Template talk:Book/2014

Wikisource

Instead of just the Wikisource image, can there also be text stating that it's available/transcribed (not sure of best wording) on Wikisource? This would be helpful for the users of WP and Commons who don't know what Wikisource is, and definitely as most will not recognize the logo alone. The Haz _talk 23:23, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I have added the word "transcribed" under the icon, and checked it at a number of pages and it seems to align fine, though couldn't get enough cases to prove that it always aligns under the icon. If you can think of other suggestions, go for it.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:44, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Example File:Leibniz as a Politician.djvu he says advertising one his transcriptions  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

That works, but I still think the Wikisource name needs to be there, such as a link to the side of the logo "Transcribed on Wikisource" The Haz _talk 01:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I played, though to get neater we are going to need pushing bits around due to the tabular layout and the alignment. Someone may declare it (ugly|too high|...) and we may revert. Anyway there for opinions.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:50, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be better to apply those changes to {{Book/Sandbox}} first until we find a layout that people like. Also how are you going to handle translations to other languages (I18n)? --Jarekt (talk) 14:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I personally feel that the template overall might be better off using Autotranslate, in which case this could also be used for this text. I don't mind the current layout, though I'd prefer to see transcribed capitalized in English, and all the text in bold. The Haz _talk 18:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Few years ago we moved all the Book translations to transaltewiki so now we support 100's of languages instead of 10's, so Autotranslate is not an option. We can create {{Book/I18n}} with {{LangSwitch}}, as many templates have, but that would be nice to implement before we went live. --Jarekt (talk) 19:04, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the icons (and two other information-free images further down the page) look pretty dumb when I open Template:Book in ELinks. It would probably be a good idea to set alt="" on these images now that their meaning is conveyed entirely in the text? --SamB (talk) 02:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

In all honesty, I'd rather go a step further and make it another row in the template. I understand the want to put the image there, but it's placed in an awkward location, defeating its purpose. I, however, wouldn't mind having a tooltip for anyone with CSS enabled that briefly explains Wikisource. It might be going too far though. ;-)

Transcribed at Wikisource ^what?

The Haz _talk 21:25, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Capitalization of languages

Could the language in which each book is written be capitalized when it appears in the template? For example, if "{{language|en}}" or even just "English" is entered as a value for the |language= parameter, it is displayed as "english". See, for instance, "File:Notes on Names of Places in the Island of Singapore and its Vicinity (1889) by H T Haughton.pdf". — SMUconlaw (talk) 08:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for good suggestion. --Jarekt (talk) 15:31, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Great, thanks! — SMUconlaw (talk) 16:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Single pages

This template is said to be for entire books. So what should I do if I only upload one page of a book? For instance, File:Dei delitti e delle pene, edizione VI, frontespizio.jpg. --Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 09:14, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Majority of uses of this template is for individual pages making up a book and there is no restriction that you have to have all the pages to use the template. I am not sure where it says "entire book" but it should be corrected if it is confusing. --Jarekt (talk) 11:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, maybe I misread. Is this clearer? [1] --Federico Leva (BEIC) (talk) 14:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Add identifying class

{{Edit request}} Please add fileinfotpl-type-book to the <table> classes (second line of the template)! See Commons talk:Machine-readable data#Identifying information-like templates for background. Thanks, --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 13:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Tgr (WMF) I do not want to be guessing here and I am not that well versed with different styles of HTML tags, so currently the second line is "

<table class="toccolours vevent" style="width: 100%; direction: {{Dir|{{int:Lang}}}};" cellpadding="2">

". What would you like it to be? I will do the same for the other infobox templates as requested. --Jarekt (talk) 01:20, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

@Jarekt: Would you also be able to update s:Template:Book when you do here, or please ping me so that I don't miss out the mirroring. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:10, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

<table class="fileinfotpl-type-book toccolours vevent" style="width: 100%; direction: {{Dir|{{int:Lang}}}};" cellpadding="2">

(new part marked with green.) Thanks! --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 08:23, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done --Jarekt (talk) 01:15, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

updated at enWS  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:30, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry I was suppose to let you know when I change it. --Jarekt (talk) 02:23, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Books ending up in non-machine readable categories.

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T74084

Hi all,

See File:Cyclopaedia, Chambers - Volume 1 - 0120.jpg for an example. This book has a source and an author but is in "Files with no machine-readable source" and "Files with no machine-readable author". I believe this is the case for all books using book-template.

Mvg, Basvb (talk) 01:00, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

I've looked but I can't find why CommonsMetadata can't see those tags, so I've asked for Tgr's help. Guillaume (WMF) (talk) 18:25, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

@Basvb and Guillaume (WMF): Book templates are ignored (see the end of the discussion at Template_talk:Art_Photo#Issue_with_MediaViewer; in a nutshell, the problem is that they are often used for images where the author of the book is in no meaningful sense author of the image). I guess the correct behavior would be to only ignore them when there are other kinds of information templates on the page. --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 19:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, most book pages on commons, contain just text and in such case the author or editor of the book is THE author. Some books have "illustrator" field, who should be a co-author. Some files with book templates have other infoboxes, like for example File:Stroop Report - Warsaw Ghetto Uprising 06b.jpg. So I agree that in case when book template is the only infobox template on the page than author, editor, illustrator and translator of the book should be listed as co-authors. In case of the source, there usually should be only one and it does not matter if it comes from {{Book}} or other templates. --Jarekt (talk) 20:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

If the information is there in the book template it seems nice to use it. At least they shouldn't be in the error cat because that's simply confusing and clutters the category (I estimate this issue to be at a few (1-3) hundred thousand images). Who and what to attribute is a harder discussion, which in part has already taken place at the talk-page Tgr linked. I believe that in case of books in general reproduction (taking an image) most of the time is not a creative adaptation of the book itself, therefore the person uploading the book to commons or digitizing it isn't really the one who should get credits. The author mainly is the writer with indeed sometimes important co-authors such as translators and illustrators. However in the case of books most of the time we're talking about PD-material. Still then crediting the person who did the actual work is best. Mvg, Basvb (talk) 21:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

{{Book}} template does not have a field for the person digitizing the image, and I do not think I have ever seen uploders listing themselves as "authors" of a book, at least not the ones knowledgeable enough to use {{Book}} template. So in great majority of cases the person listed in the Book template author field is the writer of the book. --Jarekt (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2014 (UTC)