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Project business contract registration •Overview of planned program implementation 1.I am sorting out WMF-2030/central hub,The main thing in this planning case is to integrate all the scattered sister projects of Wikimedia！The most basic engineering and also the most difficult step is『Affiliate committees、charter-level branches、MediaWiki』These three all have independent systems, and they have all had their own concepts to get used to since their establishment.So far it is still only accepting the business managed by the respective organization, I have tried to find the director responsible for managing the project and have not received a reply letter。 2.The executive director appointed by the board of directors should have solved the problem mentioned in Article 1 in the business responsibilities of the appointment.Since the establishment of the Wikimedia Foundation, in addition to the senior executive team established by the founder in the early days of the company, all projects of the company are equally important.The remaining board members or appointed executive directors do not seem to be able to find any meaningful planning or any meaningful action to address this long-standing major issue,The most actions I can find have been limited totarget “[name/target content]”The main task of implementing the goal is to get other people's opinions and to schedule time to ask the opinions of the districts.

  1. The above two main phenomena are very strange and contrary to what ordinary people can understand,The person who executes himself will only give the title of the goal, but the basis of how to achieve it has always revolved around asking others。Then the three types of organizations reported in Article 1 must have no other direct management executors to communicate with.

in conclusion： 1.I don't have an advanced degree and I only know a few simple English words but I can use a smartphone-installable translation software to get to the heart of the problem,People who are truly multilingual are also reluctant to understand other people's expressions in the same way,So this is what Wikipedia calls knowledge openness?How can the notion of not accepting that other cultures are limited to one script can truly achieve a global nature of collaboration。I have no other language skills but I am willing to learn about other cultures and communicate with goodwill，No matter what the results are, at least I am constantly learning, and I still insist on staying in this place despite how many difficulties I have encountered in the past 8 years.This is the most important first step in planning I can come up with and as long as any club is willing to accept cooperation，This step is so simple but no one wants to try it！！I put this message here and anyone who sees it can contact me directly as long as they agree with this concept。J.zht (talk) 11:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey J.zht. If I understand correctly, your message is more related to some work in the Movement Strategy area, rather than to Commons itself. If I am correct - I think you may contact m:Movement Strategy and Governance at Meta and they may be able to support you. Best, Elitre (WMF) (talk) 12:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
GOOD ! I would like the conferences to be in two languages, English and French, to allow people to come and participate in your projects and conferences. There are so many French-speaking countries Baname LARE (talk) 14:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Content width on mobile

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Hi! The content width on mobile is really low now (half of a screen and the second half is empty). Would you mind if I extract the frame-making code into a separate template so that it can be easily targeted with CSS @media rules? Msz2001 (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings Msz2001, sorry for the delay in answering. Please, by all means, feel free to tweak the page so that it works better across platforms, and thanks for your support. Elitre (WMF) (talk) 11:05, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. It will now display either as two half-width columns or one full-width, depending on the screen size. Msz2001 (talk) 09:52, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Msz2001 Thank you so much Udehb-WMF (talk) 15:12, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

THUMBOR thumbnail improvements BLOCKED- request for collaboration

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Greetings,

The WMF platform engineering team working to advance the requested feature of adding per-file control for some thumbnail generation parameters as part of our Thumbor update and improvements goals. We have run into a blocker.

We seek community feedback to help define a standard for how file configs information is stored so we can unblock the work and meet the community needs. We would appreciate feedback on the rest of the plan in general also. If you have time, please have a look at the phabricator ticket and share your feedback. Comments welcomed in this comment thread or in the Phabricator ticket.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T253280#8439252

Thank you! Virginia Poundstone - WMF, Product Manager, API Platform 2600:4041:5ADF:2800:144A:A412:9546:F40F 16:20, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries

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Just a suggestion: it would be easier to follow updates to this page if edit summaries were used, particularly for major updates. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Thanks, Elitre (WMF) (talk) 11:19, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome Benedict

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Happy to see you in that CRS role :) May have some questions in the future regarding the c:Commons:ISA Tool. Cheers Anthere (talk) 10:53, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Anthere for the warm welcome. As regards the future question you might have, I look forward to answering it, and if it's not one I can, I hope I will be able to point you to someone who can. Cheers Udehb-WMF (talk) 12:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a WMF village pump?

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Possibly a useful logo for the "WMF support for Commons" page.

At the English-language Wikipedia there is the WMF village pump, in fact the Wikimedia Commons largely mirrors the English-language Wikipedia's village pumps (Policy village pump → Copyright ©️ village pump (as most of our policies essentially are about the enforcement of copyright laws), Technical village pump → Technical village pump → Idea lab → Idea lab, Proposals village pump → Proposals village pump, and Miscellaneous village pump → Miscellaneous village pump), except for the fact that we don't have a WMF village pump. Perhaps a WMF village pump could be used as a central hub for communicating developments and getting community feedback.

This page isn't highly visible either and information about the developments by the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) seems to scattered across various projects and their subpages (for example "Commons:Structured data"), having a single place where all updates on works by the WMF at the Wikimedia Commons could be published and would greatly simplify the communication from and with the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) and the wider Wikimedia Commons community, posts could also simply direct people to the correct project pages and allow for an overview of ongoing and historical WMF support for the WMC community.

I literally didn't know about this page until it was mentioned in the village pump. I am not expecting the WMF to be active on it every day, just have a central place for it to communicate technical developments, surveys, requests for community feedback, Etc. like it has at the English-language Wikipedia. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 22:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, you've reached exactly that place. There are times when things are slow, and you also need to keep in mind there isn't a "Commons team" per se, overall though what you describe is what we have in mind for this page and what we're trying to do. Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per this comment, I'd like to suggest increasing the visibility of this page. There is currently a list above the village pump which displays as:

  • Community portal
    • introduction
    • Help desk
  • Village pump
    • copyright
    • proposals
    • technical
  • Administrators' noticeboard
    • vandalism
    • user problems
    • blocks and protections

I think that it might be wise to add:

  • WMF support
    • Centralised discussion (this could be done by creating a separate page akin to the WMF village pump of Enwiki and keep this page's main page as the navigation 🧭 hub, and this talk page the talk page for the navigation hub.
    • Structured data (as this is also a WMF project).
    • WikiLegal

This would increase the visibility of these pages. I think that this page could also become some sort of FAQ (Frequently asked questions) about this support as well. I think that the centralised discussion page could likely also be used to post announcements (including at the Meta-Wiki and elsewhere), and that it could be volunteer-maintained rather than staff-maintained. Perhaps a separate FAQ page could be made. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 14:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It would be the template "Template:Community tabs" and it would look something like this:

<onlyinclude><div style="margin:4px auto;">{{Community tabs/core | lang = {{#invoke:Caller title|lang|base=Template:Community tabs}} | tab-1 = Community portal | link-1 = Commons:Community portal | tab-1.1 = introduction | link-1.1 = Commons:Welcome | tab-2 = Help desk | link-2 = Commons:Help desk | tab-2.1 = uploading | link-2.1 = Commons:Upload help | tab-3 = Village pump | link-3 = Commons:Village pump | tab-3.1 = copyright | link-3.1 = Commons:Village pump/Copyright | tab-3.2 = proposals | link-3.2 = Commons:Village pump/Proposals | tab-3.3 = technical | link-3.3 = Commons:Village pump/Technical | tab-4 = Administrators' noticeboard | link-4 = Commons:Administrators' noticeboard | tab-4.1 = vandalism | link-4.1 = Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism | tab-4.2 = user problems | link-4.2 = Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems | tab-4.3 = blocks and protections | link-4.3 = Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Blocks and protections | tab-5 = WMF support | link-5 = Commons:WMF support for Commons | tab-5.1 = Centralised discussion | link-5.1 = Commons:WMF support for Commons/Centralised discussion | tab-5.2 = Structured data | link-5.2 = Commons:Structured data | tab-5.3 = WikiLegal | link-5.3 = Commons:WMF support for Commons/WikiLegal for Commons }}</div></onlyinclude> {{Community tabs/end}}

This would make it highly visible and easy for everyone to find, increasing community engagement with the developments. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 14:48, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your proposal. User:Udehb-WMF will discuss with the rest of the involved staff, and they'll let you know their thoughts at some point. Best, Elitre (WMF) (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your constructive suggestions, @Donald Trung. We appreciate the effort you've put into improving this page, notably the creation of the shortcut, Commons:WMF, which will certainly enhance the visibility of the page.
Before implementing further changes, Let's first focus on the reorganization of the existing page and how we can best present the information currently available. We believe it's essential to focus on restructuring the current page for optimal usability with the aim to ensure changes are effective, efficient, and sustainable. In the coming weeks, I plan to improve the page by adding a static section listing WMF active projects on Commons, as part of the effort to enhance the page. Once we have a solid structure in place, we can then explore the idea of a WMF village pump.
We'll continue to review your suggestions and will keep you updated on our progress. Again, we appreciate your active participation in this process and welcome any further ideas or feedback you might have. Udehb-WMF (talk) 13:10, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to second the proposal of adding this page to Template:Community tabs and other places (like Commons:Community portal). There's currently no "natural" way discover this page, you're pretty much flying under everyone's radar right now. El Grafo (talk) 08:23, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FoP reform status by jurisdiction

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Perhaps someone here could comment on Commons:Village_pump#FoP_reform_status_by_jurisdiction? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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We are having a discussion about the copyright status of files contributed by WMF staffers (and volunteers, too). I notified the contributors' talk pages but it looks like those pages are not monitored by anyone.[1][2] I think it's also possible that they were messengers when uploading those files and cannot answer copyright questions in their capacities. Can someone inside the organization notify the right people? whym (talk) 09:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, @Whym, for bringing this to our attention. I will make sure to notify the relevant people to address this. - Udehb-WMF (talk) 10:43, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Il faut se retrouver chaque année vis-à-vis (physiquement)

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Organiser des rencontres, ça serait un atout pour ceux qui désiraient de mieux outiller. Il y a des gens qui ne savent pas comment mieux relayer l'information et contribuer aussi. Donc si vous vous retrouvez physiquement, avec son smartphone ou ordinateur, vous allez commencer à lui montrer et de retour dans son pays, il devient un formateur, et il peut élargir votre projet dans son pays en créant des conférences. Merci Baname LARE (talk) 14:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Video tool is broken (and what that says)

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When this project first kicked off, I highlighted the urgent need to improve video conversion as part of the upload process. Plenty of others agreed, making it one of the top-ranked issues in the technical needs survey. According to @Sannita (WMF), it was considered but ultimately deemed not a priority. The conversion tool is now completely broken, effectively halting video uploading to the project entirely.

To Sannita (and more importantly to managers like @MMiller (WMF) setting priorities) — If you'd like us to stop complaining about the lack of collaboration in this project, it doesn't matter how many times you ask us what our priorities are if you don't then allocate resources toward those priorities. Chicocvenancio should not be the sole, volunteer, unpaid point of contact for something like this. What support are you willing to offer, on what timeline, to get basic video conversion for Commons working? Sdkb talk 20:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a stopgap could be to have the tool keep updated a public list of pending uploads. Then the most needed tasks could be handled by those who (for example) could manage a chunked upload. This intermediate goal might be easier for WMF to appropriate development funds for than the overall video processing pipeline. Arlo James Barnes 22:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think its a dangerous path to require WMF to automatically be the fallback maintainer to any volunteer made tool that becomes sufficiently popular. WMF didn't make it and thus had no say in how maintainable the chosen solution was, they shouldn't automatically be forced to maintain it. Long term i think video conversion should be integrated into mediawiki. The current situation is nore the result of weird historical politics and misunderstandings than reasonable technical requirements. Bawolff (talk) 02:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I think it's far more likely for the WMF to develop their own tools/software than to take on volunteer-made tools. Granted, that's unlikely to happen in the short term, but, well, that's why we raised this many months ago, before it became an issue needing short-term resolution. Sdkb talk 03:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. 1) Why would it be "dangerous"? 2) video2commons is not "any" volunteer-made tool but a highly useful widely used important one. 3) Using volunteer-made tools is the best approach as it saves developer time and money both of which are needed for allocation to any of the giant amount of work that could be done instead such as solving code issues and implementing Community Wishlist proposals. 4) The right approach considering your concerns would most likely to develop something completely from scratch but to improve that tool and maybe redevelop parts of it. 5) I'd agree that it would be best if this was integrated into MediaWiki itself and I think using that tool or the code from it would be the easiest, fastest way to get there and the tool is likely more robust than a newly developed one which isn't unlikely to get the same bugs and issues already solved here.
Also agree with Sdkb. Why is it too much too ask of an organization with many millions of dollars and a potential audience of a few thousand potential volunteer developers to potential banners and campaigns to provide just basic technical development for key tools and MediaWiki? Last time I checked, interactive visualizations are broken on Wikipedia, WMCommons pages are not indexed, WMF is spending money who knows what exactly, various useful things are just hidden on mobile, and Wikipedia tables still can't be viewed on mobile. Prototyperspective (talk) 23:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Why would it be dangerous" because it is a "however much water comes at you, you HAVE to drink it" situation. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but I don't understand. Maybe you mean to say that there could be further problems also requiring time to solve which I don't see why and/or why that would be a problem / why there would be a better alternative. That's just speculation so please just simply be clearer, thanks. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not speculation, it's clear to see for anyone with some experience in this space. There are hundreds of such tools in dozens of languages. It just doesn't scale. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to what I wrote being speculation because I didn't understand what you meant. I don't know why people just don't state things clearly, you still haven't and I don't know what your concern is. Prototyperspective (talk) 15:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note that videocuttool now can convert and upload videos. Ainali (talk) 12:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ainali: One has to download first if the videos are on the Internet.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 15:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ainali: I downloaded the MP4 from https://archive.org/details/dixiana-4-k but it threw an error, see phab:T366619.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 16:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Annual plan 2024-2025 discussions regarding Wikimedia Commons

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These are some relevant conversations regarding Wikimedia Commons and the 2024-2025 annual plan that might be of interest to followers of this page:

Thanks. - Fuzheado (talk) 17:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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