Category talk:Smoking people

Category:People by posture

[people] looking [direction]

Softball player looking left. Or is that right?

In "[people] looking [direction]", does the direction refer to the viewer or the subject? For example, this softball player is looking to her left but to the viewer's right. Which category should it go in? Looking at the existing categorisation, there seems to be some disagreement. Brianjd (talk) 14:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

i'd say it makes more sense to categorise this example photo as people looking to the left. imagine asking a question, "where is the person looking at?" the more natural answer for me is "she's looking to the left" / "she turns her head to the left".--RZuo (talk) 10:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe there was a more recent CfD that got into the nitty-gritty of categorizing by direction of facing, looking, etc.: Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/01/Category:People looking downward

I think this portion of this CfD should be subsumed into that discussion. Josh (talk) 03:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

up or down doesnt depend on the perspective, but left or right is mirrored if we switch perspectives between the person and the camera.--RZuo (talk) 08:12, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Simply move categories to e.g. "People looking to their left" and so on without leaving redirects. It's ambiguous. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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[people] [doing something] or [doing something] [people]?

two problems:

1. it's not consistent to describe a person doing an action. under "People by posture" it's mostly "doing people", except for expressions that cannot be written this way, e.g. Category:People looking forward. but in another cat tree Category:People by facial expression it's mostly "people doing" (Category:Smiling people was only moved in 2020). and in Category:People by activity it's overwhelmingly "people doing".
2. when the verb is a transitive verb, the format "doing people" is confusing. for example, Category:Saluting women is now a category for women that are saluting, but the expression itself sounds like it's a cat for all incidences of "people saluting women", for example, if someone inspects female soldiers and does the saluting gesture.

for clarity i think it should all be moved to "people doing something".--RZuo (talk) 10:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Category:Licking animals, without looking inside the cat, do you know whether it contains animals which are licking something, or animals being licked? RZuo (talk) 14:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@RZuo: I agree and there are no objections so does the following seem appropriate:

•  Keep Category:People crawling
•  Keep Category:People crouching
•  Keep Category:People falling
• Rename Category:Handstands people to Category:People doing handstands (a 'handstands person'?!?)
• Rename Category:Hiding people to Category:People hiding (though hiding people can be fun and profitable, I am told)
• Rename Category:Human chin up to Category:People with raised chins (I thought it was about people doing chin-ups when I first saw it)
• Rename Category:Hunching people to Category:People hunching
•  Keep Category:People kneeling
• Rename Category:Leaning people to Category:People leaning
•  Keep Category:People pointing
• Rename Category:Recumbent people to Category:People laying down
•  Keep Category:People rotating
• Rename Category:Saluting people to Category:People saluting (we certainly have images of both people saluting people as well as people just saluting, so this is a good one to fix)
• Rename Category:Sitting people to Category:People sitting
• Rename Category:Standing people to Category:People standing

I didn't get every single one, but this is the idea anyway. Any objections? Josh (talk) 03:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

i think we can keep Category:Recumbent people. it's a tricky category to deal with. there're also several kinds of lying down (face/belly up or down or sideways).

i think opinions from more people are needed for this particular category.--RZuo (talk) 08:12, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@RZuo: I agree, that was the one that gave me a bit of pause, mainly because it didn't have an obvious 'people' 'acting' (people recumbing? no.) Anyway, happy to drop that one from the group. We can always revisit it in the future with its own discussion. Josh (talk) 02:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

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This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus	Resolved by consensus
Actions	Rename category (for 8 listed for change above--not including Recumbent people)
Participants	RZuo (talk · contribs)
Closed by	Josh (talk) 14:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

 Comment This resolution is only for the second section of this CfD, first section above is still open at the moment. Josh (talk) 14:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)