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Nominated by:
Medium69 You wanted talk to me? on 2015-12-11 13:04 (UTC) |
Scope:
Eiffel Tower, facing southeast |
Comment Please link to the correct category, there are a lot of pictures without cut-off base. --Llez (talk) 20:42, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Done I indicated the initial category. --Medium69 You wanted talk to me? 00:21, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It lacks the lower part of the monument. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:53, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Moved to MVR (The VI submision entry will be removed from this page in 24 hours time. Please review the page here -- Martinvl (talk) 16:14, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Llez: If we read Most valued review we see "There must be at least two candidates competing within essentially the same scope to open an MVR." This does not say that the scopes must be identical.
- If we read Valued image scope#Buildings, bullet 4 we see that it is recommended that there be only one VI nomination per building showing its external view. This suggests to me that if the VI rules are to be properly followed, then all images of the Eiffel Tower from whatever direction fall within the same scope.
- Using Google Earth, I found that the difference in bearing for the two images was about 1.5 degrees, meaning that both were taken from the South-East. To my way of thinking, this means that both nominations are "essentially the same scope".
- Martinvl (talk) 08:00, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but it depends also on distance and angle. The pictures from Champ de Mars are more comparable and we have there also better competitors. --Llez (talk) 08:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Llez: Why then does Valued image scope#Buildings, bullet 4 say that there shouLd only be one VI that shows the exterior of a building? This means that all images of thE external view of a building should compete, regardless of angle or distance. Martinvl (talk) 08:59, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Martinvl: I don't read bullet 4 that way, as it never says there should only ever be one exterior scope. Quite the contrary in fact, it clearly says additional scopes may appropriate. DeFacto (talk). 12:23, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Scores:
1. Tour Eiffel - 20150801 13h30 (10609).jpg: 0 <--
2. Paris, Eiffel Tower from the Tour Montparnasse, October 2010.jpg: -1
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File:Tour Eiffel - 20150801 13h30 (10609).jpg: Undecided. <--
File:Paris, Eiffel Tower from the Tour Montparnasse, October 2010.jpg: Undecided.
--DeFacto (talk). 19:00, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Martinvl (talk) on 2015-12-12 16:00 (UTC) |
Scope:
Eiffel Tower from the southeast |
Reason:
A few weeks ago I suggested an MVR when a VI image of the EIffel Tower (height 300 metres) from the SE was submitted. In my view that image was distorted because it was taken from ground level from too close to the tower. I have now looked through most images of the Eiffel Tower from the SE and in my view this image, taken from the Tour Montparnasse, probably from a height of 210 metres from a distance of 2.7 km and probably using a 300 mm lens seems to me to be the best image in this scope. The only way that a better image from the SE (less perspective distortion) could be obtained would be from an aircraft (or balloon) using a 50 mm lens from about 500 metres. I tidied up the description and was able to add the coordinates from the category. -- Martinvl (talk) |
Comment: Moved to MVR (The VI submission entry will be removed from this page in 24 hours time. Please review the page here -- Martinvl (talk) 16:15, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Yann: If we read Most valued review we see "There must be at least two candidates competing within essentially the same scope to open an MVR." This does not say that the scopes must be identical.
- If we read Valued image scope#Buildings, bullet 4 we see that it is recommended that there be only one VI nomination per building showing its external view. This suggests to me that if the VI rules are to be properly followed, then all images of the Eiffel Tower from whatever direction fall within the same scope.
- Using Google Earth, I found that the difference in bearing for the two images was about 1.5 degrees, meaning that both were taken from the South-East. To my way of thinking, this means that both nominations are "essentially the same scope".
- Martinvl (talk) 08:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with that, and it's not my reason for opposing. For this scope, I would expect an image taken from the ground, which would have a very different background. And this picture is not included in this category. Regards, Yann (talk) 09:05, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Martinvl: I don't read the guidelines that way, as it never says there should only ever be one exterior scope. Quite the contrary in fact, it clearly says additional scopes may appropriate. And I agree with @Yann: that even if from approximately the same direction, a high-level view is not in the same scope as a ground-level view. DeFacto (talk). 12:28, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Scores:
1. Tour Eiffel - 20150801 13h30 (10609).jpg: 0
2. Paris, Eiffel Tower from the Tour Montparnasse, October 2010.jpg: -1 <--
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File:Tour Eiffel - 20150801 13h30 (10609).jpg: Undecided.
File:Paris, Eiffel Tower from the Tour Montparnasse, October 2010.jpg: Undecided. <--
--DeFacto (talk). 19:01, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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