User talk:Verbcatcher/Archive 2019

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Sain deleted files[edit]

Hi, and thanks for your work on Commons:Deletion requests/SAIN audio files. This morning I had a l'esprit de l'escalier moment, when I thought to myself that there must be an alternative solution to deletion. Nothing stops us from uploading to individual wikis which use the fair use licence, as all clips are under 30 seconds. Am I correct? Llywelyn2000 (talk) 14:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion --> here. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 12:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hand written notes by Hans Posse -- clarity[edit]

Verdcatcher - I believe there may have been a semantics problem. These handwritten notes as labeled in my project were actually the handwritten notes of the Museum Curator. The original HANDWRITTEN NOTES of Hans Posse are held by the museum. Posse made the notes in 1909. They are German/English translations and clarification of Hans Posse which needed explanation. The Museum is supplying added handwritten notes to clarify the official government museum translation document. BARRY BARON (talk) 21:16, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@BARRY BARON: I was commenting on the copyright status of File:Handwritten notes german museum hans posse.pdf. The title suggests that this was handwritten by Hans Posse, in which case it is out of copyright. I now understand that this is a letter from an unidentified museum curator and includes a translation of Posse's words. The copyright of letters belongs to the writer of the letter, not the recipient or the owner of the physical letter. A copyright will apply to the translation of Posse's words, and the copyright of the introduction of the letter is owned by its author. You have put "Source: Own work, Author BARRY BARON", which is incorrect. It is not your own work (the mechanical task of scanning a document does not count). The author is the museum curator, and probably also Hans Posse. The date should be the date the letter was written, with circa or a range of dates as appropriate. However, in my view this file is likely to be deleted.
I urge you to respond at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by BARRY BARON. Please state whether have inherited the copyright of Noel Baron's paintings (as opposed to the physical paintings). Only the copyright holder can license the use of photographs of the paintings. You or the copyright holder may be required to confirm the license using the Commons:OTRS system.
The main rules for Commens are described in Commons:Copyright rules. Every file on Commons must either be public domain or have been released with an acceptable licence by all its copyright holders. Any image of a painting by Noel Baron must be licensed by whoever holds the copyright of her artistic work, probably her heirs. Any letters must be licensed by whoever wrote them, and newspaper cuttings by the publisher of the newspaper. Photographs of Caravaggio's original painting are allowed because the painting is sufficiently old be be out of copyright. Verbcatcher (talk) 23:54, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
PS, like most people here, I only want files to be deleted if they are copyright violations or have 'no educational value'. If we can establish that the copyright position is ok them I will do my best to help you get the correct declarations in the file. Or you could ask at Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Regards, Verbcatcher (talk) 00:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Darthvader2 uploads[edit]

Hi Verbcatcher, sorry for all the trouble. As I see that you are a user willing to collaborate, I would like to ask you for guidance on the case of the following images:

I can contact the owners of the images and ask them to send an email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. Is there anything else I should do with the files while the email is being reviewed? Is there any way to definitively check that the email is actually sent by the owner of the image rights? I really want to clarify this situation, especially by being unfairly accused of creating a false Flickr account, something that seems to me a complete nonsense. Again, I appreciate your goodwill and hope you can help me solve this mess.--Darthvader2 (talk) 04:13, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Darthvader2: please see Commons:OTRS. The email would need to establish two things, firstly that the sender is who they claim to be, and secondly that they are legally entitled to assign the licenses to the images.
I have not used this system myself, but I think the first condition is usually met by the email being sent from an email address that is clearly associated with the sender, something like miguel.valdez.siller@cuadrangular.mx or marcelo.mindlin@pampaenergia.com. If their email acknowledges that they control the Flickr account then you are half way there.
Establishing that they own the copyright of these images may be more difficult. As I said on the deletion request page, the usual assumption is that the photographer owns the copyright, and the emails may be required to establish either that the photographer has released the photographs with the specified licence, or that they have transferred the copyright. The case of File:Marcelo Mindlin 2017.jpg is complicated by the almost-identical photo on an Ernst & Young website.[1]
It would probably be better to establish who the photographers are and get them to send an email to OTRS. Or, if they have an well-established Flickr account or a clearly-established business website, get them to post the images there with a suitable license. However, professional photographers are usually reluctant to release their work with a free license.
When you know that an email has been sent to OTRS you should follow the instructions at Template:OTRS pending. Verbcatcher (talk) 05:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I will contact the owners and ask them to send the email, hoping that this situation can be resolved.--Darthvader2 (talk) 14:20, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

September 2019: it's Wiki Loves Monuments time again![edit]

Hi

You're receiving this message because you've previously contributed to the annual Wiki Loves Monuments contest in the UK. We'd be delighted if you would do so again this year and help record our local built environment for future generations.

You can find more details at the Wiki Loves Monuments UK website. Or, if you have images taken in other countries, you can check the international options. This year's contest runs until 30 September 2019.

Many thanks for your help once more! MichaelMaggs (talk) 15:35, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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