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Myelin sheat[edit]

On File:Neuron3.png, you've labelled one of the components "Myelin sheat". I think the more common spelling is "Myelin sheath" (see e.g. w:Myelin) - is that a typo or a deliberate choice that you chose the spelling "sheat"? Deryck Chan (talk) 22:13, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Deryck Chan: Thanks. That was a typo. I rarely logged into Wikipedia lately. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 23:32, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Deryck Chan: I just corrected the misprint in the image. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 16:30, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is very nice, thank you! Deryck Chan (talk) 22:08, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 13:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File tagging File:NN Chau TDA cover.png[edit]

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Krd 07:13, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This file was on the English Wikipedia with fair-use license, then someone moved it to Commons. Could you move it back to the English Wikipedia or should I re-upload the file there? Thanks. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 16:32, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File:Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966) A biography.pdf[edit]

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— JJMC89 (T·C) 01:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File:Nguyen Ngoc Bich Minh Tan Logo.png[edit]

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— JJMC89 (T·C) 01:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JJMC89: The publisher Minh Tan ceased to exist since the 1950s, more than 70 years ago. I believe it is in the public domain. What is the procedure and the right license? Egm4313.s12 (talk) 15:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JJMC89: I found the following PD templates appropriate for this logo, and want to inform you ahead by five days from today before I upload it again on 2023 Apr 1, Saturday (or later on Sunday). Please let me know in case you find some other problems. Thank you.

File:Nguyen Ngoc Bich 1931 Ecole Polytechnique 2.png[edit]

Hi, What's the source? What's the date? This is necessary to determine the copyright status in USA. Thanks, Yann (talk) 11:51, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: The source is Nguyen Ngoc Chau, who is the son of Nguyen Ngoc Bich, and who is my co-author of the master biography Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A Biography, and the date is in the title 1931 (year nineteen hundred thirty one). Egm4313.s12 (talk) 17:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not recreate deleted content[edit]

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--Yann (talk) 11:53, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: I did not recreate the content by uploading another pdf. Instead I put in a note to redirect readers to the master biography available elsewhere. I reproduce the redirect below for clarity in terms of what I created and for future reference. Could you put this redirect in the page File:Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966) A biography.pdf|? Egm4313.s12 (talk) 18:32, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File available elsewhere

NOTE: To those who came to this page via the above web address, the most up-to-date document Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A Biography is available on the Internet Archive, with this backup copy. The old version on Wikimedia Commons was deleted due to a license concern of the embedded images. Thank you. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 17:54, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File:French plane dropped napalm bomb on Vietminh force.png[edit]

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Yann (talk) 11:54, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: I used the same license as that of the image c:File:French_indochina_napalm_1953-12_1.png, which has been on Commons since 2007 !! I took the screenshot from the same video of this image. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 17:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File:Moule 1865 - Marco Polo - Caugigu p.296.png[edit]

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Yann (talk) 12:00, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: I just checked the article Henry Yule, who was the translator of this book: He died in 1889, not 1957. Please check. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 19:45, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File copyright status[edit]

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@Yann: I will check with you about the copyright licenses before uploading to be sure. Please check whether the PD templates {{PD-France}} {{PD-1996}} could be used for File:Nguyen Ngoc Bich Minh Tan Logo.png. I thought they are appropriate for the reason mentioned further above. Thank you. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 18:09, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the author? What's the source? Yann (talk) 18:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: The source is exactly the same person as for File:Nguyen Ngoc Bich 1931 Ecole Polytechnique 2.png, i.e., Nguyen Ngoc Chau, who is the son of Nguyen Ngoc Bich, and who is my co-author of the master biography Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A Biography, where the image of the logo can be found. The author (logo designer) is unknown. The publishing house Minh Tan ceased to exist since the late 1950s. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 18:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so this is probably in the public domain in France, if it was first published there. However the copyright status in USA is uncertain. Yann (talk) 18:44, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: The three conditions in the {{PD-1996}} are satisfied, namely, (1) it was first published outside the United States (and not published in the U.S. within 30 days), (2) it was first published before 1 March 1989 without copyright notice or before 1964 without copyright renewal or before the source country established copyright relations with the United States (there was no copyright symbol on the original), (3) it was in the public domain in its home country on the URAA date (January 1, 1996 for most countries). Egm4313.s12 (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I undeleted the file, and challenged the DR. Let's see what others think about this. Yann (talk) 11:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use of book cover[edit]

@Yann: The article Paul Mus has no image of the subject. I want to check with you whether the book-cover image of the book Paul Mus (1902-1969): L'espace d'un regard can be uploaded using the Fair-Use images of book cover, as "Images in this category are claimed to be fair use book cover images under United States copyright law". Please let me know. Thanks. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 01:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, may be, but you better check on the English Wikipedia itself: en:Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. Yann (talk) 11:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I record here that I did follow up your suggestion; see "Wikipedia talk: Non-free content," Section "Book-cover and portrait-image fair use regarding the portrait image of Paul Mus at File:Paul Mus (1902-1969), expert historian on Indochina, Buddhism.jpg. Thanks. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 17:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File:Nguyen Ngoc Bich Minh Tan Logo.png[edit]

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Yann (talk) 11:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Official rule or personal preference?[edit]

I am reorganizing this section for future reference. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 18:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Spamming own work"?[edit]

@Yann: Is there an official rule against "spamming own work" when "own work" is the only authoritative source on the subject, who is not among the authors of "own work"?

For example, when I refer to the document Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A biography by Nguyen Ngoc Chau and Vu Quoc Loc (myself), the subject is "Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966)," who is not any of the two authors, in the image description, and the authors have expert knowledge on the subject, is that "spamming own work," and where is the official rule written?

I thought the only rule would be against writing about oneself (such as I create an article about myself), but not against writing about others (such as I write about Nguyen Ngoc Bich and refer to Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A biography by Nguyen Ngoc Chau and Vu Quoc Loc).

Or is "spamming own work" just a personal preference of an anonymous admin or user not liking an uploader to cite their own work about the subject who is not the uploader?

Thanks for any clarification. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 21:07, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Egm4313.s12: Hi,

This is essentially a Wikipedia rule. On Commons, it works a but differently. There is no objection to publish documents created by oneself here as long as these files have an educational value. For example, many people publish pictures about their ancestor(s), and that's not a problem if these ancestors are notable, or if the pictures are within Commons scope (most old pictures are accepted whatever is the subject). Yann (talk) 17:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: It is not clear when you wrote "This is essentially a Wikipedia rule." What is the rule, and could you provide the link? I am writing about Nguyen Ngoc Bich and refer to Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A biography by Nguyen Ngoc Chau and Vu Quoc Loc, but not writing about myself. So there should not be any rule against writing on a notable person who is not myself. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 17:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be specific, please take a look at this file, where you would see that an anonymous admin removed the citation to the document Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A biography. Is that necessary to remove this document which provides information on the image? Egm4313.s12 (talk) 17:43, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia rule is en:WP:COI. I think that writing about a close relative would be a conflict of interest, even if the person is notable. Yann (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: Thanks Yann. I am not even a relative of Nguyen Ngoc Bich, but only a co-author of Nguyen Ngoc Chau, his son. I did ALL of the writing on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. The Foreword in Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A biography explained why I got involved in this biography work on the subject, that I had never heard of this subject until 2022 (!) while working on my own family history. Please take a look. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 19:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Commons image description, official rules[edit]

@Yann: @JJMC89: For the first time, I feel more comfortable with Wikimedia Commons as Yann helped provide checks and balances. One admin would tend to impose personal preferences, rather than official rules.

When uploading an image to Wikimedia Commons, the Description says "Provide all information that will help others understand what this file represents."

In addition, I found the official recommendations for image description in Commons:First steps/Quality and description (13:46, 15 July 2023, latest version as of 17 Dec 2023), where it is written:

Good file descriptions

"A good file description provides complete information about the file, including legally required information such as its copyright status and source, as well as descriptive information about what it shows and how it was made." [Meaning the more info, the better. No interdiction of "spamming own work".]
"Description of the content. What do you see, hear, or otherwise perceive? If it's an artwork, please provide brief historical background. In case of scientific data, a brief scientific abstract of the file. If you have detailed information about an image, ..., please add it." [Meaning the more info, the better. No interdiction of "spamming own work".]
"If you can write in more than one language, consider adding the description in all of them. See this note about creating wikilinks." [Meaning the more info, the better. No interdiction of "spamming own work".]
"Use the template c:Template:Own, if you created that file yourself. Otherwise please supply a Link to a website, with a direct link to the page embedding the file and a direct link to the file" —Meaning the more info, the better. No interdiction of "spamming own work". On the contrary, there is a clear encouragement to "spam own work"!

Wikipedia:Wikilinks from the Commons (23:45, 3 November 2014, latest version as of 17 Dec 2023)

"A well written image description or gallery on the Commons will have plenty of links to the appropriate language Wikipedia." [I would add "and (in the case where there is no equivalent language Wikipedia articles) to other sources." And thus the more info, the better. No interdiction of "spamming own work".]

When there is only one admin editing (deleting the content of) the image description written by the uploader, without justifying with the official rules, that could make the uploader feel bullied and harassed, particularly when the admin edits defied logical thinking, did not make common sense, such as "spam own work".

Again, it is better to have more than one admin provide a 2nd or even a 3rd opinion, and thus checks and balances, since one admin would tend to impose personal preferences rather than what were called for by official rules.

Generally, the uploader would know more about the content of the uploads (e.g., Vietnam history and culture) than the admin, who should limit their actions to the licensing of the uploads, and leave the description of any upload and the corrections of this description, to other users who are knowledgeable about the subject.

An example is File:From_Marco_Polo_to_Pham_Ngu_Lao_1284.pdf, which requires knowledge of Vietnam history that an admin unlikely possesses. I cited my own work (Marco Polo's Caugigu - Phạm Ngũ Lão's Đại Việt - 1285) here since "15:12, 23 April 2023," and no admin ever took the link way. That's not "spamming," but providing more detailed information to readers.

Another example is File:Bâtiments_172.jpg, where I made corrections in the description to "Vietnam National Museum of History," and added an English description. Compare Before my edits (12:58, 24 March 2022) VERSUS After my edits (18:54, 3 December 2023).

Yet another example is File:Hoc-tro-ta-on.jpg, where I corrected the description and added information with many links. Compare Before my edits (08:18, 2 August 2021) VERSUS After my edits (17:52, 27 November 2023)

Before I restore the citation to Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A Biography in images such as this file, please provide any objection and rationale for such objection, based on official rules (with links and direct quotations as I did above), not personal preference.

Thank you. (Merci.)

Egm4313.s12 (talk) 12:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, For File:From Marco Polo to Pham Ngu Lao 1284.pdf, you should mention in the description the images used, and since this is a single page, it would be better in PNG format. I renamed File:Bâtiments_172.jpg, and I fixed the date for File:Hoc-tro-ta-on.jpg. Yann (talk) 09:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

☛ Bonjour, if you had followed the directions in the image description to bring up the pdf of File:From Marco Polo to Pham Ngu Lao 1284.pdf, then click on any image or text, you would see that all these images came from Wikipedia articles (either in English or in Vietnamese), and hence from Wikimedia Commons. In other words, this pdf has embedded links. That's what I knew how to make embedded links, and don't want to spend more time on this image (such as creating a png image), as I have other fish to fry. Some other users may want to do that if png is better than pdf. (Why? could png images have embedded links?) Egm4313.s12 (talk) 22:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

☛ I found this article PNG vs PDF vs JPG: Which File Format Should You Use? from Shutterstock. Thanks for changing the name of File:Bâtiments_172.jpg to File:Vietnam National Museum of History, Hanoi, Vietnam.jpg, which I will add to the article on Paul Mus. Later, I will add the source of the images in File:From Marco Polo to Pham Ngu Lao 1284.pdf as mentioned above to the image description. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citation spam, official rule[edit]

@Yann: @JJMC89:

I found the official rule regarding "citation spamming," and documented here for clarity and for future reference, since some admins and users either misread, misunderstood, or were confused between Wikipedia rules and Wikimedia Commons rules (they are not the same), on top of being confused between official rules and their own personal preferences ("L'État, c'est moi!").

☛ In Wikipedia:Spam § Citation spam (06:37, 27 November 2023, latest version as of 17 Dec 2023), it was written that:

"Variations of citation spamming include academics and scientists using their editing privileges primarily to add citations to their own work, .... Citation spamming is a subtle form of spam and should not be confused with legitimate good-faith additions intended to verify article content and help build the encyclopedia."

☛ Wikimedia Commons rules for image description were already mentioned in User_talk:Egm4313.s12 § "Spamming own work"? and in User_talk:Egm4313.s12 § Egregiously meaningless image description.

Remarks:

The above Wikipedia rule on "Citation spam" is for Wikipedia articles, not for Wikimedia Commons image descriptions.
Even by applying the above Wikipedia rule on "Citation spam"—whether to the Wikipedia article Nguyen Ngoc Bich or to the description of an image such as File:Nguyen Ngoc Bich Street.png—the citation of Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911–1966): A Biography is a "legitimate good-faith addition intended to verify article content and help build the encyclopedia," and therefore not a "citation spam."

All of my articles on the Internet Archive and cited in Wikipedia and Commons are "legitimate good-faith additions intended to verify article content and help build the encyclopedia," and therefore not "citation spams":
1. Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911–1966): A Biography^[1], Internet Archive, 2023, CC BY-SA 4.0: Cited in Nguyen Ngoc Bich.
2. Vu Quoc Loc (2023a) Notes on Vietnam History^[2], Internet Archive, CC BY-SA 4.0: Cited in Nguyen Ngoc Bich, Archimedes Patti.
3. Vu-Quoc-Loc (2023b) Marco Polo's Caugigu - Phạm Ngũ Lão's Đại Việt - 1285^[3], Internet Archive, CC BY-SA 4.0: Cited in Mongol invasions of Vietnam, Nguyen Ngoc Bich.

My scientific web article "Vu-Quoc, L. (2008). Configuration integral (statistical mechanics). Archived from the original on April 28, 2012." has been cited in the Wikipedia article w:Partition_function_(statistical_mechanics) for many years without any "citation spamming" complaint since my article was a "legitimate good-faith addition intended to verify article content and help build the encyclopedia," and therefore not a "citation spam."

If you were familiar with real-world citation impact measures, and had looked at the citation impact of my engineering publications on Google Scholar, you would know that I don't need to spam in Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, which bring no real-world citation impact, and thus no real-world glory.

Note: The well-known imperious expression "L'État, c'est moi!" mentioned above is a charitable way to describe the dictatorship of the personal preferences of the underworld anonymous admins and users, who are by far not comparable to the Sun King Louis XIV.

Egm4313.s12 (talk) 23:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Egregiously meaningless image description[edit]

@Yann: @JJMC89:

Consider the image File:Nguyen Ngoc Bich Street.png with the description

“

Nguyen Ngoc Bich Street

”

in Revision as of 18:53, 6 December 2023 by user:JJMC89, that has no historical context regarding the subject Nguyen Ngoc Bich. The description reads boringly as just any other usual street name.

On the contrary, the description that I had

“

Nguyen Ngoc Bich Street. Dr. Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911–1966) was an engineer, a hero in the Vietnamese resistance against the French colonists, a medical doctor, an intellectual and a politician. See Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A Biography,

”

in Revision as of 18:40, 26 November 2023 by user:Egm4313.s12, provided a historical context with additional info in Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911-1966): A Biography, as called for by official rules mentioned above, namely, as a reminder and emphasis,

☛ Commons:First steps/Quality and description (13:46, 15 July 2023, latest version as of 17 Dec 2023)

"A good file description provides complete information about the file, including legally required information such as its copyright status and source, as well as descriptive information about what it shows and how it was made",
"If you have detailed information about an image, ..., please add it",
"if you created that file yourself. Otherwise please supply a Link to a website, with a direct link to the page embedding the file and a direct link to the file",

☛ Wikipedia:Wikilinks from the Commons (23:45, 3 November 2014, latest version as of 17 Dec 2023)

"A well written image description or gallery on the Commons will have plenty of links to the appropriate language Wikipedia." [I would add "and (in the case where there is no equivalent language Wikipedia articles) to other sources."]

See the differences between the two revisions: 18:40, 26 November 2023 (by me) VERSUS 18:53, 6 December 2023 (by JJMC89)

Again, when an anonymous admin or user did the above, it was based purely personal preferences, not official rules. Repeated actions like this one (see History) border on bullying, harassment, if not outright vandalism. Such abusive practice, particularly by an admin, should not be condoned, even in the anonymous underworld of Wikipedia or the Commons.

I appreciate user:JJMC89 (and other admins) spending thankless time roaming the underworld of the Commons. Use your precious time wisely, positively, proactively, by contributing to build up, rather than to tear down. Restrict yourself to official rules and the licensing, and leave the upload description to the uploader, who would tend to know more about the subject, as already explained above.

Academics like me inform others of our works through our list of Publications as contributions we made to the community, not unlike the list of contributions in the underworld of Wikipedia and the Commons (e.g., JJMC89 contribs). The difference is that our identity is revealed to—not concealed from—the public.

Surely, I suspect that if you had published anything worthwhile in the upperworld, e.g., books or articles, you would like the public to know. That's not spamming, but informing! Why would you want to conceal your identity and contributions (unless the contrib was the Unabomber manifesto "Industrial Society and Its Future")? There is not much of a glory to hide in the underworld.

Before I restore the image description (version 02:41, 26 February 2023), following the official rules stated above, please provide any objection, and rationale for such objection, based on official rules (with links and direct quotations as I did above), not personal preferences.

Thank you. Happy holidays.

Prof. Loc Vu-Quoc, vuquocloc@yahoo.com, Publications, Google Scholar

Egm4313.s12 (talk) 16:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recourse[edit]

Reminder in case of continued harassment by anonymous users, with no public credentials, who confused official rules with personal preferences, which they imposed on others: Use WMF Global Ban Policy, Criteria for consideration of a global ban, Requesting a global ban, Trust and Safety

Egm4313.s12 (talk) 18:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Code of Conduct[edit]

@Yann: @JJMC89:

Today, I noticed the request to vote "to ratify the charter (draft) for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)", and noted some relevant links here for future reference: Universal Code of Conduct, Project, Universal Code of Conduct, Policy, Terms of Use, particularly Section 4. Refraining from Certain Activities.

Removing my documents: Copyright violation[edit]

Terms of Use § 4. Refraining from Certain Activities: "Committing Infringement of Intellectual Property Rights: Infringing copyrights, trademarks, patents, or other proprietary rights under the applicable law."

My documents such as

Nguyen Ngoc Bich (1911–1966): A Biography^[4], Internet Archive, 2023, CC-BY-SA 4.0.

and those mentioned above, are under the license CC-BY-SA 4.0, and are used to build the content of the Encyclopedia. Thus removing the references to these documents is an infringement on my copyright, and a violation of the Wikimedia Terms of Use § 4. Refraining from Certain Activities.

Egm4313.s12 (talk) 14:52, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DHN (talk) 17:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: @JJMC89: The image has the license CC-BY-2.0 from the link. What is "license laundering"? If there were any violation, surely User:JJMC89 would flag the image a long time ago; he did not. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 22:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Commons:License laundering. DHN (talk) 00:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)ng[reply]

You did not reply to the license CC-BY-2.0 of the image. If the image has the CC-BY-2.0 license, then there is no license violation, right? Are you saying that the license on Flicker was fake? How do you check? That's your problem with Flickr, not the problem of the uploader who followed the license posted. Your use of the above tag is entirely inappropriate by putting the blame on the uploader instead of on Flickr, and is akin to "police use of excessive force," an abuse of admin privileges. My guess is that this image now appears in three different languages, particularly on the Vietnamese Wikipedia on Sainteny, and that finally caught your attention when you patrolled there. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 01:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Racconish: @Yann: @JJMC89: @DHN: How did you decide that the license was fake or "laundered"? Be transparent. It is not clear to me. Have you contacted Flickr or the Flickr uploader? Egm4313.s12 (talk) 00:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you noted in the description, the photo appeared in Life Magazine at least 50 years ago. It's obvious that whoever uploaded it to Flickr is not the copyright owner and this can't decide the license for the photo. DHN (talk) 00:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, not obvious to me. You were just guessing. The photo was taken in 1946, and just reprinted in Life Magazine (I don't recall whether any credit was given in Life Magazine, which was also on Flickr). So claiming that the photo was on Life Magazine was not the reason for not having the free license. Poor old Sainteny who no longer has his photo, which someone put on the other 3 Wikipedia articles. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 21:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When I have some time, I will check the Life Magazine where this 1946 photo was reprinted, and if there were no credit given, then the photographer would be unknown, and old historical photos like this one can have other licenses that would work. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 00:37, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Racconish: @Yann: C’était vous (Racconish) qui avez retiré la photo en question du public. Veuillez bien remettre ici les sources avec ses liens, particulièrement le numéro du Life Magazine où se trouvait la photo réimprimée. Comme ça, vous quatre (User:Racconish, User:Yann, User:JJMC89, User:DHN) pourriez tous vérifier si le photographe de cette photo était mentionné dans ce numéro, et je ne perds pas de temps pour chercher le lien de ce numéro. En plus, l’avantage d’avoir les sources ici serait bénéfique pour tous lecteurs qui passent par cette page afin de comprendre ce que veut dire “License laundering” ou ”Flickr washing.” Je serai en Europe par une invitation de servir comme examinateur externe d’une défense de doctorat à l’Imperial College, London, et passerai en France et en Autriche avant de revenir aux États Unis. À mon retour, je vérifierai moi même ce numéro de Life Magazine. Merci bien. Bonne journée. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 17:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Les voici : "https://www.flickr.com/photos/13476480@N07/51708445569, license CC-BY-2.0. ◉ Devillers, Philippe (1952), Histoire du Viêt-Nam de 1940 à 1952,'' Seuil, Paris. ◉ [https://www.flickr.com/photos/13476480@N07/7206853852/in/photostream/ 'Negotiations in Paris and a first betrayal,' LIFE, 1968 Mar 22, Vol. 64, No. 12, pp. 26-27.] ◉ Google Books: [https://books.google.com/books?id=5kwEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false LIFE, 1968 Mar 22, Vol. 64, No. 12.] ◉ NOTE: The above image was scanned from Devillers (1952) by Loc Vu-Quoc {{bracket|vuquocloc@yahoo.com, [https://sites.google.com/site/locvuquoc1/ Publications], {{Plain link|url=https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=xlH7V2QAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&is_public_preview=1%7Cname=Google Scholar". Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 17:42, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Egm4313.s12 (talk • contribs) 15:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Racconish: @Yann: @JJMC89: @DHN:

I am back and have verified the issue of LIFE, 1968 Mar 22, Vol. 64, No. 12, which is also included below the photo of Ho Chi Minh, Leclerc, Sainteny (1946) on Flickr.

There was no credit given to the photographer, who was thus unknown. An old historical photo like this one, with no known photographer, would belong to the Vietnamese people and the public, for which the licenses {{PD-Vietnam}} and {{PD-1996}}—such as used in the photo c:File:Le_Grand_Etat-Major_des_Troupes_Caodaïstes.jpg dated in 1948—would be appropriate.

On Flickr, there was a note on the photo of Ho Chi Minh, Leclerc, Sainteny (1946) saying "Note: There is no license history before July 17, 2008."

The blanket copyright on page 5 of this LIFE issue (below the table of contents) was for this whole issue, which could include photos that LIFE did not own the copyright. Images with specific copyright were indicated, such as the advertisement of Nabisco on page 8 in this LIFE issue.

Moreover, this Flickr user Manhhai has uploaded a large number of media items, not all of them have the free license CC BY 2.0 Deed, such as the 1969 Sep 12 issue of Time Magazine on Ho Chi Minh, appearing just a few months after the above LIFE, 1968 Mar 22, Vol. 64, No. 12, which itself had the blanket copyright "All rights reserved" on Flickr.

☛ The point here is that Manhhai is likely a pro, who was careful, and only selectively applied the free license CC-BY-2.0 to specific images.

Please let me know if there are any objections to using the licenses {{PD-Vietnam}} and {{PD-1996}} for the photo of Ho Chi Minh, Leclerc, Sainteny (1946).

Thank you.

Updated Egm4313.s12 (talk) 15:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC) ⦿ Started Egm4313.s12 (talk) 15:22, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I restored the picture and created a proper DR instead. Speedy deletion is not appropriate here. This is in the public domain in Vietnam. Yann (talk) 15:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merci bien, Yann. Bonne journée. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 16:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the due diligence. DHN (talk) 16:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DHN (talk) 01:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, just remove it. No need to wait. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 21:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:1946 Ho Chi Minh Leclerc Sainteny 2.png[edit]

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Yann (talk) 15:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LIFE/Time does NOT own copyright: Solid evidence 1[edit]

@Racconish: @Yann: @JJMC89: @DHN:

Below is solid evidence that LIFE and Time do NOT own the copyright of the photo File:1946 Ho Chi Minh Leclerc Sainteny 2.png.

Google has archived millions of historic photos from the LIFE photo archive.

LIFE photo archive hosted by Google: Search millions of photographs from the LIFE photo archive, stretching from the 1750s to today. Most were never published and are now available for the first time through the joint work of LIFE and Google.

LIFE image collection by Google: Any image in the LIFE photo archive has the name of the photographer and the copyright by Time.

For example, the photo titled Underwater Fashion Show was taken by LIFE photographer Sam Shere in February 1947, with the Copyright Time Inc.

The following search indicates that LIFE (now Time) did have and own the copyright of many photos of historic figures such as US Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Lyndon B. Johnson, and French General Charles de Gaulle:

LIFE image search: Roosevelt: Many images
LIFE image search: Truman: Many images
LIFE image search: Lyndon Johnson: Many images.
LIFE image search: de Gaulle: Many images.

On the other hand, LIFE or Time did NOT have and own the copyright of ANY photo of Ho Chi Minh in the period of 1945-1954 (except for some 1957 photos of Ho Chi Minh in Poland), ANY photo of General Leclerc, ANY photo of Sainteny, and ANY photo of Nguyen Ai Quoc (former name of Ho Chi Minh).

LIFE image search: Ho Chi Minh: Three images UNRELATED to the period 1945-1954 (First Indochina War), except for some 1957 photos of Ho Chi Minh in Poland; NO image owned by LIFE of Ho Chi Minh with Leclerc and Sainteny in 1946.
LIFE image search: Leclerc: NO image of General Leclerc (except for photos of the ballerina Tanaquil Leclerc)
LIFE image search: Sainteny: NO image of Sainteny.
LIFE image search: Nguyen Ai Quoc: NO image of Nguyen Ai Quoc.
LIFE image search: d'Argenlieu : NO image of d’Argenlieu (the “Bloody Monk”; see w:Draft:Nguyen Ngoc Bich).

Updated Egm4313.s12 (talk) 15:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC) ⦿ Started Egm4313.s12 (talk) 23:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LIFE/Time does NOT own copyright: Solid evidence 2[edit]

@Racconish: @Yann: @JJMC89: @DHN:

I borrowed Devillers (1952), Histoire du Viet Nam, from the library again, and noted that there was this mention regarding the photo of Ho Chi Minh, Leclerc, Sainteny (1946) on Flickr: "Ci-contre: Leclerc, Ho Chi Minh, Sainteny. Hanoi, 18 mars 1946. Photo S. C. A." This fact supports the finding of Racconish in Section #Image search method, French archives/publications that there was no credit given to a photographer.

NOTE: S. C. A. = Service Cinématographique des Armées (Motion-Picture Service of the Armed Forces), a branch of the "Service Presse Information," mentioned by Racconish, who recommended to KEEP the image c:File:1946_Ho_Chi_Minh_Leclerc_Sainteny_2.png close to a month ago on 15:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Egm4313.s12 (talk) 13:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LIFE/Time does NOT own copyright: Solid evidence 3[edit]

@Racconish: @Yann: @JJMC89: @DHN:

In the issue of LIFE, 1968 Mar 22, Vol. 64, No. 12, which is also included below the photo of Ho Chi Minh, Leclerc, Sainteny (1946) on Flickr, the image c:File:Ho Chi Minh and OSS Deer Team, Bac Bo Palace, 1945 Sep.png was published without credit.

Based on the careful search in the LIFE image archive as documented in Section "#LIFE/Time does NOT own copyright: Solid evidence 1" above, LIFE does not hold the copyright for the image c:File:Ho Chi Minh and OSS Deer Team, Bac Bo Palace, 1945 Sep.png.

In the award-winning history book by Logevall (2012) below, the image c:File:Ho Chi Minh and OSS Deer Team, Bac Bo Palace, 1945 Sep.png was published at the top of p.86 with the credit given on p.802 to a "Private collection" ! The photographer is clearly unknown.

Logevall, Fredrik (2012) Embers of War: The Fall of an Empire and the Making of America's Vietnam^[6], Random House, New York, 864 pp. Winner of the 2013 Pulitzer Prize in History: "For a distinguished and appropriately documented book on the history of the United States, Ten thousand dollars ($10,000). A balanced, deeply researched history of how, as French colonial rule faltered, a succession of American leaders moved step by step down a road toward full-blown war" • Winner of the 2013 Francis Parkman Prize from the Society of American Historians • Winner of the 2013 American Library in Paris Book Award • Winner of the Council on Foreign Relations 2013 Gold Medal Arthur Ross Book Award • Finalist for the 2013 Cundill Prize in Historical Literature.

In the book based on w:The_Vietnam_War_(TV_series) by

Geoffrey C. Ward & Ken Burns (2017), The Vietnam War: An Intimate History^[7], Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 2017.

the same image c:File:Ho Chi Minh and OSS Deer Team, Bac Bo Palace, 1945 Sep.png was published on p.15 with the credit given on p.609 to "Alex K. Thomas papers, Bentley Historical Library, University of Michigan." Major Allison (Alex) K. Thomas, commander of the w:OSS Deer Team, sat on the left of Ho Chi Minh in the image c:File:Ho Chi Minh and OSS Deer Team, Bac Bo Palace, 1945 Sep.png.

See a detailed documentation on this photo in Section "Update on misprint in EW p.86, 2024.05.04" in Notes on Vietnam History, version 2024.05.04, or for future versions, go to Notes on Vietnam History, Internet Archive.

The unknown photographer cannot be a French colonial-army personnel, who was not allowed in the Viet Minh stronghold at Tan Trao in 1945 Aug or in the Bac Bo Palace in 1945 Sep when the Ho Chi Minh Provisional Government occupied it. Thus this photographer can only be either a Viet Minh photographer, in which case the {{PD-Vietnam}} license applies, or a member of the w:OSS Deer Team, in which case the {{PD-USGov-Military-Army}} license applies.

So I used both templates {{PD-Vietnam}} and {{PD-USGov-Military-Army}} in the image c:File:Ho Chi Minh and OSS Deer Team, Bac Bo Palace, 1945 Sep.png to cover both cases.

Updated Egm4313.s12 (talk) 21:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC) ◉ Started Egm4313.s12 (talk) 10:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image search method, French archives/publications[edit]

@Racconish: Bonjour Racconish, je viens de voir votre message du "15:19, 7 April 2024" dans la page Commons:Deletion requests/File:1946 Ho Chi Minh Leclerc Sainteny 2.png, et j'aimerais vous demander de partager votre méthode de chercher des documents ou images dans les archives français ou publications françaises comme l'ouvrage "Leclerc" d'Adrien Dansette en 1952, où vous avez trouvé la photo File:1946 Ho Chi Minh Leclerc Sainteny 2.png publiée. Merci bien. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For a complete documentation, I reproduced below what Racconish wrote in the page Commons:Deletion requests/File:1946 Ho Chi Minh Leclerc Sainteny 2.png in case this page is removed (hidden) in the future. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 21:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

❝ *

Keep Despite obvious license washing at immediate source. The photo was taken by a photographer working for The French Army and published in 1952 in Adrien Dansette's Leclerc, p. 142, with credit to Service Presse Information, the French Army's photographic agency. French copyright applies here. Since there is no personal attribution it is a collective work which has now fallen in the public domain. — Racconish ^💬 15:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC) ❞[reply]

Getty Images is selling public-domain images[edit]

@Racconish: @Yann: @JJMC89: @DHN:

The images c:File:Ho_Chi_Minh_1946_and_signature.jpg and c:File:Ho_Chi_Minh_1946_and_signature_(cropped).jpg are in the public domain with the license {{PD-Vietnam}}. These images have been on the Commons since 2016.

And yet, Getty Images indicates that the credit for the image belongs to Keystone-France, and is selling it for close to 500 USD: Portrait Of Ho Chi Minh 1962: VIETNAM - JANUARY 02: A portrait of HO CHI MINH, the President of the Democratic Republic of North Vietnam, in 1962. (Photo by Keystone-France/Gamma-Keystone via Getty Images).

The difference is that the photo of the images c:File:Ho_Chi_Minh_1946_and_signature.jpg and c:File:Ho_Chi_Minh_1946_and_signature_(cropped).jpg was said to be taken in 1946, whereas Getty Images claimed that it was taken sixteen years later in 1962.

The rationale for the license {{PD-Vietnam}} given in the description of the images c:File:Ho_Chi_Minh_1946_and_signature.jpg and c:File:Ho_Chi_Minh_1946_and_signature_(cropped).jpg appears plausible.

The above discrepancy in the licensing means that private companies like Getty Images could be wrong on the licensing, and are making money on what are in the public domain.

Egm4313.s12 (talk) 19:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Error when using {{Efn}} in figure captions and galleries[edit]

@Racconish: @Yann: @JJMC89: @DHN:

w:Draft:Nguyen_Ngoc_Bich, History

I just found this coding error in Mediawiki, as described below, and appreciate if you could communicate this message, or connect me directly, to the code developers. Thank you. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 21:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Error message at the bottom of the page: Cite error: There are <ref group=lower-alpha> tags or {{Efn}} templates on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}} template or {{notelist}} template (see the help page).

Version 22:39, 19 January 2024 No error. Version 22:19, 22 January 2024 Error. Diff, 22:39, 19 January 2024 VS 22:19, 22 January 2024

Version 12:52, 20 January 2024 No error. Version 12:59, 20 January 2024 Error. Diff 12:52, 20 January 2024 VS 12:59, 20 January 2024

The error message disappeared after I commented out the code "{{efn|name=OSS-HCM}}" in the figure captions and in the galleries such as

"File:1945 Aug 16 Deer Team train Vietminh.png|OSS Dear team{{efn|name=OSS-HCM}} members training Viet Minh fighters to use US-made weapons in 1945."

to have

"File:1945 Aug 16 Deer Team train Vietminh.png|OSS Dear team members training Viet Minh fighters to use US-made weapons in 1945."

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