. regards DBigXrayᗙ 05:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

No license tagging for Pyb

File:Père-Lachaise - Division 51 - Sichel 03-2.jpg does have a license. It's just hiding a bit. You shouldn't tag these files with {{No license}}. It is nice to inform @Pyb: that something went wrong during upload. Multichill (talk) 19:21, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

@Multichill: No, I'm content with the way I handled it. For what it's worth, you might consider the advice of the saying you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 19:56, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

User:OgreBot/gallery

Hi Magog, can you help me add * Category:2019 in Hong Kong(depth=15) | User:大诺史/Hong Kong | DAYS_PER_GALLERY(1) into User:OgreBot/gallery since its admin protected? The depth might be a little to big but I want to catch everything uploaded by the user who overcats his files. Thanks 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 11:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Mi ha fatto piacere di avervi tutti conosciuti compreso te "Magog the Ogre"...

Mi ha fatto piacere di avervi tutti conosciuti compreso te "Magog the Ogre"..., e tanti saluti a voi tutti da parte mia (io sono).

Ciao :-) io sono (Andrea Cosimo D'Amicis, nato il 08.09.1964 a Barletta)

P.S.: Niente rimane nascosto! (con delega di DIO-PADRE-ABBA e Signore)

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https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Andrea+Cosimo+D%27Amicis&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Andrea_Cosimo_D_Amicis.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Andrea_Cosimo_D_Amicis.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Il_libro_della_verit%C3%A0!_(per_tutti).pdf

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Il_libro_della_verit%C3%A0%21_%28per_tutti%29.pdf

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vom_Autor_auf_deutsch_%C3%BCbersetzt_-_das_Buch_der_Wahrheit!_(f%C3%BCr_alle).pdf

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Vom_Autor_auf_deutsch_%C3%BCbersetzt_-_das_Buch_der_Wahrheit%21_%28f%C3%BCr_alle%29.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.246.144.13 (talk) 13:33, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking of me here... Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:16, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

w:en:User:Locke Cole

I want you to do me a favour and delete all of the mentioned user's uploads with commons duplicates on enwiki. Please disregard the {{keeplocal}} template. Calvinkulit (talk) 03:37, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

@Calvinkulit: Why should I ignore the keeplocal? Unless the user has consented, the keeplocal tag means it is not eligible for speedy deletion. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Because there is no valid reason. Calvinkulit (talk) 23:18, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

I feel like the {{keeplocal}} template should only be used on high-risk files. Calvinkulit (talk) 06:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Calvinkulit: The relevant policy says nothing about intent, and given the original discussion for inclusion of said criterion makes it clear that is intentional. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Ask them why they want to keep the files locally. Calvinkulit (talk) 09:10, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Calvinkulit: I told you I'm not doing it, and rather than take a hint, you're demanding that I do something which you could do just as easily? Are you seriously that dense? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:51, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm indef blocked on enwiki. Calvinkulit (talk) 22:55, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Calvinkulit: this user is active on Commons. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:31, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:French_football.png

Tagged with {{NowCommons}} Calvinkulit (talk) 10:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Designer Jean

You deleted a picture that was already confirmed by FlickrevieweR 2 and was confirmed licensed under the term of cc-zero. Check this link which has clearly mentioned that Peter Golding has renamed his account and holds the authority to license this picture. He released the picture under the right license. I seriously don't understand the reason for deleting a picture that is confirmed. It was deleted first with the obvious reasons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Peter_Golding%27s_Designer_Jeans_Showcard_1970.jpg (ScorpionShark (talk) 08:50, 30 September 2019 (UTC))

(talk page stalker) @ScorpionShark: What Flickr file was this? - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 08:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

File:Designer Jean.jpg ::(ScorpionShark (talk) 09:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC))

@ScorpionShark: The Flickr link I mean.. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 11:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

https://flickr.com/photos/34161233@N03/25002440847/ (ScorpionShark (talk) 12:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC))

@ScorpionShark: Files which were previously deleted in a discussion are automatically subject to speedy deletion per COM:CSD#G4. If you'd like to appeal, I recommend you speak with User:Ronhjones, and if you don't find that fruitful, you can appeal at COM:UNDEL. We take appeals seriously so if see a convincing argument, an administrator will undelete your file. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Александр Мотин

I understand you, that block is too strong way in Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Александр Мотин, but what is about other ways from Commons sysop's arsenal - warning for example. He has proceed with personal attacks, and he as indef-blocked user in Ru-Wiki will have not heard any warning from ru-wiki sysop. Alex Spade (talk) 18:48, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Alex Spade: OK that's a bit worse. If it happens again let me know and I'll provide a polite warning. Honestly I'd suggest you let it go unless the attacks go over the top, or directs them at other users. Personal attack warnings usually induce the backfire effect and just make the situation worse. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 14:27, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Illustrazione di Aleksandr Benois per "Il cavaliere di bronzo".jpg

Hi! I modified the license for the file as requested, following the instructions of another similar file. I had pud PD-Russia instead of PD-RusEmpire.--Carmela Angela (talk) 22:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

@Carmela Angela: your post didn't add the template, and even if it did, you didn't add a date, so how do I know if it was published before the Revolution? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

The illustration is from 1916 as you can see from this site.--Carmela Angela (talk) 12:53, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Carmela Angela: ok thanks for the update! Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 14:20, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

RFA Support

Hi. Since I cannot edit on Commons:Administrators/Requests/Fitindia anymore, I wanted to thank you for your support on my recent successful RFA, Your trust and faith in my candidature is much appreciated and I could not have done it without your support. Warm regards FitIndia ^{Talk Mail} 15:04, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Re:

could you block this sock? thanks--109.115.17.117 14:42, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

User:OgreBot/Notable uploads/2019 October 7

Please take a look. Somehow report is missing :-( --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@EugeneZelenko: phab:T235011 Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:40, 11 October 2019 (UTC)