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ČD Railjet locomotives

Moved to Commons:Categories for discussion/2015/02/Category:ČD Railjet locomotives.

This section was archived on a request by: FDMS 4 12:44, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

File:Cover Sjung.jpg

File:Cover Sjung.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

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Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

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-- Deadstar (msg) 15:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

File:Aya Saad ELdeen Sayed.jpg

Dear, Why the photo of File:Aya Saad ELdeen Sayed.jpg is deleted, the Author Aya send and email, and I send also another email to the email : permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, I want to restore the photo --أحمد محمد بسيوني (talk)‎ 21:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi أحمد محمد بسيوني; I don't have access to deleted files, but I'm sure that an administrator who is also an OTRS volunteer will deal with this soon. Thanks for your patience, FDMS 4 00:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Mass deletions

Hello. With respect to Commons:Deletion_requests/Uploads_of_User:Geagea#Uploads_of_User:Geagea I did not put the deletion notice on he individual files because there were too many of them. On balance I doubt that it would have mattered anyway. Who would look at them? Regards. Alan Liefting (talk) 17:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@Alan Liefting: Because you didn't tag them, some of them have been nominated again. Also, without a tag, users watching pages are not made aware of the DR. FDMS 4 17:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

In retrospect I should have used some sort of automated tool to do it correctly but unfortunately I don't have ready access to any at this point. Alan Liefting (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@Alan Liefting: Really the best tool out there is COM:VFC, it also makes finding the files to nominate easier. FDMS 4 17:40, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Moving of comments

Please do not move my comment anymore. My comment to this is not my comment to this. -- Geagea (talk) 23:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@Geagea: I used {{Moved discussion}} to make it clear that you did not comment on the latter DR itself, but your comments have been moved from the former DR. Given the existence of said template, I think that's common practice. FDMS 4 00:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

File:New Fresh Wharf near London Bridge.jpg

Are you taking care of this? Then I won't interfere anymore. I'll be out of office for two weeks, anyway. Jonathan groß [talk] 09:43, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

@Jonathan Groß: As you have already responded to the new eMail and I have cleaned up the mess I can't see anything related to this file left to do. FDMS 4 14:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Jonathan groß [talk] 09:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

File:Outer Wilds poster (no credits).jpg

A separate OTRS email was sent for the edit you reverted. The email needs to be associated with the existing ticket, if possible. czar ⨹ 18:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Done. FDMS 4 22:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Special:Diff/152825270/152826681

Hi. I undid this due to the never-gonna-get-archived h1 headings. Would you elaborate on how {{Section resolved}} didn't work? --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 11:57, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

@Zhuyifei1999: Indeed, h1 headings, should've thought about them, sorry. ArchiveBot didn't fully support them either, maybe SpBot could just remove empty h1 headings when archiving, User:Euku? {{Section resolved}} requires {{Autoarchive resolved section}}, maybe both archive methods could be used on COM:VP? FDMS 4 13:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't know about the timeout parameter. And sure, using both methods should be okay afaik (COM:BWR use this method), as long as not all of the sections get {{Section resolved}} --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 14:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Done. FDMS 4 14:58, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Frage

Hallo FDMS4, wollte dich fragen ob du Diskussion über Problem dir mal anschauen kannst wo seit vier Monaten offen ist. Dein Benutzerseite war mal glaube ich geschlossen (Schwarzer Hintergrund). --Richard Reinhardt (talk) 17:25, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

@Richard Reinhardt: Gerne, um welche Diskussion geht es denn? Meine Benutzerseite war nur zu Silvester (aus "Stimmungszwecken") schwarz, das wurde automatisch durch User:丶/1 geändert. FDMS 4 18:57, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Es geht um diese Diskussion vom 4. November 2014: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2014/11/Category:Harmonie_%28Sri_Chinmoy,_Prague%29 --Richard Reinhardt (talk) 14:35, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@Richard Reinhardt: Ich weiß nicht ganz wieso du mich diesbezüglich ansprichst, ich war an ähnlichen Diskussionen nicht zuvor beteiligt. Bitte lies dir w:WP:CANVASS durch, das hat auch hier bei der Konsensbildung Gültigkeit. FDMS 4 19:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Habe ich jetzt ein Fehler gemacht ? Kenne es von Wikipedia das nach einer Woche Entscheidung getroffen wird. Diskussion ist schon seit 3 1/2 Monaten offen.--Richard Reinhardt (talk) 06:58, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

@Richard Reinhardt: Nichts schlimmes, aber Kategoriediskussion können auf Commons durchaus sehr lange offenbleiben, wenn kein Konsens erreicht werden kann (grundsätzlich sollten mindestens 14 Tage abgewartet werden). FDMS 4 11:34, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Hallo FDMS4,gibt es eine möglichkeit für mich das es in der obigen Diskussion zu einer Entscheidung kommt. Vier Jahre und noch keine Entscheidung wie in deinem Beispiel ist schon etwas länger.https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2014/11/Category:Harmonie_%28Sri_Chinmoy,_Prague%29 --Richard Reinhardt (talk) 07:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

@Richard Reinhardt: Ich sehe in der Diskussion noch keinen Konsens, deinem ursprünglichen Wunsch nach einer Löschung wird jedoch so oder so nicht stattgegeben werden. Lass mich bitte wissen wenn du ihn zurückziehen möchtest, in diesem Fall könnte ich die Diskussion sehr wohl frühzeitig für dich schließen und in das entsprechende Archiv verschieben. FDMS 4 21:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Ja Löschung der Kategorie macht keinen Sinn. Habe es auch nochmal in Diskussion geschrieben. Wenn es für dich möglich ist Kategorie umzubennen ist das Thema abgehackt.Danke ! --Richard Reinhardt (talk) 06:49, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

@Richard Reinhardt: Sorry, dass die Statue auch einen englischen Namen hat habe ich übersehen. Damit werde ich die Kategorie wohl tatsächlich bald umbenennen (verschieben) können, gemäß unserer language policy. FDMS 4 16:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hallo Florian, so weit wie ich Diskussion verstehe sind sich alle Disskussionsteilnehmer damit einverstanden Kategorie umzubenennen nach: The Statue of Harmony (Prague). Kann ich das selber machen oder muss das ein Admin machen ? Bzw. was ist deine Meinung dazu.--Richard Reinhardt (talk) 09:12, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

@Richard Reinhardt: CFDs müssen nicht von Admins geschlossen werden, wenn du die Kategorie umbenennen möchtest verwende bitte Special:MovePage/Category:Harmonie_(Sri_Chinmoy,_Prague) und ändere manuell den Kategorienamen auf den einzelnen Dateibeschreibungsseiten. FDMS 4 12:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Danke für hilfe bei Klärung von diesem Sachverhalt.--Richard Reinhardt (talk) 18:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit to commons: source page

I see you recently undid my edits to the page COM:SOURCE. I had added the text because the image File:Sacrifice of Isaac-Caravaggio (Uffizi).jpg has a problematic source field, and this has caused the image to fail as a candidate for Featured Picture on the English Wikipedia. I felt it was important to make clear to uploaders the importance of including valid source info, since even this file was uploaded by an admin who didn't understand its importance. Thoughts? KDS4444 (talk) 19:09, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

@KDS4444: I have converted your NSD tag into a regular deletion request. There is no policy saying that we should delete files that are clearly PD just because the source information provided isn't very detailed. As for Commons:Essential information, I don't think that's the right place to explain English Wikipedia FP requirements and to be honest, to my ears, your addition to that page sounded quite rude, especially but not only given that there is no consensus that these are requirements, at least none that I know of. The non-rude, realistic version would be "the more info you provide the better", which is however kind of obvious. FDMS 4 23:13, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry if my additions to the page came across as overbearing. I was trying to emphasize already-included instructions such as "In order to make sure that the license is accurate, the file description page needs to mention where a file came from". It seems contradictory to have demands like that in the list of essential information but then not treat it as essential in a given case. The red star next to the "Source" field on the file upload page also seems to suggest its essential nature. Or are you suggesting that such information is just not essential for anything clearly PD? And if that is the case, wouldn't it be useful for us to say so somewhere? I am trying to find ways to reduce ambiguity when it comes to what a file needs in order to be uploaded because so many uploaders do not seem to understand the requirements... Except they apparently aren't always requirements, which means the ambiguity remains. Ah, well. It seemed worth a try. I guess it's like the Middle East: no solution. KDS4444 (talk) 13:00, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'm suggesting that, there is {{Unknown}} for such cases. Although COM:EI isn't that prominently linked to, I will look into (possibly rewriting) it ~~this evening~~ on 2015-03-21 and answer in more detail afterwards. Stay optimistic! FDMS 4 14:54, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@KDS4444: Sorry for the delay, like the new version? Commons' Dubai :) ? FDMS 4 20:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

autocat

Die Ausgabe ist fuer Sprachen ausser Englisch inkonsistent und teilweise falsch. Beispielsweise:

Spricht etwas dagegen einen redirect von Template:Autocat nach Template:image template notice anzulegen? --McZusatz (talk) 23:02, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

@McZusatz: Ursprünglich wollte ich {{Autocat}} eh zu einem redirect machen, nur stellte ich dann fest dass {{Autocat}} Parameter hat die {{Image template notice}} nicht kennt und {{Image template notice}} spezifischer (spricht immer von Dateien) ist und somit der redirect eher in die andere Richtung gehen sollte. Am optimalsten wäre es, würde {{Autocat}} das Design von {{Image template notice}} übernehmen und {{Image template notice}} {{autocat|ns=File}} o. ä. transkludieren. Oder meinst du mit inkonsistent [Layout ja, sonst eig. nein; Anm.] und teilweise falsch etwas anderes? FDMS 4 23:14, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, dein Vorschlag ergibt Sinn. Dann waere der erste Schritt also, die anderen Sprachversionen von {{Autocat}} auf die englische abzustimmen. --McZusatz (talk) 02:08, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

For more tests, here are the compared results for English:

{{Autocat|templateName|value1|lang=en}} {{Autocat|templateName|value1|ns=|lang=en}} {{Image template notice|templateName|value1|lang=en}}

Pages are added automatically to this category by placing the template {{templateName|value1}} on them. Do not add pages to this category manually!
Maintenance: Search for misplaced files using PetScan (will not work on categories shared by many templates).

Files are added automatically to this category by placing the template {{templateName|value1}} on their description pages. Do not add files to this category manually!
Maintenance: Search for misplaced files using PetScan (will not work on categories shared by many templates).

Here are other correct translations to French:

{{Autocat|templateName|value1|lang=fr}} {{Autocat|templateName|value1|ns=|lang=fr}} {{Image template notice|templateName|value1|lang=fr}}

Les pages sont placées dans cette catégorie par l’inclusion du modèle {{templateName|value1}}. Veuillez ne pas insérer cette catégorie manuellement.
Maintenance : recherchez les fichiers mal placés avec PetScan (cela ne fonctionnera pas sur les catégories partagées par de nombreux modèles).

Les fichiers sont placés dans cette catégorie par l’inclusion du modèle {{templateName|value1}} dans leur page de description. Veuillez ne pas insérer cette catégorie manuellement.
Maintenance : recherchez les fichiers mal placés avec PetScan (cela ne fonctionnera pas sur les catégories partagées par de nombreux modèles).

Now to German:

{{Autocat|templateName|value1|lang=de}} {{Autocat|templateName|value1|ns=|lang=de}} {{Image template notice|templateName|value1|lang=de}}

Seiten werden dieser Kategorie automatisch hinzugefügt, indem man die Vorlage {{templateName|value1}} auf der Seite einfügt. Bitte kategorisiere keine Seiten manuell ein!
Wartung: Suche nach Dateien ohne Vorlage CatScan (Dies funktioniert nicht, wenn die Kategorie von mehreren Vorlagen benutzt wird.)

Dateien werden dieser Kategorie automatisch hinzugefügt, indem man die Vorlage {{templateName|value1}} auf der Dateibeschreibungsseite einfügt. Bitte kategorisiere keine Dateien manuell ein!
Wartung: Suche nach Dateien ohne Vorlage CatScan (Dies funktioniert nicht, wenn die Kategorie von mehreren Vorlagen benutzt wird.)

Note that "Autocat" has a message related by default to "Pages", not to "Files". You need to set "ns=" explicitly to have the same meaning between "Autocat" and "Image template notice". So the German translation of "Image template notice" was just wrong and I just fixed it (English is correctly differentiating the two cases).

Now to Russian, with the legacy code still not based on "Image template notice" also still used in Finnish, Ukrainian and Chinese (so translations look different but they should mean the same):

{{Autocat|templateName|value1|lang=ru}} {{Autocat|templateName|value1|ns=|lang=ru}} {{Image template notice|templateName|value1|lang=ru}}

Страницы помещаются в эту категорию и удаляются из неё посредством размещения шаблона {{templateName|value1}} или его удаления. Пожалуйста, не добавляйте страницы в эту категорию вручную.
Поддержание порядка: ищите неправильно размещённые файлы, используя PetScan (не будет работать для категорий, которые добавляются несколькими шаблонами).

Файлы помещаются в эту категорию и удаляются из неё посредством размещения шаблона {{templateName|value1}} или его удаления из их описаний. Пожалуйста, не добавляйте файлы в эту категорию вручную.
Поддержание порядка: ищите неправильно размещённые файлы, используя PetScan (не будет работать для категорий, которые добавляются несколькими шаблонами).

{{Autocat|templateName|value1|lang=fi}} {{Autocat|templateName|value1|ns=|lang=fi}} {{Image template notice|templateName|value1|lang=fi}}

Tämä luokka on automaattisesti lisätty mallineen {{templateName|value1}}. Älä lisää luokkaa manuaalisesti.
Ylläpito: Etsi väärinmerkittyjä tiedostoja CatScanilla (Tämä ei toimi luokissa, joita monet mallineet käyttävät.)

Tähän luokkaan voi lisätä tiedostoja lisäämällä tiedostosivulle {{templateName|value1}}. Älä lisää luokkaa manuaalisesti.
Ylläpito: Etsi väärinmerkittyjä tiedostoja CatScanilla (Tämä ei toimi luokissa, joita monet mallineet käyttävät.)

{{Autocat|templateName|value1|lang=uk}} {{Autocat|templateName|value1|ns=|lang=uk}} {{Image template notice|templateName|value1|lang=uk}}

Ця категорія додається автоматично шаблоном {{templateName|value1}}. Будь ласка, не додавайте категорію напряму.
Обслуговування: Пошук неправильно розміщених файлів за допомогою PetScan (це не працюватиме з категоріями, якими користуються багато шаблонів).

Щоб додати файл до цієї категорії, додайте шаблон {{templateName|value1}} на сторінку опису файлу. Будь ласка, не додавайте категорію напряму.
Обслуговування: Пошук неправильно розміщених файлів за допомогою PetScan (це не працюватиме з категоріями, якими користуються багато шаблонів).

{{Autocat|templateName|value1|lang=zh}} {{Autocat|templateName|value1|ns=|lang=zh}} {{Image template notice|templateName|value1|lang=zh}}

如果要在本分類增加或移除某個頁面，請在該頁面放上或移除{{templateName|value1}}模板。請勿手工將頁面加入本分類。
維護：請使用PetScan搜尋放置錯誤的檔案（不適用於多個模板共享的分類）。

如果要在本分類增加或移除某個檔案，請在其檔案描述頁面放上或移除{{templateName|value1}}模板。請勿手工將檔案加入本分類。
維護：請使用PetScan搜尋放置錯誤的檔案（不適用於多個模板共享的分類）。

Note that Chinese still has no translation in "Image template notice", so it displays English only (but the messages are translated in legacy code of "Autocat"...): -- verdy_p (talk) 16:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Verdy p: I intend to fully merge both templates and make {{Image template notice}} a redirect in the rather near future; ~~although it was me who introduced that ns parameter I now think that it wouldn't hurt to get rid of it altogether and just always display "Pages".~~ FDMS 4 18:00, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh well, I see; but there are many more translation (subpages) in Image template notice and it uses the translate tool. I thought it would be the reverse (easier to do).

In fact I'm reducing the code in Autocat so that it will be simpler (I've already reduced several languages), merged several sentences between legacy code of Autocat and Image template notice. We're not so far from having one code only without sacrificing the "ns" feature (there are many more categories in Commons related to images and using "Image template notice" and I did not want to alter the meaning in those categories for images.~

There remains anyway only 4 languages with specific code (all others are already using the code of "Image template notice", which is already translated in lots of languages, notably for categories automatically popualted by licence templates and many tracking templates parsing metadata of photographic or SVG files, and file description pages using lots of templates, and their own translations).

I've also simplified sentences when there's a specified "value" in "Autocat" (that value is directly integrated in the syntax now, so that it does not need an additional fragment of sentence in that case (the message is easier/faster to read). Note also that Image template notice also contains an additional message for maintenance with CatScan (still missing in the legacy code for the 4 languages in Autocat) verdy_p (talk) 18:12, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Merging the two templates is not so easy, I've made most work but it would be simpler if the 4 languages were handled with the new code (with less combinations to test). verdy_p (talk) 18:12, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Verdy p: I now remember why I created the namespace parameter, so I will keep a redesigned version of it. I'd be fine with sacrificing four (possibly already outdated) translations, however, I guess you wouldn't so I'll have to find a workaround. If the merger was uncomplicated, I would have already completed it. Collaborating with you in "realtime" unfortunately isn't a possibility as you don't use preview and therefore cause many edit conflicts. FDMS 4 18:22, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I do use preview everytime, but for seeing changes in other pages I need intermediate commits (so yes they are small, in case of errors I limit the damages with smaller reverts of corrections).

In talk pages this is different, I commit sentences before looking further in other pages and then I may add details after checking them (the order is different) verdy_p (talk) 18:29, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Verdy p: Are you aware of TemplateSandbox? FDMS 4 18:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Also these 4 translations (including Finnish which uses a very different logic for ordering terms, Chinese being in fact much simpler, grammatically in its syntax and logically in its order; Russian and Ukrainian do not exhibit any difficult problems) do not seem outdated at all. The only thing I cannot check is if their exact grammar is correct, but their meaning looks extremely correct).

And what will you do for existing translations like Arabic and Hindi in the Image template? Force them to use English? verdy_p (talk) 18:29, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

And why do you propose TemplateSandbox ? As I said, I preview all incremental changes, even if this means that they will be fragmented in multiple steps. I'm not playing in a sandbox, each change has its own corrections/additions. It is because I'm looking for other usages elsewhere that I discover details to support or fix in further steps (these would not be discovered when using a separate sandbox not used at all by these other pages). verdy_p (talk) 18:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Verdy p: The TemplateSandbox lets you preview your changes on other pages. It is not a separate sandbox, but a field below the wikitext editor (by default) displayed when editing a templatespace page. You cannot switch display language using it, but translating shouldn't result in unexpected output and you can just temporarily alter the first LangSwitch' output number to preview possible changes to the old version. FDMS 4 19:57, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

But I've always used ?setlang" during these tests ! And as I said, I previewed each change becaise looking firther in other pages, each discovery required more adjustments while looking back again to the various test pages. No sandbox would have helped (and not this one, not working at all). verdy_p (talk) 20:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, as I said, there is almost (!) always a way to preview template changes without saving several revisions. And changes to template documentation subpages don't require any previewing at all, just slightly more attentiveness. FDMS 4 21:50, 5 April 2015 (UTC)