Category talk:Townsend Avenue and Utting Avenue roundabout
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Other eyes requested on the location of this roundabout. I maintain it's in Clubmoor because that is where it is shown on Liverpool City Council's Ward maps here and here (it is the southerly of the two in roughly the centre of the maps). Another editor insists it's in Norris Green because "I grew up in Norris Green I know my area! If you want an "edit war" fine. I have no issue here as I am 100% correct." and has proceeded to edit-war her preferred, unsourced, version into the category. I believe we should use reliable sources rather than none, and these ward boundaries have the force of law, being set by the Boundary Commission for England and Wales. Rodhullandemu (talk) 21:10, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Example 1) Belle Vale ward covers Netherley but they are two separate districts. Example 2) Vauxhall area used to be in its own ward now that ward is defunct and it is now in the Kirkdale ward. This does not mean Vauxhall is part of Kirkdale or renamed Kirkdale. Example 3) Some wards are twin named such as Fairfield and Kensington, or Speke/Garston. With Rodhullandemu's reasoning then those city districts would be named as such but they are not. Example 4) Some wards are not named after the main area they cover such as Greenbank, or Central or Riverside. So Rodhullandemu's logic would mean places and images in those wards should be changed. But those are merely administrative wards they are not districts.
@Rodhullandemu and Babydoll9799: Closed (no consensus that one or the other category is the exclusively correct category, can simply be categorized in both to facilitate both navigational paths.) Josh (talk) 17:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC) |
Roundabout location
[edit]Location dispute to an area of Liverpool, England.
Very disappointed to say that the contributor/owner to these images has persistently defended his/her position that the roundabouts are in Clubmoor based on the council ward maps. As a former resident of Norris Green I know this is not Clubmoor at all. However the council ward map (for Clubmoor) covers this area. The council wards are not places they are arbitrary. Just like Parliamentary constituencies they can change. The evidence is clear even on Wikipedia where there are defunct wards.
Example provided included the Belle Vale ward which covers Netherley. Other wards provide similar questions as there are wards that are not areas, such as Greenbank, County, and Church, and wards that are duel places like Fairfield & Kensington, Speke Garston. If the user want's to use the ward as fact then surely that would mean rewriting many places so that locations in Speke would be called Speke Garston for example. Many area boundaries are not easy to define but I think this is one that is very clear. The fact is the ward map that puts this under Clubmoor confuses the issue. To tell me to take the issue up with Liverpool City Council is one thing, but the user is misguided.
The contributor has taken both a very heavy handed attitude towards myself and also very disrespectful and hostile. The user has also refused to understand the locality for reasons unknown apart from citing the council ward as the "proof". The ward map may be official but as explained this does not mean the roundabouts are in Clubmoor. The map also covers Broadway as Clubmoor whilst this is basically Norris Green's district centre. I've provided other examples such as Norris Green Library but the user has dismissed anything I've advised and threatened to block me "for ever". How can a user behave like this? Babydoll9799 (talk) 09:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- As an RfC, this is defective because "at least two editors must have contacted the user on the user’s talk page" hasn't happened, neither has the RfC been created and transcluded, so nobody will see it. But when an assertion is disputed, we turn to reliable sources. This roundabout is one of the two seen together at a road junction on the this map and another map. The boundaries of the Clubmoor Ward of Liverpool City have been set by the Boundaries Commission for England and Wales and thus have legal effect. The complainant has provided no links, no documentary evidence and nothing beyond an opinion and local knowledge that this bridge is in Norris Green. Rather, she has preferred to edit-war her own unsourced version in the category. Sorry, but "I live there" and "everybody knows" do not trump a legal document. She would have been blocked for edit-warring by now but I consider myself involved, if only to the extent of preventing incorrect data being put here. Rodhullandemu (talk) 11:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)