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Yann (talk) 08:01, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
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Patrick Rogel (talk) 21:44, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
File tagging File:Maren-morris-2018.jpg
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Patrick Rogel (talk) 21:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
File tagging File:Liamm Payne milan 2018.jpg
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Patrick Rogel (talk) 21:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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Yours sincerely, JuTa 12:01, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
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Titlutin (talk) 13:23, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
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Ronhjones (Talk) 18:12, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
File tagging File:61st Annual Grammys.png
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Patrick Rogel (talk) 21:33, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
File copyright status
[edit] Welcome to Wikimedia Commons. While everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the project, one or more of your recent file uploads had missing or false information regarding its source and copyright status. Please note that Wikimedia Commons takes copyright rules and infringement very seriously. Files may only be uploaded and included if their copyright status meets the conditions stated in our licensing policy, and if their provenance is clearly documented. Files that fail to meet those conditions may be deleted, and users who fail to meet them may be blocked. Please follow our first steps, if you haven't already. If you have questions, feel free to ask at the Village Pump copyright question page or on my talk page. Thank you.
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Yours sincerely, Эlcobbola talk 19:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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[edit]Эlcobbola talk 19:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Pour la licence c'est écrit "some rights reserved" donc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Datsofelija (talk • contribs) 14:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
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Herby talk thyme 14:24, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
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Patrick Rogel (talk) 15:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
An unfree Flickr license was found on File:Hailey baldwin.jpg
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TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 21:44, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
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Patrick Rogel (talk) 22:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Critically evaluate Flickr licenses
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--Patrick Rogel (talk) 22:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Re:Blocages
[edit]Bonjour. Suite à votre message, il vous suffit de cliquer sur les différents liens rouges pour connaître les raisons des suppression de ces photos. Comme @Elcobbola: vous l'a conseillé, tentez tout simplement de ne pas réitérer les mêmes erreurs sinon vous allez vous faire bloquer à nouveau (et pour plus longtemps). Par ailleurs -et l'on vous aura mal conseillé- les images de Flickr ne sont pas nécessairement libres. Merci de lire Commons:À propos des licences à ce sujet. Cordialement, --Patrick Rogel (talk) 11:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Ca ne me dit toujours pas où trouver des images pour mes articles. Datsofelija (talk) 12:10, 9 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
- Relisez le premier bandeau en haut de cette page et contactez si nécessaire Le Bistro. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Bref conseils inutiles... Datsofelija (talk) 12:48, 9 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
- Relisez le premier bandeau en haut de cette page et contactez si nécessaire Le Bistro. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Please remain calm and collegial
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--Patrick Rogel (talk) 13:47, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Et même pas contente! Un "bonjour" et une formule de politesse seront appréciés dans nos échanges. Et les Fuck, vous pouvez les gardez pour vous. Bien à vous, --Patrick Rogel (talk) 13:49, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Je me suis déjà exprimée correctement et à chaque fois je me fais bloquée donc je perds un peu de mon sang froid justement. Y'a personne qui veut m'aider sur wikicommons, je suis nouvelle j'aimerais de l'aide. J'ai déjà lu vos articles et rien ne m'aide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Datsofelija (talk • contribs) 16:34, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- PS : Je dis toujours bonjour, alors arrêtez un peu. Datsofelija (talk) 16:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
Please sign your postings
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Yours sincerely, Patrick Rogel (talk) 13:03, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
SUPER............................ Marre de wikicommons. 86.204.120.33 13:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
Your account has been blocked
[edit]--Yann (talk) 14:17, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Yann: Je pense qu'un tel blocage est trop sévère pour Datsofelija. Voyant et suivant ce qu'elle fait sur Wikipédia, il s'agit manifestement d'une personne bien intentionnée qui débute et fait preuve de maladresses (beaucoup plus sur Commons d'ailleurs). Je n'ai rien remarqué de répréhensible de sa part sur WP, bien au contraire (elle passe beaucoup de temps à poser des questions et fait preuve d'un immense mélange de politesse, de gratitude, de modestie et de curiosité). Il me semble donc que la sanction est bien trop lourde, et que les efforts de pédagogie ont été très insuffisants à son égard sur Commons. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 16:00, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment Je ne suis pas sûr que l'utilisatrice fasse ici preuve de tant de politesse: j'en tiens pour compte les réponses lapidaires faites ici et là. Des remarques d'autant plus injustes qu'il lui a été recommandé par deux fois hier ici et là (et également le 28 février) de relire Commons:À propos des licences "afin de ne pas réitérer les mêmes erreurs" (je me cite). Et paf ! premier copyvio : du fair-use; dernier : du fair-use encore. Peut être, en effet, qu'elle a bien lu ce lien mais force est de contater qu'elle ne l'a pas compris, en dépit de ces "efforts de pédagogie" qui, au contraire, ont été AMHA suffisants. Ce blocage n'est pas une "sanction" mais une invitation durant ces vacances forcées à lire et comprendre l'aide de Commons. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 16:46, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- @TwoWings: Je suis prêt à retirer le blocage si cette utilisatrice veut bien admettre qu'il y a un souci, et essaie de faire un effort (voir les remarques justifiées de Patrick Rogel ci-dessus). Pour l'instant, il y a 0 fichier importé qui ne soit pas une violation des droits d'auteur, et 19 fichiers supprimés, et c'est le deuxième blocage. Cordialement, Yann (talk) 16:59, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Datsofelija, vous n'êtes pas détestée. Il n'y a rien de personnel dans ce blocage. J'ai réduit le blocage à une semaine suite à la demande de TwoWings. Pourriez-vous lire toute la documentation sur les droits d'auteur (COM:L/fr, COM:DW/fr, etc.), et demander avant d'importer un fichier, soit ici, soit sur le Bistro, soit sur ma page de discussion. Cordialement, Yann (talk) 17:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Yann: Je suis estomaqué par l'accueil des nouveaux contributeurs sur Commons. Un longue suite de messages automatiques sans aucune explications précises. C'est moi qui ais dû, sur Wikipédia, tenté d'expliquer le fair use à Datsofelija. Personne ici n'a pris le temps. Ce n'est pas un lui assenant des pages interminables de règles à lire qu'un nouveau va comprendre quoi que ce soit, on n'apprend pas le droit des images ainsi, mais avec des renseignements appropriés. Enfin bref. Binabik (d) 17:35, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Merci à tous de m'avoir défendue binabik et user:twoWings. J'ai essayé de lire, de faire attention vraiment aux licences, de prendre des sites pas fraduleux, j'ai essayé 50 fois de taper "images licences libre" j'ai été sur flickr, j'ai comparé les licences afin de prendre à chaque fois les bonnes mais non, personne ne regarde et me bloque ou supprime mes fichiers. Vraiment, je fais tous les efforts possible donc comprenez qu'à un moment donné je sois moins polie. Alors je m'excuse vraiment mais je crois qu'à force de me bloquer, de demander de l'aide pour éviter d'être bloquée et de m'envoyer lire un pauvre bandeau qui ne m'explique rien de plus, j'en ai ras-le-bol. J'ai demandé à Patrick de me donner un site pour trouver des images il n'a pas su me répondre ! Ah si, lire le bandeau et parler au bistro. Ce que j'ai fais : Pas de réponses utiles.
- Je demande de l'aide, vous n'êtes pas dans la capacité de m'aider. Ca fait 50 jours que je suis sur wikipédia, je ne maîtrise pas tout, j'ai besoin de beaucoup d'aide et quand je demande sur wikipédia, on me réponds, on m'accueille chaleureusement, on m'aide mais pas sur wikicommons.
- Bref, ce n'est pas grave, je ne retournerai pas sur wiki commons, j'ai compris qu'on me détestais parce que je suis une violeuse de droits.
- Allez bisous.
- Datsofelija (talk) 17:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
- Franchement, ce message confirme ce que j'ai écrit plus haut, et ça me rassure de voir que Binabik est du même avis que moi. C'est vraiment dommage de décourager ainsi des personnes au si bonnes intentions. Triste de voir ça. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 22:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Bonjour. Je pense que pas mal d'explications polies et claires ont déjà été données à Datsofelija, y compris sur le fair use. Cependant, si cela est nécessaire, on peut encore une fois répéter :
- Que les images acceptées sur base du fair use sur Wikipédia en anglais ne sont pas acceptées ici.
- Que les images publiées sur Flickr sous les licences Pas d’utilisation commerciale (
), Pas d’œuvres dérivées (
), ou Tous droits réservés (
) ne sont pas acceptées ici (voir COM:L/fr).
- Que sur Flickr, tous les comptes ne sont pas fiables. Certains publient des images sans en avoir le droit. Dans ce cas, les images peuvent être supprimées sur Commons.
- Que pour certains sujets, il est très difficile, voire impossible de trouver des images libres et qu'il faut l'accepter. Ce n'est pas imputable aux règles de Commons, mais aux lois sur le droit d'auteur. BrightRaven (talk) 09:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Bonjour, merci de ne pas en rajouter une couche, j'ai déjà exprimé ci-dessus le problème : Personne ne m'aide correctement ici. D'où mes blocages et mes images supprimées. Si vous en teniez un peu compte que je suis là depuis peu, vous saurez qu'un nouveau à besoin d'aide et n'a pas besoin d'être noyé de blocage... Bref ceci n'est que mon avis. Les "fair-use" comme vous le dite si bien, je ne les ai pas forcément trouver sur le wiki anglais. Enfin bon, ne vous inquiètez pas, je ne retournerai pas sur wikicommons.
Stop la conversation ici.
- Cordialement, (eh oui je suis polie aussi...)
Datsofelija (talk) 10:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
- @Datsofelija: J'avoue qu'à la lecture des différents liens donnés par BrightRaven, il y a bien eu plusieurs tentatives polies et guidées pour t'aider à comprendre. Finalement, je ne comprends pas comment tu en es venue à te braquer et à considérer que personne ne t'aidait. Cela ne correspond pas à ce que j'observe de toi sur Wikipédia, c'est bizarre... Il faut juste que tu comprennes trois choses essentielles :
- La question des droits d'utilisation d'image est quelque chose de complexe (plein de blocages légaux ou d'exceptions, des différences selon les pays, des difficultés à trouver des sources fiables ou des informations fiables sur les droits d'une illustration...), donc c'est normal d'être perdue et d'avoir des difficultés à comprendre
- Commons et les différentes versions de Wikipédia peuvent avoir des politiques différentes concernant les droits d'auteur, donc ce qui se passe sur Wikipédia en anglais ne peut pas t'aider à comprendre ce que tu as le droit de faire/importer sur Commons, ni sur Wikipédia en français ! (ça peut paraître aberrant mais c'est comme ça...)
- Sur Commons, il y a tous les jours des nouveaux utilisateurs qui importent massivement de multiples illustrations non libres au mépris des droits d'auteurs et en ignorant les divers messages qui leur sont adressés, ce qui produit une tension quasi permanente sur ces sujets et une réactivité parfois radicale vis-à-vis de celles et ceux qui continuent malgré les tentatives de dialogues ou d'explication, donc ce qui t'arrive n'est pas forcément une question de personne, il faut juste que tu comprennes que, si on ne te connaît pas, tes imports et tes réactions ont malheureusement donné une image erronée de ce que tu es réellement. Ne le prends pas personnellement, tu as simplement fait preuve de maladresse et d'impatience, et tout s'est enchaîné en ta défaveur.
- Cordialement --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 17:15, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Datsofelija: J'avoue qu'à la lecture des différents liens donnés par BrightRaven, il y a bien eu plusieurs tentatives polies et guidées pour t'aider à comprendre. Finalement, je ne comprends pas comment tu en es venue à te braquer et à considérer que personne ne t'aidait. Cela ne correspond pas à ce que j'observe de toi sur Wikipédia, c'est bizarre... Il faut juste que tu comprennes trois choses essentielles :
- des informations claire et précise ? vraiment ? J'ai demandé à ce qu'on me donne un site pour trouver des images ça c'est clair et précis on me répond à côté. Je veux dire, si je demande un vélo, me ramenez pas les freins, je vais rien en faire. J'essaie justement comme je l'ai dis plus haut mais apparemment vous ne savez peut-être pas lire, que j'ai fait plusieurs fois des recherches et des comparaisons entre images et licences. Je prend la bonne licence et paf je suis bloquée. Eh bah débrouillez vous, je ne retourne pas sur wikicommons, laissez moi simplement sur wikipédia, on arrête ici la conversation. Merci. Datsofelija (talk) 07:20, 12 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
- Comme je vous l'ai déjà écrit, votre parrain sur Wikipédia vous aura mal renseigné, cet endroit où trouver des images libres que vous réclamez à cor et à cri n'existe tout simplement pas ou plutôt, oui, il s'appelle Commons; c'est sûrement pour cette raison qu'on ne vous l'a pas indiqué. Ensuite (pour schématiser), seules les oeuvres de plus de 70 ans ont perdu leur copyright donc vous êtes toujours libre de téléverser ce genre de photos anciennes. Aussi, c'est sûr que si vous espérez trouver des images libres sur des sujets contemporains (comme ils semblent être votre source d'inspiration sur Wikipedia) vous allez être déçue parce qu'ils n'existent très probablement pas. Cependant, en ce qui concerne des images encore sous copyright, vous pouvez également tenter de convaicre leurs auteurs de les places sous license libre (et user du formulaire COM:CONSENT créé à cet effet). A vous de jouer, donc. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 16:56, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- des informations claire et précise ? vraiment ? J'ai demandé à ce qu'on me donne un site pour trouver des images ça c'est clair et précis on me répond à côté. Je veux dire, si je demande un vélo, me ramenez pas les freins, je vais rien en faire. J'essaie justement comme je l'ai dis plus haut mais apparemment vous ne savez peut-être pas lire, que j'ai fait plusieurs fois des recherches et des comparaisons entre images et licences. Je prend la bonne licence et paf je suis bloquée. Eh bah débrouillez vous, je ne retourne pas sur wikicommons, laissez moi simplement sur wikipédia, on arrête ici la conversation. Merci. Datsofelija (talk) 07:20, 12 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
- Ah bah enfin une réponse claire et précise !! Je vais me renseigner et essayer d'utiliser les bonnes licences et faire attention par contre en parlant d'oeuvre de + 70 ans, vous m'avez supprimé 2 images datant de 1923 et 1925. Je crois que ca fait bien + 70 ans mais bon vu que je suis une violeuse de droits.......... Datsofelija (talk) 17:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Bonjour, J'ai restauré ces 2 images. Pour l'une, il n'y avait pas de licence, et la date était fausse; et pour l'autre, la licence était fausse, et il n'y a pas de catégories pour aucune. Ça n'aide pas. ;o) Je vous ai aussi débloquée. Merci de demander avant d'importer des images depuis Internet. Cordialement, Yann (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Ah bah enfin une réponse claire et précise !! Je vais me renseigner et essayer d'utiliser les bonnes licences et faire attention par contre en parlant d'oeuvre de + 70 ans, vous m'avez supprimé 2 images datant de 1923 et 1925. Je crois que ca fait bien + 70 ans mais bon vu que je suis une violeuse de droits.......... Datsofelija (talk) 17:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Merci beaucoup. Oui justement je demande de l'aide enfin bon. --Datsofelija (talk) 18:23, 12 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
Je vois que les choses vont dans le bon sens de toutes parts ! Ça fait du bien ! J'espère avoir au moins contribué à réactiver le dialogue. À bientôt. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 10:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oui, ça va mieux du coup, merci beaucoup et oui c'est grâce à toi ! Merci bisous à bientôt Datsofelija (talk) 10:50, 13 March 2019 (UTC)datsofelija
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[edit]Donnez l'adresse de l'image ici, ou sur le Bistro, ou sur ma page de discussion. Cordialement, Yann (talk) 18:31, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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