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I do not login to Commons very often, so if you want to contact me urgently please leave a message at: Wikipedia:User talk:PBS -- PBS (talk) 10:33, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Renaming Military cupolas

Hello. I strongly doubt we will ever have on Commons anything except commander's cupola (these include both armed and unarmed ones), so what do you think about redirecting your category to Category:Commander's cupolas (or Category:Commander’s cupolas)? Thank you. Ain92 (talk) 21:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Lenin-Trotsky 1920-05-20 Sverdlov Square (censored).jpg

And also:

• File:Lenin-Trotsky 1920-05-20 Sverdlov Square (original).jpg

Yours sincerely, Sealle (talk) 22:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Are narrowboats ships?

Most of the subcategories in Category:Narrowboats by name contain the word "ship". Furthermore, Category:Narrowboats is a subcategory of Category:Barges of the United Kingdom (itself a subcategory of Category:Ships of the United Kingdom. In other words, there are a variety of things that are inconsistent here. What makes a narrowboat not a ship, exactly? Thanks. - Themightyquill (talk) 13:30, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

The same thing at makes a submarine a boat. The Wikipedia article "Ship" tries to explain what a ship is in the first paragraph and expands on it in the first section. Notice also that in the Wikipedia article "Barge" a distinction in made in Britain between barge and a narrowboat. If you don't believe me try to find a reliable source that describes a narrowboat as a ship.[1] -- PBS (talk) 14:04, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Please realise that Commons is not the WPEN. The Category:Ships by name, now Category:Ships by name (flat list), was intended to collect all floating objects with a name in one category, to make it easy to find images of these objects for not experienced users. For me, a Dutch historical barge owner, is a narrowboat a ship. --Stunteltje (talk) 21:54, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@User:Stunteltje: Do you not have a distinction between ship and boat in Dutch? Does this mean that a canoe or a rowing boat ought to be included in the category ship? At the moment Category:Canoes is not, but a canoe like a ship is a boat. I put it to you that there are lots of boats listed in Category:Boats by type that would not usually be called a ship. BTW in English a river/canal barge is not a ship it is a boat.

If you want to bundle ships and boats together in one group then use "Category:Bots by name (flat list)", because using ship wrong and it is mesleading in English. -- PBS (talk) 09:22, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Of course we differ in ships and boats: you can put a boat on een ship, not a ship on a boat. But in Commons we use only one category for all these objects, as long as it has a name or registration. Not for a canoe, too small and not registered. Commons is intended to supply images for articles, to be found as easy as possible. For sea-going ship by IMO number, but that is for specialists. As the ENI number for inland waterway vessels in Europe. (Even for ships from counties out of Europe, as Israel and the United States). Most users a not specialist and look by name for a vessel.

I started Category:Ships by name some 10 years ago and categorised thousands of ships and it is not always easy. E.G. I use for myself a certain standard, following the British [2] : up to 10 meter fishing vessels are boats, longer (or with a fishhold) ships. But all are in Category:Ships by name (flat list). The category name starts with the registration, for that is painted on the vessel in large capitals and can be found on most images. The name of the vessel, in most cases you have to find it via that registration. So for me is not the English custom important, but the ease of finding images for articles.--Stunteltje (talk) 10:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

By the way: I assume Commons is mostly used by not native spaekers of the English language (as I am). Not even British. So I think it is important is to use a certain international version, that can be understood by everybody who has just enough knowlage to use Commons. --Stunteltje (talk) 10:21, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

en:Ship says specifically "Ships are generally larger than boats, but there is no universally accepted distinction between the two." That's a great way to categorize things in day to day life and speech, but a terrible categorization system for something like commons. How many centimeters is "generally larger" ? - Themightyquill (talk) 09:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

IP block

@‪user:Martin Urbanec the IP underlying my login is 92.40.202.0/23 it was disabled by you in such a way that I can not edit under my own user name is is possible for you to fix it? PBS (talk) 13:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Don't bother. It seems that if I log in here it prevents me editing but by logging into Wikipedia first then I can upload a file. Shrug!. -- PBS (talk) 13:29, 25 October 2022 (UTC)