User talk:Drbones1950

Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Drbones1950!

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File:Albany Vietnam Veteran Memorial.jpg

File:Albany Vietnam Veteran Memorial.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:55, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

From Commons:Freedom of Panorama, explaining why sculptures and monuments may not be usable:

United States

OK for buildings only {{FoP-US}}

Buildings are works subject to copyright in the U.S. according to 17 USC 102(a)(8) since the Architectural Works Copyright Protection Act was passed in 1990. It applies to all buildings that were completed after December 1, 1990, even if begun before, or where the plans were published after that date.

However, the U.S. federal copyright law explicitly exempts "pictures, paintings, photographs, or other pictorial representations" of copyrighted buildings from the copyright of the building in 17 USC 120(a). Anyone may paint, draw, or photograph buildings from public places. This includes such interior public spaces as lobbies, auditoriums, etc. The creator holds the exclusive copyright to such an image (the architect or owner of the building has no say whatsoever), and may publish the image in any way. 17 USC 120 applies only to architectural works, not to other works of visual art, such as statues or sculptures.

This means that for buildings completed before December 1, 1990, there is complete FoP, without regard to whether the building is visible from a public place, because the building is public domain, except for the plans. For photos of such buildings, the license tag {{PD-US-architecture}} can be used (along with a license tag for the photo.) For buildings completed after December 1, 1990, freedom is given only to photograph such a building. This includes style elements such as gargoyles and pillars, which are protected only from three-dimensional reproduction (Leicester v. Warner Bros.).

Note that copyright applies only to "buildings".

"The term building means structures that are habitable by humans and intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions."

All such works are copyrighted and, therefore, covered by the FOP exemption only if they are visible from a public place.

"Bridges, cloverleafs, dams, highways or walkways are not ‘buildings’ under the definition of architectural works."

In the U.S., such works do not have a copyright and therefore may be photographed freely, whether or not from a public place. They do have copyrights in many other countries.

Originality requirement

This discussion must be considered qualified by the requirement under US law that a work, including a derivative work, must display originality to be protectable under copyright law. See Feist Publications, Inc., v. Rural Telephone Service Co. in the English Wikipedia. More specifically, in the case of derivative works, it has been held, in Durham Industries, Inc. v. Tomy Corp. and earlier in L. Batlin & Son, Inc. v. Snyder. that a derivative work must be original relative to the underlying work on which it is based. Otherwise, it cannot enjoy copyright protection and copying it will not infringe any copyright of the derivative work itself (although copying it may infringe the copyright, if any, of the underlying work on which the derivative work was based). For further discussion of this issue, see the Wikipedia article Derivative work.

For a legal discussion, see Wikilegal/Pictorial Representations Architectural Works.

Artworks and sculptures  Not OK.

For artworks, even if permanently installed in public places, the U.S. copyright law has no similar exception, and any publication of an image of a copyrighted artwork thus is subject to the approval of the copyright holder of the artwork. However, public artwork installed before 1923 is considered to be public domain, and can be photographed freely. In addition, any public artwork installed before 1978 without a copyright notice is also in the public domain (unless the copyright owner actively prevented anyone from copying or photographing the work until 1978). In these situations, document the date of installation and the creator (sculptor) of the pictured work as much as possible. (A good resource for finding information about U.S. sculptures is the Smithsonian Art Inventories Catalog.)

Applicable templates:

• For public artwork installed before 1923, use {{PD-US}} or {{PD-1923}}.
• For public artwork installed between 1923 and 1977 inclusive, use {{PD-US-no notice}} or {{PD-US-not renewed}}.

The line of argument that a large sculpture or memorial is a building and therefore covered by the FOP exemption was specifically rejected in Federal claims court (Gaylord v. The United States, 2008), which noted that the building exemption to the Architectural Works Copyright Protection Act (AWCPA) does not extend to "The Column" sculpture in the Korean War Veterans Memorial because "[t]he structures used in the definition of 'building' by the Copyright Office are intended to house individuals; either for the sake of providing shelter or for another purpose such as religious services."[15] While the court ruled in favor of the defendant under a fair use rationale it was later overturned in favor of the plaintiff; the photograph was deemed a derivative work. The court also contended that had Congress intended to extend the AWCPA to monuments and memorials, the law would have been drafted to reflect that in the first place.

For further legal discussion, see Wikilegal/Copyright of Images of Memorials in the US.

For further information, refer to Commons:Public art and copyrights in the US and the following resources:

• 17 USC 120(a)
• Towards a Functional Definition of Publication in Copyright Law
• Travel Photography and the Law
• Information from photostop.istep.com
• American Society of Media Photography on panorama freedom (archive)
• Article in www.sculpture.org on photos of sculptures

For foreign works considered under US law: use {{Not-free-US-FOP}}.

Foreign works from countries that have a relevant freedom of panorama may fall under US law for copyright issues within the US. Under the choice-of-law principle lex loci protectionis U.S. courts might apply U.S. freedom-of-panorama standards in such cases, rather than the standards of the source country. However, in practice it is unsettled whether and how this approach would be applied in real-world U.S. legal cases involving freedom-of-panorama elements.

See {{Not-free-US-FOP}} and Commons:Requests for comment/Non-US Freedom of Panorama under US copyright law.

See also category: United States FOP cases.

People in Pictures

Is there a special license to obtain before uploading pictures that I personally took of people in groups, for example a group picture of people attending a conference, or of people at a public event? Drbones1950 (talk) 02:35, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

   Not from a copyright perspective, but you should read Commons:Personality rights. —LX (talk, contribs) 15:55, 18 September 2016 (UTC) 

Drbones1950 (talk) 16:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate Images

I would like to request deletion of this image because there is an exact duplicate image (except better resolution) existing in the same category (Episcopal Church (USA)). Is this something that would qualify for "speedy deletion"? In future, is this the way to request removal of an image or is there a better way? Thanks, Drbones1950 (talk) 15:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

   You can mark the page of the small file with (below image is created by (shift up bracket -dupe- shift up bracket) {{Dupe}}. The other image, File:Barkley Thompson Lenten Lecture Series 2014.jpg, seems to be the smaller one, so I marked that one. BMacZero (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC) 

Drbones1950 (talk) 18:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Working with uncategorized

The simple trick is to use the new search to combine the category for uncategorized images with your interests.  It is also possible to use Cat-a-lot on the result set.  --Herzi Pinki (talk) 10:04, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

    Here is the sample search: Austria OR Österreich  incategory:All_media_needing_categories_as_of_2014

Drbones1950 (talk) 02:50, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

HELP pages

CATEGORY: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories (cat organization rules)

CATEGORY: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CategoryTree (can generate a tree of categories, or categories and articles}

CATEGORY: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree (describes <categorytree> tags that can be added to articles so that a category for that article can be viewed as a dynamic tree on that page.)

CATEGORY: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories How categories work. See section on Create a New Category

CATEGORY: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion To propose elimination rename, or move of a category, or to ask for discussion of changes to a category

FAQ: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:FAQ (frequently asked questions)

HELP TOPICS: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Editor%27s_index_to_Commons Index to all topics

IMAGES NEEDED: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_requests Wikipedia articles needing images https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Public_domain_image_resources public sources to check https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ identifies locations that need images, near me

PAGES: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page (starting a new page)

SCOPE OF WORK: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope The goal and limits of WikiCommons

TALK PAGE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Talk_pages (How to post on the talk or help pages in Wikimedia

TEMPLATES: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Templates (Includes templates for redirect and book formats

TEXT EDITING: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Editor%27s_index_to_Commons see "Markup" for text editing tips

Drbones1950 (talk) 02:53, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Book sources

Commons:Book sources

This page links to catalogs of libraries, booksellers, and other book sources where you will be able to search for the book with ISBN MAGICNUMBER. If you arrived at this page by clicking an ISBN number link in a Wikipedia page, then the links below (those labeled "find this book") search for the specific book using that ISBN number. Enter another ISBN number in the ISBN search form to change the search links below. Spaces and dashes in the ISBN number do not matter. Note: The number starts after the colon for "ISBN-10:" and "ISBN-13:" numbers.

   Find this book at WorldCat free online catalog of the world's libraries
   Find this book at Google Book Search online database
   Find this book at Internet Book Database online database
   Find this book at Internet Book List (IBList) online database
   Find this book at LibraryThing personal library catalog
   Find this book at OttoBib.com citation metasearch
   Find this book at Copyright Clearance Center online rights database

Drbones1950 (talk) 20:16, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Category: Redirect

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Redirect

Creating: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Redirect#Creating_a_redirect :

If you are creating a new redirect, start a new page, write #REDIRECT -bracket bracket-page name-bracket bracket, (or #redirect -bracket bracket-page name-bracket bracket) at the beginning of the page, where page name is the name of the target page (rendered as Category:(target page name). Here is an example. If you are replacing an existing page with a redirect, for example after merging a duplicate page, go to the page, edit it, and replace the existing text with #REDIRECT -bracket bracket-Category:page name-bracket bracket.

Starting a new page from a search: Another way to start a new page works on many wikis (e.g. the English Wikipedia).

Type the name of the page that doesn't exist in the Search box, and start the search. The search results will say that no such page exists, but on many wikis it will also include a new page link to the page.

Depending on the wiki, the link may say something like:

   Create the page "New page name" on this wiki!
   You searched for new page name
   There is no page titled "new page name". You can create this page.

THEN,

To create a tag that refers the searcher to the right category name, include:

(squiggle, squiggle) Category redirect|ABC (squiggle, squiggle)

Which yields: "This category is located at Category:ABCNote: This category should be empty. Any content should be recategorised. This tag should be used on existing categories that are likely to be used by others, even though the "real" category is elsewhere. Redirected categories should be empty and not categorised themselves. It should not be used on categories that are misspellings and thus unlikely to be used by other people."

Category: Sorting

A category about a person would not be the right sort string. Insert just before the categories a line like (squiggle squiggle)DEFAULTSORT:Lastname, firstname (squiggle squiggle) for the correct sorting. See meta:Categories#Sort key for more information.

Hi Auntof6, I read the topic "Seeking info about sorting of "main categories" in Village Pump and your reply. You mentioned sorting keys. I would like to know more about that topic, so thought to write to you directly.

   @Drbones1950: I recently looked for this info, too, and didn't find much. Commons:Categories#Creating a new category says this:

       A question mark is sometimes used to begin the sort key for categories related to unidentified things. For an example, see Category:Buildings in Argentina, where Category:Unidentified buildings in Argentina‎ is sorted under a question mark.
       An asterisk is sometimes used to group some subcategories. This seems to be done in some cases in lieu of creating a metacategory. An example of this is in Category:National Register of Historic Places, where some categories are grouped under asterisk. Some of those subcategories would fit in a metacategory for NRHP properties by type if there were such a category.
       An asterisk is also sometimes used to set apart subcategories that are related but may not really fit under the main category. An example of this is in Category:Metropolitan areas in the United States, where Category:Boroughs in the United States‎ is sorted under asterisk.
       Metacategories are usually given special sort keys. There is disagreement as to what character that is. I have most often seen a space used for that, and the templates that define metacategories use a space. However, I have recently been discussing this with another editor who uses a period.
       I have also seen other characters used, but I'm not sure there's any rule about them. I've seen plus signs, tildes (sometimes for templates and template categories), bullets, and others. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:48, 13 October 2016 (UTC)  

Drbones1950 (talk) 23:46, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Category: Empty, removing

For empty categories, can add the speedy deletion code: (squiggle, squiggle) speedy|empty (squiggle, squiggle) But, do not use this with renaming of populated categories, then use the SD/G7 code --Ruslik (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

or, if want to ask renaming of category without moving a lot of subcats, see: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands#Category_moves

Drbones1950 (talk) 22:58, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Coding Tips

three single quotes- foo -three single quotes, will make foo bold

(To create a link in a post to a specific category), type double bracket- :Category:Foo -double bracket

Drbones1950 (talk) 19:38, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

--speedy deletion: {{speedy|empty}}

--to put a code in a post without making it a link: put "<-nowiki>" in Efront and end

--Category descriptive caption, for example "English: Media relating to the Old Post Office on Broadway in Albany, New York", where Old Post Office and Albany, New York link to respective Wikipedia articles: Code: (shift/bracket)en|Media relating to the (shift/bracket, shift/bracket) w|Old Post Office (Albany, New York)|Old Post Office (shift/bracket, shift/bracket)on Broadway in (shift/bracket, shift/bracket)w|Albany, New York (four shift/brackets to close).

--Standard wording and code to link cat (without description) or image to Wikipedia:

"Link to Wikipedia article: (shift/bracket) (shift/bracket) w| Southworth & Hawes (shift/bracket) (shift/bracket)" --replacing Southwork & Hawes with the name of the Wikipedia article referenced here

--Sample wording for category description linking to Wikipedia article:

(shift/bracket) (shift/bracket) en| (shift/bracket) (shift/bracket) w| Edwin Davis French (shift/bracket) (shift/bracket) -continue description- (shift/bracket) (shift/bracket) --replacing Edwin Davis French with the Wikipedia article referenced here

TEMPLATES:

States: (squiggle, squiggle) Us states (squiggle, squiggle) in first line of code gives list of states

(squiggle, squiggle) Us states|prefix=:Category:FOO in|suffix= (squiggle, squiggle) in first line of code gives list of states that is clickable to get to the subcat for each state of the applicable cat (replace name of cat for FOO).

Cat Sorting

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Former_churches_in_Connecticut&curid=19348765&diff=210346772&oldid=204085233 : not sure what you meant to do, but what you did was a bit odd. The effect is to sort it in Category:Churches in Connecticut exactly where it would be if there were no explicit sort at all. Previously, it appeared in front of other category members, which is normally what we do for "former", "unidentified" etc. - Jmabel ! talk 00:06, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at the category now. It is organized as I intended. It seems to me that categories of "by faith," "by style," "by material"... should appear befor other categories by alphabet. If this is not right, let me know.Drbones1950 (talk) 02:04, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

If that's your intent, you did just the opposite at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Former_churches_in_South_Carolina&diff=210965530&oldid=204339807. Your edit effectively removes the cat sort (basically it says "Sort this under 'f' but ignore 'ormer churches in South Carolina', which only moves it ahead of other 'F' entries). The previous sort that you removed made a lot more sense, if you ask me. - Jmabel ! talk 23:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

I came here to point out something similar: it doesn't really make sense to change the "Postcards of churches in xxx" categories to sort under "p" (as you did here), since they're another grouping similar to "former" etc. rather than a specific church or locale... at least, I believe that's the consensus. --Junkyardsparkle (talk) 22:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, guys. Jmabel, you are right, in category:Churches in South Carolina I made a mistake. I have now corrected it, take a look. A better state category that shows my intentions for sorting would be category:Churches in New York. That shows a section for "Churches by..." followed by "Former Churches", then alphabetical subcats.

As for Postcards, I do not believe that it is "another grouping similar to 'former' etc." for the following reason: the other subcats describe the subject of the main category, Churches, in some way. Postcards describes the medium in which the church is presented. So Postcards is actually dissimilar to all of the other subcats. But, given that fact, it could be argued that Postcards belongs in a separate section from all of the others! Now, Postcards could be a subcat of (new category) "Churches by medium". But that would be an example of overcategorization, I think. Or, it could be alone after "*Former Churches", set off by its own separator. Let me know your thoughts. Drbones1950 (talk) 14:47, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Uploading a whole book

I have located a digitized book online that is copyright expired, and the only request of the webmaster of the site in which it appears is that credit be given to the site as the provider of the material. Given that, how do I upload a whole book? Can I use the Upload Wizard? Drbones1950 (talk) 17:59, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

   What format is it in? - Jmabel ! talk 19:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
   Books can be uploaded in PDF or DjVu format (see COM:FT#Texual formats and Help:Creating a DjVu file). The Upload Wizard can handle these file types. You can also upload the book in certain formats (like an archive of page scan images) to the Internet Archive, which will convert it to DjVu, which can then be transferred here to Commons (see wikisource:Help:Internet Archive). clpo13(talk) 23:41, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Permissions to Use

An amateur photographer friend has given me some digital images with permission to upload and categorize. What is the best way to indicate release and attribution? Drbones1950 (talk) 18:24, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

   Your friend needs to send an email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. Please have him/her have a look at the category Commons:OTRS on what to include. Cheers! --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 18:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
   Your friend's email per COM:OTRS can authorize you to upload on their behalf (rather than listing specific images), but probably should also contain an explicit statement of what license they intend for their images. Once that email is sent, when you upload images, give that photographer's name (or however they wish to be attributed) as the author, and mark any such uploads with {{OTRS pending}} until such time as you have a specific OTRS number to mark them with. - Jmabel ! talk 23:25, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
  

• See also Commons:Email templates, scroll down to bottom of page for link to: Wikipedia:Example requests for permission, which gives examples of how to send request for specific images. For choice of licenses, see Commons:Choosing a license. Link to the wording of the license suggested by Wikimedia: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en. FAQ for Wikipedia users: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright.

Episcopalian bishops

Believe this category should be deleted, as only contains "Bishops of the Episcopal Church (United States)" as a subcategory. Bishops of the Episcopal Church are not referred to as "Episcopalian bishops". If "Episcopalian bishops" is a common search phrase, then it should be a redirect, with "Bishops of the Episcopal Church (United States)" as the target category.. Drbones1950 (talk) 18:33, 7 October 2016 (UTC) Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment The episcopal church is strong in Scotland, and has seven bishops, of which we have images of at least three. This suggests a category "Bishops of the Episcopal Church in Scotland" ("in Scotland" to avoid confusion with the Church of Scotland). Hence I'd suggest this category is renamed to Bishops of the Episcopal Church and the addition of the category for Scotland. "Bishops of the Episcopal Church (United States)" should be renamed to "Bishops of the Episcopal Church in the United States", since brackets in disambiguation mean "is a" rather than "is in". Rodhullandemu (talk) 18:55, 7 October 2016 (UTC) Well put, I would agree to that suggestion. How is this renaming accomplished? Drbones1950 (talk) 14:18, 11 October 2016 (UTC) It's a simple case of moving all the images to the new category, then creating it by moving the existing category, in this case I'd suggest without creating a redirect, to avoid further confusion. Rodhullandemu (talk) 17:10, 11 October 2016 (UTC) All of the Scottish categories use the term Scottish Episcopal Church, so maybe Category:Bishops of the Scottish Episcopal Church would fit better. --Achim (talk) 20:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC) No problem with that but I think any naming should be consistent across nations. Rodhullandemu (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Category: Change Requests

For simple category rename requests, one can put the (squiggle, squiggle) Move|New name|Reason|2016-12-30 (squiggle, squiggle) template in the source category. These can be discussed on the categories talk page or Category talk:Requested moves. For non-controversial requests (e.g. inappropriate/ incorrect use of capital letters, plural forms of nouns, obvious misspellings, etc.) you may file a request at User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands. Deletion requests for categories are also found in Category:Non-media deletion requests. These should be listed here as well. Drbones1950 (talk) 16:25, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Category: Discussion

in search box, type "Commons:Categories for discussion" Drbones1950 (talk) 16:35, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Anglicanism

For wikimedia category: Wikipedia:WikiProject Anglicanism

Grace Cathedral

Suggest that the category be renamed "Grace Cathedral (Episcopal), San Francisco" for disambiguation Drbones1950 (talk) 21:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC) I agree with qualifying the name, but I think just adding the city would be enough (unless there's another one in San Francisco). Then this page could become a dab page. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:59, 20 December 2016 (UTC) I agree with Auntof6. There's no need to include Episcopal here unless it's part of the church's name. - Themightyquill (talk) 16:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)Drbones1950 (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Link to foreign language wiki

How can I link from a Wikimedia file to a foreign Wikipedia article? I am thinking of File:Adolph Chlumksy, who has a cs.wikipedia.org about him. It wouldn't be {w|Aldolph Chlumsky}, so what would it be? Thanks, Drbones1950 (talk) 16:15, 17 January 2017 (UTC) (sent to Help Desk 1/17/17)Drbones1950 (talk) 16:15, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Proposals

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire

Category:Episcopalian altars

Why did you empty out Category:Episcopalian altars and then nominate it for deletion? - Jmabel ! talk 05:54, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Here is my reasoning: first, from a previous conversation about categorizing Episcopal subjects, it was agreed that Episcopalian should only be used to describe members of the Episcopal Church. It is not a general adjective, for example, there is not an Episcopalian Church, it is The Episcopal Church. Altars in Episcopal churches might be titled Episcopal Altars, but then there could be confusion with Roman Catholic altars because there are Episcopal Cathedrals in the Roman Catholic Church. It also occurred to me that elsewhere all Episcopal subjects are rightly included in the higher Anglican categories. So if there is an Episcopal altars category, then it should be part of Anglican altars, and Anglican altars by country, then Episcopal altars under United States (and possibly Scotland, because the Anglican Church is Scotland is the Scottish Episcopal Church).

Now, I should have created an Anglican altars category first, then moved the items from "Episcopalian altars" into it. Instead I moved those items back into the general Altars category. That was my bad. Your comment is appropriate, and what I would like to do now is to create "Anglican altars" with "Episcopal Church altars" as a subcategory.

Also, I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes. I thought that what I did by moving the items and requesting a deletion of the category was the correct way to do it. Let me know if it should have been done differently. Drbones1950 (talk) 14:47, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I think your own comments above make it clear what would have worked better: if you had created the new Category:Anglican altars first, and moved things into it, it could have been done trivially with any of a number of tools (Cat-a-lot, VFC, movecat in Commons delinker, etc.). As it is, the information is basically lost as to what was previously in Category:Episcopalian altars. I suppose it can be worked out from your edit history, but that makes this all much harder than it needed to be. - Jmabel ! talk 21:16, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

(later) Hi, Jmabel, I reponded to your post on my talk page, don't know if you saw it. I also wanted to let you know that I intend to make another change to the category Anglican Bishops. I see that there are separate sub-cats for various provinces of the Anglican Communion, including Bishops of the Episcopal Church, Bishops of the Church of Ireland, Bishops of the Church of Uganda, etc. etc., BUT, there is not a sub-cat Bishops of the Church of England. I intend to create that category, and populate it with the various diocesan bishop subcats. Then, I want to move the subcat "suffragan bishops in England" (which is the only entry in the cat Anglican bishops by diocese in England) into the newly created cat and delete its old parent, Anglican bishops by diocese in England, which would then be empty (and which is titled ambiguously anyway, since it never contained all of the Anglican bishops in England). The reason for this is that "suffragan bishops" should be a subcat of "Bishops". Hope that makes sense, let me know if otherwise. Drbones1950 (talk) 19:47, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

• I'm fine with that. Similar comments to the above apply to how best to do this. - Jmabel ! talk 21:16, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
• I assume that by "category Anglican Bishops" you mean "Category:Anglican bishops". - Jmabel ! talk 21:18, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, and fine with all of the above. Drbones1950 (talk)

Almost a week later, I still don't see a Category:Anglican altars. How is anyone (you included) supposed to remember what files need to be placed there? - Jmabel ! talk 01:20, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Not a problem, I will populate "Anglican altars" when I get back to Wikimedia tomorrow. Drbones1950 (talk) 02:37, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

A similar issue

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Crista_Ministries&curid=8547770&diff=234749014&oldid=65715457 removes all association with Protestantism. Crista Ministries, while non-denominational, is certainly Protestant, not simply Christian. A change of category like this loses information. - Jmabel ! talk 01:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I can't agree. I moved Crista Ministries to Christian Organizations because I believe that it is adequate categorization for Crista Ministries. I don't believe that this organization is on the same level of categorization as the other subcategories of Protestantism, which are themselves nationwide or international denominations. Crista Ministries is not a denomination, simply an organization. If you feel that Christian Organizations belongs under the higher level category Protestantism, I would see the logic. But I don't believe that Crista Ministries itself belongs as a direct subcategory of Protestantism. Drbones1950 (talk) 02:37, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

So refine the category to something more precise (including creating something). But don't throw information away.

I take literally hundreds of images a year that are put directly into Category:Seattle and get them into more precise categories instead. But unless they are simply not images of Seattle, I put them in some subcat. - Jmabel ! talk 04:37, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Diocese of Guildford

Category:Bishops of Guildford[edit source] Suggest rename to Bishops of the Diocese of Guildford, as all other subcategories under Anglican Bishops include "the Diocese of..." Drbones1950 (talk) 20:26, 14 February 2017 (UTC) Symbol support vote.svg Support I've just added the category to Category:Diocese of Guildford. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:10, 16 February 2017 (UTC)Drbones1950 (talk) 14:36, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Topic: Protestant

In terms of number of adherents, nontrinitarian denominations comprise a small minority of modern Christianity. By far the three largest nontrinitarian Christian denominations are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ("Mormons"), Jehovah's Witnesses and the Iglesia Ni Cristo, though there are a number of other smaller ones, including the Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, Dawn Bible Students, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God International and the United Church of God.[6] (from Nontrinitarian, in Drbones1950 (talk) 18:48, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikimedia Image Requests

For subjects that Wikipedia editors have asked for images, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_images_of_religious_leaders Drbones1950 (talk) 16:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Look again...

at the category redirects you just nominated, paying closer attention to where the hyphens fall and whether "saint" is spelled out or abbeviated. These are not the same as each other or as the actual category - they couldn't be created if they were the same. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:58, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Careful

"DEFAULTSORT" must be all-caps or it won't work. DS (talk) 17:49, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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