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A protester in London holds a sign with the phrase "Stop Putler" after Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

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Suggested crop. ★ 17:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Gallery: Commons:Featured pictures/Historical#2020-now
•  Info created by Alisdare Hickson - uploaded by A1Cafel - nominated by Thi
•  Support --Thi (talk) 13:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support --Wilfredor (talk) 13:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Question However much one agrees with the sentiments, is FPC the place for snapshot of a crude political statement? I don't think so. Charlesjsharp (talk) 14:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  Politics is everywhere and has to do with history. Voting for an image is a fundamental right that we should all exercise, regardless of our political opinions. Historical photographs, from Nazism to Communism, remind us of past realities. These images should not prevent us from supporting a photograph that opposes a dictator. Supporting that image is defending justice and freedom. Wilfredor (talk) 19:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  You know not everything is a "right". We humans like to think of ourselves as deservant or entitled to something, when in reality we only deserve as much as we get. Having said that, I see no need to feature this image, so  Oppose. Wolverine XI 20:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment The question here is whether this is an outstanding photo or not. Not for me because the face is covered. The judgement should always be neutral, completely independent of political views. Anything else would be manipulation.--Ermell (talk) 19:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Oppose --Ermell (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Comment A stunning image. Very well processed, insane light, very good storytelling by repeating the subject from the DoF in the unsharp background. That face, crystal sharp looking directly to us – very good. I would love to vote for this image. But the historical statement made by the crowd here can only be described as anti-historic. I would have no problem if they would protest again Putin or even for him. But the Hitler comparison is so stupid. Well, I have to think about it. Perhaps I will come to the conclusion that the content is not disturbing that masterpiece of photography. --August (talk) 22:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  Could it then be a good representation of human stupidity? In any case all authoritarian governments are compared to Hitler Wilfredor (talk) 01:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  My analysis: this image represents an iconic anti-Putin (Putler) protest and has the wow factor, as well as an anti-communist or a Nazi propaganda poster. History is history. Period. ★ 17:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  Stop this "period" thing, it's getting old. Anyways, history is history is a very weak argument because it doesn't take into account all the crazy shit we humans have done and continue to do, examples include the holocaust, 9/11, World War I & II, American Civil War, Slave Trade, environmental damages, atheism, hate speech, antisemitism and the list continues. Wolverine XI 21:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  By your logic, this 9/11 photo should never be promoted (I just invite you to nominate it for FP delisting). ★ 21:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  We are judging historical FPs, not the facts that led to events. ★ 01:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Neutral Emblematic, but I prefer my suggested crop. ★ 17:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

   Support I took the initiative to crop, since the author is not a Commons user. ★ 01:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Support However I'd also prefer the crop --Lupe (talk) 19:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, the disturbing arm is a issue. ★ 01:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Support OK. I thought it through. Supporting it as a stunning photographic work. --August (talk) 19:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support the Hitler comparison is messed up, but this is not the forum to discuss that. --SHB2000 (talk) 23:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  That's the point! ★ 17:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose The engaged personification of blinkered mass. It's so naive... --Alex Florstein (talk) 07:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Oppose Beautiful eyes and long clean hair, but the nazi salute attributed to Putin ruins the message. Face hidden behind a scarf, as only semi-convinced, semi-recognizable. And she seems more attentive to the photographer and the image of herself than to the protest in action. Looking at the viewer, she seems to say "look at my Photoshopped Putler shared on Facebook and Instagram ". Nazi analogies are so often rehashed that they are not very powerful, in addition to corrupting ancient history. It's like representing Vladimir Putin dressed as a devil with horns and tail, I don't know who would worry about that. It can even cause the opposite of the desired goal. An image of a real, serious fact truly attributed to Putin would be better than a poor mental fabrication. And a convincing protester with more energy -- Basile Morin (talk) 10:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Comment Such a heated political discussion but no one notices possible copyright problems? --A.Savin 12:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment When I reviewed the image, there was no violation warning. Did you add this? --August (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Sure, just surprised that for some people it needs a warning to see potential issues. Or not surprised. --A.Savin 20:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• And the PR template. It could be derivative from one of these Nazi salutes, but it looks like not -- Basile Morin (talk) 01:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose Disgusting political propaganda. Ю. Данилевский (talk) 19:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  Nice that "disgusting propaganda" is more important argument for you here on Commons, rather than possible copyright violation. --A.Savin 19:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  I did say that FPC is not the place for snapshot of a crude political statement and look, it leads to a political 'Disgusting' comment. Why not just withdraw it Thi? Charlesjsharp (talk) 20:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I consider the picture photojournalism. It is nominated for the contemporary history gallery. Demonstrations and statements like this were common in 2022. --Thi (talk) 21:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose We have some unwriten rule, not to put actual political situtaion on FP, till it cool down. Probably we have double copyvio, i doubt author of printed photo made Kremelj and Putin photo, to make collage. Above all, i dont want to see this "hate speach" as picture of the day. --Mile (talk) 11:15, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Comment The sign includes copyrighted elements, so the picture is under deletion according to Commons:Derivative works. 29 Wikipedia articles use the image. It could be useful if the sign was blurred like the license plate numbers in some pictures. I don't do it with my own skills, so that the picture doesn't start to resemble Ecce Homo. --Thi (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment Agree; maybe we can help here. @A.Savin: Would you agree that it is sufficient to blur the image(s) on the demonstrator’s sign, keeping the “Stop Putler!” letters, to get rid of the copyright violation problem? Then such a modified version of this image could be kept as a useful illustration for the mentioned Wikipedia articles. Is it also necessary to blur the (already very blurry) Hitler image on the sign in the background? I would regard the latter as de minimis because it is out of focus. (And no, I do not want to promote/defent the “Putler” term; historically this is certainly a wrong comparison, just as most comparisons; but the term exists, and the image is a good illustration.) – Aristeas (talk) 19:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

• Not just the source images but also the collage itself (yes, even as poorly made one as this) may be a reason to claim copyright. So no, blurring wouldn't help us and the image should be deleted. --A.Savin 10:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

• Retouched image: File:Stop Putler sign (edited).jpg. --Thi (talk) 11:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Support per August, SHB2000, and Thi. – Aristeas (talk) 08:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

  Das ist nicht dein Ernst... --A.Savin 10:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

  Klar, das Bild wird wahrscheinlich aus Copvio-Gründen gelöscht werden, aber einfach als Foto betrachtet finde ich es wirklich gut. Es ist absolut kein “snapshot”, sondern sehr gut gemacht. In früheren Diskussionen haben diverse Leute empfohlen, die Copyright-Fragen im Löschantrag zu diskutieren und nicht hier – also folge ich diesem Rat. Und wenn ich die rein politischen Begründungen sehe, die hier für einige Kontra-Stimmen verwendet werden, und den Druck, der gegenüber dem Nominerenden aufgebaut wird (“Why not just withdraw” etc.), dann möchte ich – auch zu dessen moralischer Unterstützung – auch mit Pro stimmen. Aristeas (talk) 14:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose Possible copyvio, not sure if the picture of a person holding a photoshopped image from internet is better in terms of copyright than the picture itself. Красный ^{wanna talk?} 14:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support Анастасия Львова^ru/en 08:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support according to Aristeas' statement in German. -- Radomianin (talk) 14:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed results:

Result: 9 support, 7 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /-- Radomianin (talk) 21:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)