Category talk:People with Mk 20 Sniper Support Rifle

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Category:People with Mk 20 Sniper Support Rifle

Should be renamed to "People with FN SCAR-H PR/TPR" to cover non-USSOCOM rifles Dvaderv2 (talk) 23:44, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

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@Dvaderv2: Closed (subsumed into discussion at: Commons:Categories for discussion/2022/04/Category:Mk 20 Sniper Support Rifle) Josh (talk) 00:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Mk 20 Sniper Support Rifle

Should be renamed to "FN SCAR-H PR/TPR" to cover non-USSOCOM rifles Dvaderv2 (talk) 23:44, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

 Comment Subsuming Commons:Categories for discussion/2022/04/Category:People with Mk 20 Sniper Support Rifle ("Should be renamed to "People with FN SCAR-H PR/TPR" to cover non-USSOCOM rifles Dvaderv2 (talk) 23:44, 9 April 2022 (UTC)") into this discussion. Josh (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

 Question @Dvaderv2: Is there any difference between the "Mk 20 Sniper Support Rifle" and the "FN SCAR-H TPR", or is the former merely the US designation for the latter? Josh (talk) 00:43, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Josh: I'm not 100% sure. I do know that the Mk 20 is semi-automatic only whereas the PR and TPR are or were offered in both semi-auto and select-fire configurations. Also, the Mk 20 and the TPR are visually similar if not indeed identical apart from the flash hider.

Having looked at FN's main site (offering the PR and TPR) and American site (offering the Mk 20), there are a few specification differences between the Mk 20 and the TPR 20" (the most directly comparable PR/TPR variant) but they do seem to be minor (Overall length of 40.5" to 42.5" for the Mk 20 vs. 41" to 42.72" for the TPR, weight of 10.69 lb. for the Mk 20 vs. ±11.02 lb for the TPR). Dvaderv2 (talk) 10:18, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dvaderv2: Thanks for that information! It would seem we have three different items here then, so I would recommend the following:

1.  Keep Category:Mk 20 Sniper Support Rifle for files actually depicting the US-designated Mk 20 version of the TPR. This would include any that find their way into non-US hands.
2. Create Category:FN SCAR-H PR if and when we have files depicting the PR version.
3. Create Category:FN SCAR-H TPR if and when we have files depicting the TPR version. Category:Mk 20 Sniper Support Rifle can be a child category of this one, as Mk 20s are a sub-set of TPRs.

I do not see a particular reason to have an umbrella category for PR/TPR, each of them can just live under Category:FN SCAR-H, so ultimately:

• Category:FN SCAR-H
  • Category:FN SCAR-H PR
  • Category:FN SCAR-H TPR
    • Category:Mk 20 Sniper Support Rifle

Some brief explanation in the category header might also be helpful. Josh (talk) 23:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Josh: Except that FN clearly regard the PR and TPR as being sufficiently related to one another to offer them in the one product entry/listing; I certainly haven't seen anything to suggest that there are any differences between the two rifles other than buttstock design. As for the Mk 20, what you're proposing makes sense, but as something that FN America intended primarily for USSOCOM procurement, the only real user of the Mk 20 is... USSOCOM. Now, there may end up being some non-US examples out there due to FMS and other initiatives, but without explicit identification of such rifles as being Mk 20s they wouldn't be readily distinguishable from the PR/TPR at a glance, particularly if the vagaries of photographic angles and/or quality meant that markings couldn't be easily made out or indeed couldn't be made out at all.Dvaderv2 (talk) 00:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dvaderv2: Understood, though it is enough of a difference for FN to give them two separate designations. It is kind of a moot point if we don't have any files depicting these. As for Mk 20 in non-US hands, I'm referring to not only FMS but to captured examples and other such (I wouldn't be shocked to see them appear in Ukraine, for example). I am not finding any SCAR-H offerings that are not PR or TPR types, do we have files of any such examples? Josh (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2022 (UTC)