User talk:Soroush83/Archive 1

I was working with another user name before. It was S o r o u s h M e s r y . Remove the spaces except one between h & M to have my previous user name.

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Unfortunately once you have created a new username no bureaucrat can change it for you.--Jusjih 11:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I cannot find your previous user page or its talk page.--Jusjih 11:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Per your request and m:Right to vanish, I have deleted your former user page and its talk page, but you have to spell S o r o u s h M e s r y correctly in your userpage.--Jusjih 16:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:2001-2005_imm_rate_US.PNG

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Thanks for uploading Image:2001-2005_imm_rate_US.PNG. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag, then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{self|cc-by-sa-2.5}} to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license or {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find all your uploads using the Gallery tool. Thank you. -- Bryan (talk to me) 13:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi I tweaked the licensing a little bit further, using {{PD-user-en}} and removed the copyright warning. -- Bryan (talk to me) 13:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Hafez e Farshchian.jpg

Pay attention to copyright

Image:Hafez e Farshchian.jpg has been marked as a copyright violation. The Wikimedia Commons only accepts free content, that is, images and other media files that can be used by anyone, for any purpose. For details on what is acceptable, please read Commons:Licensing. You can ask questions about Commons policies in Commons:Help desk. The file you added will soon be deleted. If you believe this image is not a copyright violation, please explain why on the image description page.

already deleted per the discussion on the English Wikipedia Adminstrator's noticeboard w:Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:ParthianShot ++Lar: t/c 11:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

But I can't be responsible for disloyalty of the people who upload sth in other wikipedias. It was not my fault. --Soroush83 14:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

answerd on my talk but what do you mean by disloyalty? and what is "sth" ? Stuff? (let's keep this conversation either here, or there, as you like) ++Lar: t/c 15:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

However I thank you for this notice but I left this to say it wasn't my fault. When I had copied them from there they had correct copyright tags and it was the fault of cais-soas.com site or the user who had uploaded it to English wikipedia.--Soroush83 15:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

OK... going forward it may be good to do a bit of cross checking. Best wishes. ++Lar: t/c 16:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Best wishes for you too. I left a message on your talk page now.--Soroush83 16:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Sadeq-Hedayat.jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:Sadeq-Hedayat.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag, then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{self|cc-by-sa-2.5}} to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license or {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find all your uploads using the Gallery tool. Thank you. Siebrand 22:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I assumed good faith of the uploader of that image to en.wiki and I didn't take care of lack of that information. But I've seen this picture on en:Sadeq Hedayat's books and according to his career(He died 56 years ago- however can't be sure of photographer) and PD in Iran(30 years), It looks to be in PD and I do not think this deravative work(Taking a picture of that picture doesn't look to have any problem. However being sure seems essential.)--Soroush83 23:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe the problem was that the picture had been given a different licence here than it had on english wikipedia. I took the liberty of changing the information in accordance with the file uploaded to en:, which means that it is now licensed as {{PD-Iran}}. From what you write above here I take it that this is indeed the correct licence for this image. I also added Category:Writers from Iran so that others may find and make use of this image. To ensure that relevant information is transferred, please use CommonsHelper when uploading files from english wikipedia to commons. Have a nice day, Finn Rindahl 00:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for license and the category I'd missed but the reason I didn't change the license was Commons:Derivative works. If the original image is in PD, it can be a derivative work and it has been published within GFPL. Anyway, I do not think the name of photographer of that picture will be found while non-commercial rights of it will be for him to eternity but the commercial rights of it absolutely looks to be for Sadeq Hedayat(died 56 years ago-PD 30years in Iran) or the publisher(cannot have rights more than 30years in Iran.) --Soroush83 07:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

For a claim of an image having been publish to stand, we need a (relaiable) source and date where the image was published at least 30 years ago. Siebrand 09:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I've seen some books of him and their publication time was so old becuase their publication are prohibited in Iran. They had that image in some of the first pages. I can remember I read en:The Blind Owl and My version was published 44 years ago in Iran. It had that picture. You can ask other people who know Persian and familiar with Persian literature about this claim. en:Sadeq Hedayat is so famous and his books have translated to several languages. I think the reliable source for that can be his old published books. --Soroush83 13:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:2001-2005_imm_rate_US.PNG

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Thanks for uploading Image:2001-2005_imm_rate_US.PNG. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag, then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{self|cc-by-sa-2.5}} to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license or {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find all your uploads using the Gallery tool. Thank you. Siebrand 07:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Loghat.jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:Loghat.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag, then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{self|cc-by-sa-2.5}} to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license or {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find all your uploads using the Gallery tool. Thank you. Siebrand 07:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Has no encyclopediac value. Delete it please. I'd uplaoded it to test a robot.--Soroush83 11:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Samira_Makhmalbaf.jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:Samira_Makhmalbaf.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag, then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{self|cc-by-sa-2.5}} to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license or {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find all your uploads using the Gallery tool. Thank you. Siebrand 07:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Forough_Farrokhzad.JPG

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Thanks for uploading Image:Forough_Farrokhzad.JPG. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag, then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{self|cc-by-sa-2.5}} to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license or {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find all your uploads using the Gallery tool. Thank you. Siebrand 07:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Cookieplateful.jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:Cookieplateful.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag, then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{self|cc-by-sa-2.5}} to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license or {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find all your uploads using the Gallery tool. Thank you. Siebrand 07:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Some advice

Dear Soroush83, as you may have noticed I have had an unpleasant encounter with Siebrand whom I consider a most impertinent individual I have ever come across, not only here on these pages, but anywhere (actually this is not quite accurate, as only last week another Wikipedia operator wrote me the following: "But guess what: no one cares what the word sounds like in Persian, since the information presented is in English and only in English. And in English, incidentally, we, English-speakers, do have the word [...] and we do use it on a variety of occasions." Note the "we"s, and as though I had been communicating with this contemptible man in any other language but English! Racists the world over need only a little bit of excitement, and they invariably show their true colour --- go to a football match on a Saturday afternoon and witness it for yourself). He proved to me that he is not capable of reading a text more than three lines long, or he starts spouting his venomous racist remarks. Having been on these pages for two days, I sincerely believe that he is simply bullying people, and you seem to me to be one of his victims. He apparently enjoys his role as someone who orders people left and right (have you ever read about the `black shirts' and the `brown shirts'? I believe that Wikipedia has got its own whatever-colour-shirt bullying squad). Look at his language! Where has he got the right to refer to himself as "we"? Wikipedia belongs to all, and this forbids people from referring to themselves as "we" (incidentally, as far as I am aware, only monarchs refer to themselves as "we"; Mrs Thatcher once famously said "We have become a grandmother" and commentators refer to it as a "blatant affectation"). Anyone who does otherwise, is drawing a line between him/herself and the rest; in the case of Siebrand, he has convinced me, by the brutal language with which he responded to my message (mind you, he has even failed to apologise, not to mention that as a result of me telling him who I think he is, yesterday he marked about ten photographs uploaded by me over the past year --- two of which dating from around 1900 and one of which containing all the required details, including its source --- for removal within 48 hours; apparently he must have been in haste while trying to create for me the maximum amount of trouble, and sending me the implicit message: "never underestimate the vindictiveness of racist bigots"), that he must be considering me, and my ilk, as actually not belonging to here (our usernames give us away as being pesky little brown people who are intruding on the white-man's territory). Why are you constantly dancing to his tune? Where is your spirit to raise against such tyranny? Why do you and your friends, who appear to be his main targets, just so uncritically follow his orders? Why can't you be firm in your statements? In all sincerity, I feel ashamed.

Now, as for Hedayat's photograph, that photograph uploaded by me is taken in Tehran and dates from around 1920, five years before Hedayat left Iran for the first time for France (as it may have already occurred to you, that broken image is very symbolic of Hedayat's broken life, so that this particular photograph is one of my most cherished photographs of Hedayat). If this is not enough to establish the source of that photograph, then what is? I strongly believe that Siebrand is abusing his position for his personal gratification and should therefore be evicted from his present place. I leave the rest to you, as I do not work on Commons.Wikimedia. Good Night and Good Luck!, as Edward R. Murrow would say. Yours sincerely, --BF 14:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear BehnamFarid

You are giving me some advices to be firm to racists and you account User:Siebrand's speech offensive and call him racist!!! I don't know where you live, how you think, which kind of people you've already encounter that you think like that, but regardless of wikipedia policy(en:Wikipedia:No Personal Attack) I do not think Siebrand is a racist and I believe He has done them to keep wikipedia clean, and to remove non-free contents from wikimedia and I appreciate his endeavours in this way, however everyone may be angry sometime and say sth a little angrily. I believe, we should consider good faith. I highly have this consideration.

Secondly you told me I had reported the copyright problem of Hedayat's picture but I hadn't. I just transffered it to wiki commons to make use of it on other wikimedia projects, but if I had seen it and it had copyright problem(I would report it to some Admin to be deleted.) Take care where you are working and for which reasons you are working. There are a lot of people like me and many others on wikimedia projects(hoping, you do too)... And this is the "we" he says. For a free ecyclopedia, free contents are needed and it is required to be proved that sth is free and I'm here to counterpart in this way. Now, I really wish ,you maitain enough information needed to be maintained for pictures to be in wikimedia website. It is for this project, not for a special person. He checked the pictures I'd uploaded but I didn't get angry and even I got happy. he helped me to maintain more accurate contents for this project.

And also I think It is our problem that we do not have any active Persian Admin here to help with these matters with this critical copyright situation in Iran.

Have good time. Yours sincerely.--Soroush83 17:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

This site says it is taken in Paris!!! how do you say it is taken in Tehran?--Soroush83 18:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Soroush83, thank you for your three kind messages (one of which on my Wikipedia page). To begin with, I left my message on your talk page because I have no hesitation about its contents and therefore as far as I am concerned, the entire world may know about them --- I utterly dislike secrecy and lack of transparency. Moderators on Wikipedia must be polite. What kind of response was that that Siebrand left for me? Civilised societies have rules of politeness, and I expect from someone born in the country of Erasmus to be polite (Siebrand is apparently a Dutch, shaming his country of birth by writing in the way he did). When I spend my precious time (and please do not misunderstand me, I believe everyone's time is precious) to leave a message on someone's page, I do not expect to receive a loutish response, as if I were in a worm-infested gutter. If Siebrand did not mean what he wrote, why did he target all my uploads the next day? Why didn't he feel that he had to apologise? No my dear friend, Siebrand knows what he is doing, and I daresay he must even be proud of his abominable deeds. Who is he and what right does he have to write, in the way he did, to someone whom he has never written to (that was his first response to me!), never seen, never spoken to? In my experience, rude and loutish behaviour testify to one's negative inner fellings towards others. If he is so rude towards me, without ever having had any previous encounter with me, regretfully, I have no reason to revise my negative view of him.

As for the photograph of Hedayat and the web-site of which you kindly gave me the link. I have just checked the link. Well, don't you think it a bit weired that the official web-site of Sadeq Hedayat should be using a broken image? I suspect that they might even have copied that image from Wikipedia. Incidentally, my computer tells me that that site is registered in Iran (its address is "Iran, no 2 east - 6th st. saadat abad tehran 99999" --- doesn't look to me a particularly Iranian address, I mean this "99999"; the site is hosted by parspalette.com, and my computer is unable to find its registration! On the main site of parspalette.com there is no trace to be found of the organization: Who owns the site, what are the names of the people responsible for the site, etc. --- on the Sadeq Hedayat page they mention that `All rights of this site belong to the Hedayat Office' [Daftare Hedayat]; if so, where is the registration number of this Office and the name of the organisation conferring this right to them? Who runs this Office? On the page `contact us', one finds no human name --- with the exception of the name associated with the e-mail address --- and the address is a post-box address, which says nothing, as any person can get a post-box number; what is relevant, is the name of the person or organisation to which that address officially corresponds. In any case, I wish this Official Site the very best and commend their valuable services to the literature, however have zero confidence in that they might have any rights above the rights that I and you as rivate citizens already have).

Any way, this whole issue just demonstrates what I mentioned earlier in my text on the talk-page of Siebrand: common sense is the best tool that we have at our disposal. To repeat, suppose that I say "I have the photograph from X". What next? Are you going to ask where X has the photograph from? And if so, at which stage are you going to stop? Now, your citation of the above-mentioned link may satisfy Siebrand, but where is his satisfaction based on? In short, I have no patience with this whole bureaucratic attitude towards things. We must think a bit and will immediately realise that there is absolutely no problem out there worth taking so much of our times: Hedayat died more than 30 years ago, and that is the end of the story as far as his photgraphs are concerned; no endless nonsense about the source of the photograph or who took it or where it was taken; no doubt, in an appropriate context these questions might be relevant or interesting, but not in the context of considering whether Hedayat's photographs can be displayed on Wikipedia or not.

As for the photograph at issue being taken in Paris in 1307 (that is 1928 AD), I doubt it. What one sees here is not the face of a 25-year-old man; it is more the face of a 17-18-year-old man. This is in particular so when one compares this photograph with other photographs of Hedayat taken in Paris. In short, I am sceptical about whatever thing that that site claims. They give an e-mail address, so perhaps you may wish to write to them and see whether they are at least for real. If so, then you could ask them about the specifics of that photograph.

You must have misunderstood me. I never told (neither to you nor to anyone else for that matter) that you had anything to do with the marking for removal of the photographs uploaded by me. Far from it. May I therefore request you that you re-read my text so that all misunderstandings are removed?

Lastly, I entirely agree with you that an impartial Iranian moderator is sorely missing on Wikipedia --- what I mean by "Iranian" is not about this person's nationality, but about her/his knowledge of the Iranian culture and of the sensitivities of Iranians. Also that Iranian culture is less materialistic as regards such issues as photographs; copy-right on photographs of public figures looks to me like an oxymoron, and I deeply believe that most, if not all, Iranians must share my view. In a way, this 30-year limit that the Iranian law prescribes (as opposed to the 100-year period or the 70-year period after the death of the person that the photograph portrays) somehow reflects this difference in attitude and culture.

With kind regards, --BF 21:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Sorousg83, I just had a close look into the contents of the above-mentioned "Official Site" and it seems that it is a very respectable one. They also have a relatively large collection of photographs. I had never seen this site before and consequently never earlier had looked through their collection of photographs. It may be worth writing to them and asking whether some of their photographs could be transferred to Wikipedia (although I doubt that they may respond; right now people in Iran must be afraid of responding to unsolicited e-mails from abroad for the fear of being accused of ....). If they do not wish that the contents of their pages be copied, they should also be given the advice that they should add some legal texts in English to their pages (also that they may take some technical measures for preventing those parts of their pages that they do not wish copied, such as the photographs, are also prevented from being copied). They should also clearly state the basis on which their claim of being the "Official Site" rests (the word "official" is not a legally-protected term; the word is only meaningful if they are granted the exclusive use of the word by a department of the state, such as the culture ministry, in which case they must clearly present the appropriate reference numbers). As it stands, the entire web-site is legally based on a very shaky ground (for instance, they ask for voluntary financial contributions, however no one in his of her right mind contributes to an organisation which has no official registration number --- either they are extremely naive, or they are simply some people of good will who are bypassing the prevailing laws which ban print publication of Hedayat's works in Iran --- this may clarify why one cannot find the name of a human being (except that of Sadeq Hedayat) on their site; also why the internet company which hosts the site looks so shabby and opaque). Kind regards, --BF 00:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)