User talk:Themightyquill/Archives/2015

Bathroom v Toilet

• https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bathroom
• https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/toilet

You have created a lot of new categories that just don't make sense. A Bathroom should have a bath, but you seem to be applying the term to Toilets. Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:40, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

El Pausilipo

You mentioned in my talk page:

Hi Vsanchez,

I'm not sure I understand the problem. There were a great many photos in Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Los Santos Province. Some of them were clearly named and categorized, some were not. So I created sub-categories for many (five in total) of the specific monuments in that category and made them subcategories of Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Los Santos Province. See Category:Iglesia_de_San_Atanasio_(Los_Santos) for example. I also created Category:Finca "Pausílipo" del Doctor Belisario Porras‎ for that specific monument, and placed images of that monument in that category. The category is a sub-category of Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Los Santos Province. You have removed some but not all of the images of that monument from that category. Because Category:Finca "Pausílipo" del Doctor Belisario Porras‎ is a subcategory of Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Los Santos Province, no image should be in both categories. Commons now has 8 images of that monument, so I don't see the problem with the monument having its own category. I'll wait to hear from you again before I add them back into their category. Thanks. Themightyquill (talk) 14:16, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

My answer:

What I do not understand is why you ELIMINATED the category "Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Los Santos Province" completely. I am not against creating sub-categories, and I agree with you if that is what you are doing. However, eliminating the "Los Santos Province" category limits a more general search. So, it is ok to add the new category without eliminating the old one. That is my opinion.

El Pausilipo

My apologies Themightyquill, i did not understand wikimedia category system.

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Renaming

You'd marked some files to rename. But I think the new names are not correct. Why "ErkelSandor-tomb-Kerepesi.jpg", not "Erkel-Sandor-tomb-Kerepesi.jpg" or "Erkel Sandor tomb Kerepesi.jpg"? The new names should be possible to find them in the search machine, isn't it? Wieralee (talk) 14:17, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I made administrative descissions about these renaming requests. Themightyquill, you have undo them. You don't have the right to to this. You can talk to me, to an other Sysop or you can request my descission. So there are many ways. You made the only step that is impossible. So you will undo this. Your request was not valid. You gave no valid reason and the new names are terrible. If you don't do it by yourself, I will do it and I have to treat you as a vandal. Marcus Cyron (talk) 09:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

@Marcus Cyron: - I've made 38k file edits on commons, successfully requested many file moves, and I've never been treated with such condescension and threatened by an administrator. Could you tell me where to complain about your behaviour, your interpretation of COM:FR and your comments above? Thank you. - Themightyquill (talk) 12:31, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm not interested in how much you've done - only in what you have done here. And you don't have to undo administrative descisions. Administrators are elected for those descisions! Can you imagine, what happens here, if everybody acts in this way? This is called anarchy! There are a lot of ways you could react. But you chose the only imposible - and this for not only one image. Maybe you should think about, that you maybe made mistakes? And you did not show any respect! Marcus Cyron (talk) 18:39, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to chime in, but I would have to agree that Themightyquill does not appear to have done anything to merit the above comment by Marcus Cyron. I've only looked at the one cited above, File:Erkel Sandor-tomb-Kerepesi.jpg, but TMQ did have the right to make the request, provided a rationale, and the proposed move seems logical. Maybe there is a language issue here, caused largely by my inability to speak German, but if there are other cases where the move did not seem appropriate, then I would have thought one would civilly have a discussion on the merits. I'm perplexed as to why TMQ would be treated as a vandal. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

@Marcus Cyron: - hello? --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:27, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

The request were not executable, as far I have ssen it. I can be wrong. But then we have to talk about it. Themightyquill simply undo my descision. And this is impossible. In this manor we can't work together in such a project. Marcus Cyron (talk) 18:39, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I accept your right to refuse my original request (although I think you are incorrect in your reading of COM:FR), but that doesn't address your behaviour afterwards. I have every right to make another request for a move while providing further rationale (that's what I thought you were asking for, since I hadn't originally filled out the optional field). As an editor, I am not required to accept the decision of one administrator as totally final. As an administrator, you are still obliged to assume good faith and treat others with at least basic respect instead of condescension. You do not have the right to order editors to do something. You do not have the right to threaten to treat an editor as a vandal for edits that were quite obviously done in good faith. You don't have the right to scold other users with renaming rights for responding to a move requests without checking the whole edit history of the image. It's that kind of behaviour prevents us from working together on a project. - Themightyquill (talk) 07:08, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

@Marcus Cyron: , thank you for responding. I have a few comments:

1. You were entitled to decide that insufficient rationale had been provided for the proposed moves. Themightyquill was entitled to respond by providing additional rationale. That's how this project is supposed to work - collaboratively. @Wieralee: was subsequently entitled to review and implement the proposed moves.
2. Themightyquill did not "undo" your decision. You identified what you believed to be an inadequacy with the proposal, and he responded to your comment with additional details. He was entitled to do so.
3. Your messages to Themightyquill and Wieralee on their respective talk pages were inappropriate. In particular, threatening to treat Themightyquill as a vandal, when he had done nothing wrong, was offside.
4. It is unclear why you seem to think that you and Themightyquill cannot work together.

I don't want to make a mountain of a molehill, but I can fully understand why Themightyquill found it troubling. I will be proposing a minor change to Commons:File renaming to provide additional clarification for situations such as this. Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:31, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Gottermayer-tomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Gundel-familytomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Salga-familytomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Schöffer-tomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Hoffmann-familytomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Kamermayer Karoly-tomb-Kerepesi .jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Schenk-familytomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Lotz Karoly-tomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Blaha Lujza-tomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Kilian-familytomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Eisele-familytomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:WatterichOdon-familytomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Egyedi Arthur-familytomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Martinovics Elek-familytomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Treichlinger Jozsef-tomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:Vasarhelyi Pal-tomb-Kerepesi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen Deine Bearbeitung an der Seite File:FesteticsGéza-tomb-Kerepsi.jpg wurde von Themightyquill rückgängig gemacht. (Änderungen zeigen) vor 5 Tagen -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 14:41, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

So? You said there was missing rationale. He provided additional rationale. His actions were appropriate. Your subsequent response to him was not. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Schoch Frigyes

Regarding...

• File:Schoch Frigyes Anonymus szobra 1903 1.jpg
• File:Schoch Frigyes Anonymus szobra 1903 2.jpg

I had put the year of death as 1924 on these because that it what was stated in the Creator template (I couldn't find a source for it). If the correct year is 1944 could you please fix Creator:Frigyes Schoch? Thanks. Revent (talk) 12:17, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Category:Russian_Federal_Security_Service_designated_terrorist_organizations

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Sanandros (talk) 12:07, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

{bad name} vs. {rename}

Hello, Mighty Quill,

Your discussion page seems quite busy, so I assume a lot of people read this advice of yours:

"Did you want to rename or move a file? Simply upload the file again and mark the old one like this: {{bad name|Correct name}}"

In my humble opinion this is not quite state of the art. Rather than re-uploading the {{rename}} template should be used. What do you think?

By the way, two months ago you changed the {{FoP-Hungary}} template on my picture File:Vajdahunyad, Anonymus 1.jpeg to {{PD-old-auto-1923}}. I am not exactly a young person but I certainly took or published no pictures before 1923, so I assume you mean the sculptor of the monument. But this picture is not a 2-D copy of a 2-D work of art but rather a two-dimensional picture of a three-dimensional work of art, which is influenced by several factors, such as angle, perspective, light. So I think the picture is essentially under the license I granted to Wikimedia Commons.

I do not really care, as I do not make a living from photography, but I'd be interested in your opinion. If you care to answer please do it here with {{Reply to|Aisano}}.

Thank you and best regards, -- Aisano (talk) 21:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey @Aisano: ,

Thanks for your message and very good questions. Firstly, you're right - if someone doesn't like the name of a file, they should generally rename it instead of deleting it. The message at the top of my talk page, however, is not my own. It's a template that gets posted to pretty much everyone's talk page when they join commons. It has been improved since it was posted on my talk page back in 2006, but never updated. I'll fix it now, just in case.

The answer to your second question is slightly more complicated. I'm no copyright expert, but I'll do my best. There are three potential copyrights at work with that photo, your copyright to the photo, and both the American and Hungarian copyrights of the artist (Miklós Ligeti) to the sculpture. As I understand it, we need them all to be copyright-free to be uploaded here at Wikipedia. You uploaded your photo under a creative commons license (CC-BY-SA) so that takes care of your rights. As for Ligeti's rights, this particular sculpture was produced in 1903, and anything published before 1923 is Public Domain in the United States. But there were still his Hungarian copyright to worry about. Because Ligeti only died in 1944, 70 years had not elapsed since his death when you posted the photo (March 2013), so his artwork was still under copyright in Hungary. Luckily, you indicated (with the FoP template) that, because the statue was mounted in public, that Freedom of Panorama applied, even if the statue was still under copyright. So you did everything right. Since you posted it, however, another two years have gone by, and it has now been over 70 years since Ligeti died, and the sculpture is now public domain in Hungary, and so there is no longer any need to claim FoP. I hope that makes some kind of sense. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt and complete response. I was just a bit worried by the formula "[t]he author died in 1944, so this work is in the public domain…" as in the {{Information}} template I denoted myself as the author. I now think, however, that the {{Artwork}} template is the way to fix that, because there Ligeti is the "author", and I am the "source". Hadn't thought of that before. -- Aisano (talk) 18:05, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

AWB

Aloha! I just added you to the mighty AWB-users. Best, --Hedwig in Washington ^(mail?) 01:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:Baden Revolution

Can you review it, please?
Have a nice day :-) Wieralee (talk) 23:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Ooops! Thanks. Problem solved. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:17, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Paintings by something...

Hi Themightyquill. First: I see you have changed or created a lot of categories of Paintings by country to Paintings by country of location. I don't know if this is necessary or useful. Can you tell me please your reason? Second: if you create a category by something (by period, by city, by country, by date, by century, etc.) you create a Metacategory, that means that this category must contain only other categories and not files. So it's necessary that you add the template of the specific metacat, so that this category ends up in the maintenance flat list too. It's very important. It's not difficult. You write on the top of the category {{metacat|something}} (e.g. {{metacat|country}} or {{metacat|location}} or {{metacat|century}}, etc.) If you have a double parameter (e.g. by century by country) you put both in the template (in this case {{metacat|century|country}}). Can you please add the template at all metacategories that you have create? You can find the list of all the flat lists here. I repeat: it's very important for the maintenance of all these kind of categories, that they are in the specific flat list too. Thank you very much. Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 15:32, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi @DenghiùComm: . Firstly, I'm going to assume good faith that your message style suffers somewhat from language differences or cultural style, but in the future, please know that repeating yourself as you did comes off as extremely condescending. Not a great way to communicate effectively. Second, as far as I know, I didn't create any new category trees, I just extended the pre-existing structure of Category:Art by country of location and Category:Paintings by production area into categories that weren't properly sorted. So... you're welcome? Third, thanks for the reminder about metacat. If you look back through my contributions, you'll see that I spent a bunch of time adding that template to categories that had been incorrectly added to Category:Categories by country manually. No need to explain its use or stress its vital importance - I simply forgot. I'll add them asap. Best, Themightyquill (talk) 09:04, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Themightyquill. I don't think to fully understand what you mean in the first part of your answer. I speak a basic level of English, so it is not easy for me to explain something, and I must often use the translator. If I offended you in some way, I apologize, it was not my intention. Back to our categories, I found a mess in these categories of paintings of Belarus between from categories and in categories. IN and FROM are not the same. "In" means that a artwork is in this country; "from" means that the artwork was made in this country, but now it is outside, in another country. What I found is that all kinds of "in"-subcategories was placed at the same time in "in"-uppercategories and in "from"-uppercategories. This has no sense. And this not only for the paintings categories by century, but also the categories of paintings in the Museums in Belarus was put in both categories: "in" (ok) and "from" (absurd!). If a painting is IN a Museum IN Belarus, why to put it in the category FROM Belarus? It has no sense. I began to correct these mistakes, but I quickly stopped, because I have seen that it was not sure that the paintings categorized "from Belarus" was really outside or perhaps "in Belarus" too. You made a big work to change the categories in "country of location", but have you looked before inside these FROM categories? I have the impression that the most part of them simply have a wrong name, i.e. that in theyr names it was used wrongly the form "from" but really they are all "in". This is the problem. Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 11:01, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

These painting categories are indeed a mess, partly because English is confusing. Many of the categories on wikipedia use "of" which is not clear. For instance, Category:Art of Belarus could include art from anywhere but currently in Belarus, and art originating in Belarus but currently elsewhere. So, as you noticed, there has been some effort to split "of" categories into "from" categories and "in" categories. I suppose because it's a lot of work, it hasn't been fully completed, and as a result, both images and sub-categories have often been placed in the wrong parent category. Even building a complete category tree for each country, city, year, style, etc, would mean creating thousands of categories, and each of those categories can have huge numbers of individual images. I could individually check each image to see where it belongs, but that would take me a lifetime of work. I'm hoping if I work to create all the proper categories, others will eventually help re-sort the images appropriately. - Themightyquill (talk) 11:26, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok. If you want to understand better this system, you can look at Category:Art of Italy, it's a model for all people. If you need to change the name of some categories, you can tell me, and I do it (if it is correct). I am a file mover. Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 11:47, 28 October 2015 (UTC) P.S.: we had this mess in the categories of Italy too, but thanks to some users, step by step they made order, and now we have a system that is apply in categories of many countries. If you look at all work that is to do, it is daunting; if you look at the single categories, you can do it, one day one category, another day another category. Finally you will see that all the work is done. Let you help by some user of Belarus that love art and architecture. Last but not least, when you have finished the work, you see suddently how many artworks from Belarus was stolen, or looted, or lost during the centuries. A complaint to the whole world!

Tirana Museum

I think the images of interior are not eligible for NO-FOP violation, they are just plain rooms with museum exhibition inside. Please open a discussion before deleting, thank you --Sailko (talk) 11:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Heritage hotels

I noticed you've added some buildings in Belgium to the category "Heritage hotels". Please note that "hôtel" in the name of a building does not mean it is/was a hotel: it may refer to hôtel particulier / hôtel de maître, which are big residential town houses of the aristocracy or bourgeoisie, or "hôtel de ville", which translates in English as town halls. Henxter (talk) 12:15, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

@Henxter: Oops! You're right, of course, but it didn't occur to me while I did my search and added categories. Sorry! - Themightyquill (talk) 19:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

facade of Muzeu Historik Kombetar

Hi, sorry to bother you, you recently had a picture of said museum in Tirana deleted. It seems that Albanian copyright laws do not forbid the use of such pictures if not for commercial use. Isn't this sufficient for wiki commons? Thanks. --2604:2000:C54F:E500:EC93:6271:C1A7:227F 07:33, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

For better or worse, no, that isn't sufficient for wiki commons. Commons:Licensing policy says that everything has to be freely available for commercial use too. I hope you see this message - please consider signing up for an account, as it makes communication much easier. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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