Category talk:History of Nissewaard
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Hoe kan Nissewaard al geschiedenis hebben vóór 2015?
[edit]Nissewaard is pas een gemeente per 1-1-2015. Hoe kan het dan dat er al categorieën zijn van vóór die tijd? Nieuwesluis verdween al in de jaren 60 van de vorige eeuw, de gemeente Bernisse hield juist op te bestaan per 1-1-2015, er zijn categorieën gemaakt per jaar en decade tussen 2000 en 2014 en andere categorieën zijn ook dubieus. JopkeB (talk) 16:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
@Fantaglobe11, Gricle, and Cycn: Could you please react to this question? --JopkeB (talk) 06:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Those historical categories refer to the former municipalities which are now part of the municipality of Nissewaard. Gricle (talk) 06:34, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Nissewaard does have history before 2015 by definition as for instance the municipality of Bernisse is part of Nissewaard's history, but ended before 2015. But I agree that the Category:Nissewaard by year from before 2015 look weird, I would understand it if those in-between categories weren't there and a category like Category:2014 in Spijkenisse would be placed directly in Category:Nissewaard by year or only via Category:Spijkenisse by year. Cycn (talk) 08:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- My proposal:
- Keep Category:History of Nissewaard, with the most of the current subcategories, but get rid of:
- Bernisse (revert to the situation of 8 dec 2014, with Voorne-Putten as a parent category) and Nieuwesluis (idem)
- Categories about Nissewaard by year before 2014 (delete them)
- Category: Nissewaard in the 2000s (delete)
- Categories from before 2015 should indeed only be in Category:Spijkenisse/Heenvliet by year.
- Make a description on the main categories about the situation.
- Keep Category:History of Nissewaard, with the most of the current subcategories, but get rid of:
- Please give your thoughts about this proposal. JopkeB (talk) 16:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Basically, I would agree with your proposal. But, I think there could be a problem about the templates Heenvlietyear and Spijkenisseyear, because they create a parent category XXXX in Nissewaard. For the present, it is quite helpful, but it isn't while referring to past before 2015. They still will create this parent category, although it's not wanted. Best regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 13:49, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Fantaglobe11 for your attentiveness, this indeed is a problem. Templates are good tools for straightforward situations, but not in this case. So that leaves us with only Bernisse and Nieuwesluis to get rid of, the rest is technically not possible. We can mention that in the description with a reference to this discussion. JopkeB (talk) 14:51, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, that could be a possible solution. @Gricle and Cycn: What do you think about it? Best regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 15:28, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Well, the Bernisse year categories would be valid, leave those under History of Nissewaard. Spijkenisse is quite a significant town (almost but very much not a city), it may have its history for the town itself. But, basically, getting rid of the categories that don't line up with existence of municipalities makes sense. Cycn (talk) 22:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- Cycn, why should the Bernisse year categories stay under History of Nissewaard? Bernisse ended at 31-12-2014, Nissewaard started at 01-01-2015, so it was never a part of Nissewaard, only the populated places that belonged to Bernisse went to Nissewaard. The same applies to the municipality of Spijkenisse (including Hekelingen). So why should we treat Bernisse and Spijkenisse differently? JopkeB (talk) 08:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Spijkenisse is a town, Bernisse isn't, so they're quite different. Cycn (talk) 16:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- It looks like we have different points of views. Anyway:
- It is technically not possible to remove the subcategories of Spijkenisse by year from History of Nissewaard, unless the template will be changed and/or split into two (one until 2014 and the other from 2015 onwards). I know my my limitations, templates are not my thing. So unless someone else makes these changes, the situation will stay as it is now.
- I still find it problematic that Bernisse by year will stay in Nissewaard by year, since it has never been a part of Nissewaard. And Bernisse is rather simple to remove from that category. So I still would like to reverse the situation for Bernisse to 2014.
- JopkeB (talk) 15:08, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
- It looks like we have different points of views. Anyway:
- Spijkenisse is a town, Bernisse isn't, so they're quite different. Cycn (talk) 16:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Cycn, why should the Bernisse year categories stay under History of Nissewaard? Bernisse ended at 31-12-2014, Nissewaard started at 01-01-2015, so it was never a part of Nissewaard, only the populated places that belonged to Bernisse went to Nissewaard. The same applies to the municipality of Spijkenisse (including Hekelingen). So why should we treat Bernisse and Spijkenisse differently? JopkeB (talk) 08:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Well, the Bernisse year categories would be valid, leave those under History of Nissewaard. Spijkenisse is quite a significant town (almost but very much not a city), it may have its history for the town itself. But, basically, getting rid of the categories that don't line up with existence of municipalities makes sense. Cycn (talk) 22:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, that could be a possible solution. @Gricle and Cycn: What do you think about it? Best regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 15:28, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Fantaglobe11 for your attentiveness, this indeed is a problem. Templates are good tools for straightforward situations, but not in this case. So that leaves us with only Bernisse and Nieuwesluis to get rid of, the rest is technically not possible. We can mention that in the description with a reference to this discussion. JopkeB (talk) 14:51, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Basically, I would agree with your proposal. But, I think there could be a problem about the templates Heenvlietyear and Spijkenisseyear, because they create a parent category XXXX in Nissewaard. For the present, it is quite helpful, but it isn't while referring to past before 2015. They still will create this parent category, although it's not wanted. Best regards -- Fantaglobe11 (talk) 13:49, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- My proposal:
- Nissewaard does have history before 2015 by definition as for instance the municipality of Bernisse is part of Nissewaard's history, but ended before 2015. But I agree that the Category:Nissewaard by year from before 2015 look weird, I would understand it if those in-between categories weren't there and a category like Category:2014 in Spijkenisse would be placed directly in Category:Nissewaard by year or only via Category:Spijkenisse by year. Cycn (talk) 08:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Conclusions
[edit]- It is not possible to delete the categories about Nissewaard before 2015 because that would cause problems about the templates Heenvlietyear and Spijkenisseyear. There is now a message in the descriptions of the involved categories.
- Categories Bernisse and Nieuwesluis have never been a part of Nissewaard, their parent categories now reflect that situation. There is a new Category:History of Voorne-Putten where they are in now.