Category talk:Sarcophagus from Myrmekion

@Netelo: In sarcophagus studies, the expression "(ancient) Roman sarcophagus" is commonly used in a wide sense, including all (relief-decorated) sarcophagi from the Roman Empire, regardless if they were manufactured in Rome (which are called "metropolitan" sarcophagi in English), in/around Athens ("Attic" sarcophagi) or in Asia Minor (with the main production centre in Dokimeion).

Please see, for example, the book title of Ms. Saverkina's Hermitage catalogue: Römische Sarkophage in der Ermitage, where the present sarcophagus is included as number 2.

Accordingly, I'd like to ask you to reconsider your undo action. -- Martinus KE (talk) 20:05, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

• Мне подобная классификация кажется очень странной. В официальном каталоге Эрмитажа (смотрите здесь: https://hermitagemuseum.org/wps/portal/hermitage/digital-collection/25.%20archaeological%20artifacts/16052?lng=en) никаких отсылок к Риму нет, греческие полисы в Крыму относятся к древнегреческой культуре, но никогда не относились к римской. Древняя Греция и Древний Рим - совершенно разные несмешиваемые понятия. --Netelo (talk) 20:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
• Нашел информацию в русской книге, действительно, русские исследователи относят этот саркофаг и к римской культуре тоже. Вы правы, примите извинения, свою правку отменяю. --Netelo (talk) 20:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Netelo: Sorry for having to write in English. In (former Western) Germany, I simply didn't learn Russian. Today, obviously, it would be handy to know more than the alphabet and a few common loan words such as саркофаг (Sarkophag in German), мрамор (Marmor in German), орнамент (Ornament, ... you get it ...), and proper names.

Thanks for your agreement, and for your photos as well! – As I see it, the matter is mostly one of conventions on how to call things. Of course, Roman culture (from the 1^st century BC) is 'unthinkable' without the Greek heritage. The other way round, Greece cannot have been purely Greek anymore after several centuries of Roman rule. So, I guess the Attic sarcophagi will also somehow be both, Greek and Roman. In fact, 100 years ago (or a little more), it was common to speak of Greek sarcophagi. But according to today's convention, it's the other way round: they are included in the study of "Roman sarcophagi", in 600-page manuals, museum catalogues under that title, etc.

The same convention is also followed in Commons: Even those Attic sarcophagi of the Roman era which never left Athens are categorised in Category:Ancient Roman sarcophagi in Athens and Category:Ancient Roman sarcophagi in the National Archaeological Museum of Athens (both named "... Roman ...").

By the way, I guess the article about this sarcophagus, w:ru:Мирмекийский саркофаг, is the largest article on any single Roman sarcophagus available in any of the Wikipedias. Impressive.

Considering the fragmentary preservation, I've also been surprised by the number of recent publications on this sarcophagus, as here are so many other beauties among ancient sarcophagi. (Today, the PDF file downloads don't work though, maybe due to the political situation.) -- Martinus KE (talk) 11:34, 4 March 2022 (UTC)