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My congratulations to the members of this project and thank you for contributing that exciting and stunning focus stacks. Well done! --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 04:17, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lb Uwe, vielen Dank, gerade von Dir weiß ich - jetzt für das gesamte Team - dieses Lob ganz besonders zu schätzen. Ja, es war ein Wahnsinnsprojekt! Nicht nur dass wir alle enorm viel gelernt haben, so war es auch eine extrem gute Erfahrung - 6 Tage Nettofotografierzeit je 10 Stunden (!), für mich und den Sammlungsinhaber waren es 9 Tage intensivster Arbeit. Von der Projektvorarbeit möchte ich gar nicht sprechen. Auch schafften wir es, auf sehr engem Raum ohne persönliche Konflikte durchzukommen, auch wenn schon so mancher kurzzeitig am Limit war. Im Ergebnis wird es leider nicht die gesamte Sammlung sein (wir hoffen, dass wir den Rest auch noch machen können, irgendwann/irgendwie), aber mit wahrscheinlich 800 fertige Fotos (Mal x, irgendwas zwischen 14-und 15.000 Einzelbilder, je nachdem wie klein das die Dinger waren, du kennst das ja) und möglicherweise 300 Videos ist auch die "Beute" herzeigbar. Dass es natürlich eine gewaltige Kraftanstrengung benötigt, das noch alles aufzuarbeiten, das weißt ja gerade du ganz genau, sicher wird es noch ein halbes Jahr Arbeit bedeuten, alles so abzuschließen, wie wir es uns vorstellen.
Aber es hat sich in jeder Hinsicht ausgezahlt! Ich bin sicher, dass der Schwerpunkt des Projekts, nämlich ausschließlich Qualitätsbilder zu schaffen, zum Maßstab für zukünftige, von mir angestrebten kleinen GLAM-Projekten werden wird. Auch wenn der technische Aufwand hoch erscheint, so war er doch überschaubar. Die gesamte Anlage mit zwei Arbeitstischen (Video und Fotografie) ist bereits vorhanden, wenn auch noch geringe Investitionen notwendig wären. Die Teammitglieder stehen bereit, für ähnliche Projekte die technische Leitung mitzuübernehmen. Jeder von uns 6 Leuten ist in der Lage, die Aufnahmesitutation so zu organisieren, dass jeder Neuling auch ohne Vorkenntnisse sofort einsteigen kann. Leider hatten wir wenig Zeit für Anderes, auch dem etwas zu kleinen Platzangebot geschuldet, da es nicht so ohne weiteres möglich gewesen wäre, noch weitere zwei Teilnehmer dazuzunehmen. Dann hätte man etwas mehr Softwareschulung (LR für Verwaltung/Magix für Video/Helicon Focus) machen können, ohne dass der kontinuierliche Aufnahmebetrieb darunter gelitten hätte.
Aber es war das erste Projekt dieser Art mit Produktfotografie, ausschließlich für und von Wikipedianern (keine Institution dabei) durchgezogen, in der diese Qualitätsanforderung die untere Latte darstellte. --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 (talk) 10:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC) PS: WMDE, WMAT und WMCH waren sehr kooperativ, jegliche Unterstützung ging ohne großen bürokratischen Aufwand!![reply]
Wie Du weisst, wäre ich ja auch gerne mit dabei gewesen - aber bedingt durch eine berufliche Umstrukturierung und einen Umbau im Haus war es einfach nicht drin. Aus meiner eigenen Erfahrung weiss ich natürlich, was so ein Groß-Projekt technisch und auch menschlich bedeutet und kann Dir und dem ganzen Team nur meinen allerhöchsten Respekt zollen. Sehr genial finde ich übrigens die Lichtabstimmung des Leuchttisches, der das nachträgliche Freistellen am Computer quasi völlig überflüssig macht. Was ich bis jetzt gesehen habe, ist einfach ganz grosses Kino! --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 11:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Uwe Ich bin überzeugt, dass wir mit erschwinglichen Mitteln noch einiges verbessern können, so war die Glasplatte auf dem Lichttisch ein Regalbrett von Ikea (15 Euro, sehr gut, weil sehr weiß), die runde Glasplatte auf dem Videotisch mit einem Meter Durchmesser (Transportproblem, wir hatten einen Groß-Van mit ausgebauten Sitzen!) von einem gebrauchten Balkontisch (im Internet erstanden um 20 Euro, leider mit etwas Grünstich, aber das haben die Glasplatten generell so an sich), der Hintergrund ist noch nicht perfekt ausgeleuchtet, da haben mir einfach noch zwei starke Softboxen mit Galgen gefehlt, auch bräuchte man idealerweise eine Tube für Spotlicht. Speziell bei größeren Objekten hatten wir so unsere Probleme. Auch ist es ein Irrtum zu glauben, dass man wirklich fuselfrei arbeiten kann, sogar auf der weißen Platte sieht man die Fuseln (in diesem Fall eben die dunklen), die man dann ausklonen muss. Alles viel Arbeit, aber geschenkt gibt es bekanntlicherweise nichts. Ich meine aber, dass so ein Leuchttisch mit einigermaßen kleinem Aufwand (insgesamt max 500 Euro) machbar ist (bitte kein Zelt, das ist schlichtweg Unfug!), aber da hat man damit schon max. 8KW (sic!) Kaltlichtlichtleistung (5.500K) und somit eine wirklich solide Grundausstattung für die jeweiligen Stadtbüros. Stromverbrauch real ca 1KW/h pro Arbeitstisch. Licht deswegen soviel, weil wegschalten kann man immer was, umgekehrt geht es leider nicht.Dazu vielleicht eine Drehbühne (ausborgbar von WMAT, kommt innerhalb von ein paar Tagen per Post). Zusammengepackt nimmt das wirklich wenig Platz weg. Dann kann man für größere Projekte alles gemeinsam an einen Ort schaffen und loslegen. Wo immer so ein Projekt dann auch stattfindet! Ein Mineralienprojekt im Fränkischen wird gerade vorbereitet, aber eher für nächstes Jahr, meine ich. --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 (talk) 11:33, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Als "member of this project" danke ich dir, CEphoto, Uwe Aranas, vielmals für deine so positiven Rückmeldungen - es war sehr viel und sehr harte Arbeit, aber sie hat sich, so sind wir überzeugt, mehr als ausgezahlt und wird sich auch nachfolgend auszahlen! Die umfangreichen "Nacharbeiten" stehen an - wir tun unser Möglichstes! LG --Papperlapap (talk) 15:36, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments High quality and nice project.--ArildV 07:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality but can you remove the dirt spot and the aura? --Cccefalon 06:12, 12 August 2015 (UTC)* ✓ Done, thanks for the hint, Uwe. No idea what the reason for the aura is, maybe during stacking! --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 11:19, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Good quality. Thanks for handling the issues. --Cccefalon 11:24, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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... der Nominierungen auf QIC: Eins schöner als das andere. Auch sehr schön, dass eine einheitliche Beleuchtung übers ganze Projekt durchgezogen wurde. --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 13:19, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Zuallererst: Wir hatten die perfekten Motive für so ein Projekt. Wertvoll und gleichzeitig fast alles in derselben Größe. Dazu noch sind diese Dinge jedem in irgendeiner Weise vertraut, auch wenn man - so vor 50 Jahren - diese Objekte nur bei anderen gesehen haben. Aber es gibt ein Feeling, das man mitgenommen hat.
Wir hatten ein Jahr zuvor ein Projekt, in dem wir Wandteller fotografiert haben. Daraus habe ich meine Lehren gezogen. Ich würde niemandem raten, einfach so auf Lustig so etwas zu beginnen, das muss durchgezogen werden schon fast in der Form einer strengen Kammer. Ohne Widerrede. Aber wenn die Vorbereitung gut ist - und wir haben ein halbes Jahr vorbereitet - dann geht es, dann kommt auch der Spirit zu den Leuten und der Ehrgeiz, an etwas Besonderem dabei zu sein, beflügelte die Teilnehmer.
Allerdings würde ich beim nächsten Projekt wieder einiges anders machen. Ich schätze, dass wir endgültig im Sommer 2016 damit fertig sein werden. Mein Anteil, nämlich das Aufbereiten der Bilder, das kann aus fachlichen (und auch aus technischen) Gründen in diesem Fall nur von mir gemacht werden. Mit einem Notebook geht sowas nicht. Da muss ich mir was überlegen, wie ich das verbessern könnte, nicht jeder hat so viel Zeit und Skills (was das Postprocessing betrifft) wie ich. Du hast ja gesehen, dass ich so ein Halo um die Kameras hatte, ich habe nun die Stacketing-Technik geändert und hoffe, dass ich das nun bei den weiteren Bildern vermeiden kann.
Wirklich hervorheben muss man in diesem Fall auch die Bereitschaft der Chapter, unbürokratisch ihren Beitrag zu leisten. So werde ich sicher beim nächsten Projekt um einiges mehr an Licht haben (viel mehr brauch ich nicht, ev. 6 Softboxen mit je 2000W, 450 €, für einen dritten Tisch), denn das ist das Um und Auf. Aber no problem, bei so einem Ergebnis fragt keiner ob es auch wirklich notwendig ist. Wir waren zu sechst - und damit am Limit. Zwei Leute mehr hätte uns einiges an Erleichterungen gebracht. Das waren gerade die zwei Absagen in letzter Minute die wir hatten. Aber wir hatten auch ein Platzproblem, ein dritter Arbeitstisch war nicht möglich. Das nächste Projekt wird was mit Micromount sein. Das Macrorail haben wir aber heuer (WMAT) zurückgestellt, Die Gesamtanlage kostet so um die 3.500,- wenn man es ernst meint, aber dafür kaufen wir nun das 11-24er f/4 von Canon plus das 105er Makro für Nikon, eine 5Ds r ist wohl das nächste. Da freue ich mich schon drauf.
Und alles ist von jedem anforderbar. Das ist für mich das Schönste daran. Jeder kann sowas machen wenn er will, die Grundvoraussetzungen sind vorhanden. Und wir, speziell ich, helfen dann dabei. --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 (talk) 06:44, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments na endlich der Drehteller Ab zu FPC damit! --Ralf Roletschek 20:10, 13 August 2015 (UTC) *  Comment noch nicht wirklich, ist erst ein Prototyp mit kleinen Schwächen. --Hubertl 22:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC) Support Excellent and new !! Some (minor) flaws I've noticed: it "freezes" sometimes, and the credits are too long (39 sec. for film, 20 sec. for credit). Anyway, congratulations !--Jebulon 10:24, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Poco a poco 10:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Livioandronico2013 19:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Cccefalon 08:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments A minor stacking problem (see my note), but good quality. --Cccefalon 06:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hallo zusammen,

Glückwunsch zu den *wirklich* tollen Bildern. Könnt Ihr etwas zum Aufbau sagen? Ich finde die Schärfentiefe sehr beeindruckend, zumal Ihr eher mittlere Blenden benutzt habt und trotzdem einen enormen Bereich scharf bekommen habt. Hier z.B. ist alles von hinten bis vorne scharf, und das bei Blende 8, das ist schon beeindruckend.

Bei den Histogrammen fiel mir auf, dass Ihr am linken und am rechte Rand des Spektrums flache Bereiche ohne Werte belassen habt. Der weiße Hintergrund (die bekannte Ikea-Platte ;-) ) wirkt dadurch grau, mitunter ganz leicht zum Sepia tendierend. Durch eine Tonwertkorrektur kann man ihn in Richtung Weiß bringen und das Schwarz der Kameragehäuse akzentuieren, wobei ich vermute, das kommt den Originalfarbe nahe. Habt Ihr die Kurven absichtlich so gelassen? Ich habe mal, eher dezent, demonstriert, was ich meine:

Liebe Grüße --Superbass (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Zu einem ähnlichen Ergebnis bin ich heute gekommen, wie du es oben darlegst. Ich muss nur einen Weg finden, der bei möglichst allen Bildern ohne besonderen Aufwand gemacht werden kann. Aber es richtig zu machen dauert ja bekanntlich genauso lange wie etwas falsch zu machen. Nur muss halt das Falsche in Folge korrigiert werden --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 (talk) 21:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hallo Superbass, ich bin froh, dass du mich ansprichst, ich wollte euch (Lokal K) sowieso kontaktieren. Der Aufbau war ein kl. Mehrzwecktisch, den man höhenverstellen kann und für Studiofotografie gemacht wurde (damit man eine Acrylplatte gewölbt draufbringt als Hintergrund). Nimmt keinen Platz weg, weil zerlegbar. Ebay/China. Ich hatten an diesem Tisch vier Softboxen, Kaltlicht 5.500K, etwas mehr als 2.400 W Lichtleistung. Gerade genug, auch wenn es nach viel klingt. Gehört teilweise WMAT. Hintergrund war ein weißer Stoff, die Glasplatte(n) von Ikea. Gemacht wurden die Bilder mit Focus-Bracketing, sonst wäre die Tiefenschärfe nicht möglich gewesen. Dazu verwendeten wir auf einem Tablet den DSLR-Controller, durchschnittlich ca 17 Bilder/Aufnahme. Verwaltet wird das jetzt an einem Desktop-PC, Lightroom (ohne dem wäre ich aufgeschmissen, es sind 15.000 Bilder geworden), für das Stacking Helicon Focus. Das Fein/Endtuning geht über Photoshop. Alles ziemlich aufwendig, aber die Objekte und die Ergebnisse sind es wert. So eine komplette, wirklich gute Anlage (ohne Tablet(Android) oder Smartphone, ohne den Desktoprechner oder leistungsfähiges Notebook mit externem Monitor kostet ca 700 Euro. Also erschwinglich. Der Platzbedarf (zusammengelegt) ist samt Glasplatten 85cm x 75cm x 30 cm (hochkant, das sind 4x Softboxen á 2000W, ein Tisch, ein Hintergrundsystem). Platz zum Arbeiten benötigt man zumindest 2,5 x 3 m. Wie ich meine, erträglich und realistisch!
Wir haben von Anfang an dieses Projekt so angelegt, dass wir auf die bestmöglichste Qualität kommen, es ging uns nicht darum, alles zu erfassen (wir haben nur ein Drittel geschafft), sondern um zu zeigen, dass man mit den Mitteln, die uns ua. auch heute schon über den Verein zur Verfügung stehen, so etwas zustandebringen kann. Und natürlich auch die Erfahrung gewinnen um zu wissen, was es bedeutet, eine Sammlung dieser Art zu erfassen. Ich würde sowas aber nur mit Sammlungen machen, welche tatsächlich für WP von Wert sind, im Sinne von enzyklopädisch. Diese Kamera-Sammlung ist es mMn. Ein Nachfolgeprojekt mit Mineralien ist gerade angedacht, ein weiteres in Wien, aber erst 2016 in großem Rahmen.
Natürlich darf man die Nachbereitung der Ergebnisse nicht unterschätzen, die geht zeitlich weit über den Fotografieraufwand selbst hinaus (6 Leute jeweils 7-8 Tage, tolles Team aus vier Ländern!). Ich denke, dass ich noch das ganze restliche Jahr damit beschäftigt sein werde. Gute Unterstützung kam von WMAT -CH und -DE.
Ich bin immer noch am Ausprobieren, wie ich zum besten Ergebnis komme. Es ist halt was anderes, wenn man so nebenbei ein paar Einzelbilder macht oder einen Berg vor sich hat. Erfahrung mit Rückschlägen, so hab ich mal eine ganze Tagesarbeit einstampfen können im Postprocessing.
Danke für den Hinweis zum Weißabgleich, ich habe vorgestern schon den Workflow umgestellt, auch das Problem mit dem Weißabgleich war zu lösen. Schau dir die heutigen hochgeladenen Bilder an, Ich denke, dass die besser sind als die ersten. Kann durchaus sein, dass ich die ersten irgendwann noch einmal mache. Kritik ist hochwillkommen, es sind ja oft nur die kleinen Änderungen, die aus einem guten Bild ein wirklich ganz Gutes macht.
Zum Histogramm: bei solchen Objekten, die praktisch nur den Randbereich der Farbskala einnehmen, ist das Histogramm weit von einer Ausgeglichenheit entfernt. Aber ich bin dran.
Warum wollte ich dich/euch kontaktieren? Ich habe schon längere Zeit beobachtet, dass ihr in Köln euch auch in Produktfotografie probiert. Wie meistens, fehlt es an ein paar Sachen, oft ist es auch eine Platzfrage. Meine Idee ist es, dass alle Wikipedia-Stadtkommunen ;-) so eine Grundausstattung haben sollten, aber eben so eine, die möglichst wenig Platz wegnimmt und trotzdem professionelle Ergebnisse ermöglicht. Ein Zelt mit zwei Lampen ist hinausgeworfenes Geld. Wir möchten nämlich -und das war die Intention dieses Projekts - nicht nur technisch dieses Wissen weitergeben. Wir können und wollen entweder als Teilnehmer und/oder Berater für andere Projekte angefordert werden (der Aufwand in Graz war insgesamt doch recht hoch, wobei die Videosachen noch die leichtere Übung gegenüber den Bildern war). Oder einfach nur, dass jemand von uns für einen Zweitagesworkshop mal zu euch oder irgendwo hinkommt, und den gesamten Workflow durchgeht. Damit kann man sich viel Zeit ersparen und bei 6-8 Teilnehmern zahlt das sicher eines der Chapter (das ist auch mit denen abgesprochen).
Wenn nun das Interesse besteht, das mal mit Anleitung und bis zum letzten Arbeitsschritt an einem Wochenende durchzuexerzieren, einfach sagen. Ich habe viel Lehrgeld zahlen müssen, es muss ja nicht jeder jeden Fehler selbst machen.
Und falls es einmal ein großes Projekt gibt, dann können die jeweiligen Lichtanlagen dafür dann angefordert werden. Für Produktfotografie dieser Art sind Studioblitze nicht geeignet, außer man will ausprobieren, ob man doch vielleicht Epileptiker ist, es aber noch nicht weiß.
Gruß aus Wien, --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 (talk) 21:05, 21 August 2015 (UTC) (aka Hubertl)[reply]
Nachtrag: Warum ich diese Softboxen mit dieser Leistungfavorisiere liegt daran, dass sie relativ leicht sind und vor allem mit den Stativen auch sehr flexibel für andere Sachen einsetzbar sind. Dazu sind die Lampen flexibel dazu/abschaltbar. Nicht eben nur für die Tischarbeit. Und wenn ich mal 1 m mit der Box vom Objekt weg bin, sinken die gemessenen Lux am Objekt dramatisch. Ist leider nicht änderbar. --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 (talk) 21:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hubertl, ich glaube, ein Besuch im Lokal K wäre almählich mal eine gute Idee - wir dilletieren zwar bester Laune vor uns hin und erzielen, für unser improvisiertes Equipment, ausreichende bis befriedigende Ergebnisse. Aber wenn ich von Focus-Bracketing, Kamerasteuerung per Tablet-PC und einer tauglichen Lampenausstattung lese, bekomme ich schon feuchte Hände :-) Ich stelle das bei nächster Gelegenheit mal im Kernteam vor, zunächst mal vielen Dank für die umfangreiche Erklärung! --Superbass (talk) 21:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Superbass: Das Schöne dabei ist: Hat man es einmal verstanden wie es geht, dann ist das alles wirklich keine Kunst, auch wenn die Ergebnisse, wie wir sie nun für unser Projekt präsentieren, nicht wirklich direkt aus der Kamera hüpfen. Es sind einfach nur Abläufe, die einem dann halt in Fleisch und Blut übergehen müssen. Ich stelle mir vor, dass Ihr dann einmal/Monat einen ganzen Tag nur Studiomöglichkeiten anbieten könnt, es gibt da sicher einige, vielleicht auch neue Leute, die das nutzen wollen. Mal eine andere Art von Phototour. Ich hoffe nur, ihr habt einen Betonboden im Lokal ;-) Altbau dritter Stock ist nur für Einzelkämpfer die Luft anhalten können... Wie in meinem Fall in Wien. --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 (talk) 05:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, ich habe gesehen, dass dieser Account auf COM:FPC neben euren eigenen Nominierungen auch ein paar Stimmen bei anderen Bildern abgegeben habt. Ich glaube, dass das vor dem Hintergrund des Gemeinschaftsaccounts etwas unglücklich ist. Idealerweise sollte eine derartige Stimme ja doch leicht einem User zuordnebar sein, was aktuell nicht der Fall ist. Ich kann mir leicht vorstellen, dass das vielleicht einfach ein Versehen war (Accounttausch vergessen). Da mir bislang von euch nur Hubertl auf FPC/QI aufgefallen ist, vermute ich, dass Hubertl auch diesen Account managt und so auch die Stimmen abgegeben hat. Falls dem so ist, kann man ja eventuell die Signatur tauschen. Natürlich ist das kein großes Ding, aber früher oder später könnte so eine Unklarheit zu unnötigem Streit führen. Falls dahinter eine andere Logik steht, könntet ihr das ja vielleicht kurz erläutern. Danke! --DXR (talk) 19:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, ich habe gesehen, dass dieser Account auf COM:FPC neben euren eigenen Nominierungen auch ein paar Stimmen bei anderen Bildern abgegeben habt. Ich glaube, dass das vor dem Hintergrund des Gemeinschaftsaccounts etwas unglücklich ist. Idealerweise sollte eine derartige Stimme ja doch leicht einem User zuordnebar sein, was aktuell nicht der Fall ist. Ich kann mir leicht vorstellen, dass das vielleicht einfach ein Versehen war (Accounttausch vergessen). Da mir bislang von euch nur Hubertl auf FPC/QI aufgefallen ist, vermute ich, dass Hubertl auch diesen Account managt und so auch die Stimmen abgegeben hat. Falls dem so ist, kann man ja eventuell die Signatur tauschen. Natürlich ist das kein großes Ding, aber früher oder später könnte so eine Unklarheit zu unnötigem Streit führen. Falls dahinter eine andere Logik steht, könntet ihr das ja vielleicht kurz erläutern. Danke! --DXR (talk) 19:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wie natürlich im Vorfeld geklärt, werden weder Projektbilder von den Teilnehmern des Projekts bewertet, noch wird der Projektaccount gleichzeitig mit meinem Account (dieser wird tatsächlich von mir, Hubertl betrieben) Mehrfachstimmen abgeben, was ja quasi das absolute NoGo ist. Es sind aber alle Accounts offengelegt, welche den Bildern zugeordnet sind. Wir wollten von vornherein vermeiden, dass Projektteilnehmer überhaupt die Ergebnisse abstimmen, was erstmalig ist, denn bislang konnten - so zB bei den Landtagsprojekten -, alle Teilnehmer die Bilder der anderen Teilnehmer bewerten. Was dann vielleicht schon als mögliche Insidergeschichte gesehen wurde. Inwieweit, vor allem wie umfangreich es tatsächlich passierte, kann ich aber nicht sagen. Falls aber in unserem Fall wirklich mal was passiert (gar nicht so einfach, aber mit zwei Bildschirmen und zwei versch. Browsern geht das einigermaßen), dann werden sicher die ca 20 Personen, welche von diesem Konstrukt informiert sind (bzw. sich informiert haben), einschreiten. Wir hoffen damit, einen fairen Umgang mit unserem Ergebnis herzustellen. Nominiert werden allerdings die Bilder nur im Rahmen des für eine Person jeweils Erlaubten. Außer bei FP, dort nominiert nur dieser Account (oder ich), aber nur jene zwei, die für eine Person erlaubt sind. Wir wollen ja FP und vor allem auch eure Geduld nicht überstrapazieren. Irgendwann tritt sicher eine Müdigkeit ein, denn ein Außenstehender wird wenig Unterschied zwischen den jeweiligen Modellen auf Dauer erkennen. Anders sehen wir es bei VI und QI. --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 (talk) 20:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Moin, wär's nicht vielleicht trotzdem sinnvoller bzw. transparenter gewesen wenn du z.B. hier mit deinem Hauptaccount abgestimmt hättest? --El Grafo (talk) 14:56, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that Google Translate didn't do a very good job on the above. But I also have concerns that this account is not permitted. I appreciate that you want to share credit for the images, but that should be done on the image description page that indicates copyright/etc. I think that user accounts should be for one user. Please separate the editing account from the team project that took the photos. It doesn't really matter who uploads the images (as long as that person has permission to do so). I think, from the above text (it isn't clear), that you are ensuring you don't block-support your group photos at FPC, which is a good thing. -- Colin (talk) 07:20, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, it is not really clear to me what the difference between these two models is. Could you please provide a short explanation in the category descriptions? Also, shouldn't Category:Leica IIIf - 1951 be a sub-category of Category:Leica IIIf? Thanks, --El Grafo (talk) 13:59, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@El Grafo: : Diese Frage kann ich dir aktuell nicht beantworten, da der Sammlungseigentümer gerade Internetfrei hat. Für zwei Wochen. Ich kann mich aber erinnern, dass wir darüber gesprochen haben und dass die IIIf aus 1954 möglicherweise erstmalig die Blitzsynchronisierung angeboten hat - wahrscheinlich mit ziemlich demselben Body, aber für die damalige Zeit eine Sensation (wie geht das bitte wirklich das Blitzen mit einem cold shoe???) Ich werde versuchen in diesen Tagen möglichst diskussionsfreies Material zu nominieren.
Ich möchte mich noch dafür entschuldigen, die Regeln vielleicht etwas überstrapaziert zu haben. Aber dafür sind wir ja gegenseitig da, uns nicht nur in der Qualität gegenseitig zu verbessern sondern auch das Projekt möglichst friktionsfrei zu gestalten. --Kameraprojekt Graz 2015 (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, danke für die Info. Das mit den Regeln ist immer so eine Sache, der eine legt sie so aus der andere so. Ich bin da wohl auch dem Kollegen Jean11 ein bisschen auf die Füße getreten :-( War ganz und gar nicht meine Absicht, ich habe das zum Anlass genommen hier mal eine Diskussion vom Zaun zu brechen. Grüße, --El Grafo (talk) 16:38, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality Denis Barthel 00:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Atamari 21:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Ralf Roletschek 21:20, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Valued Image Promotion

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Comments Good quality. --Johann Jaritz 02:28, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Johann Jaritz 02:28, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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FP Promotion

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Quality Image Promotion

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Comments Good quality. --Poco a poco 17:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Johann Jaritz 03:10, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Poco a poco 17:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Johann Jaritz 03:10, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality. --Johann Jaritz 16:18, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality.--ArildV 07:53, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality.--ArildV 07:53, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Good quality.--ArildV 07:53, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Quality Image Promotion

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Comments  Support Good quality. --XRay 15:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments  Support Good quality--Lmbuga 11:56, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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FP Promotion

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Einladung für den Jahreskalender 2016

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Hallo, ich lade euch hiermit herzlich dazu ein Fotos (von euch) für den gedruckten Jahreskalender 2016 von Wikimedia Österreich zu nominieren, die 2015 hochgeladen und mit {{Supported by Wikimedia Österreich}} gekennzeichnet wurden. Gruß --Raimund Liebert (WMAT) (talk) 14:10, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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