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Re:Am I improving? - ¿Estoy mejorando?

Hello/Hola John!

He estado pendiente de tu trabajo, y he visto que estas mejorando; cada vez tus escudos son mas pulidos. He notado que usted sube varias versiones del mismo archivo, antes de subir la versión definitiva, recomiendo que primero suba el archivo acá para analizar si le falta algún detalle por mejorar. La X de este escudo esta mal hecha, analiza la forma de la X y veras el error. Por favor, cambia el tono del azul de este escudo por el tono correcto, la versión oficial no usa el azul claro. No es buena idea combinar azul claro con metal, pues el azul claro se convierte indirectamente en metal, pues al ser un tono claro y el blanco y el amarillo también son colores claros se anulan entre si.

Online translation: I have been watching your work, and I have seen that you are improving; every time your shields are more polished. I've noticed that you upload multiple versions of the same file, before uploading the final version, I recommend that it first upload the file here to analyze if you are missing some detail to improve. The X of this shield is poorly made, analyzes the shape of the X and you will see the error. Please change the tone of this shield blue by the correct pitch, the official version does not use light blue. It is not a good idea to combine light blue with metal, as the light blue becomes indirectly in metal, to be a tone of course and the white and yellow are also colored either canceled between if.

--SajoR (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

El escudo del cardenal José Tomás Sánchez esta terminado, esta basado totalmente en la versión de Araldicavaticana.com, no pude encontrar otra versión, yo quiero salir de dudas, pues la figura central parece una palmera, pero al mismo tiempo no parece una palmera. El sitio web Araldicavaticana.com es administrado por el italiano Giovanni Sicari quien investiga todo sobre los cardenales. Las reproducciones de los escudos están hechas por el holandés Hans van Heijningen (este es su estilo) y el italiano Enzo Parrino (este es su estilo). Cuando hago el escudo de un cardenal busco la versión oficial, no me conformo con la de araldicavaticana.com, pues ellos también cometen errores. Los dibujos de Hans van Heijningen son ambiguos en los detalles de algunas figuras, uno cree ver tal cosa, y resulta que era otra cosa.

Online translation: The coat of Cardinal José Tomás Sánchez is finished, is fully based on the version of Araldicavaticana.com, could not find another version, I want to find out for sure, as the central figure looks like a palm tree, but at the same time not look like a palm tree. The Araldicavaticana.com web site is managed by the Italian Giovanni Sicari who researches all over the Cardinals. The reproductions of the shields are made by Dutchman Hans van Heijningen (this is his style) and Italian Enzo Parrino (this is his style). When I do the shield of a cardinal sought the official version, I am not satisfied with the araldicavaticana.com, because they also make mistakes. The drawings of Hans van Heijningen are ambiguous in the details of some figures, one seems to see such a thing, and it turns out it was something else.

--SajoR (talk) 22:21, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Acá te dejo algunas recomendaciones:

1 - No se conforme con las versiones de araldicavaticana.com, busque mas imágenes del emblema; especialmente la versión oficial. Haga la búsqueda en varios idiomas, yo siempre busco en ingles (coa, coat of arms, seal), español (escudo, escudo de armas), italiano (stemma), alemán (wappen), francés (blason, armoiries), polaco (herb), portugués (brasäo) y en el idioma materno del clérigo.

2 - No se conforme con lo que ofrece Commons. Si usted necesita una figura, y ninguna te satisface, pues modifícala o dibújala. Yo soy algo perfeccionista, si no encuentro nada que me guste, yo mismo lo dibujo. Por ejemplo, el Buen Pastor que inicialmente ofrecía Commons, no me gusta, pues es muy feo y mal hecho, por lo cual dibujé mi propio Buen Pastor.

3 - Si ya existe otra versión del escudo hecho con la antigua plantilla, no dudes en remplazarlo en todos los artículos de Wikipedia. Lo mas seguro, es que el autor de la antigua versión pondrá problema; y revertirá tus ediciones, si la antigua versión es fea y tiene errores, no dude en insistir en poner tu versión, habla con el autor, señala los errores, pero si él no acepta los argumentos, lo mejor para evitar una guerra de ediciones es que la comunidad decida cual es la mejor. Yo he tenido discusiones con los autores de las antiguas versiones, e indicar los errores es un excelente argumento, la apariencia estética también es importante pero no es suficiente para convencer, pero lo principal es tema de los errores, pues una enciclopedia no debe tener errores.

Online translation: Here you have some recommendations:

1 - Do not settle with versions of araldicavaticana.com, look for more images of the emblem; especially the official version. Start the search in various languages​, I always look for in English (coa, coat of arms, seal), Spanish (escudo, escudo de armas), Italian (stemma), German (wappen), French (blason, armoiries), Polish (herb), Portuguese (brasäo) and the native language of the cleric.

2 - Do not be satisfied with what it offers the Commons. If you need a figure, and none satisfies you, modify it or draw it. I am somewhat perfectionist, if I can't find anything I like, I draw it. For example, the Good Shepherd initially offered by the Commons, I don't like, it is very ugly and poorly done, so I drew my own Good Shepherd.

3 - If there is another version of the shield made with the old template, feel free to replace him in all the articles of wikipedia. The more secure, is that the author of the old version will be problem; and revert your editions, if the old version is ugly and has errors, do not hesitate to insist on your version, he speaks with the author, points out mistakes, but if he does not accept the arguments, best to avoid a war of editions is that the community decides which is the best. I have had discussions with the authors of the old versions, and indicate the errors is an excellent argument, cosmetic appearance is also important but isn't enough to convince, but main thing is subject of errors, because an encyclopedia should not have errors.

--SajoR (talk) 23:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello/Hola John!

Estos escudos tienen detalles para arreglar:

  • La X de este escudo esta mal hecha, analiza la forma de la X y veras el error.

Online translation:These shields have details to arrange:

  • The X of this shield is poorly made, analyzes the shape of the X and you will see the error.

--SajoR (talk) 07:26, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Versión corregida, arreglé la faja dentada, mejoré otros detalles como el texto y el crismon.
Online translation: I uploaded a new version with the corrections, I fixed toothed fess, I improved other details like text and Chi Rho. Test.svg --SajoR (talk) 05:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Coat of Arms

Hi J-Ronn,

I have seen your remake/re-depiction of the Coat of Arms of the Late Rufino Cardinal Santos and I am so impressed of what you did I only know few people who has an idea about heraldry, it would be nice if you could re-depict the Coats-of-arms of the Filipino Archbishops, I sent Mr. SajoR some of the coat of arms, which includes the late Julio Rosales' coat of arms, but I understand that either he is busy with the other coat of arms of the bishops and cardinals though i did sent Archbishop Ledesma and Tuquib's coat of arms, but he might be busy or he is currently creating one, but either way i am sending the links of their coat of arms and it includes Archbishop Okada's coat of arms, if Mr. SajoR is already on the process of making one, please do void, but if not please do.


here are the coat-of-arms of some of the Philippine bishops

I do hope you could make something about it and by the way You got the last depiction of Cardinal Santos' Coat of Arms right, the one that is copied from Eugenio Cardinal Sales.

Sincerely Yours, --CommanderPhoenix (talk) 10:28, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Re: Coat of Arms

Hi J-Ronn

I have a much clear copy of Archbishop Ledesma's arms, i don't know what is beside the gold cross but it looks like a lung or a chestnut, I understand about the case of Abp Okada's coat of arms motto, but if you want to make it soon, I will ask a Japanese to interpret it for you, also if you want i could look for the other bishop's coat of arms. http://lugaitparish.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/bishop.png?w=1022&h=743

Sincerely yours, --CommanderPhoenix (talk) 16:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of Enrico Enriquez.svg

Hello J-Ronn ! I've noticed that you don't use a processional cross, it is weird because the prelate was an arsbischop before his creation as cardinal ! Can you explain it ? And also why do you put just 4 tassels on each part on the shield instead of the 6 in the website araldicavaticana ? Olivier LPB (talk) 08:46, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Coat of arms of Thomas Joseph Paprocki

Hello/Hola John!

Veo que hizo una nueva versión del escudo de armas del obispo Thomas Joseph Paprocki, resulta que la descripción dice: ...upon a chief Gules ... . En la versión oficial, por algún motivo que desconozco, el jefe tiene una proporción muy exagerada, acá subí una versión que cumple con lo que indica la descripción oficial.

Online translation: I see that you made a new version of the coat of arms of Bishop Thomas Joseph Paprocki, turns out that the description says: ...upon a chief Gules .... In the official version, for some reason unknown, the chief has a proportion very exaggerated, here got a version that complies with indicating the official description.

--SajoR (talk) 19:05, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you once again! :) --J-Ronn (talk) 08:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


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Error in File:Coat of arms of Saint John Fisher.svg

Hi J-Ronn,

in the picture mentioned above is, as I think, an error.

It must be written "faciam vos" (I shall make you).

Best regards, --= (talk) 23:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank You for the coat of arms of cardinal Vidal i Barraquer! Ignasi (talk) 22:00, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

File:Azure a lion rampant Argent.svg

Thank you for this image, I realise it's not yours originally (you credit it to User:SajoR in File:Coat of arms of Leonardo Bonanno.svg), but has been brought to prominence by you. It's about time WP had a decent image of a lion rampant! I will be re-using it liberally.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 15:53, 18 November 2015 (UTC))

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Esprit Fugace (talk) 18:45, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

New coats of arms

Hello/Hola John!

Feliz y prospero año nuevo!!!. Que bien!!! Después de mas de un año, ha vuelto hacer escudos de armas eclesiásticos, creí que te habías cansado de los escudos, me alegra ver que ha vuelto a realizar hermosos emblemas.

Online translation: Happy and prosperous New Year!!!. How good!!! After more than a year, has returned to make ecclesiastical coats of arms, I thought you were tired of the shields. Glad to see he's back to make beautiful emblems.

--SajoR (talk) 20:45, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

PD: Look! an emblem to make, Coat of arms of the bishop David William Valencia Antonio, Auxiliary Bishop of Nueva Segovia. [1] --SajoR (talk) 21:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Re: Coat of Arms

Hello J-Ronn!

I have read your message and I have seen the Coat of Arms, all I can say is that you nailed it, especially that gold leaf near the cross. Let's work together to improve the List of current Filipino archbishops, if given that you have a vacant time to recreate some of their coat of arms, I can give you the link.

Best,

--CommanderPhoenix (talk) 15:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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