User talk:Galendalia

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File:USPS Logo.png

File:USPS Logo.png has been marked as a possible copyright violation. Wikimedia Commons only accepts free content—that is, images and other media files that can be used by anyone, for any purpose. Traditional copyright law does not grant these freedoms, and unless noted otherwise, everything you find on the web is copyrighted and not permitted here. For details on what is acceptable, please read Commons:Licensing. You may also find Commons:Copyright rules useful, or you can ask questions about Commons policies at the Commons:Help desk. If you are the copyright holder and the creator of the file, please read Commons:But it's my own work! for tips on how to provide evidence of that. The file you added has been deleted. If you have written permission from the copyright holder, please have them send us a free license release via COM:VRT. If you believe that the deletion was not in accordance with policy, you may request undeletion. (It is not necessary to request undeletion if using VRT; the file will be automatically restored at the conclusion of the process.) This file is a copyright violation for the following reason: USPS works are not in the public domain. See Compendium Of U.S. Copyright Office Practices § 313.6(C)(1) (3d ed. 2017). Warning: Wikimedia Commons takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

 

Mdaniels5757 (talk) 19:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

File:USPS Logo.png

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Mdaniels5757 (talk) 03:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

File:Official Ronald Stroman USPS Photo.png

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Ww2censor (talk) 17:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Other issues

In additions to the claims you've made for these images above which are based on a false premiss, you have completely messed up the archiving on the USPS talk page. You added several archive code instructions in addition to several unnecessary signatures. Look at the top of the article and you will see the already existing archive pages. This needs to be fixed but I tried to figure it out and failed. It's a complete mess. I think you need to learn to slow down because I see too many problems you have introduced probably from your lack of experience here. Ww2censor (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ww2censor: I fixed the archiving and removed the signatures. Thank you for pointing that out as I do not see any code for the archiving on the page itself. As far as the pictures, I read through all of the arguments and only one person has been helpful to me about where I can place it. I also looked up WP policy on Insignia and such and I believe they are allowed, however, they are mistagged so I am going to fix that here soon. The SVG file you mention is not the official "corporate signature," however, the white background is used on all white background media publications, such as manuals, some documents, etc., therefore that would be a copyright violation as well. If you do an image search on Google USPS Logo Google Image search you will see all sorts of their logos on all sorts of pages. Maybe instead of everyone marking these for SD someone can help me make this right? --Galendalia (talk) 19:48, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I have no problem with you asking me about how some of these things work. So first you say you fixed the USPS talk page but the fact is that you did not do that. You had added several archivebot codes to the page and then the archivebot archived many posts and now, having remove the codes those post are all gone with no link to where they were archived. I tried to fix that but was unable to figure that out and do not have the time right now to work on it but it still needs fixing properly. Where are they and how do you intend to fix it?

Regarding the logos, whatever a google search shows does not affect or verify the copyright status of any image. That depends entirely on copyright law and how we deal with it here. I have many years experience with that. Images in copyright, which most images you find on the internet are, are not allowed on the wikimedia commons unless clearly noted to be freely licensed. However, on the enwiki they may be allowed under the strict Non-free content criteria that you may not be familiar with and that is the use of the logo in the article itself. Unfortunately as the uploader the onus is actually on you to comply, not for the nominators to do your job for you which is why you get a notification. While that may sound harsh it's why you should familiarise yourself with the policy and guidelines but I can tell you it takes time. I still learn stuff after 15 years here, so don't feel too bad. If you are not sure you should ask for advise, such as posting to one of the relevant topic talk pages or putting a {{help me}} tag on your talk page.

If you move this image File:USPS Logo.png to the enwiki, then it MUST be used in an article and comply with all 10 non-free content criteria policy requirements, otherwise it will be deleted there too. Regarding File:Official Ronald Stroman USPS Photo.png whose source page has a clear copyright notice, so unless you can verify this image is freely licensed, this will be deleted and you cannot move it to the enwiki because it will fail the criteria that non-free images of living people are not allowed. This is a lot to take, so good luck. Ww2censor (talk) 22:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. I have the logo uploaded correctly and with the appropriate language through the uploader. As far as a living person, how can we not upload images of living persons, when they are all over the internet and such (i.e. Postmaster General. Her image is the same copyright as all other photos of the executives of the Postal Service. Lady Gaga, etc. how would those get uploaded? Would it have to be another image of him not taken by the USPS that I can find, say at a news conference covered by numerous channels or....? I already said the images on commons could be deleted. The archives are in the heading section here is a direct link but if you look in the yellow box, there is the archive search box and right above that is the links to the archive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_Postal_Service/Archive_1. I have compared the Archive 3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_Postal_Service/Archive_3 with the January 2020 archive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_Postal_Service/Archives/2020/January and all of the talks are the exact same so nothing was lost. Thanks! --Galendalia (talk) 22:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

For a start I've nominated w:Talk:United States Postal Service/Archives/2020/January for because it is redundant based on your comparisons. The deletion is at w:Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:United States Postal Service/Archives/2020/January. I presume you agree with that. I'll investigate how to continue the archiving later and let you know. As I told you just because you can find images on the internet does not mean we can use them if they are copyright. Regarding living people, if their image has been freely licensed we can use them, otherwise not. One of the principles of non-free image use is that if a person is living, a freely licensed image can be made of them, so using a non-free is not allowed. If you know of other copyright images that are hosted here they should be nominate for deletion. If you can get access to and photograph the main USPS officer that would be great but we can't keep any copyright images of them. As an example it took me quite a long time to even find a photo of Marvin Runyon and all I found was this copyright image which is allowed because he is deceased. Ww2censor (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ww2censor: I added my yes to the deletion. I’ll see what I can find as there are other pictures of him. When you say “hosted here” I’m assuming you mean on commons and not on en? Would that be correct?

Thanks again for helping clarify. —Galendalia (talk) 11:06, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

If you can find other images that would be really great. "Hosted anywhere" and being a copyright violation or a non-free without complying with the enwiki NFCC. Unless you are contesting speedy deletion, there is no need to post anything to the file page or elsewhere. If you want to contest it, it is best to convert it into a regular deletion nomination for further discussion and post there. Ww2censor (talk) 11:13, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Gotcha! @Ww2censor: Galendalia (talk) 11:21, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Ww2censor I think I found one can you see if this would work please? https://www.ourcampaigns.com/CandidateDetail.html?CandidateID=329188 —Galendalia (talk) 12:05, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Ggggrrrr cell phone typing @Ww2censor: Galendalia (talk) 12:06, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

What makes you think that website's images are freely licensed? While there is no copyright notice, without a specific notice stating the copyright status, or a specific license we have to assume it IS copyright. It's not a US government site, so certainly not in the public domain either. BTW, instead of staggered posts, you can keep using indent, indent, indent ":" and when the posts get too far to the right, use {{outdent}} to start on the left again. Ww2censor (talk) 13:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Archiving USPS

I know this has to do with the enwiki page but I'll continue here for now. I've readded the cluebot code but for some reason the page "s/2020/January" still shows up. Let's see what happens when the page is deleted. I set to bot to archive 1 post and leave only 4 for now. I'm not sure it's correct. Cheers Ww2censor (talk) 13:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

OK, so now that the extra USPS talk page archive page was deleted and a day has passed, it seems to have purged the link from the talk page, so it all looks good. Hopefully it will now function as expected. Cheers Ww2censor (talk) 10:01, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Cool I also got a free image of him for now. Sorry about that again. Galendalia (talk) 10:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

We cannot be certain US senators' own news page images are actually taken by US government employees. There is no attribution and no metadata that such images usually have, so this is a questionable image. Ww2censor (talk) 10:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

It is taken from her official government page at her office therefore it would have to be in public domain and those types of meetings would not have press present it would be her staff. I’ve been in DC and lived there for quite a few years and I personally know press does not attend meetings in senators offices Galendalia (talk) 10:50, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm not saying necessarily press but could be freelance and without metadata I am certainly not sure. Maybe it's good, maybe it's not: I would say the copyright status is unclear. Ww2censor (talk) 11:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I’ll dig into it later today and maybe call their office or email them and have them put a source on it Galendalia (talk) 11:16, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

That would be great. Ww2censor (talk) 13:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)